Free Trial Ad
Why Subscribe?
  • Player/Prospect News
  • Exclusive Insider Info
  • Members-Only Forums
  • Exclusive Videos
  • Subscribe Now!
InboxChat RoomChat Room (0 fans in chatroom)
  Page of 3  Next >

Official Game 12 thread: Patriots vs. Steelers

Posted: 11/24/2008 3:54 PM

Official Game 12 thread: Patriots vs. Steelers 




This is the official game 12 thread. Everything pertaining to the game (pre and post game) belongs in this thread.



Patriots News Wire

Last weeks 5 Reasons

Steel City Insider.com

Heinz Field (Steeler Forum)

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

Gillette Stadium Cam (last hour)

Last edited 11/30/2008 9:46 AM by JSinCT

  • Patsie
  • Lt General (Three St
  • Rating: 0.0/5 this site
  • 738 posts this site

Posted: 11/24/2008 10:06 PM

Re: Official Game 12 thread: Patriots vs. Steelers 







ON D - The Pats want to get Big Ben to run out of the pocket.
Once hes out there, hes not as flexible, kind of stiff.
You want to make him throw on the run, if you can.
Otherwise, in the pocket he is so strong he can be deadly and
throws a 100 mph fastball, so to speak.




ON O- The OLine keeps doing its job and the rest will take
care of itself.  The Pats Offense has already proved itself, and
this not just includes the obvious greatness of Cassel,
but features also,,,a young, smart-
Getting-Better-All-Of-The-Time-
Offensive Coordinator.





.

Posted: 11/24/2008 10:21 PM

Re: Official Game 12 thread: Patriots vs. Steelers 


This should be a fun game to watch. Physical, yet both teams might be trying to spread the field.

Both teams stop the run pretty well. It will be interesting to see if either team even worries about keeping the offense balanced. Expect each team to take 3-4 shots at getting the ball deep down the field. The team that connects is the team that is going to win. The Pats cannot afford to give up the big play this week.

Posted: 11/24/2008 10:32 PM

Re: Official Game 12 thread: Patriots vs. Steelers 


McD worries me a lot this week coming up.

If he settles back into his passing on 2 out of 3 downs mode the Steelers will just blitz Cassel into oblivion. Being deceptive is not one of McD's strengths. Nor are adjustments. When he can come in with a plan and not have to change it, then he's young, smart, and all that.

They're going to need all their RB's - including BJGE to move the pile. And they're going to have to be prepared to really throw to who ever is open ASAP. Even if it isn't Moss or Welker or Faulk. A guy like Heath Evans could come up big because he can catch, no one will expect a designed play to go to him, and he's a load to bring down. Remember how they used Alstot in TB.

Hobbs will need to bring is best returns. They'll need good field position.

The defense. Well, in their favor is that the Steelers O isn't overpowering and they take a lot of penalties. If BB/Pees can keep Ben guessing, he'll throw it up to be picked off. Hobbs and O'Neal will make those INT's. They need to blitz a bunch themselves. Sitting back in coverage just isn't working for this team.

Posted: 11/25/2008 5:11 AM

Re: Official Game 12 thread: Patriots vs. Steelers 


They will need a balanced attack here, and they have the horses to do it.  I suspect way more dinking and dunking, with a few down field attempts. They will mix in the RBs. Morris & Lawfirm needs to slam the hole. This is the type of game that Faulk could be the leading receiver. 

Agreed ST may be the key.  Hobbs and Welker need good returns.

Ben has had issues with the Pats D but can light it up.  It actually seems he's better when flushed from the pocket.  Contain him.  The Pittsburgh running attack isn't what it once was but is still dangerous.

This will be phsyical, and I'm sure close -  a FG decides it.  Once thing perhaps in the Pats favor is that Pittsburgh plays Dallas and Baltimore after them.  Three very physical games.

Posted: 11/25/2008 10:11 AM

Re: Official Game 12 thread: Patriots vs. Steelers 


Cassel's now seems to have control of the offense, he is spreading the ball all over the field and starting to get it down to the second level.

I want to see two things this week.

1. I want Cassel to attack and hit on the third level, let' see some 9,9,9 and go for it all at least twice in this game.

2. Let's see Cassel work without a huddle this week. He has done some hurry up in spurts, but let's see it was part of the normal package. Got to slow that pass rush down. Spread the field, work without a huddle and move the ball.

Oh and last year the Pats made it look like James Harrison was not even on the field. They dominated him for 4 quarters. Shutting him down again will be another big key.

Posted: 11/25/2008 12:17 PM

Re: Official Game 12 thread: Patriots vs. Steelers 


I think McD will have to deploy more weapons this week too.

The Steelers will be looking to cover Moss, Welker, and Faulk. That means that Gaffney or Evans or even Watson/Thomas should be wide open. I actually have more faith in Gaffney and Evans making the catches at this point, but the TE's are due for a big week as well. Thomas has to have a big game one of these days. If Cassel can start hitting these guys with 6-12 yarders, cover 30 or so yards in 3 or 4 quick pass plays, the Steelers will have to adjust.

BJGE could be big here because no one knows much about him yet. There isn't a lot of film for the Steelers to study. They need to hammer away at the run - even if it isn't paying off - in the first half.

This week will likely be McD's biggest test.

I agree that Ben seems most dangerous on the move. He doesn't run well and throws a lot of picks, but he makes a lot of big plays when he gets flushed from the pocket and he's a load to bring down. He can shrug off a blitzing CB or S. I think Mayo or Merriweather, with their speed and hitting, could be ideal for containing Ben.

Posted: 11/25/2008 12:40 PM

Re: Official Game 12 thread: Patriots vs. Steelers 


This is my week to write why the Patriots will lose. I hope I'm wrong. This is another big game for the Patriots. It will be an interesting game. I'll be there in person to cheer the Pat's on as usual.

Posted: 11/25/2008 12:48 PM

Re: Official Game 12 thread: Patriots vs. Steelers 


I'm kind of expecting the Pats to use a similar attack offensively to the one they used last year.  Try to get Welker isolated one on one and when the Steelers send their pressure, keep hitting Welker quickly in the vacated area.  Then if the safeties try to creep up to help, take some shots 20-30 yards deep to Moss.

I think the most important thing will be to mix up the play calling, to keep them guessing.  If they are running the ball in predictable run play situations, the running game won't do a thing.  They need to pick their spots and probably include some draws and screens.

Defensively they need to get some kind of pressure on Ben.  That's been their achilles heal, giving up sacks, so the Pats need to find some way to do it.  Again, maybe show some different things like a CB blitz or send Mayo or something like that.  I think they can handle the Steelers run game, but since November of last year the Pats D has made far worse QB's than Ben look like Pro-Bowlers, so they need improve their pass coverage by improving the pass rush.

Last edited 11/25/2008 1:28 PM by TNPatsFan

  • Str8steel
  • Grunt
  • Rating: 0.0/5 this site
  • 18 posts this site

Posted: 11/25/2008 1:25 PM

Re: Official Game 12 thread: Patriots vs. Steelers 




----GinoC wrote: ---------------

They will need a balanced attack here, and they have the horses to do it.  I suspect way more dinking and dunking, with a few down field attempts. They will mix in the RBs. Morris & Lawfirm needs to slam the hole. This is the type of game that Faulk could be the leading receiver. 

Agreed ST may be the key.  Hobbs and Welker need good returns.

Ben has had issues with the Pats D but can light it up.  It actually seems he's better when flushed from the pocket.  Contain him.  The Pittsburgh running attack isn't what it once was but is still dangerous.

This will be phsyical, and I'm sure close -  a FG decides it.  Once thing perhaps in the Pats favor is that Pittsburgh plays Dallas and Baltimore after them.  Three very physical games.

---------------------------------------------
You'll have to enlighten me why the games that Pittsburgh plays after NE will affect this game? Unless you're talking a playoff rematch?

Posted: 11/25/2008 1:58 PM

Re: Official Game 12 thread: Patriots vs. Steelers 


Looking too far ahead is the main thing.  But with 3 tough games like that and the AFC all bunched up, there may not even be the possibility of a playoff rematch.

Posted: 11/25/2008 2:03 PM

Re: Official Game 12 thread: Patriots vs. Steelers 


Figured I would chime in. I like to read other boards sometimes before games. However, I am not one of these you suck we are awesome people. Obviously, I am a fan of my team, and you are of yours.

The backlash on Ben right now is not warrented. The beginning of the year he was running for his life. And I think the average of 6 sacks per game for a while there made him a bit gun shy. Some sacks are from him trying to make plays, but others have been just jail breaks on him. Recently, the line has improved a little, and the Coordinator (Bruce Ariens) has finally relized a few formations just will not work. However, Ben is a guy that can run right through a defense. And is a very fluent rhytm passer. On the defensive side, this potentially is the best defense that has walked onto a field since the Ravens Super Bowl defense, and may be better. Stats don't lie. 1st overall, 1st against the run, 1st against the pas, and 1st in total points. That is amazing. The holes if any could be the short passing game. Which the Pats do very well.

Last year, I thought the Steelers had a great chance to end your run, until that little jerkoff ran his mouth. I am not a fan of Smith, and he only sees the field on special teams now. I wish he only saw the field from his TV set.  Anyway, the guy that destroys us is Brady. I hate to say it, but he is in the top 3 of all time in my book. Just doesn't make mistakes. I think Cassel has been playing extremely well, but this is a complete different situation he will see this week.

It should be a well fought, close game. I do think the Pats will end the streak of our defense not giving up 300 yards. The short passing attack will create movement. The key will be you guys converting in the red zone. For us, the key is balance. No one will tourch our D without help from our offense. So it is simple. have a solid run and pass mix, and sometimes, a punt is your best friend. Steelers by 4.

PS, whats the weather going to be like?

  • Str8steel
  • Grunt
  • Rating: 0.0/5 this site
  • 18 posts this site

Posted: 11/25/2008 3:42 PM

Re: Official Game 12 thread: Patriots vs. Steelers 




----GinoC wrote: ---------------

Looking too far ahead is the main thing.  But with 3 tough games like that and the AFC all bunched up, there may not even be the possibility of a playoff rematch.

---------------------------------------------
Nothing like playing New England, Dallas, Tennessee and Baltimore back to back, BEFORE THE PLAYOFFS start.
  • LAMBERTinMA
  • Private
  • Rating: 3.1/5 this site
  • 45 posts this site

Posted: 11/25/2008 6:09 PM

Re: Official Game 12 thread: Patriots vs. Steelers 



Str8steel wrote:

----GinoC wrote: ---------------

Looking too far ahead is the main thing.  But with 3 tough games like that and the AFC all bunched up, there may not even be the possibility of a playoff rematch.

---------------------------------------------
Nothing like playing New England, Dallas, Tennessee and Baltimore back to back, BEFORE THE PLAYOFFS start.
The Steelers outplayed the Giants and Indy before giftwrapping the games for them late in the 2nd half.  The Steelers have trouble against teams who can get a pass rush with their front 4...the Patriots cannot. The Patriots will be forced to bring LB's on the blitz. This will open up the middle of the field for Ben and he will torch them with Hines, Santonio, Miller, and Moore out of the backfield.  The Pats wil put up some points, but Cassel will be facing the #1 pass, rush, and total defense.  The Steelers will win this game convincingly IMO.

Pittsburgh 30
New England 17

Last edited 11/25/2008 6:10 PM by LAMBERTinMA

Posted: 11/25/2008 6:29 PM

Re: Official Game 12 thread: Patriots vs. Steelers 


I can guarantee they won't be forced to rush their front four, nor will they on a regular basis. 

Posted: 11/25/2008 7:16 PM

Re: Official Game 12 thread: Patriots vs. Steelers 


Anyone ever stop at Lamberts Market on rt 1 a few miles north of Gillette? I believe its in Norwood. They have another location in Dorchester. Good place to get a sandwich.

Last edited 11/25/2008 9:12 PM by Vabthang5

Posted: 11/25/2008 7:28 PM

From AccuScore, ... 


Sunday November 30, 2008 PTS TO
Pittsburgh 19.3 2.4
New England 23.8 1.5
 ,   
Fantasy Spotlight: QB Comparison YDS TD INT
Ben Roethlisberger 245.1 1.5 1.2
Matt Cassel 224.8 1.4 0.6
  • SteelerPitt
  • Grunt
  • Rating: 0.0/5 this site
  • 9 posts this site

Posted: 11/25/2008 7:57 PM

Re: Official Game 12 thread: Patriots vs. Steelers 




----Vabthang5 wrote: ---------------


Oh and last year the Pats made it look like James Harrison was not even on the field. They dominated him for 4 quarters. Shutting him down again will be another big key.

---------------------------------------------

Steelers pass rush this year is not comparable to last year. Its much much better. Last year everyone doubled up on Harrison,....we have Woodley this year and he's just as good.
  • SteelerPitt
  • Grunt
  • Rating: 0.0/5 this site
  • 9 posts this site

Posted: 11/25/2008 8:01 PM

Re: Official Game 12 thread: Patriots vs. Steelers 




----Blitz36 wrote: ---------------





Last year, I thought the Steelers had a great chance to end your run, until that little jerkoff ran his mouth. I am not a fan of Smith, and he only sees the field on special teams now. I wish he only saw the field from his TV set.  Anyway, the guy that destroys us is Brady. I hate to say it, but he is in the top 3 of all time in my book. Just doesn't make mistakes. I think Cassel has been playing extremely well, but this is a complete different situation he will see this week.



---------------------------------------------

Way to sell out your own player in front of opposing fans. Dude,..Anthony Smith messed up but the media blew what he said WAY out of proportion. He doesn't deserve this treatment from his own fans.

Posted: 11/25/2008 8:34 PM

Re: Official Game 12 thread: Patriots vs. Steelers 


I remember Woodley from the draft, he seemed like a beast, I was really hoping the Pats would grab him.

They grabbed Crable this year (who essentially stepped in to replace Woodley once he left Michigan). It will be fun to watch these two players over their careers, they play the same position, in the same type of defense and come from the same school.

Posted: 11/25/2008 11:20 PM

Re: Official Game 12 thread: Patriots vs. Steelers 


Steelers banged up too - link to Fox sports below:


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/s...ad-of-Pats-game

Posted: 11/26/2008 11:25 AM

Re: Official Game 12 thread: Patriots vs. Steelers 


Casinos have Pats -1 across the board.

Bodog has taken the game off the board. 

This is going to end up as a pick em by Sunday morning.

Last edited 11/26/2008 11:27 AM by Vabthang5

  • LAMBERTinMA
  • Private
  • Rating: 3.1/5 this site
  • 45 posts this site

Posted: 11/26/2008 11:59 AM

Re: Official Game 12 thread: Patriots vs. Steelers 



SteelerPitt wrote:

----Vabthang5 wrote: ---------------


Oh and last year the Pats made it look like James Harrison was not even on the field. They dominated him for 4 quarters. Shutting him down again will be another big key.

---------------------------------------------

Steelers pass rush this year is not comparable to last year. Its much much better. Last year everyone doubled up on Harrison,....we have Woodley this year and he's just as good.

Last year Woodley was not a factor.  This year Woodley is amongst the league leaders in sacks.  Last year Polamalu was playing on one leg, rhis year he is back to being one of the most disruptive forces in the NFL.   Pro-Bowler Aaron Smith, the heart and sould of the Steeler defense did not play.  I keep hearing all of these comparisons to last years game..this is a MUCH better Steeler defense.  The Patriots defense is an abomination. The Steelers will win this game convincingly.

Posted: 11/26/2008 1:22 PM

Re: Official Game 12 thread: Patriots vs. Steelers 


The Patriots have beaten the Steelers 6 out of the last 7 times.  Last year the Steelers had the best defense in the league and got trounced until they prove it on the field all the bragging means nothing.  The Patriots secondary is questionable, then again so is the Steelers ability to take advantage of that.  The Pats DL and LBs are amonst the best in the league.  I believe the Pats offense will bre able to move the ball even if it's with dinks and dunks. 

I think this will be a very tough, very close physical game.  I don't think either team is appreciably better than the other overall.  Pats have homefield and the better coaching staff and I think that could spell the difference.

  • LAMBERTinMA
  • Private
  • Rating: 3.1/5 this site
  • 45 posts this site

Posted: 11/26/2008 2:15 PM

Re: Official Game 12 thread: Patriots vs. Steelers 



GinoC wrote:

The Patriots have beaten the Steelers 6 out of the last 7 times.  Last year the Steelers had the best defense in the league and got trounced until they prove it on the field all the bragging means nothing.  The Patriots secondary is questionable, then again so is the Steelers ability to take advantage of that.  The Pats DL and LBs are amonst the best in the league.  I believe the Pats offense will bre able to move the ball even if it's with dinks and dunks. 

I think this will be a very tough, very close physical game.  I don't think either team is appreciably better than the other overall.  Pats have homefield and the better coaching staff and I think that could spell the difference.


The Pats LB's are amongst the best in the league??  Are you kidding me>?  Only one of them would even start for Pittsburgh!  Woodley, Harrison, and Farrior are all STUDS.  I cannot believe you are trying to elevate your mediocre LB corps to "best in the league" status! 

When are you  myopic Patriot fans going to get it through your thick skulls...This is NOT the Pats team of recent years!  They are a TERRIBLE defensive unit.  Miami has a cream-puff offense and moved the ball pretty easily for most of the game.  And again...they beat the Steelers without Aaron Smith, Ryan Clark, and a one-legged Polamalu...not to mention the fact that Woodley is an All-Pro this year and saw little action last year vs. Pats.  There will be no Anthony "Big Mouth" Smith giving you 2 TD's.  I will be surprised, naye, SHOCKED if the Pats score 21.

I think the Steelers will score at will on the Pats.  In fact, the Patriots may have the worst defense the Steelers have seen in some time.  The only weak spot I see is the injuries to CB's McFadden and Deshea Townsend.  I think Ike Taylor can slow Moss down with overtop help and I am sure Polamalu will be well aware of Mr. Welker in the slot...and Troy runs a 4.3 40...so I am not too concerned.

Posted: 11/26/2008 2:33 PM

Re: Official Game 12 thread: Patriots vs. Steelers 


The key for the Patsies on O will be stopping the Steelers pass rush. Forget about the run. I've watched the Patsies O shred the Steelers D with the spread, short passing game.

Plan to see much of the same for the Steelers. Ben took apart the Jags, SD and Cincy with a short, rhythm passing game. The running game has been so-so. Parker has been a bit gun shy this year. For my part, I'd like to see Moore back there. He's not as explosive as Parker but he's been more decisive and hitting the whole harder.

Posted: 11/26/2008 2:37 PM

Re: Official Game 12 thread: Patriots vs. Steelers 



LAMBERTinMA wrote:


When are you  myopic Patriot fans going to get it through your thick skulls...This is NOT the Pats team of recent years!  They are a TERRIBLE defensive unit.  Miami has a cream-puff offense and moved the ball pretty easily for most of the game.  And again...they beat the Steelers without Aaron Smith, Ryan Clark, and a one-legged Polamalu...not to mention the fact that Woodley is an All-Pro this year and saw little action last year vs. Pats.  There will be no Anthony "Big Mouth" Smith giving you 2 TD's.  I will be surprised, naye, SHOCKED if the Pats score 21.

I think the Steelers will score at will on the Pats.  In fact, the Patriots may have the worst defense the Steelers have seen in some time.  The only weak spot I see is the injuries to CB's McFadden and Deshea Townsend.  I think Ike Taylor can slow Moss down with overtop help and I am sure Polamalu will be well aware of Mr. Welker in the slot...and Troy runs a 4.3 40...so I am not too concerned.

The most important defensive stat would be points allowed.  The Pats are 8th in scoring defense. 

They are also 12th in Total Defense, 13th in Rushing Defense, and 18th in Passing Defense.  Certainly not as good as Pitt but hardly "terrible". 

Pitt's offense, on the other hand, is 26th in Total Offense, 23rd in Points Scored, 18th in Passing Offense, and 24th in Rushing Offense.  I'd say it's a bit presumptious to assume the Steelers will score "at will" against the Pats. 

The Pats offense, by the way, is 7th in Total Offense, 10th in Points Scored, 10th in Passing Offense, and 7th in Rushing Offense.  I see no reason why they can't score more than 21 this week.

One other thing, there's no way Polamalu runs a 4.3.  That's just ridiculous.  Regardless of what he runs, pass coverage is his weakness (see AFC Championship game when he repeatedly got burned), so if he wants to cover Welker one on one, the Pats will gladly take that matchup.

Posted: 11/26/2008 2:38 PM

Re: Official Game 12 thread: Patriots vs. Steelers 


Hey Lambert, the Pats have given up the 4th fewest points in the AFC!!!!!!

Hard to believe, isn't it????

We gave up less pts to Indy than you!!!!!

All it is is STATS!!!

I do believe it will all come down to coaching!!!  Oh, oh!!!

Posted: 11/26/2008 2:38 PM

Re: Official Game 12 thread: Patriots vs. Steelers 



Patsie wrote:

ON D - The Pats want to get Big Ben to run out of the pocket.
Once hes out there, hes not as flexible, kind of stiff.
You want to make him throw on the run, if you can.
Otherwise, in the pocket he is so strong he can be deadly and
throws a 100 mph fastball, so to speak.

Actually, that's exactly the opposite of how you want to defend Roethlisberger. You want to keep him inside the pocket. Teams have finally started to do that well this year.

Posted: 11/26/2008 3:34 PM

Re: Official Game 12 thread: Patriots vs. Steelers 


Also bear in mind the Pats O for weeks 1-6 isn't nearly the same as 7-12. The stat is deceiving.

Losing Rodney and Adalius has clearly hurt the D as those are the guys who ran things on-field. After last week, though, I think BB will spend a whole lot of time on the D.
  Page of 3  Next >