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Official Game 6 thread - Patriots vs. Broncos

Posted: 10/14/2008 11:31 AM

Official Game 6 thread - Patriots vs. Broncos 


                                          


                NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS (3-2) vs. DENVER BRONCOS (4-2)


This is the OFFICIAL  game thread for Monday night's game.  Anything related to the game goes in this thread. Duplicate threads are either merged or deleted.

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Last edited 10/19/2008 10:17 PM by Morpheus11

Posted: 10/14/2008 12:03 PM

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I'm not comfortable with this game at all. The Broncos are always a tough game, but now with the Pats in such disarray we never know who'll be trotting out on the field for New England.

I would *love* to see them start O'Connell. But I'd also love to see the defense play semi-decent.

Posted: 10/14/2008 12:26 PM

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I said it two or three years ago on the board if the Patriots lose Brady they have NO CHANCE at a Super Bowl. I said McD sucks, I said the OL is lousy..I said I said I said.
Now  I'm saying I'm starting to look at draft prospects in the top 15.  The Patriots may not make the playoffs this year. As soon as The Morpheus Report is published I'll see f people agree. Getting back to the game, Cutler has be to happy as a kid in a candy store. Marshall has to be besides himself and Shanahan has to be giddy.

WHY?
 
Because they are playing a team that cannot get pressure on the QB, defensive backs are overmatched physically and can't do anything with physical receivers, has a QB who can't see more than one receiver per play and instead of moving up in the pocket to buy time he runs straight into pressure with his head down. They know if the Patriots are down 7 or 10 to a good team they are toast because he can bring them back.

Posted: 10/14/2008 1:09 PM

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This game reminds me of my early school days "Duck and cover".

Cutler is capable of a major brain fart and that's about their only chance. I'll say 36 - 23 Broncos.

Posted: 10/14/2008 1:34 PM

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Brandon Marshall scares the heck out of me in this game. Cutler is legit and Marshall is a big WRer that the Pats will have trouble covering.


But what is going to interest me the most in this game is some of the one on one physical matchups. The Pats need guys like Koppen, Mankins, Warren, Wilfork and Seymour to start winnings one on ones (or wilfork winning his two on one).

The Pats used to do that, now they don't. That is scary.

Posted: 10/14/2008 4:50 PM

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Marshall is a beast.  Playing against the Patriots no pass rush having, no sacks making, non covering defense to Marshall must be like a a fat kid having cake. He can get fat on the lack of coveragre, and lack of pressure on the QB by the Patriots defense.

Posted: 10/15/2008 12:14 AM

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Yet one more reason to put O'C in - it'll likely be ugly and I don't know if Cassel can handle another thrashing.

Posted: 10/15/2008 4:45 AM

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Whats goin on guys? Bronco fan here, just checking in with ya.

First off, I think Morpheus said this team would be toast if Brady got hurt. Thats nothing to be ashamed about, there arent many teams that can lose their starter and even win half of their remaining games, let alone get into the playoffs and make any impact. The injury bug sucks, and you guys got bit by the biggest one out there.

OK, Ill give ya my thoughts on the game. I havent been keeping close watch on your games, at least not in the sense of observing how the different factions of the team is playing, but I heard some posters mention your inability to rush the QB. If this is true, this does not bode well for you, because our O-line has been playing OUTSTANDING with the addition of our first rounder Ryan Clady, who seems guaranteed to see many Pro-Bowls if not the Hall of Fame.( I know its early to say that, but this kid is amazing.) We ARE Denver, so the ability to run is going to be there....Selvin Young is hurt, not sure for how long, but we have plenty of talent to make up for it. Michael Pittman is revitalizing his career, and bringing some nasty to our lineup that we havent seen since we traded Mike Anderson. Now, Cutler and friends came out of the gate firing on all cylinders...for the first three games...The last three we have seen the kind of mistakes you would expect from a 3rd year QB, no matter his talent. Brandon Marshall is a beast, and probably the hardest back to tackle in the league, but his drive for more yards ATC has led to him getting stripped and turning the ball over. Eddie Royal is looking like the clear cut RoY, but he was hurt the last game and I'm not sure if he will play. Now the main problem here, is Cutler seems just a little TOO confident in that cannon of his.....Instead of checking down to the safer pass(AT least three of his INT's came at a time when he had someone else WIDE OPEN) he seems to think he can just zip that baby into Marshall whenever he wants. Well, people have got some tape on him now, and know to expect that zinger, and have been getting ome picks off of him. TE Tony Scheffler, Cutlers 2nd favorite target, IS OUT for this game, but we have some skill at the position, and as long as Cutler plays smart, we should do fine. That is key for us, Cutler playing smart. Both losses this year have one constant...Cutler having MULTIPLE turnovers. I admit Im thankful that Samuel is gone, as he is the type of player to REALLY make Cutler pay for any mistakes, and O' Neal just isn't at that level. Bill Bellichik IS an outstanding defensive mind however, and I could see him having a very clever plan to try to get some turnovers.

On D.....WHile Id never WANT a player to be hurt, or be glad he is hurt, I must admit I'm damn thankful that Tom Brady won't get a shot at us here. We have been attrocious, nearly last in the league at everything, and I would imagine Tom would put up at least 60 points on us, despite the fact that the D has shown some improvement the last few weeks. This is potentially a game for Cassel to shine, because our defensive line has been playing as poorly as our O-line has been playing good. We have NO pass rush AT ALL, unless we blitz hard, but we have shown a tendency to only do this in the 2nd and 3rd quarters then switch into a 3-4(despite NOT having anywhere close to the necessary personel to do this) and trying to cover, and it simply doesnt work. Lets put it this way...Damon Huard and the KC Chiefs scored 33 points on us....Yea, its that bad.....SOme improvement in the weeks since then, but nothing really worth mentioning.

Ive said all this for almost every game now. This will come down to turnovers...Now we havent generated alot, and I wouldn't expect that to change...So it comes down to Cutler playing smart....If he plays smart and spreads it around, keeping turnovers to a minimum, we should be able to win this. If he throws a couple stupid picks and we see a lost fumble, you guys could very well win, even if Bellichik himself suited up to come play QB.

Ill throw a prediction out...Im gonna assume Cutler and the offense has gotten their asses chewed for the dumb stuffed that happened against Jacksonville, and are going to play better football fundamentally...Throw in that you guys simply dont have Tom Brady, and I've got to have a fairly decent feeling about this game, and think we will come out on top...My team has been too inconsistent for me to even try to guess on the score however.

I could also see how I could be totally wrong.

Anyways, lets have a good game, and for petes sake no more injuries for bopth of us!


P.S- I goptta admit Im kinda desperate for a win here.....If we lose to you after the Chargers have won, the inevitable smack talk from their POS fanbase will be almost too much to bear.

Last edited 10/15/2008 4:47 AM by RaZeRbLaDeS

Posted: 10/15/2008 9:00 AM

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Razer the thing is even if Cutler does turn the ball over the Patriots don't have a QB who could make them pay. Matt Cassel if the first receiver is covered will either tuck teh ball and run into the defense or get sacked. Or throw wide or throw the ball on the ground. He couldn'd even get the Patriots into the end zone on first and goal.

Posted: 10/15/2008 12:48 PM

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Morph, one thing you're underestimating is how bad the Bronco's D is. They are 32nd against the pass and 26th against the run. They can't really rush the passer either. I realize that you're pretty much only able to see the negatives at this point, but the Bronco's D is BAD. Don't forget, they lost to KC a few weeks ago 33-19.

Posted: 10/15/2008 2:20 PM

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Morpheus11 wrote: Razer the thing is even if Cutler does turn the ball over the Patriots don't have a QB who could make them pay. Matt Cassel if the first receiver is covered will either tuck teh ball and run into the defense or get sacked. Or throw wide or throw the ball on the ground. He couldn'd even get the Patriots into the end zone on first and goal.

That was mostly poor play calling.  They did very well at it vs SF.  He also checked down vs SF.  I think Cassel is at least capable of scoring on a mediocre defense from that range. 

I put Cassel in the same level of sucktitude as Losman (which sucks).

Posted: 10/15/2008 3:44 PM

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I'm not going to make a prediction for this game because I really just don't know. I will say however that playing at home, getting embarrassed by the Chargers last week and the fact that this is another Prime time game should be motivation enough for them to play well and win.

Posted: 10/15/2008 4:10 PM

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Here we go. Everything you wanted to know about the Patriots and Broncos.

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Last edited 10/15/2008 4:20 PM by Division

Posted: 10/15/2008 8:03 PM

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Im with Dok,  this is going to be a tough game for the Pats to win.  The Broncos may have some problems with their defense but the Pats will be in trouble with their Oline.  Matt Light out of practice today, Kazur out. Something up with Ma Boy Mankins.  This game won't be pretty.   Good thing its home.  The defense is going to have to win this game.   One good thing about  our defense.  You can bet after last week Deltha O will come out blasting against the Broncs.

Posted: 10/15/2008 10:40 PM

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I think O'Neal, Harrison, Hobbs, Bruschi - all of them - will come out like Berserkers this week. They were embarrassed at home and then a few weeks later in prime time. Some of the players may be old, but they're too damn smart, skilled, and proud to let this keep happening. They'll find a way.

I think it starts with the front seven - it's a lot harder to burn our secondary when their QB is picking grass out of his helmet. What made our championship teams was the D - it has to start there again. If Cassel knows that if he goes 3-and-out that the D will get him the ball back 4 plays later that takes a ton of pressure off him and the offense.

And McD needs to stay with the run. Use Green-Ellis. Use everyone who can carry the damn ball. Keep the defense off the field - keep the fresh - so they can force turn-overs. And when the Broncos start expecting the run, channel a little of that Weiss magic and chuck it deep to Moss or Gaffney.

And if it's 3rd and goal at the 1 again - damn - bring Wilfork in as a FB and let him clear a hole. Stop being so freakin' predictable.

I think the Pats can win if they get their act together. If they think they can still phone it in and win ... uh ... no.

Posted: 10/15/2008 11:56 PM

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chrism wrote: Morph, one thing you're underestimating is how bad the Bronco's D is. They are 32nd against the pass and 26th against the run. They can't really rush the passer either. I realize that you're pretty much only able to see the negatives at this point, but the Bronco's D is BAD. Don't forget, they lost to KC a few weeks ago 33-19.


ARe we that bad?

I had thought the Tampa game had boosted us up into the, oh, 25th area for passing. Not like the distinction means much at that level of ineptitude.

 

There isnt any "Cant really" about our pass here man. There is simply, WE CANNOT RUSH THE PASSER WITH ONLY 4D-LINEMAN.

Sure, we lost to KC 33-19....But we also beat San Diego 39-38, so our offence is able to play as good as the D plays bad.

Anyways, like I say, this could go alot of different ways.

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Posted: 10/16/2008 10:53 AM

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With the obvious parity in this league this season, I wouldn't count the Pats out just yet. The parity seems to apply to the Pats because we are on a win 1 week, lose 1 week streak since the Jets game. With that pattern, we should win this game! But like many have said, I think this game needs to be won by our defense because as long as Cassel is our QB, I don't have confidence that Randy Moss is going to be a huge factor and he is our biggest weapon. Cassel tends to underthrow him and that is just not how you use a great deep threat like Moss. What keeps me positive is seeing really how wide open the AFC is this season, so nothing's over until it's over folks! GO PATS!!!!!!!

One thing I want to say to Razer Bronco fan, I respect your views on your team and the Pats, however, we all know that you guys got lucky to beat the Chargers in that game because of that stupid blown call.  Not that I care who the winner is or was of that game, but when I see a bad call jeopardize the outcome of a game, it bugs me!  Good luck Monday night and for the rest of the season!

Last edited 10/16/2008 11:09 AM by prat3t

Posted: 10/17/2008 1:55 AM

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got lucky?

I understand there was a bad call, but maybe if they had stopped us from hanging 31 points on em in the first half, the bad call may not have mattered so much hmmmm?

Posted: 10/17/2008 7:50 AM

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Denver [+3] @ NEP ~ Man, since I know that "Mr. Genius" himself has put the kabash on signing a veteran to QB this team, I'm taking Denver and the points.  I can not change his choice but, I do not have to respect it !

The opposing teams are salavating(sp) with his choice.  SDC had a crappy defense too and, I'm still trying to figure out what happened on that 1ST and goal from the 1 yard line............. Must have been our slow, aging defenses' fault. Or perhaps, Moss quit on his route. We all know the OL failed.  Did the RB's really have a chance? Naaaaa..........

Denver will give NE their hands full !

Posted: 10/17/2008 9:41 AM

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SD was ranked DEAD LAST in pass defense when they played the Patriots. And they touched the Pat's on offense. Now the Chargers didn't have Marshall as a WR.  (Marshall was one of those players picked in the middle rounds I was ranting on the Patriots taking. Instead he is with Denver and the Patriots to that point still needed receivers)

Marshall is a best. Royal is damn fast reminds me of the Jackson from Philly who played well in preseason against the Patriots.

Broncos can score, can't see the Patriots getting inot t shoot-out with them. If the Broncos go up by 14 points it's over. 10 points and it probable over too.

 

Posted: 10/17/2008 10:22 AM

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If the Pats can pull this one out, even if its a close one, maybe we can breath a little easyer.  I see the Broncos at least as good as the Bolts.   A win on monday will do a lot to restore confidance..

Hey, this may be one of those good week / bad week seasons.  I just hope they can get past the (never thought Id say this) Bill and make it into the playoffs.  By then maybe cohesion and a level of comfort will have been attained.

I always go with the Pats / Pats 17 - Broncos 13

Posted: 10/17/2008 11:01 AM

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Morpheus11 wrote:

SD was ranked DEAD LAST in pass defense when they played the Patriots. And they touched the Pat's on offense. Now the Chargers didn't have Marshall as a WR.  (Marshall was one of those players picked in the middle rounds I was ranting on the Patriots taking. Instead he is with Denver and the Patriots to that point still needed receivers)

Marshall is a best. Royal is damn fast reminds me of the Jackson from Philly who played well in preseason against the Patriots.

Broncos can score, can't see the Patriots getting inot t shoot-out with them. If the Broncos go up by 14 points it's over. 10 points and it probable over too.

 

Morpheus11 ~

Well, here's a huge part of the problem. Going with the team they HAVE and it's clearly the team they wanted (or aquired by way of FA ) Speedy WR's with hands.  First it was Welker. then Stallworth, then Moss. ............ You have weapons among the best of the best in the game.  Don't look for NE to get into a shoot out with anyone because they can't.  Over 80% of NE's passes are 10 yards or less which was reported during last games telecast.

  Emphasizing the pass as opposed to the run and, even with that, they go and sign Lemont J. No slouch.  So whats the problem here? The current version of the NEP are geered up for passing, a strategy that put them at 18 and 1 last year.  So whats the problem here? Who or what is missing here?

Posted: 10/17/2008 11:25 AM

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Morpheus11 wrote:

SD was ranked DEAD LAST in pass defense when they played the Patriots. And they touched the Pat's on offense. Now the Chargers didn't have Marshall as a WR.  (Marshall was one of those players picked in the middle rounds I was ranting on the Patriots taking. Instead he is with Denver and the Patriots to that point still needed receivers)

Marshall is a best. Royal is damn fast reminds me of the Jackson from Philly who played well in preseason against the Patriots.

Broncos can score, can't see the Patriots getting inot t shoot-out with them. If the Broncos go up by 14 points it's over. 10 points and it probable over too.

 


I sincerly hope someone has been in Cutler's grill ALL WEEK about playing smart and checking down.

The first three games they proved they can score at will when playong well.

Against Tampa, they proved they could be patient and not turn the ball over.

Against KC and Jacksonville, they proved they could turn the ball over just as well as Jake Plummer or Rex Grossman.


Like I said on my board, I have no idea what Denver team will come out, and go with the 100% pure homer pick.

Denver-more
New England-less


I could also see our guys coming out thinking they got this one in the bag, due to Denver "always" beating NE, and getting worked up and down both sides of the field. Hey, KC did it.......Its a mystery to me.

Posted: 10/17/2008 1:09 PM

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The only hope I see is that Cutler throws a couple of INT's (one being returned for a touchdown and Cassel gets lucky and throw a TD to Moss where one of the Denver defenders falls down.

Posted: 10/17/2008 2:02 PM

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Starting to get comical.

 

Maroney and Jordan have not practiced all week.  Disappointing.

Posted: 10/17/2008 2:36 PM

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Good luck Pats fans

Defensively, Denver is just bad.  They aren't tackling, they overpursue, and for the most part they look lost out there.  I'm expecting both Morris and Cassel to put up impressive stats against us.  You migh think Cassel is bad...but any QB playing Denver is good.  I woudn't expect a lot of direct passes to Moss down field, we do have Champ Bailey out there (remember him ) and as bad as the d is, he still doesn't get tested.  If Cassel decides to try to do it,  he'll probably be picked off.  I'm sure Moss is going to see some action though, maybe underneath, maybe a missed tackle and a big run, but I don't see any big bombs coming. 

The zone like 10-15 yards out between LB's and safeties will be wide open all day for you.    Actually, we also give up a lot of yards to runningbacks, on screens and stuff.  Our defenders always seem out of position, and NE is good at screens, so look for Morris to have a big day not just running...but catching out of the backfield.  But we can't stop the run either, so any way you put it, but Morris on your fantasy roster. 

Offensively, we can score quickly, and we can move the ball running or passing.  You'll hear a lot of Brandon Marshall this week even though Belichick has a reputation for taking away the best thing on offense.

Posted: 10/17/2008 2:48 PM

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Jarvis Green was out from practice too. Not good.

Well, maybe Green-Ellis will provide a youthful spark for the RB corps.

Posted: 10/17/2008 3:03 PM

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I like Morris, I think he is a good back, I think he can be a work horse, but he is not a big play threat.

You could make a good argument that Maroney is a not a big play threat either, at least by the way he was playing, but Maroney at least had speed to be a threat (acourse that would mean hitting a damn hole hard).

I wonder if Green-Ellis can catch the football?  I would like to see the Pats get some speed on the edge of the Denver defense.

Posted: 10/18/2008 1:23 PM

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That video someone pointed to a few days ago of G-E working out indicated he had really good hands and great vision. It'd be nice to see a kid like that make an impact - because it may also shake Maroney out of whatever "issues" he's having.

Posted: 10/18/2008 3:36 PM

From AccuScore, - the Pats by a nose, ... 


Monday October 20, 2008 PTS TO
Denver 22.4 2.1
New England 24.7 1.8
 ,   
Fantasy Spotlight: QB Comparison YDS TD INT
Jay Cutler 234.7 1.5 1.0
Matt Cassel 233.2 1.5 0.8
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