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Matt Cassel Trade Possibilites

Posted: 1/17/2009 4:53 PM

Matt Cassel Trade Possibilites 


First lets look at Cassel's trade value. Here are what some are saying: 

It would have to be multiple choices and very high choices to get Cassel," ESPN analyst and former Tennessee Titans general manager Floyd Reese said. "Two first-rounders, or a one and a two and a three ... It'll be something very, very expensive."

"Whatever the Giants gave up for Eli has to be the market," Lombardi said. "It's got to be a first-rounder, and not the 22nd or 24th pick in the draft. It has to be a substantial one and one that keeps on giving."

Here are some trade ideas I have thought about. Tell me what you think:
Lions - 1 and 33 for Cassel or 20 and 33.
Rams - 2 and 34
Chiefs - 3 and 35
49ers - 10 and 43
Bears - 18 and 49
Bucs - 19 and 50
Vikings - 22, 54, and 86

Are these trade ideas crazy? I don't think so in my opinion. We are giving a team a proven franchise QB in his prime and that is easily worth 2 first day selections. I think Cassel is already a top 12 NFL QB. A team like the Vikings could win the Super Bowl if they made this move. That is easily worth their first 3 picks. Are they really going to find anyone in FA or in the draft who is going to make them that much better at QB? There are only 2 good QBs in the draft and Sanchez has very little experience with only 15 career starts.

I think the odds of the Pats dealing with the top 3 teams is low because I don't see the Pats wanting to pay an unproven rookie huge money. Last yr we heard this as well and the Pats were trying very hard to move down and eventually did to 10. I think the 49ers and Vikings are def possibilites here. Both teams have gaping holes at QB. The Bears never seem to draft a QB which is ridiculous and they never sign anyone either. The Bears last yr could have picked Joe Flacco. Imagine how much better they would have been with him? They didn't even take a flier on a Henne or a Brohm. This team is not managed well. I bet that idiot Gm they have will go into next yr with the horrible Orton-Grossman rotation again and they will miss the playoffs again. The Bucs I didn't think would trade for a QB with Gruden there but now that hes fired they def need a QB unless they think Garcia dinking and dunking will lead them to the promised land. They have no future QB on their roster either.

I really want to deal with the 49ers here and then take whoever is left over out of Everette Brown, Brian Orakpo, and Aaron Maybin. This team needs an elite edge rusher opposie Adalius Thomas next yr. Vrabel can start again and groom this kid to be the next big LB here. I also think at 10 we would look at these guys if they were there as well: CB Malcolm Jenkins, ILB Rey Mauluga, or OT Jason Smith.

Thoughts?



 

Posted: 1/17/2009 8:04 PM

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I think the most realistic is the Lions' #20 and #33.  That way they can still draft the best OLineman.  Maybe even with the Lions getting the Pats' 3rd rounder back.  The Patriots already will get a 3rd round comp pick for Samuel.

Posted: 1/17/2009 10:25 PM

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It says here that Julius Peppers wants out of Carolina to play OLB in a 3-4 scheme:

www.carolinagrowl.com/Read.aspx?Story=1004

Delhomme has hardly been the answer for them the last few years (even before the 5 INT masterpiece against Arizona last week) and is 34. How about a Cassell for Peppers deal?

Posted: 1/17/2009 10:46 PM

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chrism wrote: It says here that Julius Peppers wants out of Carolina to play OLB in a 3-4 scheme:

www.carolinagrowl.com/Read.aspx?Story=1004

Delhomme has hardly been the answer for them the last few years (even before the 5 INT masterpiece against Arizona last week) and is 34. How about a Cassell for Peppers deal?

Interesting, and perhaps a little odd, that he would say he specifically wants to play 3-4 OLB, especially when he has never played that position.  He's a free agent so he can go to any team he wants to without a trade unless Carolina franchises him.

Posted: 1/18/2009 3:14 AM

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TNPatsFan wrote:
chrism wrote: It says here that Julius Peppers wants out of Carolina to play OLB in a 3-4 scheme:

www.carolinagrowl.com/Read.aspx?Story=1004

Delhomme has hardly been the answer for them the last few years (even before the 5 INT masterpiece against Arizona last week) and is 34. How about a Cassell for Peppers deal?

Interesting, and perhaps a little odd, that he would say he specifically wants to play 3-4 OLB, especially when he has never played that position.  He's a free agent so he can go to any team he wants to without a trade unless Carolina franchises him.


No question they franchise him.

Also, let me say that I don't think this is a likely deal.  I just think it would benefit both teams.

Posted: 1/18/2009 10:03 AM

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he is not worth a first round, but if somebody wants to give up a 1ster, then trade him. Pats offensive number really up since Moss is here( kinda like culpepper putting up big numbers). Cassel most likely will be a failure if he leaves pats/ Moss. He is no Brady.

Posted: 1/18/2009 12:40 PM

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Really? Everything he's done shows just the oppsite.

Posted: 1/18/2009 2:00 PM

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I think with another year or two as the Pats starter Cassel could be quite Brady-esque. But if he goes to a Detroit or worse (... oh ... there is no worse ... ok, the Raiders are worse ...) then I'd expect to see him start to falter. Without the coaching support and surrounding talent he has in NE, it's just unlikely he'd enjoy as much success.

That said, a team like the Vikes that just needs a QB who'll (a) improve and (b) not throw the game away would be a good fit. He'd have time to develop without getting sacked 20 times a game.

Posted: 1/19/2009 3:08 PM

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Radio Talk show in CHI said there was a rumor that Urlacher and a 2nd for Cassel was in talks. Talk show chatter, but interesting none the less.

Posted: 1/19/2009 3:37 PM

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That'd be a good move for all concerned. The Bears have decent talent and are in a weak division, so Cassel would elevate them pretty quick. Urlacher isn't too old yet and a change of scenery and coaching could get him back to the production he had a few years ago. Put him back there with Mayo and Adalius and our LB corps suddenly looks pretty good.

Posted: 1/19/2009 4:11 PM

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Hey guys, I think it's possible to see a player and a second, more likely a second and third...
I just can't see Pioli, McCaniels, Shwartz or even Mangini giving up a 1st! Imagine the conspiracies! Now a second and third over 2 years makes more sense...No way, any of these teams would give up a low 1st. Smart thing would be to get that tackle first, than the QB later. Actually, KC, Detroit and the Rams need O-line and D-line. Similar to what Cleveland did with Joe Thomas and Brady Quinn. I could see Piloi draft Oher OT with the 3rd pick. Detroit 33rd, Rams 34th and KC 35th. I would expect a move here. Will the Rams trade Bolger? Schwartz almost a certanty to select a Lineman. The DarkHorse in my view is San Francisco...BB has done business with the 49'ers before. Cassel is from the Bay area. They have the 10th selection. Seems like it could work! There would be some awsome talent still on the board, possibly Mualuga USC, Laurenitis OSU, Moore S Ms, Darius Heyward-Bey WR, MD and Clint Sintim OLB, VA. Malcom Jenkins CB, OSU and Vontae Davis CB IL. ILb's are worth 10 spot.(Jenkins too) Vontae Davis CB may go 12-16 If BB doesn't trade up then Moore, Bay and Sintim should be available at 23. If Bill wants a W/O maybe, he'll let it roll and see if he can trade down a little. With the extra 2nd and Matt Cassel, the possibilties are endless!

Posted: 1/19/2009 6:45 PM

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Given the immediate needs at LB, S, CB, TE I can't see the Pats not wanting a player and a pick. They need bodies who can come in and make a difference now, not a couple of years from now. Mayo was a big surprise, it's unlikely for lightening to strike twice like that in two years.

Cassel is from LA, not the Bay Area, I believe. Brady is from the Bay Area. The 9'ers would be a nice place for Cassel to wind up as well. The fans are kind of quiet in a "white wine and cheese" kind of fashion, but it's an awesome place to live.

There are a few teams that are a QB away from being competetive - Vikes come to mind. Be curious to see what happens in Philly now too with Reid and McNabb since they choked ... again.

Posted: 1/19/2009 7:03 PM

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365 you hit on the real story once again.  A Sanfran move does indeed look very good.  Im not sure what games roofus was watching because I think Cassell would do exy in another system and the 69'rs would be a logical spot.  An overall well balanced team with a big history of passing QB's.  69'rs would give Cassel a place to shine.

I do love the Urlacher idea though Dok.  And that wouldent be just a pretty good LB corp.  That would be like "Carnage & Meyhem", "Shock & Awe", Blitzkrieg & Apocalypse".  Just the potential for an all-around lovely show.  Now if the Defensive front wrecking machine could back to their hayday ways the Pats might not even need a D backfield.

Posted: 1/19/2009 8:03 PM

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Adding Urlacher and a healthy Adalus and Mayo and Vrabel gives us an incredible LB group. That would make up for some of the shortcomings in the secondary as all four are capable of a pick or a strip.

Then maybe they spend their FA wad on Peppers to bolster the line. With that the front 7 is pretty lethal and they can continue to patch together a secondary while they develop talent like Merriweather.

It's been awful quiet out of Foxboro since the Pats season ended. Other than fond wishes to the departed, you'd think they went on vacation. But that ain't the case, so RK/BB are up to something.

Posted: 1/19/2009 8:26 PM

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Maybe a few years ago I would have wanted Urlacher in a trade.  Not so much any more.  He's 30 years old and not the player he used to be.  He only had about 90 tackles this year and had zero sacks.  I'd rather get a young improving player than yet another older, declining player.
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Posted: 1/19/2009 9:19 PM

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Carolina may be open to a trade for Young MC for Peppers, since Fox is
a former Belichick assistant, and should be friendly.


Carolina has such fantastic receivers but Delhomme just cant get the ball to
them properly, or enough, so his time may be over there.


Peppers, the former starting forward on the UNC Final 4 hoop team,
is a major beast on the gridiron. 



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Posted: 1/19/2009 10:36 PM

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----TNPatsFan wrote: ---------------

Maybe a few years ago I would have wanted Urlacher in a trade.  Not so much any more.  He's 30 years old and not the player he used to be.  He only had about 90 tackles this year and had zero sacks.  I'd rather get a young improving player than yet another older, declining player.

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Thats really not indicative of Urlacher. He wasnt being used as a pass rusher as much this year, and the guys around him have been injured or not playing nearly as well. Urlacher ate a lot of blocks this season, as well as being injured himself with I think a Neck or Back Injury on and off this season.

Urlacher is not as done as some think he is in my opinion. Put him in front of VW, RS, and JG and he'll be much more effective, not to mention the LB support as well.

He could very much still have some good games left in him if used in a good scheme.

Posted: 1/19/2009 10:50 PM

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BradyIsMyHero wrote:

----TNPatsFan wrote: ---------------

Maybe a few years ago I would have wanted Urlacher in a trade.  Not so much any more.  He's 30 years old and not the player he used to be.  He only had about 90 tackles this year and had zero sacks.  I'd rather get a young improving player than yet another older, declining player.

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Thats really not indicative of Urlacher. He wasnt being used as a pass rusher as much this year, and the guys around him have been injured or not playing nearly as well. Urlacher ate a lot of blocks this season, as well as being injured himself with I think a Neck or Back Injury on and off this season.

Urlacher is not as done as some think he is in my opinion. Put him in front of VW, RS, and JG and he'll be much more effective, not to mention the LB support as well.

He could very much still have some good games left in him if used in a good scheme.
That may be true, but will he be better or worse with only 3 DL's in front of him instead of 4, considering those 4 in Chicago are pretty good.   The last three seasons his sack numbers are 0, 5, and 0.  I know he's not a pass rusher but still that's only 5 in three years.  And it also seems like he's had nagging injuries for several years now.  Could he be breaking down? 

I don't know.  I like the guy, I'm just not sure I want to trade someone who apparently has high value to other teams for another 30 plus LB who may or may not have a few productive years left in him.  I'd rather get someone younger.

Posted: 1/20/2009 9:48 AM

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TNPatsFan wrote:
chrism wrote: It says here that Julius Peppers wants out of Carolina to play OLB in a 3-4 scheme:

www.carolinagrowl.com/Read.aspx?Story=1004

Delhomme has hardly been the answer for them the last few years (even before the 5 INT masterpiece against Arizona last week) and is 34. How about a Cassell for Peppers deal?

Interesting, and perhaps a little odd, that he would say he specifically wants to play 3-4 OLB, especially when he has never played that position.  He's a free agent so he can go to any team he wants to without a trade unless Carolina franchises him.

He is not going anwhere! Why you ask? Never played in a 3-4, too old and wants what, 16 mil? As New Englanders we all know how critical speed is in a 3-4 scheme.

Posted: 1/20/2009 10:24 AM

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"Lions - 1 and 33 for Cassel or 20 and 33.
Rams - 2 and 34
Chiefs - 3 and 35"


I am sure the pats want nothing to do with a 10 ten pick.  The value just isnt there for the contract you have to give.

I would love to see Pepper's come over from Carolina.  This team seriously needs a consistent pass rush and while the ends are good/great players they are not elite.  Seymour was at one point in his career, but not any longer.  He is still without a doubt a starting quality defensive end in the NFL, but he is no longer among the elite at that position.

Posted: 1/20/2009 11:42 AM

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I also think Urlacher has plenty left in the tank and I doubt he's lost those great instincts he's shown over the years. He's right about at the point in his career where he can pick up the Pats defense quickly too.

Not sure about Peppers - I think he'd be a good addition largely because it's easier to fix the problems at the line than the secondary. If the front 7 are monsterous that takes pressure off the secondary and we can get by with Hobbs, Merriweather, and whoever else. Whatever QB they face will be throwing under heavy pressure.

It'll come down to money, of course. Do Urlacher and Peppers really want to grow, improve, and win? Or do they want what Asate wanted: to get paid? If BB sniffs out that its all about money, they won't be in Foxboro.

Posted: 1/20/2009 11:53 AM

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stealthdog666 wrote: I think the most realistic is the Lions' #20 and #33.  That way they can still draft the best OLineman.  Maybe even with the Lions getting the Pats' 3rd rounder back.  The Patriots already will get a 3rd round comp pick for Samuel.

With all the holes we have noway we give you a 1st rd pick and the 1st pick in the 2nd rd on top of paying Cassel about 10 million a yr.

Last edited 1/20/2009 11:55 AM by MotorCityManiac

Posted: 1/20/2009 12:34 PM

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MotorCityManiac wrote:
stealthdog666 wrote: I think the most realistic is the Lions' #20 and #33.  That way they can still draft the best OLineman.  Maybe even with the Lions getting the Pats' 3rd rounder back.  The Patriots already will get a 3rd round comp pick for Samuel.

With all the holes we have noway we give you a 1st rd pick and the 1st pick in the 2nd rd on top of paying Cassel about 10 million a yr.

If that is true, that is probably why we wouldn't see a Patriots-Lions trade.  Some of the commentators are already saying the value for Cassel starts with 2 first round picks.  I don't think Belichick will be overly demanding, but he isn't going to give away a potential franchise quarterback for pennies.  The Patriots are too well run to give away value for little in return.
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Posted: 1/20/2009 5:37 PM

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I agree that he may be even worth more now than 2 first round picks.

After all is said and done, and lots interesting is said about Cassel, he may just be the Brady of the future here, and that makes the most sense.

For all intents and purposes, he just completed his rooke season, so there is so much potential there.

 

Two "Brady types" in a row for the Pats at qb,

is pretty awesome when it all comes down to it.



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Posted: 1/20/2009 5:50 PM

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It is indeed awesome.  Two diamonds in the late rounds.   Pioli leaves but before he does they pick up OConnel.  It sounds like a plan and maybe a third diamond.
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Posted: 1/20/2009 5:57 PM

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hddcrash wrote: It is indeed awesome.  Two diamonds in the late rounds.   Pioli leaves but before he does they pick up OConnel.  It sounds like a plan and maybe a third diamond.


 

Im still going to credit Belichick for everything good, and wish Pioli well but not too well.  

Have a personnel leak ? 

Belichick just plugs it in,

keeps the game face on,

and keeps the next game plan in focus.

 

Hes kind of a machine now.

 

 

 

 

Posted: 1/21/2009 10:43 AM

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Patsie wrote:

 

I agree that he may be even worth more now than 2 first round picks.

After all is said and done, and lots interesting is said about Cassel, he may just be the Brady of the future here, and that makes the most sense.

For all intents and purposes, he just completed his rooke season, so there is so much potential there.

 

Two "Brady types" in a row for the Pats at qb,

is pretty awesome when it all comes down to it.



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You seriously think he's worth more then 2 1st rd picks?  And you call him a Brady type QB Brady has 3 SB rings and hold the NFL record for TD passes all I can say is WOW.

Posted: 1/21/2009 10:52 AM

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It's way too premature to be predicting trade scenarios for Cassel.  Just because a couple former NFL people say he's worth this or that doesn't mean that's what would happen.  Even if the Pats think he's worth 2 first round picks and demand that, it doesn't mean any team would be willing to make that trade.  I would be personally shocked if a team gave up two first rounders for him.  I know I wouldn't do it.  As a fan I would, of course, like to get as many picks as possible but I'd be happy to get at least a single first round pick.

Regardless of where his trade value settles, I think it is most likely that if he gets traded it won't be until well into the summer or even after the season starts.

Posted: 1/21/2009 11:40 AM

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I seem to recall that O'Connell was McD's choice.

The Pats are doing their usual job of air-tight security. They've lost Pioli, McD, Capers, and then the Brady/Cassel situation and they don't say a peep. If this were the Jets there'd be leaks to the media every other hour by players, coaches, and janitors.

As long as RK and BB are running the show, I'm not gonna worry.
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Posted: 1/21/2009 12:33 PM

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MotorCityManiac wrote:
Patsie wrote:

 

I agree that he may be even worth more now than 2 first round picks.

After all is said and done, and lots interesting is said about Cassel, he may just be the Brady of the future here, and that makes the most sense.

For all intents and purposes, he just completed his rooke season, so there is so much potential there.

 

Two "Brady types" in a row for the Pats at qb,

is pretty awesome when it all comes down to it.



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You seriously think he's worth more then 2 1st rd picks?  And you call him a Brady type QB Brady has 3 SB rings and hold the NFL record for TD passes all I can say is WOW.


Unfortunately,,,,the good and loyal fans of Detroit teams cannot fathom what I am saying here.   Detroit is a great sports city that has, in football, become ravaged, and their fans delerious from being starved of great football.


I stay with my call there on Cassel.
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