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Official Game 9 thread. Colts vs Patriots

Posted: 11/9/2009 12:11 PM

Official Game 9 thread. Colts vs Patriots 


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Last edited 11/15/2009 7:02 PM by JSinCT

Posted: 11/9/2009 1:07 PM

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The Colts defense has been racked with injuries. The offense has Manning, Wayne, Addai and Clark. I'm guessing the A/C and audio issues have been resolved in Lucas Oil Stadium from the RCA (Victor) Dome ;).  We have two big rivals and can take nothing for granted.  Should be playoff atmosphere...Still I'll take the Pats 28-20. Payback is ripe

Posted: 11/9/2009 1:13 PM

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The D as mentioned in another thread still has to step up and the offense execute. I bet Indy will still have the advantage of the calls like they normally do.  I can see a couple of pahntom PI calls on the Patriots. Ball control by the Patriots while scoring TD's in the redzone is what I want to see.

Posted: 11/9/2009 2:10 PM

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The Pats D and Maroney/BJGE need to play big. The quick strike is fine, but Manning can match it. Keep him on the sidelines.

Posted: 11/9/2009 2:20 PM

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Exactly Dok, - the last thing we need is a shoot-out, - last one standing type of thing. Dink 'n dunk, runs - ball & clock control, and making sure Manning has the best seat in the stadium.

Posted: 11/9/2009 2:26 PM

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Morpheus11 wrote:

The D as mentioned in another thread still has to step up and the offense execute. I bet Indy will still have the advantage of the calls like they normally do.  I can see a couple of pahntom PI calls on the Patriots. Ball control by the Patriots while scoring TD's in the redzone is what I want to see.

Saw this in the Box Score between Indy & Houston:

 

Houston Penalties 13 for 103 Yards   -   Indy 4 for 40 Yards

 

First Downs Via Penalty:  Houston 1  -  Indy 6

 

Looks like the refs are getting warmed up.  Instead of our treck down to So. FLA this year for the annual Phins/Pat's game were headed to Indy for this weeks game.  Nose bleed seats but I will give a full report regarding the amped up PA system when the Pat's have the ball.  Anxious to see where all these hayseed fans park their John Deere's for the game.

Posted: 11/9/2009 2:29 PM

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The Pats D is considerably faster than the last time Manning saw it - Butler, McGowan, Chung, Guyton - they all need to be in Rodney Mode.

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Posted: 11/9/2009 3:08 PM

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FLAPatsFan wrote:Anxious to see where all these hayseed fans park their John Deere's for the game.

 

i thought they all took the shuttle from bob evans noidea.

 

 

 

 

 

Posted: 11/9/2009 3:56 PM

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This could be a good game.  The Pats used to own this game by hitting the Colts in the face...the Colts were too finesse styled to fight back.  Pats defense is capable of that.  Pats offense is no longer smash mouth.

 

Keys for Pats:

 

1) Run the Ball - Colts are missing Bob Sanders, when he is in teams average 20 yards less per game.

2) Pass rush - If Peyton has time to throw the Colts will win

3) Score Td's in the red zone - The Colts will if the Pats don't match them it's game over

 

Keys for the Colts:

1) Do not let the Pats get a lead

2) Pass rush - Tom Brady + Time  vs. Weak rookies in the secondary = Win for Pats

3) Pick your poison - Moss or Welker double one and hope the other doesn't kill you

Posted: 11/9/2009 4:26 PM

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FLAPatsFan wrote:

 

Saw this in the Box Score between Indy & Houston:

 

Houston Penalties 13 for 103 Yards   -   Indy 4 for 40 Yards

 

First Downs Via Penalty:  Houston 1  -  Indy 6

 

Looks like the refs are getting warmed up.  Instead of our treck down to So. FLA this year for the annual Phins/Pat's game were headed to Indy for this weeks game.  Nose bleed seats but I will give a full report regarding the amped up PA system when the Pat's have the ball.  Anxious to see where all these hayseed fans park their John Deere's for the game.

Nothing like making assumptions based on the box score.  The Patriots broke the record last year for least number of penalties in a season with 57 if you're looking for penalty stats.

 

Why start making excuses a week before the game?  This rivalry is too good for that.  Way too many Pats and Colts fans love to use the refs as an excuse.

 

And it's John Deeres, no apostrophe needed.  You will probably need to drive a few miles outside of Indy to see any of those.  There isn't too much farming in downtown Indy and it would take way too long to drive one of those from outside the city.

 

Good luck, and let's hope for no injuries whoever wins.

Posted: 11/9/2009 4:35 PM

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I came here to get some insight on the big game and I see posts about bad officiating before the game is even played.  Come on guys!!!!

Posted: 11/9/2009 5:32 PM

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skward wrote:

I came here to get some insight on the big game and I see posts about bad officiating before the game is even played.  Come on guys!!!!

Agreed...let's not let this thread turn into a Ravens board...

 

This should be a great game. We've got a lot of tough games ahead of us, so the BB way of focusing on the task at hand should help us out. Colts v. Pats...is there ever a better game to watch??

 

I've gotta pick the Pats on this one because:
a) I'm a Pats fan

b) The Colts have stumbled the past few weeks, but no one has been able to knock them down - Houston gave us some pretty good film on how to succeed

c) The Colts D is banged up and TFB is starting to come into his own. Brady/Moss seems to be back in full swing, and Brady/Welker...well, that never really left. It'll be tough for the Colts to stop us with their rookie CBs and no Bob Sanders to help out.

d) We all know how Brady loves the dome.

 

HOWEVER...TFB has stated on multiple occasions that the guy that scares him more than any other player in the league is Dwight Freeney. The guy is a beast. Our O-line is banged up, so they'll have to play out of their minds to keep the pressure off Tom. Being that it's pretty much the only gameplan that could work for the Colts (b/c of injuries and rookies in the secondary), I think they're gonna come after Brady constantly. From what I hear, it's incredibly unlikely that Light will be playing, so Seabass has got to really step it up this week.

 

Pats 33-27

Last edited 11/9/2009 5:33 PM by dcgioia

Posted: 11/9/2009 7:15 PM

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Quote: 

 

c) The Colts D is banged up and TFB is starting to come into his own. Brady/Moss seems to be back in full swing, and Brady/Welker...well, that never really left. It'll be tough for the Colts to stop us with their rookie CBs and no Bob Sanders to help out.

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It is true that the Colts have lost some key players last week but remember only one has been actually playing.  Sanders was playing in only his second game and Melvin Bullet is very good and is not much of a drop off.  Marlin Jackson was coming back from an ACL tear on his other knee last year and was only playing in nickle situations.  Hayden has also missed several games this year. 

 

Yes they have two rookie corners but Jerraud Powers is unbelievably good.  Lacey is also very good.  Powers would be starting even if both Hayden and Jackson were healthy and he was.  However, with Hayden out Jennings is the 3rd corner and will play out wide.  He is short and will and has had a tough time matching up with Moss and other tall receivers.  I look for the Patriots to exploit this match up.

 

I just wouldn't look at this game and say the Colts defense is down from injuries.  This is the same defense they have put out there most of the games.  However, their depth has been hurt and if anyone else goes down especially at cornerback they don't have any good replacements.

 

 

Posted: 11/9/2009 8:01 PM

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Manning is still Manning, - and the more time he spends as a spectator - the better. The Pats are good at the screens, and I'd be surprised if we didn't use a few. - Of course that's not news to the Colts, - so, should be a very interesting game. At some time it would be nice to have them here late in the season, ... this dome stuff isn't real football.

Posted: 11/9/2009 8:03 PM

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It'll be interesting to see if Sea Bass can handle a really good pass rush. He's pretty athletic and pretty damn big. Of course, establishing the run so TFB can use play action would help immensely. Likewise if they could dust off a few of those reverses just to keep the defense a half-tick slower in reacting.

 

Odds are as good as not that if the Pats win it'll be from an unlikely source. A big return from Tate or an INT from Chung or something like that. Would love to see Junior come up big ... he's been quiet so far.

Posted: 11/9/2009 8:26 PM

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I don't think the importance of this game can be overstated. If the Patriots want any hope of homefield advantage they must win this one.

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Posted: 11/9/2009 10:45 PM

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i wouldn't mind seeing the colts face new england in new england toward the end of the regular season one of these years.

 

i'd say we're due.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Posted: 11/10/2009 12:09 AM

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This site projects the schedule based on how scheduling has been done in the past (it's a pretty fixed formula):

www.johnnyroadtrip.com/schedul...future_afce.htm


Assuming the Pats and Colts both finish this season ranked the same in their respective divisions (for instance, if they both win their division), the Colts will play at the Pats next year. Ditto for 2011 (i.e. if the Pats and Colts finish ranked the same in 2010, it will be Colts @ Pats in 2011). And the Colts will play in New England in 2012 regardless of finish. Which means we're probably looking at getting the Colts at home for 3 straight years - which is exactly what happened earlier this decade before the current steak of something like 4 out of 5 in Indy.

Posted: 11/10/2009 12:29 AM

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As for the game itself, I'm assuming that both Brady and Manning will be on as usual. Barring an uncharacteristicly bad game from one of them, I'm thinking the game comes down to these matchups:

1) Dwight Freeney vs. Sebastion Vollmer (and help). Vollmer has been pretty damn impressive for a rookie, but you have to think this matchup favors the Colts. Vollmer will get help via chip blocks and double teams from Faulk, Maroney, Watson, etc... as well as from Brady's subtle movements within the pocket. But the rook has to at least have a respectable game against Freeney.

2) Laurence Maroney and the Pats OL vs the Colts front 7. A number of people have mentioned the need to keep Manning off the field with long drives and I totally agree. Welker and the short passing game will be a big part of this as usual, but the run game has to show up. Indy is middle of the pack against the run both in terms of ypg and ypc so there should be some room for Maroney there. Hopefully he will run just as decisively and hard as he did this past week.

3) Brandon McGowan vs Dallas Clark. Two years ago, the undefeated Pats knocked off the undefeated Colts in large part due to Rodney Harrison's coverage of Dallas Clark. Rodney is gone, but Dallas Clark is no less critical to the Colts offense than he was then (and he's probably more so). McGowan has started to make a rep as a guy who can shut down elite TEs. He'll be a big part of Belichick's plan to slow down the Colts offense.

Posted: 11/10/2009 1:44 AM

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Stoolers beat the Broncos ... both are 6-2 now ... making this game with the Colts even more important.

Posted: 11/10/2009 6:37 AM

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Indpls: [-3] O/U=50

 

The team with the most pressure on the opponents QB wins this one! With the Colt banged up, I am not sure if they can cover a 4 man wide set. NE would be well advised to avoid a 5 man WR set. Is the key to this one the  TE or the "other" WR? I look for the Colt to use Addi very effectivelly[sp] .................

 

Sorry Colt fans but you guys wine more than any other fan base in the league and, "seem" to get more calls especially when you need them.

 

I'll give you something to be concerned about and that is the Pat's D is really starting to come around and mature nicely.

Posted: 11/10/2009 9:59 AM

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I'll say this: If Vollmer can be successful against Freeney, Light will either be looking at a new position (RT) or a new team next year. Freeney is a guy who Light has NEVER been able to matchup against effectively. I would doubt that Vollmer shines against one of the best in the league, but I think this is going to be a very telling game for the future of the O-line. I'll definitely be watching that matchup very carefully...I'm sure BB will be too.

Posted: 11/10/2009 10:16 AM

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I like Vollmer and think he will do fine against Freeney.  There has been talk by some broadcasters that Matt Light may get moved to the right side when he comes back. 

 

The idea being that Vollmer is doing an adequate job and could use the snaps for development purposes.  In the long run thats his spot and he won't be just "keeping it warrm".

Posted: 11/10/2009 10:49 AM

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dcgioia wrote: I'll say this: If Vollmer can be successful against Freeney, Light will either be looking at a new position (RT) or a new team next year. Freeney is a guy who Light has NEVER been able to matchup against effectively. I would doubt that Vollmer shines against one of the best in the league, but I think this is going to be a very telling game for the future of the O-line. I'll definitely be watching that matchup very carefully...I'm sure BB will be too.

I totally disagree with this statement.  Freeney has had some ok games against the Pats, never any great ones that I can remember,  and just as many bad games.  I will always remember the AFCC in 2003 against the Colts where late in the game Phil Simms asked on the air "Did Dwight Freeney even play today?".  Then in the divisional game against the Colts the next year Freeney did have one sack but that was his only tackle in the game.

 

Freeney, or as I like to call him "the ballerina", has one move.  I'm not saying he's no good but if whoever is blocking him doesn't get caught leaning then his twirling can be held in check.  Vollmer may need a little help but the Pats have handled Freeney before and I think they can handle him now.

Posted: 11/10/2009 11:55 AM

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RE: Volmer and Light - For what it's worth, Belichick has at least left the door open for Vollmer retaining the LT spot even when Light is healthy withi his comments in this article:

www.bostonherald.com/blogs/spo...at-left-tackle/

Posted: 11/10/2009 3:11 PM

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Vollmer seems pretty agile - for any size of man. If BB can coach him up this week on Freeny's tendencies, he should be OK.

 

Vollmer could do himself a lot of good also if he can open up holes for Maroney. Someone on that line needs to be winning their battles on a consistent basis so Maroney can just get it and go.

Posted: 11/10/2009 4:30 PM

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I agree Dok and I think Sea Bass is the guy to do it.  If you watch the runs that Maroney made early in the Dolphins game that went for 10-12 yards they were on the left side with Vollmer leading the way or opening the hole.

Posted: 11/10/2009 7:39 PM

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I'm with TNPat on this one.  I think Vollmer handles Freeny, maybe with a little help at times but I think the big thing in this game should be a lot of Kevin Faulk either running the ball or more likely out of the backfield in options and maybe joining Welker at midfield.  It seems Faulk is a mainstay in Colts games.


 


And ya, the colts fans do whin alot but I was also surprised at the Ravens this year.

Posted: 11/10/2009 8:54 PM

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Earlier on in his career, Freeney got a lot of penetration on Light. He's had a few sacks on Brady, but more than that, he's always done a good job of hurrying Tom. If there's one guy that Tom's intimidated by, its Freeney, so he doesn't even need to hit Tom to get in his head. If he's anywhere near Tom, it'll force Tom to get rid of the ball hastily to avoid being hit by a guy he thinks hits harder than anyone in the league. That leads to poor passes, something we can't afford with Brady just starting to get it together.

It seems to me that Freeney is always pressuring TFB, and regardless of whether he actually hits him, he's impacting Brady's play. Light is a big reason for that. I'm not saying that Light is incapable of blocking him, he actually did a decent job against him, but against a guy that has so much influence on your QB, you have to do better than decent.

My real point was that Vollmer hasn't exactly been tested by any great pass rushers yet. Freeney will be his first real challenge. If he can step up and get the job done against Freeney, he can do it well against anyone, and Light might be making a move soon.

As for Light moving to RT vs. leaving the team, LT's make more money than RTs because they're protecting the QBs blind side and as such, line up against the better defenders. For these reasons, it's not fiscally sound to keep two high-caliber LTs on the team. It's also a lot tougher than you would think to make the transition from left to right.

For this year, I could see them trying Light at RT since it's past the trade deadline already, but I doubt that it would be a long term solution. BB knows to trade a player when their value is the highest. Light is a pro-bowler on the down side of his career, and we've all been saying that for a long time now (since at least the end of 2007). If we can find a young, good replacement for Light who can play well against good pass rushers, there's no need for Matt Light to stay on the team, and his trade value is relatively high. BB will jump on that opportunity. It's kind of like the Brady/Bledsoe decision. Obviously it's too early to say whether or not Vollmer can replace Light, but if he continues to show promise, I wouldn't count on Light being on this team a year from now.

Posted: 11/11/2009 4:05 PM

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dcgioia wrote: I'll say this: If Vollmer can be successful against Freeney, Light will either be looking at a new position (RT) or a new team next year. Freeney is a guy who Light has NEVER been able to matchup against effectively. I would doubt that Vollmer shines against one of the best in the league, but I think this is going to be a very telling game for the future of the O-line. I'll definitely be watching that matchup very carefully...I'm sure BB will be too.

I totally disagree with this statement.  Freeney has had some ok games against the Pats, never any great ones that I can remember,  and just as many bad games.  I will always remember the AFCC in 2003 against the Colts where late in the game Phil Simms asked on the air "Did Dwight Freeney even play today?".  Then in the divisional game against the Colts the next year Freeney did have one sack but that was his only tackle in the game.

 

Freeney, or as I like to call him "the ballerina", has one move.  I'm not saying he's no good but if whoever is blocking him doesn't get caught leaning then his twirling can be held in check.  Vollmer may need a little help but the Pats have handled Freeney before and I think they can handle him now.

New England usually chip blocks Freeney.  There aren't too many one on one's.  If you chip Freeney just a little and take away his quickness he can be neutralized some.

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