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Brady's #1 Romo doesn't make the cut

Posted: 6/29/2008 12:55 AM

Brady's #1 Romo doesn't make the cut 


Top 50: Chill, New England, there's no denying Brady now

After balking at putting Brady there the past few years, infuriating the New England region by making Peyton Manning the top-rated player, helping to land me on the list of the least-liked people in Chowder-head country, I have finally done what many of those angry people have waited a few years to see.

Brady, glamour-boy quarterback of the New England Patriots, has edged past Manning in my rankings of the top 50 players in the NFL.

It's close, but coming off Brady's sensational, record-setting season, coupled with Manning being forced to play without his top receiver for most of last year, Brady has to take over as king of the NFL.

Brady broke Manning's single-season record for touchdown passes with 50 in 2007. Fifty. Brady also threw for a league-leading 4,806 yards and topped the NFL in completion percentage

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10877567

hah Romo not even good enough to make the top 50.

Prisco is a moron!

Last edited 6/29/2008 12:55 AM by patsfan37

Posted: 6/29/2008 1:24 PM

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Please never ever ever post an article by Pete "Super Hack" Prisco. There are people I don't agree with, but still can respect and then there's Prisco who any time I actually do agree with him I feel like I must be wrong in my opinion. He has no understanding of anything football related whatsoever. I don't understand how he gets paid to do this. He's Skip Bayless with grey hair.

Posted: 6/29/2008 1:39 PM

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Here Are Prisco's Top 10:

 1. Tom Brady, QB, New England Patriots: Can he do any more than he did last season? The scary thing for the rest of the league is, yes he can.

2. Peyton Manning, QB, Indianapolis Colts: Even Manning's down seasons are sensational. If Marvin Harrison is back this year, watch out.

3. LaDainian Tomlinson, RB, San Diego Chargers:
His failure to play in the AFC Championship Game hurts his rep some, but he's still the best runner in the game.

4. Randy Moss, WR, New England Patriots: Talk about resurrecting a reputation. He wasn't on many top 50 lists a year ago. Now he's a top 10 player.

 5. Champ Bailey, CB, Denver Broncos: It's chic to pick his game apart. That's foolish. Bailey is still the best cover corner in the game.

6. Mario Williams, DE, Houston Texans: Williams is making the Texans proud for passing on Reggie Bush and Vince Young to take this pass rusher. He might have been the league's best defensive player in the final eight weeks of 2007.

7. Bob Sanders, S, Indianapolis Colts: The only thing holding him back is the injury issues. When he's on the field, the Colts have a different defense.

8. Carson Palmer, QB, Cincinnati Bengals: After Brady and Manning he's the third-best quarterback. The Bengals need to run it a little better to take the heat off him.

9. DeMarcus Ware, OLB, Dallas Cowboys: He was given more freedom in Wade Phillips' version of the 3-4 and played better in 2007. Ware is a speed rusher who has his best football still in front of him.

10. Kevin Williams, DT, Minnesota Vikings: He is a powerful inside player who teams with Pat Williams to form the best tackle tandem in the league. He is good against the run, yet quick enough to get pass-rush penetration.


You can argue with positional ranking, but it looks like Prisco has some solid names on that list.

Possible points of contention:
Brady better than Manning? 
Ware over Urlacher, Lewis, Merriman?
Mario Williams over Jared Allen, Freeney or Osi Umenyiora
Palmer over Tavaris Jackson?  I mean c'mon 

I would put Ed Reed closer to the top, move Palmer down and maybe a couple other tweaks, but all in all, that's pretty close to who would be toward the top of my list

Last edited 6/29/2008 2:50 PM by JSinCT

Posted: 6/29/2008 1:49 PM

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Carson Palmer doesn't belong in the top 10 and Mario Williams at number six based on half a season at a top level seems a lot premature.
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Posted: 6/29/2008 5:54 PM

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I don't know why he wouldn't be in the top fifty?even top ten? But.....I am getting tired of the Tony Romo hype machine. First year out he was 50/50 but made the playoffs. (NFC) Second year out with a much improved team......makes it to the playoffs but loses first game. I 'm not saying he is not a good player. Dallas last year had one of the better teams in the NFL, Offense and Defense. With the team Dallas is going to field this year( Off season acqu.)  as well as the Giants coming off of the SB win. I believe if they don't go deep into the playoffs some evaluation of TR's winning ability (Fair or unfair) will be questioned. Brady did more with less. No doubt TR is a good QB but that hype machine is writing some pretty fat checks.

Posted: 6/29/2008 6:42 PM

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54lnp wrote: I don't know why he wouldn't be in the top fifty?even top ten? But.....I am getting tired of the Tony Romo hype machine. First year out he was 50/50 but made the playoffs. (NFC) Second year out with a much improved team......makes it to the playoffs but loses first game. I 'm not saying he is not a good player. Dallas last year had one of the better teams in the NFL, Offense and Defense. With the team Dallas is going to field this year( Off season acqu.)  as well as the Giants coming off of the SB win. I believe if they don't go deep into the playoffs some evaluation of TR's winning ability (Fair or unfair) will be questioned. Brady did more with less. No doubt TR is a good QB but that hype machine is writing some pretty fat checks.
The problem i have with romo is the attention whore issue.  hes always in the news fro one reason or another

maybe that isnt his fault, but im sick of seeing him as much as we used to see those stupid payton manning commercials

enough already

jessica simpson is an airhead with a hot body. id much rather have this

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Posted: 6/30/2008 12:58 AM

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Patsfan.... I've heard Jessica was angry with Romo when they first met. It seems after many breakups she just wanted someone she could trust and had thought Romo was an international soccer player " He told me he played football?" she told a friend. Sounds a little High Maintenance. Like the picture.

Posted: 6/30/2008 5:17 AM

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VinatieriDefinesClutch wrote: Please never ever ever post an article by Pete "Super Hack" Prisco. There are people I don't agree with, but still can respect and then there's Prisco who any time I actually do agree with him I feel like I must be wrong in my opinion. He has no understanding of anything football related whatsoever. I don't understand how he gets paid to do this. He's Skip Bayless with grey hair.

VDC......Be careful in what you post. Isn't it illegal to compare anybody to Skippy? Clutch, you have forgotten more about Patriot Football than either of these geniuses ever knew!

Posted: 6/30/2008 5:19 AM

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patsfan37 wrote:
54lnp wrote: I don't know why he wouldn't be in the top fifty?even top ten? But.....I am getting tired of the Tony Romo hype machine. First year out he was 50/50 but made the playoffs. (NFC) Second year out with a much improved team......makes it to the playoffs but loses first game. I 'm not saying he is not a good player. Dallas last year had one of the better teams in the NFL, Offense and Defense. With the team Dallas is going to field this year( Off season acqu.)  as well as the Giants coming off of the SB win. I believe if they don't go deep into the playoffs some evaluation of TR's winning ability (Fair or unfair) will be questioned. Brady did more with less. No doubt TR is a good QB but that hype machine is writing some pretty fat checks.
The problem i have with romo is the attention whore issue.  hes always in the news fro one reason or another

maybe that isnt his fault, but im sick of seeing him as much as we used to see those stupid payton manning commercials

enough already

jessica simpson is an airhead with a hot body. id much rather have this


fan 37.........


leave my wife out of it. OK ??

Posted: 6/30/2008 10:25 AM

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Romo does not deserve to make the cut. Perhaps if he spent less time vacationing with Mizz Simpson or cheating on poor Carrie, he would be a better player. Brady is the best player in the entire league and sports more championship rings than Peyton! Peyton Manning is overrated just like his little brother and chokes under pressure. Brady is the dominator and I fully expect him to go 19-0 this year!

Posted: 6/30/2008 10:31 AM

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Eli Manning chokes under pressure?  What happened the last time Eli and Tommy boy were on the field?  Homerism is a disease you know. 

I was slightly impressed that you actually made comments that were at least half true until that ignorant BS.  You still have a chance to become a real fan Miss K!

Posted: 6/30/2008 10:34 AM

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VinatieriDefinesClutch wrote: Carson Palmer doesn't belong in the top 10 and Mario Williams at number six based on half a season at a top level seems a lot premature.


I agree.  Neither one of these players should be in the top 30 much less top 10.

Adrian Peterson will be at the top after another season or two.  If you use the same thought process as this guy did for Mario Williams, AD should be at the top now.   

Posted: 6/30/2008 10:42 AM

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usernameNEP wrote:

fan 37.........


leave my wife out of it. OK ??
i just cant get enough of her, sorry

i suppose i can switch to this one instead

SI.com - 2006 Swimsuit - Molly Sims
molly sims

Posted: 6/30/2008 12:38 PM

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Brady will always be rated very high because he is smart and a student of the game ... until Romo devotes the same amount of time to game prep and analyzing film he will remain on the outside, talent is only a small part of the equation.
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Posted: 6/30/2008 2:46 PM

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I think Romo was a good find by Dallas.  I think allot has been made of the parallel between Romo's start and Brady's career.  The only parallel I see is Bledsoe who was hurt when Brady took over and to old when Romo took over. I've read on some sports page that Rom has signed a big marketing deal. I say good for him get it while you can. To me....I still have to say time will tell just how good he is or what problems he may have.        Oh by the way,  I remember the girl.......And I remember taking that picture..........And I remember just how Happy she was to see me.
patsfan37 wrote:
54lnp wrote: I don't know why he wouldn't be in the top fifty?even top ten? But.....I am getting tired of the Tony Romo hype machine. First year out he was 50/50 but made the playoffs. (NFC) Second year out with a much improved team......makes it to the playoffs but loses first game. I 'm not saying he is not a good player. Dallas last year had one of the better teams in the NFL, Offense and Defense. With the team Dallas is going to field this year( Off season acqu.)  as well as the Giants coming off of the SB win. I believe if they don't go deep into the playoffs some evaluation of TR's winning ability (Fair or unfair) will be questioned. Brady did more with less. No doubt TR is a good QB but that hype machine is writing some pretty fat checks.
The problem i have with romo is the attention whore issue.  hes always in the news fro one reason or another

maybe that isnt his fault, but im sick of seeing him as much as we used to see those stupid payton manning commercials

enough already

jessica simpson is an airhead with a hot body. id much rather have this

Posted: 7/1/2008 12:57 AM

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yeah,

but we don't have to tell you how smoking hot former Patriots Insider GoTM Nicci is...



Her MySpace page.

Don't be creepy.  Tell her you saw her on Patriots Insider.  She knows us.

She wants you to Vote for her... a Maxim hometown hottie and potential FHM girl.

Unfortunately she's a Dolphin fan, but heck... we encourage you to try to convince her to come to the Dark side.


Another gratuitous bikini shot



Last edited 7/1/2008 1:07 PM by JSinCT

Posted: 7/1/2008 6:49 AM

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JSinCT wrote: yeah,

but we don't have to tell you how smoking hot former Patriots Insider GoTM Nicci is...



Her MySpace page.

Don't be creepy.  Tell her you saw her on Patriots Insider.  She knows us.

She wants you to Vote for her... a Maxim hometown hottie and potential FHM girl.

Unfortunately she's a Dolphin fan, but heck... we encourage you to try to convince her to come to the Dark side.


Another gratuitous bikini shot




WOoooooooooooooooooooooooo



She got my vote

Posted: 7/1/2008 7:56 AM

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um

*speachless*

Posted: 7/1/2008 12:06 PM

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You lost me at Dolphin fan. Pass.

Posted: 7/2/2008 12:59 AM

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54lnp wrote: I don't know why he wouldn't be in the top fifty?even top ten? But.....I am getting tired of the Tony Romo hype machine. First year out he was 50/50 but made the playoffs. (NFC) Second year out with a much improved team......makes it to the playoffs but loses first game. I 'm not saying he is not a good player. Dallas last year had one of the better teams in the NFL, Offense and Defense. With the team Dallas is going to field this year( Off season acqu.)  as well as the Giants coming off of the SB win. I believe if they don't go deep into the playoffs some evaluation of TR's winning ability (Fair or unfair) will be questioned. Brady did more with less. No doubt TR is a good QB but that hype machine is writing some pretty fat checks.


You say that Romo is good, but is overhyped.

The reason Romo is overhyped is because the only QB to have gotten off to a better start to a career was Kurt Warner.

Romo has started 26 games in his brief 1.5 years as a starter. These are his numbers compared to Brady's first 26 games of his career.

Romo 539 completions, 830 attempts, 64.9%, 6852 yards, 8.26 YPA, 52 TDs, 29 INTs, 19 wins, 7 losses.
Brady 546 completions, 847 attempts, 64.4%, 5726 yards, 6.76 YPA, 42 TDs, 22 INTs, 16 wins, 10 losses.

Now let's compares Romo's 26 starts against the current best QBs in the NFL in their last 26 games.

Brady 611 completions, 905 attempts, 67.5%, 7109 yards, 7.85 YPA, 64 TDs, 17 INTs, 23 wins, 3 losses.
Romo 539 completions, 830 attempts, 64.9%, 6852 yards, 8.26 YPA, 52 TDs, 29 INTs, 19 wins, 7 losses.
P. Manning 568 completions, 866 attempts, 65.6%, 6817 yards, 7.87 YPA, 50 TDs, 10 INTs, 19 wins, 7 losses.
Brees 658 completions, 999 attempts, 65.9%, 7332 yards, 7.33 YPA, 46 TDs, 25 INTs, 12 wins, 14 losses.
Favre 565 completions, 920 attempts, 61.4%, 6559 yards, 7.12 YPA, 37 TDs, 28 INTs, 19 wins, 7 losses.
Roethlisberger 457 completions, 730 attempts, 62.6%, 5622 yards, 7.70 YPA, 45 TDs, 27 INTs, 16 wins, 9 losses.
Palmer 575 completions, 899 attempts, 63.4%, 6748 yards, 7.51 YPA, 45 TDs, 29 INTs, 11 wins, 15 losses.
McNabb 471 completions, 789 attempts, 59.7%, 5971 yards, 7.57 YPA, 38 TDs, 14 INTs, 13 wins, 11 losses.
Rivers 430 completions, 733 attempts, 58.7%, 5210 yards, 7.11 YPA, 34 TDs, 21 INTs, 21 wins, 5 losses.
E. Manning 471 completions, 849 attempts, 55.5%, 5062 yards, 5.96 YPA, 34 TDs, 30 INTs, 14 wins, 12 losses.


As you can see only Brady has surpassed Romo in on the field performance over the last 26 games and this is with Brady having the best year of any QB in NFL history. His numbers are equal to that of P. Manning, except for INTs. Brady and Manning are the #1 and 2 QBs in the NFL, and Romo is right there with them. If you think Romo doesn't belong among the top 50 players in the NFL, your just kidding yourself.

So the hype over Romo is justified. He maybe overexposed, but that's because he plays for Dallas. Nothing he can do about that.

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Posted: 7/2/2008 9:33 AM

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QCisco...... Here are some of my posts.. "I don't know why he wouldn't be in the top fifty? Even top ten?"

" I believe if they don't go deep into the playoffs some evaluation of TR's winning ability (Fair or Unfair) will be questioned."

"No doubt TR is a good QB but the hype machine is writing some pretty fat checks."

"I think Romo was a good find by Dallas.......I still have to say time will tell just how good he is or what problems he may have...."

You wrote: "If you don't think Romo doesn't belong among the top 50 players in the NFL, your just kidding yourself.".......*See above statement.

"He may be overexposed"........*See above statement

I think we've said more or less the same thing?

I appreciate your numbers and percentages in revealing TR's performance thus far.  Leaving those numbers and figures undisputed and in consideration to "What makes a great QB" we should also add in the level of talent surrounding the QB in relation to his success. Although Romo has just started his career the Cowboys offense excluding him is one of the most talented in the NFL. TO, Whitten etc etc.. Dallas's run game last year was only about 400 yards short of the Jags O. (Which is a run O) Dallas has talent on Offense.

This aside TR is a good Qb!! " I don't know why he wouldn't be in the top fifty? Even top ten?"

Within Brady's first 26 games a Super Bowl was won "Brady did more with less"

So far in post season play Romo has fumbled a snap and although I don't think his play was the reason for the loss against the Giants.  " I believe if they don't go deep into the playoffs some evaluation of TR's winning ability (Fair or Unfair) will be questioned.  " No doubt TR is a good QB but the hype machine is writing some pretty fat checks."     
QCisco wrote:
54lnp wrote: I don't know why he wouldn't be in the top fifty?even top ten? But.....I am getting tired of the Tony Romo hype machine. First year out he was 50/50 but made the playoffs. (NFC) Second year out with a much improved team......makes it to the playoffs but loses first game. I 'm not saying he is not a good player. Dallas last year had one of the better teams in the NFL, Offense and Defense. With the team Dallas is going to field this year( Off season acqu.)  as well as the Giants coming off of the SB win. I believe if they don't go deep into the playoffs some evaluation of TR's winning ability (Fair or unfair) will be questioned. Brady did more with less. No doubt TR is a good QB but that hype machine is writing some pretty fat checks.


You say that Romo is good, but is overhyped.

The reason Romo is overhyped is because the only QB to have gotten off to a better start to a career was Kurt Warner.

Romo has started 26 games in his brief 1.5 years as a starter. These are his numbers compared to Brady's first 26 games of his career.

Romo 539 completions, 830 attempts, 64.9%, 6852 yards, 8.26 YPA, 52 TDs, 29 INTs, 19 wins, 7 losses.
Brady 546 completions, 847 attempts, 64.4%, 5726 yards, 6.76 YPA, 42 TDs, 22 INTs, 16 wins, 10 losses.

Now let's compares Romo's 26 starts against the current best QBs in the NFL in their last 26 games.

Brady 611 completions, 905 attempts, 67.5%, 7109 yards, 7.85 YPA, 64 TDs, 17 INTs, 23 wins, 3 losses.
Romo 539 completions, 830 attempts, 64.9%, 6852 yards, 8.26 YPA, 52 TDs, 29 INTs, 19 wins, 7 losses.
P. Manning 568 completions, 866 attempts, 65.6%, 6817 yards, 7.87 YPA, 50 TDs, 10 INTs, 19 wins, 7 losses.
Brees 658 completions, 999 attempts, 65.9%, 7332 yards, 7.33 YPA, 46 TDs, 25 INTs, 12 wins, 14 losses.
Favre 565 completions, 920 attempts, 61.4%, 6559 yards, 7.12 YPA, 37 TDs, 28 INTs, 19 wins, 7 losses.
Roethlisberger 457 completions, 730 attempts, 62.6%, 5622 yards, 7.70 YPA, 45 TDs, 27 INTs, 16 wins, 9 losses.
Palmer 575 completions, 899 attempts, 63.4%, 6748 yards, 7.51 YPA, 45 TDs, 29 INTs, 11 wins, 15 losses.
McNabb 471 completions, 789 attempts, 59.7%, 5971 yards, 7.57 YPA, 38 TDs, 14 INTs, 13 wins, 11 losses.
Rivers 430 completions, 733 attempts, 58.7%, 5210 yards, 7.11 YPA, 34 TDs, 21 INTs, 21 wins, 5 losses.
E. Manning 471 completions, 849 attempts, 55.5%, 5062 yards, 5.96 YPA, 34 TDs, 30 INTs, 14 wins, 12 losses.


As you can see only Brady has surpassed Romo in on the field performance over the last 26 games and this is with Brady having the best year of any QB in NFL history. His numbers are equal to that of P. Manning, except for INTs. Brady and Manning are the #1 and 2 QBs in the NFL, and Romo is right there with them. If you think Romo doesn't belong among the top 50 players in the NFL, your just kidding yourself.

So the hype over Romo is justified. He maybe overexposed, but that's because he plays for Dallas. Nothing he can do about that.

Posted: 7/2/2008 10:44 AM

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54lnp wrote: QCisco...... Here are some of my posts.. "I don't know why he wouldn't be in the top fifty? Even top ten?"

" I believe if they don't go deep into the playoffs some evaluation of TR's winning ability (Fair or Unfair) will be questioned."

"No doubt TR is a good QB but the hype machine is writing some pretty fat checks."

"I think Romo was a good find by Dallas.......I still have to say time will tell just how good he is or what problems he may have...."

You wrote: "If you don't think Romo doesn't belong among the top 50 players in the NFL, your just kidding yourself.".......*See above statement.

"He may be overexposed"........*See above statement

I think we've said more or less the same thing?

I appreciate your numbers and percentages in revealing TR's performance thus far.  Leaving those numbers and figures undisputed and in consideration to "What makes a great QB" we should also add in the level of talent surrounding the QB in relation to his success. Although Romo has just started his career the Cowboys offense excluding him is one of the most talented in the NFL. TO, Whitten etc etc.. Dallas's run game last year was only about 400 yards short of the Jags O. (Which is a run O) Dallas has talent on Offense.

This aside TR is a good Qb!! " I don't know why he wouldn't be in the top fifty? Even top ten?"

Within Brady's first 26 games a Super Bowl was won "Brady did more with less"

So far in post season play Romo has fumbled a snap and although I don't think his play was the reason for the loss against the Giants.  " I believe if they don't go deep into the playoffs some evaluation of TR's winning ability (Fair or Unfair) will be questioned.  " No doubt TR is a good QB but the hype machine is writing some pretty fat checks."     
QCisco wrote:
54lnp wrote: I don't know why he wouldn't be in the top fifty?even top ten? But.....I am getting tired of the Tony Romo hype machine. First year out he was 50/50 but made the playoffs. (NFC) Second year out with a much improved team......makes it to the playoffs but loses first game. I 'm not saying he is not a good player. Dallas last year had one of the better teams in the NFL, Offense and Defense. With the team Dallas is going to field this year( Off season acqu.)  as well as the Giants coming off of the SB win. I believe if they don't go deep into the playoffs some evaluation of TR's winning ability (Fair or unfair) will be questioned. Brady did more with less. No doubt TR is a good QB but that hype machine is writing some pretty fat checks.


You say that Romo is good, but is overhyped.

The reason Romo is overhyped is because the only QB to have gotten off to a better start to a career was Kurt Warner.

Romo has started 26 games in his brief 1.5 years as a starter. These are his numbers compared to Brady's first 26 games of his career.

Romo 539 completions, 830 attempts, 64.9%, 6852 yards, 8.26 YPA, 52 TDs, 29 INTs, 19 wins, 7 losses.
Brady 546 completions, 847 attempts, 64.4%, 5726 yards, 6.76 YPA, 42 TDs, 22 INTs, 16 wins, 10 losses.

Now let's compares Romo's 26 starts against the current best QBs in the NFL in their last 26 games.

Brady 611 completions, 905 attempts, 67.5%, 7109 yards, 7.85 YPA, 64 TDs, 17 INTs, 23 wins, 3 losses.
Romo 539 completions, 830 attempts, 64.9%, 6852 yards, 8.26 YPA, 52 TDs, 29 INTs, 19 wins, 7 losses.
P. Manning 568 completions, 866 attempts, 65.6%, 6817 yards, 7.87 YPA, 50 TDs, 10 INTs, 19 wins, 7 losses.
Brees 658 completions, 999 attempts, 65.9%, 7332 yards, 7.33 YPA, 46 TDs, 25 INTs, 12 wins, 14 losses.
Favre 565 completions, 920 attempts, 61.4%, 6559 yards, 7.12 YPA, 37 TDs, 28 INTs, 19 wins, 7 losses.
Roethlisberger 457 completions, 730 attempts, 62.6%, 5622 yards, 7.70 YPA, 45 TDs, 27 INTs, 16 wins, 9 losses.
Palmer 575 completions, 899 attempts, 63.4%, 6748 yards, 7.51 YPA, 45 TDs, 29 INTs, 11 wins, 15 losses.
McNabb 471 completions, 789 attempts, 59.7%, 5971 yards, 7.57 YPA, 38 TDs, 14 INTs, 13 wins, 11 losses.
Rivers 430 completions, 733 attempts, 58.7%, 5210 yards, 7.11 YPA, 34 TDs, 21 INTs, 21 wins, 5 losses.
E. Manning 471 completions, 849 attempts, 55.5%, 5062 yards, 5.96 YPA, 34 TDs, 30 INTs, 14 wins, 12 losses.


As you can see only Brady has surpassed Romo in on the field performance over the last 26 games and this is with Brady having the best year of any QB in NFL history. His numbers are equal to that of P. Manning, except for INTs. Brady and Manning are the #1 and 2 QBs in the NFL, and Romo is right there with them. If you think Romo doesn't belong among the top 50 players in the NFL, your just kidding yourself.

So the hype over Romo is justified. He maybe overexposed, but that's because he plays for Dallas. Nothing he can do about that.

Sorry, misunderstood you. When you said he was overhyped, I thought you were being sarcastic saying "I don't know why he wouldn't be in the top 50? even top 10?".

There were others in the thread that thought he shouldn't be in the top 50. I should have responded to their comments.
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Posted: 7/2/2008 10:09 PM

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Qcisco....maybe Jessica has affected Romo's post season play.....now thats sarcasm.....or is it.   
54lnp wrote: Patsfan.... I've heard Jessica was angry with Romo when they first met. It seems after many breakups she just wanted someone she could trust and had thought Romo was an international soccer player " He told me he played football?" she told a friend. Sounds a little High Maintenance. Like the picture.

Posted: 7/2/2008 10:40 PM

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QCisco wrote:
 


You say that Romo is good, but is overhyped.

The reason Romo is overhyped is because the only QB to have gotten off to a better start to a career was Kurt Warner.

Romo has started 26 games in his brief 1.5 years as a starter. These are his numbers compared to Brady's first 26 games of his career.

Romo 539 completions, 830 attempts, 64.9%, 6852 yards, 8.26 YPA, 52 TDs, 29 INTs, 19 wins, 7 losses.
Brady 546 completions, 847 attempts, 64.4%, 5726 yards, 6.76 YPA, 42 TDs, 22 INTs, 16 wins, 10 losses.

Now let's compares Romo's 26 starts against the current best QBs in the NFL in their last 26 games.

Brady 611 completions, 905 attempts, 67.5%, 7109 yards, 7.85 YPA, 64 TDs, 17 INTs, 23 wins, 3 losses.
Romo 539 completions, 830 attempts, 64.9%, 6852 yards, 8.26 YPA, 52 TDs, 29 INTs, 19 wins, 7 losses.
P. Manning 568 completions, 866 attempts, 65.6%, 6817 yards, 7.87 YPA, 50 TDs, 10 INTs, 19 wins, 7 losses.
Brees 658 completions, 999 attempts, 65.9%, 7332 yards, 7.33 YPA, 46 TDs, 25 INTs, 12 wins, 14 losses.
Favre 565 completions, 920 attempts, 61.4%, 6559 yards, 7.12 YPA, 37 TDs, 28 INTs, 19 wins, 7 losses.
Roethlisberger 457 completions, 730 attempts, 62.6%, 5622 yards, 7.70 YPA, 45 TDs, 27 INTs, 16 wins, 9 losses.
Palmer 575 completions, 899 attempts, 63.4%, 6748 yards, 7.51 YPA, 45 TDs, 29 INTs, 11 wins, 15 losses.
McNabb 471 completions, 789 attempts, 59.7%, 5971 yards, 7.57 YPA, 38 TDs, 14 INTs, 13 wins, 11 losses.
Rivers 430 completions, 733 attempts, 58.7%, 5210 yards, 7.11 YPA, 34 TDs, 21 INTs, 21 wins, 5 losses.
E. Manning 471 completions, 849 attempts, 55.5%, 5062 yards, 5.96 YPA, 34 TDs, 30 INTs, 14 wins, 12 losses.


As you can see only Brady has surpassed Romo in on the field performance over the last 26 games and this is with Brady having the best year of any QB in NFL history. His numbers are equal to that of P. Manning, except for INTs. Brady and Manning are the #1 and 2 QBs in the NFL, and Romo is right there with them. If you think Romo doesn't belong among the top 50 players in the NFL, your just kidding yourself.

So the hype over Romo is justified. He maybe overexposed, but that's because he plays for Dallas. Nothing he can do about that.

I am confused about these statistics.

Tom Brady went 11-3 in his first year as a starter and 7-5 over the final "26" first starts of his career for 18-8, not 16-10.  And of course, that completely ignores the 2001 playoffs in which Tom Brady went 3-0 and won the Super Bowl. 

Your "statistics" also don't include Romo's 2 losses in the playoffs. 

Ignoring your statistics being wrong, the playoff performances of both Romo and Brady their first "26" games (in which Brady was 3-0 with a Super Bowl ring and Romo was 0-2), the fact that the Patriots were a power running team in Brady's early years, Romo had one of the best WRs in the league to throw to (Owens), while Brady's go-to guy was Troy Brown, sure....Romo can be compared to Brady over their first "26" games.

Romo may belong in the top 50 players in the NFL, but it is probably close to #50.  Him being in the top 50 is certainly debatable though.

Posted: 7/3/2008 2:10 PM

Re: Brady's #1 Romo doesn't make the cut 



stealthdog666 wrote:
QCisco wrote:
 


You say that Romo is good, but is overhyped.

The reason Romo is overhyped is because the only QB to have gotten off to a better start to a career was Kurt Warner.

Romo has started 26 games in his brief 1.5 years as a starter. These are his numbers compared to Brady's first 26 games of his career.

Romo 539 completions, 830 attempts, 64.9%, 6852 yards, 8.26 YPA, 52 TDs, 29 INTs, 19 wins, 7 losses.
Brady 546 completions, 847 attempts, 64.4%, 5726 yards, 6.76 YPA, 42 TDs, 22 INTs, 16 wins, 10 losses.

Now let's compares Romo's 26 starts against the current best QBs in the NFL in their last 26 games.

Brady 611 completions, 905 attempts, 67.5%, 7109 yards, 7.85 YPA, 64 TDs, 17 INTs, 23 wins, 3 losses.
Romo 539 completions, 830 attempts, 64.9%, 6852 yards, 8.26 YPA, 52 TDs, 29 INTs, 19 wins, 7 losses.
P. Manning 568 completions, 866 attempts, 65.6%, 6817 yards, 7.87 YPA, 50 TDs, 10 INTs, 19 wins, 7 losses.
Brees 658 completions, 999 attempts, 65.9%, 7332 yards, 7.33 YPA, 46 TDs, 25 INTs, 12 wins, 14 losses.
Favre 565 completions, 920 attempts, 61.4%, 6559 yards, 7.12 YPA, 37 TDs, 28 INTs, 19 wins, 7 losses.
Roethlisberger 457 completions, 730 attempts, 62.6%, 5622 yards, 7.70 YPA, 45 TDs, 27 INTs, 16 wins, 9 losses.
Palmer 575 completions, 899 attempts, 63.4%, 6748 yards, 7.51 YPA, 45 TDs, 29 INTs, 11 wins, 15 losses.
McNabb 471 completions, 789 attempts, 59.7%, 5971 yards, 7.57 YPA, 38 TDs, 14 INTs, 13 wins, 11 losses.
Rivers 430 completions, 733 attempts, 58.7%, 5210 yards, 7.11 YPA, 34 TDs, 21 INTs, 21 wins, 5 losses.
E. Manning 471 completions, 849 attempts, 55.5%, 5062 yards, 5.96 YPA, 34 TDs, 30 INTs, 14 wins, 12 losses.


As you can see only Brady has surpassed Romo in on the field performance over the last 26 games and this is with Brady having the best year of any QB in NFL history. His numbers are equal to that of P. Manning, except for INTs. Brady and Manning are the #1 and 2 QBs in the NFL, and Romo is right there with them. If you think Romo doesn't belong among the top 50 players in the NFL, your just kidding yourself.

So the hype over Romo is justified. He maybe overexposed, but that's because he plays for Dallas. Nothing he can do about that.

I am confused about these statistics.

Tom Brady went 11-3 in his first year as a starter and 7-5 over the final "26" first starts of his career for 18-8, not 16-10.  And of course, that completely ignores the 2001 playoffs in which Tom Brady went 3-0 and won the Super Bowl. 

Your "statistics" also don't include Romo's 2 losses in the playoffs. 

Ignoring your statistics being wrong, the playoff performances of both Romo and Brady their first "26" games (in which Brady was 3-0 with a Super Bowl ring and Romo was 0-2), the fact that the Patriots were a power running team in Brady's early years, Romo had one of the best WRs in the league to throw to (Owens), while Brady's go-to guy was Troy Brown, sure....Romo can be compared to Brady over their first "26" games.

Romo may belong in the top 50 players in the NFL, but it is probably close to #50.  Him being in the top 50 is certainly debatable though.
I didn't include playoff games because each QB has played a different number of playoff games. It's easier to compare when they each have played the same number of games. So that's why the regular season games were used.

I did make an error in the wins and losses. In 2001 Brady played in 14 games, missed the opener against Cincinnati and relieved Bledsoe in the 2nd game of the year. He went 11-3 the rest of the year. The 12 games in 2002 go up to week 13 against Detroit, he was 7-5 at that point. Making for a wins/loss record of 18-8. Brady's stat line should then read 564 completions, 877 attempts, 64.3%, 5936 yards, 6.76 YPA, 42 TDs, 23 INTs.

I posted the numbers to show that Romo has performed at a high level with the other top QBs in the NFL.  So if Palmer at #8 and Roethlisberger at #17 are going to be included in the top 50, so should Romo.

Posted: 7/3/2008 3:41 PM

Re: Brady's #1 Romo doesn't make the cut 


I'll just agree to disagree.  I don't think Romo is a bad quarterback - I think he is a good quarterback.  I don't think he is among the top 5-6 quarterbacks in the league right now though.  Leaving a guy who isn't one of the elite QBs in the league off a list of the top 50 players in the game isn't as bad as you make it seem.  Its probable that the person who made the list factored in Romo's 0-2 playoff record.  When Romo starts winning big games, he will probably be looked upon more favorably.

If it makes you feel any better I think Carson Palmer is horribly overrated. :)

Posted: 7/6/2008 9:22 PM

Re: Brady's #1 Romo doesn't make the cut 


Why do some of you guys get so worked up over Romo?  Even most Cowboys fans don't think he's really proven himself to be elite yet and are annoyed by the hype.   They're just glad they don't have a drug addicted retard or washed-up old man under center.

I do find it funny that people think Carson Palmer is so obviously better than Romo, though.  With a better receiver group and better run game until Rudi got hurt in 07 he hasn't matched Romo's regular season stats and hasn't done dick in the postseason, either.  Where is the separation?  Draft pedigree doesn't mean dick, as any Pats fan can tell you.

Anyway, that list has much stupider things than Romo being or not being on it.  Mario Williams being ranked that high based on 1 season when any number of 4-3 DEs/3-4 OLBs have been elite for years is colossally stupid

Ware over Urlacher, Lewis, Merriman?
Sure.  Lewis is on the downward slide and Merriman had a slightly down year compared to 06.  Urlacher was more or less his usual self but didn't make All-Pro or Pro Bowl in 07, while Ware did.  Ware is probably the best - and least hyped, go figure - guy on the Cowboys.  Though comparing 4-3 middle linebackers to 3-4 outside linebackers is kind of apples and oranges anyway. 

Last edited 7/6/2008 9:23 PM by sean10mm

Posted: 7/7/2008 12:39 AM

Re: Brady's #1 Romo doesn't make the cut 


About: Possible points of contention: Brady better than Manning?

One thing people rarely bring up in the Brady-vs.-Manning discussion is the weather. Brady plays eight games in Foxboro, which often often means bad weather, swirling winds, etc,. plus two more games at bad-weather sites (Bufffalo, New York). Manning plays eight games in a dome (no weather to thwart his passes) and three games in warm weather sites (Jacksonville, Houston, Tennessee). Anyone who thinks Manning's 49-touchdowns-vs.-10-interceptions season from a few years back is better (he had a slightly higher quarterback rating) than Brady's 50-to-8 from last year is sniffing glue.

Much is made in baseball about home-park advantages for hitters (Colorado, Boston, etc.), but little is made of the home-field offensive edges in football. Outside of some of the West Coast teams, Manning may have the best home-field edge in the AFC. He's a terrific quarterback, but his playoff struggles (he had 4 TDs and 7 interceptions in the postseason the year the Colts won the Super Bowl) and his home-field advantages, plus a better running threat and a better offensive line than the Patriots, suggest he's doing a little less, with a little more, than Brady.

About Romo: Leaving him out of the top fifty is silly. Romo's shown little in the playoffs so far, but he's been a big-numbers guy in the regular season over the last year-and-a-half. Prediction:If the Cowboys reach the Super Bowl this coming season, Prisco will rate him a top-five player. C'mon, let's have some perspective. He's a good quarterback now, better than Prisco seems to believe, but one good playoff run won't make him a legend of the game, just as one playoff-flameout against the better-than-we-thought Giants doesn't make him a nobody.

Posted: 7/7/2008 6:26 AM

Re: Brady's #1 Romo doesn't make the cut 


QCisco ~ The # 1 Cowboy fan ! How you doing?  Game 16 @ the Meadowlands showed all the world just how good the G-Men can play..............

My Ouigi Board has the 'Boys in this years SB, barring any major injuries to key starters. Interesting to note that as of 07.07 Dallas has made two additions to their roster in "Packman" (ST's-?) and Zack Thomas (Key reserve-?) while loosing a number of marquee or semi-marquee players. With Jones now in Seattle, a lot of weight now on Barber and the arm of Romo??

Look, I cashed in on the Giants su$$ess last season. SO far this year, in what I have seen and failed to see is, watch the spread with the NEP. I think Dallas in the NFC looks good. To be truely successful, Romo must deliver when it counts. See Cisco, Brady has done this. Eli did it in the PO's last year too.

Posted: 7/7/2008 9:54 AM

Re: Brady's #1 Romo doesn't make the cut 



usernameNEP wrote:My Ouigi Board has the 'Boys in this years SB, barring any major injuries to key starters. Interesting to note that as of 07.07 Dallas has made two additions to their roster in "Packman" (ST's-?) and Zack Thomas (Key reserve-?) while loosing a number of marquee or semi-marquee players. With Jones now in Seattle, a lot of weight now on Barber and the arm of Romo??
Dallas really hasn't lost anybody of consequence.  Julius Jones was a pretty comprehensive failure at running back in 07, and Dallas would have to be pretty unlucky for BOTH rookies they drafted to be worse.  They traded away an average linebacker, and a tight end the coaches were happy to dispose of who couldn't block consistently and seemed too dumb to learn the offense.  I don't remember then getting rid of anybody else.

If they can't reach an agreement with Glenn, well, they didn't have him in 07 anyway and his knees are extremely sketchy.  So no loss there.  Worse case for the secondary is that all the new people are busts, which would just be the same as 07 was, and if anybody (Jones, Jenkins OR Scandrick) pans out they come out ahead.  Zach Thomas is a nice bonus if he's healthy, but the team is pretty stacked at linebacker anyway.

The big questions are coaching and team chemistry, and everybody in the media thought the Giants were horrible in those departments until they won everything, so we really have no idea how that will pan out 
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