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Official Game 4 thread. NE Patriots vs SF 49ers.

Posted: 9/29/2008 9:39 PM

Official Game 4 thread. NE Patriots vs SF 49ers. 



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Official thread for game 4.  You know the drill, everything concerning the game goes here in the
official thread.


San Francisco Illustrated (on Scout.com)
49ers forums

San Fran Chronicle
Contra Costa Times

Last edited 9/30/2008 10:38 AM by Morpheus11

Posted: 9/29/2008 9:55 PM

Re: Official Game 4 thread. NE Patriots vs SF 49ers. 


One good thing about this game is we'll get to see Morph's favorite player Patrick Willis.

 

As for the Pats, I have absolutely no idea what to expect from them this week.  Just hope they can get a win before they have to face San Diego.

Posted: 9/29/2008 10:42 PM

Re: Official Game 4 thread. NE Patriots vs SF 49ers. 


The Patriots need to win this Sunday, because they could be looking at a 5-0 Bills team come Sunday night.

Last edited 9/29/2008 10:43 PM by Division

Posted: 9/30/2008 8:23 AM

RE: Official Game 4 thread. NE Patriots vs SF 49ers. 


This is one of those games that comes along throughout a typical season; A MUST win! If we are serious about looking forward to a legitamit claim to the playoffs this is one of the games on our schedule that we need to win.

SF is a decent team, with a nice offense under Martz, and on the cusp of the playoffs themselves I think, so this should be a decent measure of where we are, especially after the bye, and the Defense amped up to prove themselves...

If we can go 3-1 in the first Qrt and maybe split the next Qrt of the season, we could posisbly be seeing a 5-3 team at the half-way point. The 2nd-half of the schedule is going to be tough!!!

The Bills schedule looks to be one of the easiest...

Posted: 9/30/2008 12:54 PM

RE: Official Game 4 thread. NE Patriots vs SF 49ers. 


Pats spending week in California

BillBelichick decided the best way to deal with back-to-back West Coastgames is to keep the team in California between contests against SanFrancisco and San Diego. Arizona had consecutive East Coast games aftera 2-0 start, first against Washington then the New York Jets. TheCardinals lost both games, finishing the trip Sunday by gettingpummelled by the Jets, 56-35. Will the Pats, who are leaving Friday,need to guard against having too much down time? "I'm not a guy wholikes to fly a whole lot anyway, especially four or five hours in theair," defensive end Richard Seymour said. "Obviously, it didn't workout too well for (Arizona). We just have to understand we're on abusiness trip and take care of business." Special teams captain LarryIzzo offered a similar theme. "Physically, coming back from a WestCoast trip takes a little longer to recover," Izzo said. "And we're allbig boys. I think we have guys in here who understand that. I thinkit'll work out well." -- Boston Herald

Posted: 9/30/2008 1:45 PM

RE: Official Game 4 thread. NE Patriots vs SF 49ers. 


Yeah, because that worked out really well for the Cardinals didn't it?

Posted: 9/30/2008 2:05 PM

RE: Official Game 4 thread. NE Patriots vs SF 49ers. 



Hunter07 wrote:

Pats spending week in California

BillBelichick decided the best way to deal with back-to-back West Coastgames is to keep the team in California between contests against SanFrancisco and San Diego. Arizona had consecutive East Coast games aftera 2-0 start, first against Washington then the New York Jets. TheCardinals lost both games, finishing the trip Sunday by gettingpummelled by the Jets, 56-35. Will the Pats, who are leaving Friday,need to guard against having too much down time? "I'm not a guy wholikes to fly a whole lot anyway, especially four or five hours in theair," defensive end Richard Seymour said. "Obviously, it didn't workout too well for (Arizona). We just have to understand we're on abusiness trip and take care of business." Special teams captain LarryIzzo offered a similar theme. "Physically, coming back from a WestCoast trip takes a little longer to recover," Izzo said. "And we're allbig boys. I think we have guys in here who understand that. I thinkit'll work out well." -- Boston Herald
I think thats a smart move, imo anyway.

Posted: 9/30/2008 2:31 PM

RE: Official Game 4 thread. NE Patriots vs SF 49ers. 



chrism wrote: Yeah, because that worked out really well for the Cardinals didn't it?

As long as they don't follow the Cards plan of spending the week going to museums and plays and doing everything BUT preparing for the game, it should work out fine.

Posted: 9/30/2008 3:00 PM

RE: Official Game 4 thread. NE Patriots vs SF 49ers. 


It doesn't matter whether they stay there or fly back to Boston and back to the left coast. They way they played against Miami not stopping the run and doing nothing offensively they will be losing to the Chargers anyway. So they might as well stay and yuck it up.  This one could be like a couple of years ago and get ugly. I truly hope I'm wrong.

Memo to Matt Cassel: Patrick Willis says he is coming to get you! The NFL has instituted a mercy policy on this game. Willis is only allowed to come in from the right side of the Patriots offensive offensive line 4 times in the game.

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Posted: 9/30/2008 3:38 PM

RE: Official Game 4 thread. NE Patriots vs SF 49ers. 



Hunter07 wrote:

Pats spending week in California

BillBelichick decided the best way to deal with back-to-back West Coastgames is to keep the team in California between contests against SanFrancisco and San Diego. Arizona had consecutive East Coast games aftera 2-0 start, first against Washington then the New York Jets. TheCardinals lost both games, finishing the trip Sunday by gettingpummelled by the Jets, 56-35. Will the Pats, who are leaving Friday,need to guard against having too much down time? "I'm not a guy wholikes to fly a whole lot anyway, especially four or five hours in theair," defensive end Richard Seymour said. "Obviously, it didn't workout too well for (Arizona). We just have to understand we're on abusiness trip and take care of business." Special teams captain LarryIzzo offered a similar theme. "Physically, coming back from a WestCoast trip takes a little longer to recover," Izzo said. "And we're allbig boys. I think we have guys in here who understand that. I thinkit'll work out well." -- Boston Herald


Hunter TY for that.  An Absolutely great and smart move by Belichick to keep them there all week and not screw around with their body clocks like that.




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Posted: 9/30/2008 8:31 PM

RE: Official Game 4 thread. NE Patriots vs SF 49ers. 


From the 49er's board, ...

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5 reasons why we have a chance against the Pats 


1. Tom Brady is not starting. I know this is obvious, but I think it is clearly evident that Matt Cassel can not and will not run this offense like Tom Brady. Tom Brady is an all-pro quarterback, and Matt Cassel has been a career backup ever since his days at USC. Brady was hardly sacked, but Cassell has been sacked 9 times already this season. He has a decent QB rating of 87.0, but he has only thrown 2 TD passes to 1 interception. The offense is back to their early days of Brady. Run the ball more and try to control the clock. The offense will not explode on us like it would have with Brady, so we should be in the game the entire way through. New England currently ranks 28th in the NFL in Yards Per Game.

2. While the Niners defense has struggled ranking 22nd in the league allowing 336 YPG, the Patriots are only one spot ahead of them at 21 allowing 334 YPG. It is clear that the Patriots defense has been stellar the past few years because of the offense. The defense is growing old and showed that they can be beaten like Miami did. Run the ball with Gore, control the clock, and we will wear this defense out.

3. Our secondary was exposed last week, but that was because we may have been going against the BEST QB in the NFL right now, and we got zero pressure on him. Like Cassel is no Brady, he is no Drew Brees either. San Francisco has made average quarterbacks struggle, even with big playmaking wide receivers. Kitna could not get Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson involved, and the secondary did a great job vs Boldin/Fitzgerald. In mind mind, the Lions and Cardinals receiving duo is better than Moss/Welker. In the two games that Cassel has started... Moss has a combined 6 catches for 47 yards. Welker has a combined 13 catches for 127 yards. The fact is, Moss nor Welker are the same recievers with Cassel running the offense. Our secondary will bounce back and play well.

4. Much like many fans on here think, the Patriots have played NOBODY. After Brady went out, they held off Kansas City in New England. They went to the New York Jets and beat a Jets team that still has not found out how to play with Brett Favre (maybe they found out against Arizona.) Then they got BLOWN out by Miami in New England. Everybody is still praising how good this New England team is, but look at their schedule and the results. It can easily be argued that the Patriots have played an easier schedule to this point than the 49ers have played. The team is very beatable. A backup QB, wide receivers not producing, and an aging defense give the Niners alot of hope in this game.

5. This 2008 team has alot to play for Sunday. One of the greatest 49ers in history is getting his jersey retired. This should fire up the team about the great history of the San Francisco 49ers. In the 49ers minds, they should be thinking, we are playing a team that was undefeated until the Superbowl last season, we are playing the team of this decade... lets go show everyone that we are going to compete all season.

Posted: 9/30/2008 10:05 PM

Beware the Angry Patriots 


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2 008/09/29/SPML137QCS.DTL

You don't want to play the Patriots. You don't want to face a team that was crushed 38-13 by the Dolphins - the Dolphins! - on Sept. 21, handing New England its worst home loss in 10 years and ending the Pats' 21-game regular-season winning streak. Meaning, of course, coach Bill Belichick's scowl has been scrunching up his face for two weeks after Sunday's bye.

But the NFL schedule says it's so: New England at San Francisco.

Here's where Tom Brady's injury that has knocked him out for the year becomes a real shame. Brady, the San Mateo kid from Serra High, has never played in San Francisco as a pro - and it appears he might not, ever, unless he's still New England's quarterback in 2016 (when the Patriots play the Niners in ... Santa Clara?). Somehow, that seems wrong.

Next week

-- Opponent: Patriots

-- When: Sunday

-- Where: Candlestick Park

-- Time: 1:15 p.m.

-- Records: Patriots (2-1) 49ers (2-2)

Posted: 9/30/2008 11:24 PM

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Staying out on the road may else help bring everyone together some more. That whole Guadalcanal kind of feel of being in the trenches and away from home.

A year ago I'd say the 9'ers were in for a serious beating after the Pats embarrassed themselves a week ago. But I honestly don't know what kind of team Belichick will trot out onto the field. I hope Cassel has made vast improvement. But more than that I hope the defense comes to play. Against the 9'ers, the D can win the game for us and give Cassel more time to develop into the role. If the D isn't there, we'll lose. Period.

Posted: 10/1/2008 7:26 AM

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Not to mention that the Pats have NEVER won at Candlestick.

Posted: 10/1/2008 7:29 AM

From Accuscore, ... 


Sunday October 5, 2008 PTS TO
New England 21.9 1.3
San Francisco 16.6 2
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Fantasy Spotlight: QB Comparison YDS TD INT
Matt Cassel 215.5 1.3 0.6
J.T. O'Sullivan 192.5 0.9 0.9

Posted: 10/1/2008 7:57 AM

Re: From Accuscore, ... 


If this is successful  they have another two week western swing vs Seattle and Oakland in Dec.  I think it's smart, they are used to practicing on the road.  As long as they stuck to business, it's a good move.

Gostkowski is a huge part of this offense.  I think Cassel has done a fairly good job getting them in scoring range, but the red zone offense has not been very good. My prediction 22 - 10 Pats on 5 FGs and a deep TD pass to Moss

Posted: 10/1/2008 8:20 AM

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Gino I agree about Cassel here, - he's been on a VERY short leash. Purely a guess of course, but I think the Pats will let him "air it out" at least 2-3 times.
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Posted: 10/1/2008 10:11 AM

Re: Beware the Angry Patriots 



dokgonzo wrote: Staying out on the road may else help bring everyone together some more. That whole Guadalcanal kind of feel of being in the trenches and away from home.

A year ago I'd say the 9'ers were in for a serious beating after the Pats embarrassed themselves a week ago. But I honestly don't know what kind of team Belichick will trot out onto the field. I hope Cassel has made vast improvement. But more than that I hope the defense comes to play. Against the 9'ers, the D can win the game for us and give Cassel more time to develop into the role. If the D isn't there, we'll lose. Period.

DokG,


This should be a blowout, imo. SF is in the worst division in all of football, top to bottom.  Pats D will figure out a way to solve whoever JT O Sullivan is.








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Posted: 10/1/2008 3:52 PM

Re: Beware the Angry Patriots 



Patsie wrote:
dokgonzo wrote: Staying out on the road may else help bring everyone together some more. That whole Guadalcanal kind of feel of being in the trenches and away from home.

A year ago I'd say the 9'ers were in for a serious beating after the Pats embarrassed themselves a week ago. But I honestly don't know what kind of team Belichick will trot out onto the field. I hope Cassel has made vast improvement. But more than that I hope the defense comes to play. Against the 9'ers, the D can win the game for us and give Cassel more time to develop into the role. If the D isn't there, we'll lose. Period.

DokG,


This should be a blowout, imo. SF is in the worst division in all of football, top to bottom.  Pats D will figure out a way to solve whoever JT O Sullivan is.








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One would think so, but I dont expect it. You can't blow out anyone with field goals. Cassel has done a decent job getting into the Red Zone but the offense has failed to get the ball in for TDs. TDs 4/28 points FGs 7/21 points. Not to impressive.

But you never know.....this could be the week. Keeping my fingers Xed.

Posted: 10/1/2008 4:21 PM

Re: Beware the Angry Patriots 


The 9'ers aren't that bad a team. When they win they're putting up 30+ points per game - we have yet to score 20 in a game. They need this game in a big way because the Chargers will be looking to settle old scores a week after. With the Bills likely being 5-0 by the time the Pats return to Foxboro, having a 2-3 record at that point isn't acceptable.

As important as Cassel's play is, the defense is more important. We aren't going to out-gun the Bolts with Cassel - not 10 days from now, anyway. And they may not even be able to out-score the 9'ers this week. So turn-overs will be where we need to generate the extra points. Like the way the Pats won their SB's.

We have some good younger and younger players - Meriweather, Hobbs, Mayo. And plenty of cagey veterans. There's no reason this defensive unit shouldn't be holding opponents to 14 points and generating 2-4 INT's and 3-5 sacks per game.

BB and Pees need to get creative like they used to - play a 5-2-4 alignment - just because - get nutty. Maybe it'll rub off on McD.

Posted: 10/2/2008 12:08 PM

Re: Official Game 4 thread. NE Patriots vs SF 49ers. 


Hawks fan here....

Sorry about Brady and kick the fortywhiners a$$ this weekend! You guys will handle them fine!

Posted: 10/4/2008 3:38 PM

Re: Official Game 4 thread. NE Patriots vs SF 49ers. 


2. While the Niners defense has struggled ranking 22nd in the league allowing 336 YPG, the Patriots are only one spot ahead of them at 21 allowing 334 YPG. It is clear that the Patriots defense has been stellar the past few years because of the offense. The defense is growing old and showed that they can be beaten like Miami did. Run the ball with Gore, control the clock, and we will wear this defense out.

The performance of the defense last game had nothing to do with "getting old and slow,"  the Patriots are younger than last year! With Mayo, Woods and Guyton that drops the mean average age down!  The problem was they came out flat and stayed that way!  Is this a trend?  I doubt it! 
1. Martz likes deep end cuts and slow developing plays...
2. That should help with the pass rush. Stop Gore and make JT beat you down the field. 

Offense- I'm concerned about Cassel, he has no experience! None...  His press conferences aren't inspiring too much confidence either.  I'm glad in not in his cleats!  Replacing Brady, where can we find the best Qb in the game?  Street FA? No!  Garcia ?  He's no Brady!  Farve should've kept his mouth shut for a couple of weeks, maybe he'd be starting for the Pats? 
     Coaching-  I'm glad Peese finally took responsibility for that "display of defensive football!"   Or lack there of!
 McD- better dumb it down more I guess, you can't lead Randy Moss into 2 defenders and get mad when he doesn't make the effort! He still has 2 yrs with Tom and doesn't need a headectomy!  Maybe Ventrone and Welker can squat 5 yds down the field?  Seems to be the pass he can complete!  I mean Cassel can run, right? Why isn't he?  I'd rather see him take off than get a sack!
    Don't be shocked if we see O'Connell! Earlier than the 4th quarter. With the bye I hope he got some quality reps, just incase!  If I were BB I wouldn't give Cassel the rest of the year! He better start producing or I'd get the Rookie in there!
    My biggest issue with Cassel, the clock in his head doesn't work. He's a step behind.  Is it because he just doesn't have the instincts?  Maybe, it's because he didn't play in college and now he has to adjust to the NFL game speed? Whatever the issue, I hope BB doesn't let Cassel become an anchor dragging down the offense! Reminds me of Bledsoe! This game will probably be a squeecker, a FG or extra point type game. I don't think either coach will know what they got going until the game gets started?  By then it may be too late!

Posted: 10/4/2008 8:08 PM

Re: Official Game 4 thread. NE Patriots vs SF 49ers. 


From the 49ers board, ..

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Last meeting
Tom Brady threw for two touchdowns and Corey Dillon rushed for 116 yards and a TD as the host Patriots defeated the 49ers, 21-7, in the 2004 season finale.

Streaks
The Patriots have won both games played since 1998, but the 49ers lead the all-time series, 7-3.

Last week
The Patriots had a bye, one week after getting stunned at home by Miami, 38-13. ... The 49ers were defeated by the host Saints, 31-17.

Keep and eye on ...
How Cassel responds after bye: Matt Cassel led the Patriots to a win in his first start in Week 2 against the Jets but struggled in the loss to Miami. Cassel has two things working in his favor: He had extra time to prepare during the bye and the 49ers allowed Drew Brees to throw for 363 yards and three touchdowns last week.

The pressure put on O'Sullivan: Defenses attack Mike Martz's offense by pressuring the quarterback. J.T. O'Sullivan has been sacked 19 times in four games and he's lost three fumbles. The Patriots have just six sacks in three games, two apiece by hybrid pass rushers Mike Vrabel and Adalius Thomas.

The effectiveness of Gore: Running backs have excelled under Martz, and Gore has gained at least 99 total yards in each start this season. The Patriots rank in the bottom third in total defense, and their run defense, ranked 25th, has been gouged so far for more than 140 yards per game.

Did you know?
The Patriots are jusy 10-9 after bye weeks ... This is the Patriots' first trip to San Francisco since 1995. ... New England has not lost back-to-back games since Weeks 9 and 10 in 2006, losing to the Colts and Jets. ... 49ers wideout Isaac Bruce ranks fifth all-time in the NFL with 953 career receptions, moving past Andre Reed (951). ... 49ers kick returner Allen Rossum leads the NFC with a 29.6-yard average.

Posted: 10/5/2008 4:51 PM

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So far MC has shown he can throw the deep ball, and the D overall is looking like a jv squad.  At least Merriweather has shown he does have hands, he must've put some serious off season time n catchn balls.

Posted: 10/5/2008 5:10 PM

Re: Official Game 4 thread. NE Patriots vs SF 49ers. 


Cassel got lucky on that TD to Moss. If the other defender hadn't tripped, I'm sure Moss wouldn't have caught it.

He just did the same thing again but this time it was picked off by Clements.

If he keeps this up, I wouldn't mind seeing O'Connell get some action. At least he can make plays with his feet, and he can't be any worse than Cassel is with the dinking and dunking.

Posted: 10/5/2008 6:22 PM

Re: Official Game 4 thread. NE Patriots vs SF 49ers. 


That direct snap looked very Brady like

Posted: 10/5/2008 6:23 PM

Re: Official Game 4 thread. NE Patriots vs SF 49ers. 


There is still a lot of game left, but if things continue like they are going it is going to be funny watching guys like Morpheus give props to McDaniels for making some big adjustments this game and calling some creative plays.

I hope it continues, some people here need humbling.

Posted: 10/5/2008 6:33 PM

Re: Official Game 4 thread. NE Patriots vs SF 49ers. 


The Offense is starting to really click, and MC is gaining confidence.  I think the running game has been the key to helping MC look better.  I just hope Jordan will be ready for next week

Posted: 10/5/2008 6:47 PM

Re: Official Game 4 thread. NE Patriots vs SF 49ers. 


Meriweather can't cover as well as the team thinks he can.

His interception was good, but it was more luck than ability.

Posted: 10/5/2008 7:09 PM

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Special teams have been sub-par today. Playing too loose.
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