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Patriots Roundtable: Post Spygate Fallout

Posted: 5/25/2008 1:38 PM

Patriots Roundtable: Post Spygate Fallout 


Yes, we're at it again.  PI contributors weigh in on a number of Spygate issues.

Patriots Roundtable: Offseason Issue II

Matt Walsh (AP Photo)
Matt Walsh (AP Photo)

In our second in this series of roundtable discussions, we address the Spygate in depth. Mainstream media have questioned the team, and the conclusions on the topic, and one senator wont' let the issue die. Your comments are welcome.









1) Is Matt Walsh believable? Believable?

LoVell Parkman: Matt MAY have told one truth, but overall no he is not believable. He is an EX employee. He has the proverbial axe to grind against his former employers. He stole tapes himself. Since when do we believe a thief with a motive to lie? He's using this opportunity to get his face out there and for a payday.

Shane Leketa: Believable ... that is a tricky question. On the surface you see some actual facts like 1) he worked for the Patriots 2) He taped signals 3) He was fired by the Patriots organization. So, for these reasons he is believable. As for integrity and ethics, here are my questions: Why did he keep these tapes? (Keeping them for coaching job one day ... doubtful) Why did he need legal standing when he came clean with the tapes and supposed secret information? Do you think he was looking for his Andy Warhol 15 minutes of fame? I do. Believable? Not so much.

Kevin Saleeba: How can a fired, bitter former employee not be believable? Matt Walsh sees an opportunity to bash a former employer who fired him and maybe make some cash in the process. He really knew nothing new on this Spy-gate foolishness. He's nothing but a parasite who fanned the flame of this non-story. No one really knows what this guy's agenda against the Patriots is, but now this will go away. Why are we still talking about this stupid story?

Jim Poore: Yes, Matt Walsh is believable. However, the problem is that not too many people believe him, especially Patriot Nation. Walsh really has nothing to lose ( and perhaps nothing to gain ) by lying about anything. But it seems the more he talks, more and more things continue to come out. I don't think anyone will never know the real truth. It continues to be a 'he said, she said' type thing. It really is just a matter of whom one chooses to believe, Bill Belichick or Matt Walsh. Take your pick.

Jon Scott: I'm one of those who have seen the evidence, listened to both sides (as much as possible) and have still not come to a conclusion of if Walsh's entire story is legitimate. I believe he did things for the organization that the team didn't want made public. I believe some of those were in a very grey area of the rules. However, there are a number of points Walsh claimed that are difficult to take for gospel. In the end, the thinly veiled attack by one media outlet on Walsh's credibility may be enough to cause anyone who hears his story to doubt his claims. The desire to put this entire episode in the past may enough to convince others he's not worth listening to. But Walsh corroborated a lot of claims by other teams that the Patriots crossed the line, and in the end, you have to believe at least that part of the story is believable.

 

2) What was your reaction to Bill Belichick's interview on CBS?

Parkman: I'm glad he did say something. I wish he were a little more aggressive when talking about Walsh.

Leketa: I actually had two feelings about Bill Belichick's interview. At first I felt like this wasn't the Patriot way. They have always been tight lipped about everything that they do, whether it was about injuries or perjuries. Then, when I heard the interview it in it's entirety, I saw a man that has had enough. I saw a man that felt that he needed to keep this "third stringer" video assistant in check after making these slanderous and over hyped accusations. So more power to him, I cannot say that I wouldn't have said the same and more a lot earlier in this process.

Saleeba: Belichick should have done the interview when the story first broke. His silence helped feed the story for so many months. To think Matt Walsh had anything to do with the game planning for Super Bowl XXXVI is simply laughable and Belichick reinforced that in the interview.

Poore: I actually did not see the entire interview, just a few bits and pieces. One thing I thought of when seeing the clips was Roger Clemens. Bill Belichick was acting very similar to Roger Clemens when he did his interview. Unlike Walsh, I think Belichick DOES have a lot to lose. However, because of his extreme arrogance, he knows the fans of New England will always believe him and defend him to no end, and Belichick is taking advantage of that. I still find it very telling that Belichick STILL has not apologized to anybody, even though he was convicted of cheating. He felt ( and still does ) that he is so above everybody else that the rules do not apply to him. $500,000 later may be he realizes they do.

Scott: I wrote for the site that (like some other media outlets pointed out) Belichick might have been better off not to do the immediate retort to Walsh's interview. To me it was obvious that Belichick's responses were directed at discrediting Walsh more than addressing the key questions posed by his interviewer. When Armen Keyetian asked about the memo (2006-07 NFL memo on videotaping), I was disappointed in Belichick's response of misinterpreting the rules. The coach did not do himself - or the organization - any favors with that answer. He had a chance to put the whole thing to rest, and didn't do it in my opinion.


3) What is your impression of how fans of other teams perceive the Patriots, now?

Parkman: They hate the Patriots. They hated them before Spygate because of their on field success. Champions in just about any sport are globally hated when winning multiple titles. Spygate is throwing gas on the fire.

Leketa: No differently. Hearing from fans of other teams from all over the country each and every day, I hear the hatred and the animosity for the New England Patriots and its organization. I truly believe that if the Patriots were exonerated of all charges from top to bottom, the fans out there of other teams, will still hate this team through and through. It happened back in the day with the Steelers of the 70's, the 49ers of the 80's and the Cowboys of the 90's. When you win, people hate you and want to see you crash and burn.

Saleeba: Fans will always be jealous (or envious) of what other teams accomplish and what their team doesn't. I can identify with that. Growing up a Pats fans, I always wanted to see the Cowboys to lose. I took pleasure in the drug problems the Cowboys had in the 90's, because I knew it was a chink in their armor. That's all spy-gate is for the Patriots, a chink in the Pats armor. I now realize what a great team the Cowboys of the 90's are and what a great dynasty they were. But if it's not your team winning, you start to resent other teams success and you want to seem them go down. It's human nature.

Poore: I think fans of the other teams flat out despise the Patriots, and hope they lose every game. Truthfully, I can't blame them. All three of their Super Bowl wins will now be tainted, whether they deserve to be or not. And it isn't just about Spygate either. The team projects arrogance on the field. A player was suspended for violation of the substance abuse policy, and two others were arrected for drugs in the offseason. The Patriots have held a reputation as Holy Rollers, when it is in fact they'r emuch like everyone else. This bothers other fans and other teams. Maybe some of these issues are nobody's business, but when other fans and teams hear about it, it just adds fuel to an already well lit fire.

Scott: When I first started covering the Patriots in 2001 for this network, the sentiment about the Patriots was - if they can do it, good for them. I think the feel good story has died. Bitter rivals have emerged, and not just due to close games. There is some bad blood out there. Ironically, other than the Jets (and possibly the Colts), few fans held a strong opinion of the team during their Super Bowl run, other than "they're just really good." Now you can't go anywhere outside of New England without hearing a strong comment (mostly negative) about the organization or the coach. It may have to do with winning, but the videotaping issue has really hurt this organization far more profoundly than I think they understand. Even non-football fans associate "cheating" with the Patriots now. That's unfortunate for the players, fans and coaches who had nothing to do with the issue.


4) What do you think the Patriots need to do to put this videotaping issue behind them for 2008?

Parkman: Just win baby. (Sorry Al). Belichick and the Patriots staff may want to be a little more media friendly so they can be seen in a different light by the same media who sometimes influences fans.

Leketa: They need to start the 2008-09 football season. Right now we are in a lull in the action on the gridiron. Nobody has anything else to do except pick apart this franchise and all of its moves, especially with media outlets keeping it on the forefront of the fan's minds. Once the season starts it will be put on back burner ... at least until they play the Jets again.

Saleeba: Just win baby!

Poore: I think one thing that needs to be done is have Robert Kraft say something. He has been very quiet during this entire Spygate scandal. I find it incredibly hard to believe that he had no idea what was going on. I think he is just as responsible as anyone else, perhaps more so as the owner of the team. His high profile coach betrayed him, probably lied to him and others, and the owner kept mum. I find that very interesting. I think Kraft took a big [public relations] hit to his reputation during this Spygate scandal, and he hasn't done enough to get it back. I don't think the team can really do much else. They are trying to put it behind them and nobody else is letting them. That again shows the hatred for the team.

Scott: I'm not sure. I think the videotaping stigma will follow the head coach wherever he goes. To move on in 2008, the team needs to re-connect with fans and repair relationships. The lock-down, anti-media mentality isn't helping them as evidenced by the increasing number of columns from around the country. A more open policy might help. Winning always helps. By the time the 2008 regular season rolls around, most of the videotaping controversy will be behind us - hopefully - as fans look forward to what will happen in 2008. Here's looking forward to those days.

 

The Patriots Insider roundtable consists of a group of longtime contributors to the website. We will host roundtable discussions on the boards at PatriotsInsider.com, on the Patriots Insider Radio show, and through these roundtable Q&A articles. If you have a question you would like the group to address, be sure to send it in HERE: Email Patriots Insider We will choose a number of fan questions to answer in each roundtable.

Last edited 5/25/2008 1:42 PM by JSinCT

Posted: 5/25/2008 1:38 PM

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Misinterpeting the rules= don't get caught filming the coaches?

  Walsh was in plain site! However, he wasn't taping the players. He was taping the d coaches...ie the kicker tight shot excuse! Qb's footwork etc...We know BB knew he was pushing the envelope! Any good coach does. He got caught! So what! He and the team were severly punished! 1st round pick, 250K team and 500K to BB!

 Walsh's credibilty? He doesn't have any and if Ross Tucker thinks that coraborating this portion of Walshes story? Guess again! Tucker goes on the record and then says " not a big deal!"  Now your forever linked with Walsh!  Deal with that, Ross! Is it true he put razor blades in his bed to prevent his room-mate in college from soiling his sheets? Hmmmm?

 ESPN has taken "Spygate," to a whole new level!  Now, they just interview players ie... Porter..knowing all the while that Porter will say anything that pops into his head! I guess Joey doesn't realize he'll have to play the Pats twice this year? Keep running your piehole Porter! We here in Pats land love BB material! Bulletin Board = BB in this case only!
 Schlereth and Carter!  ESPN's answer for full tilt speculation! During the Commissioner's coverage, the two of them were sitting playing out how the Pats could've used the tapes for in-games adjustments.(stalling for the commissioner statement) When the Commissioner finally spoke and stated Walsh kept the tapes in his possession? In stead of Mark and Chris just admitting that what we said couldn't have happened, they just ignored the commissioner and went on like he didn't say a word! Is there an award for the worst coverage of a news story on a major network? If so I'm nominating Schlereth! He must have taken one too many shots to the head!

  Palintonio has to be the best though! While attempting a Dan Rather imatation, little did he know that one tape had the Cheerleaders on it, playing behind his shoulder!  All the while, laughter broke out during the interview at the conference room!
  Sal, endulging Schlereth and Carter continued the wild eyed speculation.  Even Sal had to laugh later... Sal gets the "I wished I knew WTH is going on award!  Sal, stay on the Marvin Harrison case, gueeze!  You really looked dumb, trying to sell the cheater segment, while Cheerleaders were bustin thier moves...

  I have to say in all my years I have never seen a story, butchered and battered, mistold, misreported. False information ans a general bias that BB is the devil incarnate!  Tomase did you get a week off mandatory?  That's it?  You probably have a little more responsibility for the Pats losing the SuperBowl? You strired this pot and all you can say is, sorry?  Well, you're right about one thing you are sorry! So is the rest of the sports writing staff for allowing you to write this story in the first place.  Tomase can you say Duke Lacross Team Rape Case?  Is what you did the same thing? In my mind it is!  

Posted: 5/25/2008 4:22 PM

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gr365 wrote:
Misinterpeting the rules= don't get caught filming the coaches?

  Walsh was in plain site! However, he wasn't taping the players. He was taping the d coaches...ie the kicker tight shot excuse! Qb's footwork etc...We know BB knew he was pushing the envelope! Any good coach does. He got caught! So what! He and the team were severly punished! 1st round pick, 250K team and 500K to BB!

 Walsh's credibilty? He doesn't have any and if Ross Tucker thinks that coraborating this portion of Walshes story? Guess again! Tucker goes on the record and then says " not a big deal!"  Now your forever linked with Walsh!  Deal with that, Ross! Is it true he put razor blades in his bed to prevent his room-mate in college from soiling his sheets? Hmmmm?

 ESPN has taken "Spygate," to a whole new level!  Now, they just interview players ie... Porter..knowing all the while that Porter will say anything that pops into his head! I guess Joey doesn't realize he'll have to play the Pats twice this year? Keep running your piehole Porter! We here in Pats land love BB material! Bulletin Board = BB in this case only!
 Schlereth and Carter!  ESPN's answer for full tilt speculation! During the Commissioner's coverage, the two of them were sitting playing out how the Pats could've used the tapes for in-games adjustments.(stalling for the commissioner statement) When the Commissioner finally spoke and stated Walsh kept the tapes in his possession? In stead of Mark and Chris just admitting that what we said couldn't have happened, they just ignored the commissioner and went on like he didn't say a word! Is there an award for the worst coverage of a news story on a major network? If so I'm nominating Schlereth! He must have taken one too many shots to the head!

  Palintonio has to be the best though! While attempting a Dan Rather imatation, little did he know that one tape had the Cheerleaders on it, playing behind his shoulder!  All the while, laughter broke out during the interview at the conference room!
  Sal, endulging Schlereth and Carter continued the wild eyed speculation.  Even Sal had to laugh later... Sal gets the "I wished I knew WTH is going on award!  Sal, stay on the Marvin Harrison case, gueeze!  You really looked dumb, trying to sell the cheater segment, while Cheerleaders were bustin thier moves...

  I have to say in all my years I have never seen a story, butchered and battered, mistold, misreported. False information ans a general bias that BB is the devil incarnate!  Tomase did you get a week off mandatory?  That's it?  You probably have a little more responsibility for the Pats losing the SuperBowl? You strired this pot and all you can say is, sorry?  Well, you're right about one thing you are sorry! So is the rest of the sports writing staff for allowing you to write this story in the first place.  Tomase can you say Duke Lacross Team Rape Case?  Is what you did the same thing? In my mind it is!  
Wow, a Patriots fan who is now in "fed up" and "had enough" mode.  It is all over the place that is why what Jon said in the roundtable is so important for the team to connect with the fans again.  Now we are subject to defending allegations and verbal abuse from other fans and some are getting testy and upset.  You are not alone!

And as for John Tomase .. I plead the fifth on what I would really like to happen to him.  :)

Posted: 5/26/2008 9:28 AM

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I really love to read others opinions.  Its a good way of helping us all look at any situation in another light.   However,  I gotta ask.  Is Jimbo Poore a Charger homo?  The man never has a good thing to say about anything.  Hell, if Randy Moss and Wes each catch 10 balls in a game with 5 touchdowns each, he would find something to whine about and some how find a way to call them cheaters or call them easy catches or in some way  discredit their achievments.  He is the only writer I get sick of reading. 

I never read his regular articles because I know their content will be laced with Pats bashing.  It is only when his verbal trash is commingled with quotes from other that I get sucked in.  The round table was a good read.  Why ruin it with the Jim Poore trash.

I don't expect to see a positive slant on every opinion posted but damm; Does it always have to be so blatantly biased?  Mr. Poore in my mind has very effectivly lowered himself to the level of all those gutless trolls that pop in and out of the Pats board.

Does Jim Poore work for the Herald?

Posted: 5/26/2008 10:19 AM

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Hddcrash...thanks for the comment. I am not a Charger "homo", nor do I write for the Herald. As a matter of fact, I live just a few minutes from Gillette Stadium. I apologize if you do not like the content of my articles, nor that you don't like what I have to say. I think that's great actually. I think that is what makes sports fun and entertaining. When I write my columns or answer the questions in the roundtable, I simply give my opinions based on what I know, whether it is fact ( which it often is ) or simply opinion. Either way, I have a right to say what I want, whether you or other fans do not like it.
   I give my answers because I know it tends to be a different perspective from others' thoughts. But I do not write or say something just to create controversy. I say it because I believe it to be true ( or simply know it is ) and feel that other readers like to see a different opinion. I find it interesting that you say I am very biased AGAINST the Patriots, and having that bias is unhealthy for discussion. However, others on this site have a very strong bias TOWARDS the Patriots, and that is ok. There lies the problem. I think it is unfair for me to get ripped ( though I admit I enjoy it ) because I simply have an opinion that does not agree with others. You say you do not like to read my articles or opinions, yet you continue to read. Obviously, I am doing something right, whether you or anyone else chooses to accept that. Thanks for reading!

Posted: 5/26/2008 10:35 AM

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Gee GR,

Tell us how you really feel about ESPN's coverage. 


To be honest, we all (I think all) completely understand being fed up with the multiple storylines being reported simultaneously on this topic.  One thing you can take from all of that is which outlets pushed their agendas (NY Post, Daily News...) and those who steered a straight path down the middle, not defending, nor attacking the team.  Those are probably going to be your best outlets for balanced coverage.

PI tried to steer the middle.  The taping was such a galvanizing event, it's not always easy to remain objective in the midst of the storm.  (see my note to JOhn C "girl who got booed")

Although I won't go to that place to defense the four letter network, some of the media has a real hard time with the fact that Belichick never apologized.  That just sticks in a lot of reporters' craws.  It's probably the single biggest reason fellow media members give for having a negative opinion of the team even after the punishment has been doled out.

Posted: 5/26/2008 10:38 AM

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Jim, what do you expect? This is the Patriots Insider forum?
  You can write anything you want!  I do recall however, you having a poor record(no pun intended) picking the Pats games.

  I have felt a bias since last year! If incorrect, I apologize.
Funny, I thought you were a Colts fan? 

Posted: 5/26/2008 11:08 AM

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GR, I realize this is a Patriots forum, and I suppose I should expect to take a little bit of heat. And again, I think it's great. However, I just find it a little troubling that someone can't offer a different opinion without hearing ( or reading ) personal attacks and insults. If someone wants to question me, great. I welcome it. I also realize that Patriotsnation is a very strong willed group of fans, and they will defend their team to any end. That's fine. But not everything involved with the Patriots is all fun and glory.
   As for my "picks", I ended up with a nearly .500 record for the season, which actually is pretty decent. Making EVERY pick against the spread is very difficult, and not every fan realizes that ( though I wish I did better ). As for my possible bias, I just tell it as I see it. I am not necessarily a Colts fan, but I will gladly admit I am a fan of Peyton Manning. I think he is a terrific quarterback.

Posted: 5/26/2008 8:37 PM

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JSinCT wrote: Gee GR,

Tell us how you really feel about ESPN's coverage. 


To be honest, we all (I think all) completely understand being fed up with the multiple storylines being reported simultaneously on this topic.  One thing you can take from all of that is which outlets pushed their agendas (NY Post, Daily News...) and those who steered a straight path down the middle, not defending, nor attacking the team.  Those are probably going to be your best outlets for balanced coverage.

PI tried to steer the middle.  The taping was such a galvanizing event, it's not always easy to remain objective in the midst of the storm.  (see my note to JOhn C "girl who got booed")

Although I won't go to that place to defense the four letter network, some of the media has a real hard time with the fact that Belichick never apologized.  That just sticks in a lot of reporters' craws.  It's probably the single biggest reason fellow media members give for having a negative opinion of the team even after the punishment has been doled out.
Never apologized????
I can find links to apologies on 2 different occasions. One last September after the fine, and the other at the NFL owners meeting.


"...I apologize to the Kraft family and every person directly or indirectly associated with the New England Patriots for the embarrassment, distraction and penalty my mistake caused. I also apologize to Patriots fans..."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/...tory?id=3018587


"...Robert Kraft and coach Bill Belichick made the rounds on Tuesday, apologizing for and explaining Spygate. In an emotional speech before NFL owners, Kraft and coach Belichick apologized for the franchise's involvement in the scandal."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/...tory?id=3323437



My take on the national media is that they are so full of themselves (Bob Ryan e.g.) they think coaches and players should kiss their *** and be honored to answer their questions. They can't stand a guy like Belichick who won't play their games, and won't tell them what they want to hear. The media guys hate Belichick because he never gives them anything to write about.
This is their revenge.

Posted: 5/26/2008 8:48 PM

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Bingo, - fumble, you nailed it. ... It's personal with the "elite" media - they come across  as self-obsessed morons, who think "they're owed" whatever they want. The more BB stiffs them - the better I like it.

Posted: 5/27/2008 4:38 PM

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Jim, thanks for responding...I think we all a little chaffed with all that's happened lately!  Seems like the Pats can't get a fair shake? 
   I post sometimes on PFT and it's unbelievable how other fans hate us and aren't really informed about the incompetence of the Herald , Tomase and ESPN! They  hear it, they hear   and  believe!  The NY times are also one of the main culprits!
   Did you paticapate in the Pick-um last year?  .500 is actually pretty good!  I think I was 3,4 over .500, Vegas laid some pretty strange lines? 
   Peyton is a great QB!  Brady is better!  We might disagree there.  Maybe it was because the lines were so high with the Pats?  I guess Vegas took a bath on the Pats like 8 weeks in a row! After that the lines were 22, 21 crazy? I do  remember reading  your   picks  prior to making mine.

  Anyway Jim, you know we're probably, oversensitive!  Right now, hopefully when the season starts, we can get back to football!

Posted: 5/27/2008 7:57 PM

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fumbleoski wrote:
JSinCT wrote: Gee GR,

Tell us how you really feel about ESPN's coverage. 


To be honest, we all (I think all) completely understand being fed up with the multiple storylines being reported simultaneously on this topic.  One thing you can take from all of that is which outlets pushed their agendas (NY Post, Daily News...) and those who steered a straight path down the middle, not defending, nor attacking the team.  Those are probably going to be your best outlets for balanced coverage.

PI tried to steer the middle.  The taping was such a galvanizing event, it's not always easy to remain objective in the midst of the storm.  (see my note to JOhn C "girl who got booed")

Although I won't go to that place to defense the four letter network, some of the media has a real hard time with the fact that Belichick never apologized.  That just sticks in a lot of reporters' craws.  It's probably the single biggest reason fellow media members give for having a negative opinion of the team even after the punishment has been doled out.
Never apologized????
I can find links to apologies on 2 different occasions. One last September after the fine, and the other at the NFL owners meeting.


"...


My take on the national media is that they are so full of themselves (Bob Ryan e.g.) they think coaches and players should kiss their *** and be honored to answer their questions. They can't stand a guy like Belichick who won't play their games, and won't tell them what they want to hear. The media guys hate Belichick because he never gives them anything to write about.
This is their revenge.
Fumble thanks for the links.
Good point about those apology statements... I should probably clarify my comment, though I'm a bit hesitant to do so, due to the sensitivity of the trust some people have placed in me... Hopefully this will help focus the point I was trying to make:

Many media types believe that he only apologized for "getting caught," at least that's how they explained it to me.

I've said numerous times... if you focus on the words Belichick uses (in any of the public comments), you will have a hard time clarifying exactly what he's talking about.  The words he choses are made with care.  He talked of the ramifications to everyone for getting caught and punished for what he continually refers to as "a mistake"

Believe me when I say, I'm not a Bill Belichick basher.  I've covered the man far too long to become jaded at his comments,.

I've learned long ago, that the truth lies between the words Belichick uses and the one(s) he carefully leaves out of his comments.

Posted: 5/28/2008 10:40 AM

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Seems almost more like politics sometimes ... don't necessarily admit to wrong doing in so many words but rather take the facts at hand and word them in a way that is not as damning but tries to look good in the public eye.

Even though since day one and the ornery Bill Belichick has always had a way to keep the goods close to the vest and not give any of the information that the media has wanted ... EVER.  I think that is why I like him.  But I will tell you, if I were a fan of another team, I would probably hate him with all my heart.  He has an arrogant presence about him that rubs others the wrong way but as Patriots fans, we have come to take it as sort of a feel of endearment.

Posted: 5/28/2008 7:36 PM

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ESPN should be ashamed of themselves. It's tabloid journalism...TMZ.
I understand today that they fired a sportscaster for saying something horrible about Senator Kennedy. We all have had our own thoughts on Senator Kennedy, whether good or bad but you don't wish someone dead! See that's the mentality of ESPN. They must be jacked up on some maryjane and a couple of 40 ounces. They're nothing but player haters.

Posted: 5/29/2008 8:40 AM

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Good point JS about Belichick in the words he uses and not uses....you want to pay attention to somewhere in between. When will peopl learn just because your a member of the media that you too can be fired.