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Official Game 12 thread. Patriots vs Dolphins

Posted: 12/2/2009 8:52 AM

Official Game 12 thread. Patriots vs Dolphins 


The same drill different team. Same question will the Patriots win a road game or will they lose and the division lead shrink to one game? Will Joey Porter the NFL's resident chicken head start squawking again or will a classy guy liek Jason Taylor tell him to shut the hell up this week and not say something he cannot back up with his play? All comments, questions etc belong in this the official thread between

 

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Posted: 12/2/2009 10:57 AM

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Division game - it goes without saying VERY important, moreso that the Saints game by far. One game out of 16, but we need this one. Let's not play "not to loose" - 'cause for the Fins aren't about to. With Parcells pulling the strings in the background, - they're going "balls to the wall" in this game.

Posted: 12/2/2009 11:16 AM

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I'm not getting too wound about the Saints game.  The Saints whooped their butts to be sure...the Saints executed to perfection and the Pats self destructed.  

 

I don't think the Phins can execute anywhere close to the Saints, and I think most days the Pats would have executed better than Monday -  Even againts the Saints again.

 

I'm looking for the Pats to come out loaded for Bear 48-10 Pats.

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Posted: 12/2/2009 12:39 PM

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this team does not lose back-to-backs.

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Posted: 12/2/2009 1:29 PM

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Unfiortunately eb, there's a first time for everything, - and it's been so long that the "law of averages" might just pop its' ugly head up. - This year, the Pats have PROVEN they can't put anyone away for sure. The offense has stalled in the second half, and the defense, while much better than earlier - still needs another year to have "shut-down" capabilities.

Last edited 12/2/2009 1:34 PM by Hunter07

Posted: 12/2/2009 1:40 PM

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Maybe the "law of averages" goes the direction of the Pats performing well the whole game?

Posted: 12/2/2009 2:03 PM

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Geez, - let's hope so, ... what a great "surprise" that would be.

Posted: 12/2/2009 2:06 PM

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The Pats also used to win road games.

Posted: 12/2/2009 2:40 PM

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There's no doubt in my mind the Pats win this game.

Posted: 12/2/2009 3:47 PM

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chrism wrote: There's no doubt in my mind the Pats win this game.


Too much is being put into the Patriots being 0-4 in road games this year.  Look who they have played on the road:

 

11-0 Indianapolis

11-0 New Orleans

Denver

Jets

 

Two undefeated teams, a place where they historically struggle (Denver), and a rivalry game.  And, other than the Saints game, all those games were winable.

 

Its not like they have been losing to a bunch of chumps on the road.

 

The Patriots also tend to have trouble in Miami......

Posted: 12/2/2009 4:22 PM

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A win means the Pats pick out the Dolphins coffin for them.

 

A loss means the Pats may very well be picking out their own.  The Pats would then need to sweep the rest of the season to leave no doubt, since if the Dolphins do and the Pats do not (1 or more loss) the season would come down to tie breakers again.

 

The Dolphins and Patriots play similar teams in the final 4 games.  The Pats do have a fairly good record against teams they play 2 or more times in a season (division and post season).

 

Keys to the game Patriots:

1)  Fix whatever is wrong with the O-line (hopefully Vollmer is ready after the job he did against the Dolphins last time)

2)  Do not abandon the run

3)  Do not fall for the "tricks"

 

Keys to the game Dolphins

1)  Pull out every trick you have

2)  Get a pass rush

3)  The Patriots are vulnerable to the big play, find it and hit it.

 

Unfortunately for the Dolphins, like the Jets, I think the Patriots being embarassed by the Saints will mean they will come out  with all guns blazing.

Posted: 12/2/2009 6:01 PM

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I think the players will play better this week. I just don't know if they can overcome poor game preparation and playcalling with pure talent.

Posted: 12/2/2009 8:25 PM

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I think they will play a LOT better this week. They were embarassed monday night!!!

Posted: 12/2/2009 11:12 PM

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But if the offense is the same Moss and Welker and that's it, the Phins will just sit on routes and blitz Brady on every play.

 

If the DC doesn't conglomerate his excrement, they'll make what-his-face (Penny's replacement) look like the second coming of Joe Montana.

 

It's clear that this team has the talent, but that talent can't overcome being outcoached. Which is how the Pats used to win - by being better coached and better prepared and better motivated and just plain mentally tougher than the other guys.

Posted: 12/3/2009 5:02 AM

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stealthdog666 wrote:

 

chrism wrote: There's no doubt in my mind the Pats win this game.


Too much is being put into the Patriots being 0-4 in road games this year.  Look who they have played on the road:

 

11-0 Indianapolis

11-0 New Orleans

Denver

Jets

 

Two undefeated teams, a place where they historically struggle (Denver), and a rivalry game.  And, other than the Saints game, all those games were winable.

 

Its not like they have been losing to a bunch of chumps on the road.

 

The Patriots also tend to have trouble in Miami......


5 -  0  @ Denver L

2 -  0  @ Jets      L 

 

All road losses which, means what? You got it.  "Can't win on the road." And the reason they can't win on the road is two fold. One, they lack the talent and two, when TB has an off day. Guys and Gals, look for Parcells to extend the misery this Sunday and really, I mean really enjoy it.

Heck, I expect to see Mercury Morris and his band of 'has-beens at the game and, some camera will pan in on them.

So never, ever, ever accept a tongue lashing from another fan for throwing 50 points down on an opponent or, pulling your money-men during a massacre like last MNF.  Somebody please, tell Jackie MacMillian to learn the game or keep her big yap shut.

Posted: 12/3/2009 9:15 AM

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Hey fellas, it's not like the Dolphins are coming off of a good performance themselves!!

 

My word, we got beat by one of the best teams in football, and who in the hell beat MIami??

 

For what it's statistically worth (not much, in my opinion), all four of our road losses have come at the hands of then undefeated teams!                    

 

We now are playing for some type of homefield in the playoffs, and we're coming off an embarassing win. Folks, if BB can't get the boys to play this week, then this whole org. is in big trouble!!!!!!!!!!!

 

There is no way that we lose this week!!

 

If BB doesn't see his err in not getting REAL coordinators and doesn't get involved with both sides of the ball this week, then he's not who we think he is!!!!

 

It's week to week from here to the end, so let's see what this team really is all about, and just as importantly, let's see which guys start leading this team by making some BIG plays on the field!!

Posted: 12/3/2009 3:21 PM

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Lets see if the coordinators can get over their extended bouts of rectal-cranial-inversion as well.

Posted: 12/3/2009 7:44 PM

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"rectal-cranial-inversion"  Very Niiiccceee.  Dok, YOur the best.

 

On another note.   We did lose a handfull of leaders. The Bru, Vrable, Wrecking Crew Rodney.  These guys were leaders.  Its time for some others to step up and fill that role.  Notice I dident include Seymore.  Sure he was good but I never felt like he inspired.  He played well and began crying at contract time.  The latter dosent inspire.

 

Maybe they need to put Junior out there when things start falling apart.  The size of the guys arms are enough to inspire.

 

The Pats will have to keep hammering away against the Fishes.  They play us tough.  Also, I think they have to play Maroney Baroney more often than every other or even every double set of plays. He seems to gain momentum with succesive carries.

Posted: 12/3/2009 9:57 PM

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hd, that's why I don't get the rb by committee philosophy!!!

 

Guys need the carries to get the feel. That's not to say that LM is our guy!!!

Posted: 12/3/2009 10:59 PM

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Maroney definitely seems to thrive on more carries. It may be that the "answer" is a different guy is the featured back each week (or at least each half), to keep 'em all healthy and rested overall. But alas, they seem to be of the model of spreading the carries around evenly in each game, so no one really develops a rhythm.

Posted: 12/4/2009 7:09 AM

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dokgonzo wrote:

Maroney definitely seems to thrive on more carries. It may be that the "answer" is a different guy is the featured back each week (or at least each half), to keep 'em all healthy and rested overall. But alas, they seem to be of the model of spreading the carries around evenly in each game, so no one really develops a rhythm.


Any decent RB thrives on the number of carries he gets on game day. NE hedges it's RB position by signing a ton of them however, they continue to fail to spend the bucks to find and sign one good one.

I know I am starting to sound like a broken record, skipping over and over and well, you get my point. LM did have a decent "partial" game v. NO but in my eyes, he never has been a prototypical high level Pro RB. Did he leave his load @ MN?  Total disrespect for a teams run game is 3 DL rush and 8 men back. Hey, your guy "Mul-Rooney" isn't going to beat us.

Posted: 12/4/2009 10:23 AM

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The problem I see is two fold. One is that they dillute the RB's by not featuring any one for enough plays to let them get rolling. The other is that we have all these finesse type backs (except Faulk, who's an exception to pretty much all the rules) - they need a Dillon-type guy who defenses simply have to respect.

 

Make that 3-fold - the o-line is built for pass protection, not run blocking. Things got better with Vollmer, he was winning his battles and was agile enough to get it done.

 

Look at those SB teams - Antoinne Smith and Corey Dillon controlling the 4th quarter - or plowing over guys early in the game to wear the defense down.

 

Maroney/Morris/Taylor are fine for what they are - but they need more meat back there. So to speak.

Posted: 12/4/2009 1:47 PM

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Fred Taylor is back at practice today.

 

And, so far, Joey "No Sack" Porter has been (blissfully) silent.

Posted: 12/4/2009 8:21 PM

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If pass defense is a problem again this week, then the Patriots have a serious problem on their hands. Four wide receivers have caught passes for the Dolphins this season, and this is where you can find them on the NFL rankings for total receiving yards:

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54. Davone Bess: 431 yards, 1 catch of 25+ yards, 0 TD

75. Greg Camarillo: 281, 0, 0

77. Brian Hartline: 270, 2, 2

78. Ted Ginn: 268, 1, 1

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Fifty-three wide receivers – again, that’s only wide receivers and does not include tight ends and backs – have more yards than Miami’s best. Their receivers have four catches of more than 25 yards and three touchdowns. That’s an alright game for the Saints.

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And then there is Moss. He leads the NFL with 992 receiving yards and is tied for fourth with eight receiving touchdowns. He has had a great year, but also a strange year. Some weeks, he has been the best play on the field. Other weeks, he has blended in or disappeared. That’s what happened the last two weeks – against the Jets and Saints combined, Moss has eight catches for 101 yards and a touchdown.

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Against the Dolphins in Week 9, though, Moss had one of his best games of the season. The Dolphins chose to cover him with minimal safety, leaving rookie cornerback Vontae Davis on him. Moss responded with six catches for 147 yards, including the 71-yard touchdown that still stands as the longest play of the Patriots season.

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One would think the Dolphins will change their coverage, especially after the Saints showed how a defense can contain both Moss and Welker. But then, Moss crushed the Dolphins in Miami last year when they played him largely one-on-one, catching eight passes from Matt Cassell for 125 yards and three touchdowns. And they didn’t change much for the first meeting this year.

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This week may be a perfect chance for Moss – and the Patriots secondary – to regroup after last week’s dreadful performance.

Posted: 12/4/2009 8:44 PM

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I think Moss in the Jets game was planned ... they expected Rex to take away Moss and since Rex never saw Welker in the first game, he went on a rampage in the 2nd.

 

I hope BB puts Edelman out there - him and Welker on the field together forces teams to cover the short routes tighter due to their amazing YAC. This could free up Moss. (And I still don't understand not using Edelman or Stanback against the Saints.) Aiken has been a nice surprise, but I'd like to see Stanback be given another shot - he seems to have real good hands.

 

Maroney has to continue to play well - I doubt Taylor will play. Hopefully Vollmer is back. Even more hopefully Maroney plants Joey like he did Rhodes a week ago.

 

I'm less worried about the secondary than I am about the front 7. If they don't get pressure it'll be a bad day. You just can't leave an NFL QB back there all day unmolested. Maybe BB needs to shift to a 5-2 defense since Adalius is barely there anyway.

Posted: 12/5/2009 8:57 AM

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I would think that we should be able to put in some blitz packages this week, considering how weak Miami is at WR!!!  Oh, that's right, we don't have a DC that blitzes!!!!

Posted: 12/5/2009 9:29 AM

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I would like them to scrap the 3-4 and go back to a base 4-3. I think it would help via the run and could put more pressure on the QB as well. We just dont have the talent to run the 3-4 anymore.

Posted: 12/5/2009 10:43 AM

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4-3 makes sense. We have better safeties now and apparently only 2 dependable LB's (Mayo & Guyton).

Posted: 12/5/2009 6:18 PM

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dokgonzo wrote:

4-3 makes sense. We have better safeties now and apparently only 2 dependable LB's (Mayo & Guyton).


" apparently only 2 dependable LB's " ...........................

 

Well fans, THAT says it ALL !  But how many F'n RB's does NE carry? I am used to the fact that it is broken now and in need of repairs. (The team that is) Galloway signed for $ 1.8 Million and got laughed out of town. They turned their backs to LJ, without even giving him a look.

Hummmmmmmmmmm???????

So a win tomorrow and they sew up the AFC-East. BFD !!! A decent organization would not even celebrate it, waiting for the big prize.

Kudos to the fan who said their drafts have really been questionable. Promote the genius who let Mike Vrabel go and participated in the Seymour trade a year early. And yes, I know they got a #1 for him .

All this and you know Bruschi, Harrison and others are gone. New England has always "preached" knowing the play book, rite?  So they go and change the defense to a 4 - 3 on the premise that there are no decent NE type players out there and available and affordable. 

Time to change the dynamics of the organization as well as the way they conduct football operations.

Posted: 12/5/2009 8:15 PM

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dokgonzo wrote:

Lets see if the coordinators can get over their extended bouts of rectal-cranial-inversion as well.


Well....maybe the Patriots will win anyway.

 

downgraded to OUT for the Patriots tomorrow:

Edleman

Taylor

Springs (SMH)

Lockett

Vollmer

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