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WR: Greg Orton -?

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Posted: 7/23/2014 10:18 PM

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The Patriots re-signed a, mostly unknown, free agent Wideout, Greg Orton.    

Apparently he had been a member of the Denver Broncos practice squad last year, and never saw the field.  But that is a Franchise that knows something or two .... about the Receiver position.  Greg Orton is 6-3, 199lbs (good size).  He was never drafted, but just a practice-squad cast away, who also played in the Arena Football League both in 2010, and 2011.  

In 2011, Greg Orton led his team (Spokane Shock) in receptions:120, receiving yards:1,588, and touchdowns:37.   Wow!!

Now granted,  this is NOT the NFL or NFL Defenses we're talking about here.  
But still that is quite a lot of on-the-field, in-game, real Football production  (far more than Dobson or Thompkins or Boyce ever had in College in their sorry lives, in any season......combined).   Putting up numbers like that requires some ability.

So maybe he can be the guy to move up into the depth chart and really contribute something positive.  

Then again, maybe Belichick is just too committed to his earlier Draft decisions (Boyce, Dobson, Thompkins, etc.), and will cut him in the snap of a finger (he was signed and then immediately dropped already once)

But keep you eyes on Greg Orton, and see in Training camp if he has some real potential here. I want to see what this guy can do......

   

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Posted: 7/23/2014 10:29 PM

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DerekLarsson2 wrote:
The Patriots re-signed a, mostly unknown, free agent Wideout, Greg Orton.    

Apparently he had been a member of the Denver Broncos practice squad last year, and never saw the field.  But that is a Franchise that knows something or two .... about the Receiver position.  Greg Orton is 6-3, 199lbs (good size).  He was never drafted, but just a practice-squad cast away, who also played in the Arena Football League both in 2010, and 2011.  

In 2011, Greg Orton led his team (Spokane Shock) in receptions:120, receiving yards:1,588, and touchdowns:37.   Wow!!

Now granted,  this is NOT the NFL or NFL Defenses we're talking about here.  
But still that is quite a of on-the-field, in-game, real Football production  (far more than Dobson or Thompkins or Boyce ever had in College, in any season combined).   Putting up numbers like that requires some ability.

So maybe he can be the guy to move up into the depth chart and really contribute something positive.  

Then again, maybe Belichick is just too committed to his earlier Draft decisions (Boyce, Dobson, Thompkins, etc.), and will cut him in the snap of a finger (he was signed and then immediately dropped already once)

But keep you eyes on Greg Orton, and see in Training camp if he has some real potential here. I want to see what this guy can do......


  

So just that I understand, you rip 3 rookies who battled injuries and were thrown into the fire waaaaaaaay to early but you are  all in on an undrafted, ex arena league guy,  who couldn't get off the practice squad? Not being a dick but really? LOL
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Posted: 7/23/2014 10:46 PM

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So just that I understand, you rip 3 rookies who battled injuries and were thrown into the fire waaaaaaaay to early  but you are  all in on an undrafted, ex arena league guy



1. None of them (3 rookies) had any big production at all in their College careers, whereas Greg Orton put up real big numbers in semi-professional Football.   So I call that a plus.

2. Apparently, Belichick did not think they were put in the lineup way too early, otherwise he wouldn't have decided to build the Team around them (and just 2 slot guys).


On-Field Production always carries more weight in my opinion then whether or not some College coach that Belichick is friends with simply likes the guy. 

Show me the numbers.....Show me the production......Neither Dobson, Thompkins, or Boyce ever raised any eyebrows or produced any big numbers on the National scene in College.  I'm not saying I have a crystal ball, and know for sure that Greg Orton will be a success here.  He may be a bust too. But..............he has a record trail  that is very encouraging, no?.  Putting up 1500 yards, 120 catches, 30+ TDs in Semi-Pro Ball   ....... let see the PUP-prone, broken footed, butter-fingered Dropson do that!  (or Boyce or Thompkins, or whoever). 

Its all about production.  That's the goal here.
Orton has an interesting past.  The others......notsomuch......

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Posted: 7/23/2014 11:00 PM

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Gronktastic wrote:
DerekLarsson2 wrote:
The Patriots re-signed a, mostly unknown, free agent Wideout, Greg Orton.    

Apparently he had been a member of the Denver Broncos practice squad last year, and never saw the field.  But that is a Franchise that knows something or two .... about the Receiver position.  Greg Orton is 6-3, 199lbs (good size).  He was never drafted, but just a practice-squad cast away, who also played in the Arena Football League both in 2010, and 2011.  

In 2011, Greg Orton led his team (Spokane Shock) in receptions:120, receiving yards:1,588, and touchdowns:37.   Wow!!

Now granted,  this is NOT the NFL or NFL Defenses we're talking about here.  
But still that is quite a of on-the-field, in-game, real Football production  (far more than Dobson or Thompkins or Boyce ever had in College, in any season combined).   Putting up numbers like that requires some ability.

So maybe he can be the guy to move up into the depth chart and really contribute something positive.  

Then again, maybe Belichick is just too committed to his earlier Draft decisions (Boyce, Dobson, Thompkins, etc.), and will cut him in the snap of a finger (he was signed and then immediately dropped already once)

But keep you eyes on Greg Orton, and see in Training camp if he has some real potential here. I want to see what this guy can do......


  

So just that I understand, you rip 3 rookies who battled injuries and were thrown into the fire waaaaaaaay to early but you are  all in on an undrafted, ex arena league guy,  who couldn't get off the practice squad? Not being a dick but really? LOL
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Posted: 7/24/2014 6:00 AM

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Apparently from Wikipedia:

return to the broncos[edit]

orton was re-signed by the broncos, as a member of the practice squad on november 29, 2012.[11]

he was released by the denver broncos on aug 26 2013.

new england patriots[edit]

orton was signed by the new england patriots to their practice squad on december 31, 2013. the team released him on may 22, 2014, but re-signed him on july 23 of that year.


so this ain't his first rodeo in foxboro.

and in two stints with DEN ... the team who knows all about WR's because NE doesn't know squat ... he never saw the field and was cut twice. Yup. "WOW." 

Yawn. Snort. Burp.

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Posted: 7/24/2014 6:43 AM

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Dobson had 165 receptions for 2,398 yards and 24 TDs at IAA Marshall.....that's probably ten times better than an arena team - which is what the Spokane team is.

Arena football you know where the scores are like 60-55

 

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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:42 PM

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"and in two stints with DEN ... the team who knows all about WR's< because NE doesn't know squat ... he never saw the field and was cut twice. Yup "WOW".



Being cut from a team that is already loaded up with real good receivers, like Denver, is hardly surprising.

Denver would probably also cut about  80% of the Patriots current Receivers on their roster.  In fact, I can't think of any WR on the Patriots roster that Denver would not cut, and actually choose over what they've already got.

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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:24 PM

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If only Belichick would stop winning DL's life would be so much less stressful.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:28 PM

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The only WR who had more receptions and yards than Edelman is D. Thomas.  After Sanders they are very pedestrian. Dobson would easily be kept. He was on pace for having more yards than Sanders.

 

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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:36 PM

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BB wants to deplete the team of any weapons at all for Tommy...
He will make him look bad then save the team with some new no names that won't take away from the genius factor the BB lives for in the medias and worlds eyes!
Anyone in the way will get hurt or mysteriously act way out of character till BB proves he is the only reason the Pats won when they did and will again.
Act bigger than BB or have too much talent and you go bye bye....
I feel for you  DL2... in your world that is.....lol

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Posted: 7/24/2014 6:51 PM

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He put up big offensive numbers in Arena Football?  That's so unusual, I'm glad the Pats were able to snatch this wunderkind up before anyone else got him.  He could be better than future HOF-er TJ Moe.


Seriously though, this is what you call adding bodies for training camp.  Nothing to see here.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 8:10 PM

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TNPatsFan wrote: He put up big offensive numbers in Arena Football?  That's so unusual, I'm glad the Pats were able to snatch this wunderkind up before anyone else got him.  He could be better than future HOF-er TJ Moe.


Seriously though, this is what you call adding bodies for training camp.  Nothing to see here.
LOL, the old arena league. You know where last year 15 different guys had over 120 receptions and 10 had 35 OR MORE RECEIVING TD'S

LMAO
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Posted: 7/25/2014 7:13 AM

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DerekLarsson2 wrote:
So just that I understand, you rip 3 rookies who battled injuries and were thrown into the fire waaaaaaaay to early  but you are  all in on an undrafted, ex arena league guy



1. None of them (3 rookies) had any big production at all in their College careers, whereas Greg Orton put up real big numbers in semi-professional Football.   So I call that a plus.

2. Apparently, Belichick did not think they were put in the lineup way too early, otherwise he wouldn't have decided to build the Team around them (and just 2 slot guys).


On-Field Production always carries more weight in my opinion then whether or not some College coach that Belichick is friends with simply likes the guy. 

Show me the numbers.....Show me the production......Neither Dobson, Thompkins, or Boyce ever raised any eyebrows or produced any big numbers on the National scene in College.  I'm not saying I have a crystal ball, and know for sure that Greg Orton will be a success here.  He may be a bust too. But..............he has a record trail  that is very encouraging, no?.  Putting up 1500 yards, 120 catches, 30+ TDs in Semi-Pro Ball   ....... let see the PUP-prone, broken footed, butter-fingered Dropson do that!  (or Boyce or Thompkins, or whoever). 

Its all about production.  That's the goal here.
Orton has an interesting past.  The others......notsomuch......

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Posted: 7/25/2014 10:31 AM

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Most of Dobson's drops were early in the season.  None after Pittsburgh in week 9. 

This blogger evaluated his 9 dropped passes: upon review, three were inexcusable, three were back-shoulder passes – with which Dobson struggled – and two others were the result of iffy throws.

http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2014/01/a_look_b ack_at_the_9_passes_aa.html


Upgrading the OL may help quite a bit.  Brady was forced to unload way too often last season

 

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Posted: 7/25/2014 1:57 PM

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Orton got carried off.  Orton won't hear a who in NE.

 

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Posted: 7/25/2014 2:32 PM

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From the Globe's practice report:

Receiver Greg Orton, signed two days ago, appeared to suffer a severe a lower-leg injury on a non-contact play during team drills. Several teammates wished him well as he the training staff tended to him, and Orton was carted off the field.

Damn that Belichick for letting the Only Hope They Have at the WR position practice. If he'd kept Orton in a hyperbaric chamber until opening day, they'd still have a chance to win more than 3 games.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 7:12 PM

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If I felt DL was sincerely looking for gems not just looking for another way to blame BB for TFB's lack of Championships...Well... I'd say hurrah.DL2...! these types of players can add depth and help the team morph into what it needs to for the long season..
But it's usually BB's ego and his way is just ruining Tommy's chances to be all universe to all universes..
No names will make a name for themselves under BB and his system.. Great to look for who they could be ahead of time.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 8:17 PM

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Thompkins could be one of those no-name guys. A guy who could have ended up dead by now given the crap he got into as a kid, he turned it around and was playing pretty well last season before getting injured.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 9:10 PM

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Per 98.5 he beat Revis on a play.  He came into camp bigger and seems to be going all out all the time.  He was last years' Sudfeld. Hopefully he won't flash out again.

 

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Posted: 7/26/2014 12:17 AM

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So is BB a bad coach for bringing in terrible WRs or is he a good coach for bringing in a bad WR? Im confused DL are u actually praising a move BB made?
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Posted: 7/26/2014 1:46 AM

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It was a good move only because Denver made it first. Which is why DL was such a fan of Tebow too.
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:00 PM

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DerekLarsson2 wrote:
The Patriots re-signed a, mostly unknown, free agent Wideout, Greg Orton.   

So maybe he can be the guy to move up into the depth chart and really contribute something positive.  

But keep you eyes on Greg Orton, I want to see what this guy can do......

   
Sorry DL2....BB did it again!
What a tire kicker! 
Another weapon for Tommy hits the road.
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Posted: 7/27/2014 6:22 PM

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Posted: 7/28/2014 1:31 PM

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Orton won't be helping but here's an article about one who might.

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/msn/aaron_d obson_among_top_2014_nfl_sleepers/16923115

 

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Posted: 7/28/2014 2:38 PM

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Orton won't be helping but here's an article about one who might.

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/msn/aaron_d obson_among_top_2014_nfl_sleepers/16923115


I'll believe it when I see it.    Dobson....(or is it Dropson), dropped way too many balls last year for me to feel excited about him. And he still isn't even on the field due to his foot injury.   His foot injury is what may be the real sleeper here.    As the great Wes Welker once said, "It all begins with the feet".  In Dobson's case, both of his extremities (hands...and do we have any ?) remain too big a question mark for me....

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Posted: 7/28/2014 3:15 PM

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Most of those drops were in early games.  He didn't even have the most drops on the team and was way behind the NFL leaders including B. Marshall, Welker, R. Bush, the Johnsons and V. Jackson

They held him to build up the muscle.  If you've ever had a limb in a cast yoi know  the muscle's atrophy quickly and takes a while to build up.

 

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Posted: 7/28/2014 3:49 PM

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The wrs are the biggest question mark in this offense.I didnt see much urgency to upgrade the position through a trade or even drafting wr when the 2014 nfl draft was deep at wr.There are other clubs in the afc with better wrs.
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Posted: 7/28/2014 5:46 PM

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One advantage over last season is that the entire WR group remains the same as last year, aside from the addition of Lafell.  So they should, repeat should, be better as a group this year with a whole season together.
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Posted: 7/28/2014 10:16 PM

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It's all BB's fault. If Denver had taken Dobson, then he'd be precisely the kind of weapon the Pats should have drafted.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 6:18 PM

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Brian Tyms >> Greg Orton
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Posted: 8/8/2014 6:29 PM

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TNPatsFan wrote: Brian Tyms >> Greg Orton
lol
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