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OFFICIAL GAME 8 Thread: Dolphins vs Patriots

Posted: 11/2/2009 1:57 PM

OFFICIAL GAME 8 Thread: Dolphins vs Patriots 


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Last edited 11/8/2009 12:47 PM by JSinCT

Posted: 11/2/2009 2:55 PM

RE: OFFICIAL GAME 8 Thread: Dolphins vs Patriots 


This game kicks off the 5-game stretch that will define the Pats season.

I know the Pats have struggled against the Wildcat, but I feel good about their chances with 2 weeks to prepare for it. I also think the Pats offense will have it's way with the Dolphins pass defense which is giving up 8.2 yds/att (31st in the league).

Posted: 11/2/2009 2:57 PM

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I really wanted the Dolphins to lose to the Jets this weekend.  I know it sounds crazy but I'm more worried about the Dolphins than the Jets.

 

1.  The Dolphins have an easier overall schedule left than the Jets do.

 

2.  The Dolphins can win games that seem unwinnable.  2 kick returns and 1 fumble return and they beat the Jets who outplayed them otherwaise.

 

3.  The Pats have not proved they can handle the wildcat.  The Broncos even busted out the formation and gashed the Pats with it.

 

4.  The Dolphins now have "Win" momentum on their side, while the pats come off a bye and 2 cupcake wins.

 

5.  If the Dolphins win this week they will be 4-0 in the division...with a weaker schedule as opposed to the Jets now 1-3 in the division.

 

6.  It is a long shot but is feasible for the Dolphins to be 10-6 at the end of the season and have a better division record than the Pats if they win one of the 2 games.

 

Keys to the Game for the Pats:

1. Contain the wildcat

2. Force Henne to beat you

3. Keep pressure off of Tom Brady

 

Keys to the Game for the Dolphins:

1.  If I was them I would start Pat White and run the wildcat all day

2.  Jason Taylor must have a good game pass rushing

3.  Forget Randy Moss and cover Wes Welker

Posted: 11/2/2009 3:18 PM

Re: OFFICIAL GAME 8 Thread: Dolphins vs Patriots 


While the Dolphins are probably the best in the league at running the wildcat offense, the reality is that the wildcat has been ineffective a lot more than it has been effective since teams figured it out after the first few weeks the Dolphins used it.  Media and fans love to talk about how the fins ripped the Pats apart with it in that first game last year.  It was the first time they had showed it and the Pats were completely unprepared for it.  What they fail to recognize is that the Pats completely shut it down the second time the two teams played last year. 

 

I think too much is made of it.  BB knows how to plan for it and he will look at how other teams have stopped it and be ready.  The Jets stopped it this week and I expect the Pats to do the same.  There will likely be a couple 10 to 15 yard plays mixed in there but overall I think they'll handle it just fine.  As long as they are not giving up huge plays it should not be an issue.  The one thing that makes the Dolphins wildcat better than others is that Ronnie Brown can actually throw the ball, unlike so many of these other guys that get used in that role and pretty much guarantee it's going to be a two-option run.  With the fins you do need to be ready for the option pass and I think the Pats will find a way to take that away.

Posted: 11/2/2009 3:43 PM

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Keep an eye on Tate and Aiken this week. I wasn't much of a fan of Aiken at the start of the season, but he gets better every week and he's a physical receiver. Tate showed some nice moves but it was his first pro start. Brady's had two weeks to work with these guys, Welker and Moss have had two weeks to get healthy ... it could be a high-scoring affair.

 

As for the wildcat, it seems like blitzing it has been effective for other teams. We have some pretty good safeties now so they could turn Merriweather and Chung loose on it.

 

Should be a great game.

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Posted: 11/2/2009 5:05 PM

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Do the Pats go after Chris Chambers,  a former Dolphin, now that the Chargers have released him?

Posted: 11/2/2009 5:27 PM

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Just posted this in another thread in response to the same question:

From everything I've read, at this point in his career he's basically Joey Galloway but without the speed: No explosiveness or ability to create separation and no hands. If that's true (and I tend to think it is since good players are rarely cut mid-season), I don't think the Pats want anything to do with him.

Posted: 11/3/2009 9:34 AM

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No.  The Pats should absolutely cream this team. 

 

They obviously need to spend time on ST, but with the way Gostkowski booms kickoffs that tends to negate runbacks.  I'm sure they will have Hanson kicking away as well.  Ginn and the piss poor Jets ST and Offense is what gave Miami the win, 164 total offensive yards does not usually translate into victories.

 

42-10 Pats.

Posted: 11/3/2009 10:20 AM

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dokgonzo wrote:

Keep an eye on Tate and Aiken this week. I wasn't much of a fan of Aiken at the start of the season, but he gets better every week and he's a physical receiver. Tate showed some nice moves but it was his first pro start. Brady's had two weeks to work with these guys, Welker and Moss have had two weeks to get healthy ... it could be a high-scoring affair.

 

As for the wildcat, it seems like blitzing it has been effective for other teams. We have some pretty good safeties now so they could turn Merriweather and Chung loose on it.

 

Should be a great game.

Don't forget McGowen...he has been a good player. A consistent player for the Patriots.  The thing with the wildcat is everyone doing their assignments and filling the gaps that they need to fill. I expect to see more of a 3-4 alignment on defense this week.  I really wish the Partiots had either Taylor or Morris this week to slow down the Miami blitz. This is a big stretch of games for the Patriots. One game at a time and it starts this Sunday.

Posted: 11/3/2009 11:08 AM

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I'm gonna' go with my gut instict on this one and say the Pats lose by 10. I don't think our run defense is going to be able to stop Ronnie and Ricky this time around, especially without Richard Seymour and Jarvis Green.

Posted: 11/3/2009 1:55 PM

Re: OFFICIAL GAME 8 Thread: Dolphins vs Patriots 


That is possible, however if everyone plays their gaps, executes their assigments then the Patriots should be able to slow the wildcat down.

Posted: 11/3/2009 6:51 PM

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I wouldn't bet against BB when he has two weeks to game plan against a team that embarrased the Pat's at home last year.  That said, the burden will fall on Pees to make adjustments. I know, WHAT adjustments?

 

Henne also looks like a rookie most of the time.

Posted: 11/3/2009 10:11 PM

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The difference between this year and last is the Pats have some speed in the LB's (TBC, Guyton, Mayo) and some pop in the safeties (Merriweather, Chung, McGowan) that they didn't really have last year. So while the line may not be what it was, there's much stronger and faster run support.

Posted: 11/4/2009 9:40 AM

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I think the improved speed of the team gives the Pats is a huge plus in this game.  Our line doesn't form a wall anymore but those gaps close quickly.  Not only that but the line has more versatility with many of the down lineman and psuedo lineman having sacks.  With Green out I look to Wright to have more playing time and a huge effect on the game.

 

On obvious pass downs I expect Henne to get hit more often than not as the Dolphins don't have any good recievers and the Pats can man to man them leaving someone free to go after Henne. 

 

I hope the Pats jump out early and make the Dolphins one dimensional fast.  Take away the run by putting 2-3 TD's on the board early.  BB likes to defer if they win the toss but this might be the game to forget that and go for the throat.

Posted: 11/4/2009 1:31 PM

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Time of possession will be a key. The Dolphins want a slow game. The Patriots want to make them go fast. If the Dolphins chew up time off the clock the Patriots can not afford to be having 3 and outs or to have to come from behind. This is a critical AFC East  match-up.

Posted: 11/4/2009 3:06 PM

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TFB seems to struggle against the Dolphins D a lot. I think the Pats LB's and secondary will be the difference. If they can either get the Phins off the field with 3-and-out or, better still, generate TO's and/or negative yardage by attacking the WildCat, then the Pats offensive firepower will carry the day.

Posted: 11/4/2009 4:25 PM

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The Pats can play the time of possession game too.  The last 2 games they haven't but thats because they were running plays for 19+ yards at a time.  In most cases they throw possession routes. 

 

I think they will attack early down the field to open up the run and short passes then use the latter to chew up the clock if they get ahead.  I expect they will try to take advantage of the youth in the secondary of the Fins. 

 

This could be a great game for the Pats or their worst nightmare.

Last edited 11/4/2009 4:26 PM by 3rdngoal

Posted: 11/4/2009 7:43 PM

RE: OFFICIAL GAME 8 Thread: Dolphins vs Patriots 


I come in peace guys/gals...

I am just curious as to what the latest is on Light? I havent been able to find it anywhere and we were talking on our board about how important that matchup could be. Does anyone here have any idea?

Posted: 11/4/2009 9:00 PM

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Matt Light didn't practice today nor, to my knowledge, has he practiced since he got hurt. That's probably the most information you'll get before the weekend but I don't think anyone (ie. fans or media) is anticipating that he will play.

Posted: 11/5/2009 10:06 AM

RE: OFFICIAL GAME 8 Thread: Dolphins vs Patriots 


The Wild Cat is so overrated and overhyped.  If Miami beats New England it is because their defense stopped the Patriots offense and they played great special teams. 

Posted: 11/5/2009 11:55 AM

RE: OFFICIAL GAME 8 Thread: Dolphins vs Patriots 


It's overhyped and it's weaknesses are starting to show up, but it's also now part of the NFL game (for a little while longer anyway). You know that Rexy will be watching to see if the Pats can deal with it. And if the Pats do shut it down, it'll be the blueprint for the rest of the season for everyone else Miami faces.

Posted: 11/6/2009 4:21 PM

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Light is out Trim

Posted: 11/7/2009 12:37 PM

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chrism wrote: Matt Light didn't practice today nor, to my knowledge, has he practiced since he got hurt. That's probably the most information you'll get before the weekend but I don't think anyone (ie. fans or media) is anticipating that he will play.

Not playing, and won't for a while we hear.

 

Injury looked pretty bad, so if he's like Morris, could be a couple of weeks before he starts practicing.

Posted: 11/7/2009 1:21 PM

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According to ESPN, Dolphins LB Channing Crowder and NT Jason Ferguson are listed as doubtful on the injury report for tomorrow's game. This should help Brady out  by giving him a little more time to get the ball out, and hopefully it will open up the middle of the field a bit for Welker. For once, it seems that injuries are working in our favor!!!! (Except for Taylor, Morris, and Light, of course)

Posted: 11/8/2009 9:14 AM

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    What a glorious day for football in New England!!!!!!

 

 

    I am going golfing!!  cool

Posted: 11/8/2009 12:12 PM

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Injury report:
Out:
Julian Edelman (arm)
Jarvis Green (knee)
Sammy Morris (knee)
Fred Taylor (ankle)
Matt Light (knee)
Jonathan Wilhite (illness)

Not a lot of surprises here, but Wilhite has arguably been our best CB this year, that could hurt us today...

Posted: 11/8/2009 1:19 PM

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Not bad, I'm actually pretty happy with our play thus far. Tom had the INT, but made the right throw considering Randy was in single coverage with a rookie. The phins have the lead because of a career long FG. I like the outlook in this game if we can keep it up.

Posted: 11/8/2009 1:24 PM

RE: OFFICIAL GAME 8 Thread: Dolphins vs Patriots 


Wow...Randy Moss showing that he's the best in the business. Maroney is running the ball GREAT today, this game could get out of control quickly.

Posted: 11/8/2009 2:07 PM

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The only reason that wildcat play worked is because TBC didn't even know where the ball was. Unbelievably bad play by TBC.

Posted: 11/8/2009 2:10 PM

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And the wildcat tore us up...again. My God...did we not gameplan for the wildcat? It's their ONLY weapon!!!!
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