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Posted: 3/13/2013 5:11 PM

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I figure this deserves it's own thread ...

Report: Welker agrees to terms with Broncos

After six years and 565 receptions, Wes Welker is no longer a New England Patriot.

The most productive receiver in the NFL from 2007-12 signed with Denver Wednesday afternoon, as first reported by ESPN’s Adam Schefter, and now will be trying to help Peyton Manning get to the Super Bowl and not Tom Brady.

The Patriots chose not to franchise Welker after doing so last season, and thus he became a free agent March 12. Various reports recently had Welker and the Patriots still negotiating, but evidently those broke down just prior to the start of the new league year on Tuesday, and Welker wasted little time finding a suitor.

Reports indicated Welker, who was married in June in Aspen, Col., went back to the Patriots to give them an opportunity to match Denver’s offer but ultimately the price proved too steep. Details of the contract are not yet available.

The inaugural three-day “legal tampering period” over the weekend generated some interest in Welker and perhaps that led to his decision to explore the free agent waters. Once he did, the chances of him returning for a seventh season in Foxborough diminished greatly, and now he’s a member of the Broncos, who received a huge boost in their quest to top the Patriots and climb atop the AFC.

Manning enjoyed a tremendous season in 2011 coming off multiple neck surgeries that prevented him from playing the previous year. Most of his passes went to the outside with Eric Decker and Demaryius Thomas doing much of the damage, but he also utilized veteran slot man Brandon Stokley. Stokley, at age 36, caught 45 passes for 544 yards (12.1-yard average) with five touchdowns. Obviously Welker, who caught 118 passes for 1,354 yards (11.5-yard average) and six touchdowns, would represent an upgrade and give the Broncos another valued weapon to their already potent passing game.
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Posted: 3/13/2013 5:18 PM

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My guess is there's more going on here than meets the eye, ... and with a "9 mil plus income" for just last year, he should be rather comfortable.
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Posted: 3/13/2013 5:21 PM

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I know this seems like insanity, but lets keep in mind a few things:

a) The notion that Brady wasn't prepared for this, and was probably in the loop on the decision, is nonsense. Of course Brady had to know this was possible and what the limits were. Unlike Flacco, he's not dumb enough to stick his nose into the situation.

b) What sucks is they got nothing for WW in trade. That's what really burns me.

c) BB was already trying to phase him out last year - so there was something going on that was started but not finished.

d) This has kind of become SOP for the Pats - look how they rebuilt RB's and TE's. They want to get younger at WR.

e) My gut tells me there's more to this than just getting younger at the WR position. The Pats have basically no WR's now, assuming Lloyd is also gone. Something else is in the works. Has to be.
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Posted: 3/13/2013 5:25 PM

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Amendola looks to be the target.
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Posted: 3/13/2013 5:26 PM

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OK ... so maybe I'm wrong about (a) ...

tomecurran
Spoke to someone close to Tom Brady. Beyond enraged at contract details that netted Broncos Wes Welker. "Disgrace" "disservice" were used.
3/13/13 2:21 PM

... oooops ...

tomecurran
@ProFootballTalk The source close to Brady was "enraged." I do not know Brady's state of mind. Sorry for the confusion.
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Posted: 3/13/2013 5:31 PM

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I am a little confused by the whole thing

1. 6 million a year is cheap IMO. I assumed he was asking for like 8-9, which in no way I would have paid. A lot of experts think Amendola will get  around 5-6. If thats the case then I am really confused

2. I would rather he had signed anywhere but Denver. With Pitt and Baltimore losing a lot this offseason I viewed Denver as our main road block.

3. Looking way ahead, how do we cover him> our linebackers are slow as hell and our CB's are weak(as of right now)

I guess it is best to sit back and let things play out, moves have to be coming

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Posted: 3/13/2013 5:34 PM

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So the pats couldnt give Welker 6 million dollars or 7?Thats a bargain!Smh.This is crazy.They need to add 2 wideouts and maybe draft one.They think the tight ends are wrs!You have a guy who cant even finish the season!Havent heard a lick on Talib as well.
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Posted: 3/13/2013 5:38 PM

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dominicanthug wrote: So the pats couldnt give Welker 6 million dollars or 7?Thats a bargain!Smh.This is crazy.

Totally agree, the way the media made it sound he was looking for something closer to 10.

I just hope we get a play maker at WR. No more recycled old guys like Branch or Stallworth, etc. If they want to use AH in the slot more then fine, but find someone on the outside who can make the safeties respect us
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Posted: 3/13/2013 5:42 PM

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Pats offer was 2Y/$10M + bonuses. So when you added it all up it was probably in the ballpark.
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Posted: 3/13/2013 5:44 PM

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This makes no sense to me, but based on the numbers involved, one thing is clear. They did not want him back. I just don't understand why. ohlord
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Posted: 3/13/2013 5:54 PM

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id have to second that........someone in pat town is full of ****.or did he want out?
K1770PW wrote: This makes no sense to me, but based on the numbers involved, one thing is clear. They did not want him back. I just don't understand why. ohlord
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Posted: 3/13/2013 5:58 PM

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This stinks.  I think that they wanted him back but they didn't think that a good team would make him a big offer (he was never going to the Raiders, which would prove that a good team made him in the first place).  I think that they gave him a low ball offer assuming that he wouldn't get as mad as he did and they would have time to match or surpass an offer.  I think that Welker got ticked at the low ball and obviously signed with Manning/Denver in a heartbeat...pretty much making sure that he'll be a weapon.

It's one thing for him to refuse a slight home town discount but I have a hard time disagreeing with him about getting ticked about such a low offer from us after completing a franchize tag season.
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Posted: 3/13/2013 6:05 PM

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It is easy to say "lets bring in Amendola andplug him in" but another aspect is that Welker was durable as hell. Guy never got hurt and would take massive hits and go right back across the middle.

Right now we seem to have all of our chips in on 2 great TE's that seem to always get hurt. I do  keep forgetting about Ballard though, guy can make plays and it will be interesting to see how we use him. If I had to guess I would say hernandez will get more slot work to get JB on the field more.

I am not familiar with Ballards blocking ability, anyone have any insight

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Posted: 3/13/2013 6:08 PM

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I dont disagree with Welker here at all. Either BB has something wrong with him...been thinking this a long while...maybe 3 years now.....or is someone else pulling the string-purse- ala Kraft....something isnt right in Pats town, hasnt been in awhile. Poor  drafting, bad ego moves during games..the list goes on....and us diehard fans just get used to it....kinda like the **** in sabres town...
sakes wrote: This stinks.  I think that they wanted him back but they didn't think that a good team would make him a big offer (he was never going to the Raiders, which would prove that a good team made him in the first place).  I think that they gave him a low ball offer assuming that he wouldn't get as mad as he did and they would have time to match or surpass an offer.  I think that Welker got ticked at the low ball and obviously signed with Manning/Denver in a heartbeat...pretty much making sure that he'll be a weapon.

It's one thing for him to refuse a slight home town discount but I have a hard time disagreeing with him about getting ticked about such a low offer from us after completing a franchize tag season.
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Posted: 3/13/2013 6:08 PM

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dokgonzo wrote: I know this seems like insanity, but lets keep in mind a few things:

a) The notion that Brady wasn't prepared for this, and was probably in the loop on the decision, is nonsense. Of course Brady had to know this was possible and what the limits were. Unlike Flacco, he's not dumb enough to stick his nose into the situation.

b) What sucks is they got nothing for WW in trade. That's what really burns me.

c) BB was already trying to phase him out last year - so there was something going on that was started but not finished.

d) This has kind of become SOP for the Pats - look how they rebuilt RB's and TE's. They want to get younger at WR.

e) My gut tells me there's more to this than just getting younger at the WR position. The Pats have basically no WR's now, assuming Lloyd is also gone. Something else is in the works. Has to be.
Re: C) this wasn't finished because of injuries and the obvious increase in production when he was in. 

Re: D) could be true, but does Brady really have enough time for us to get younger with our WR's?  It's taken about 2-3 years to do this with our LB's and it's taken us (fill in the blank) with our CB's.  Our WR drafts and non-Welker/Moss free agent signings haven't panned out. 

Re: E) I read this after I wrote my response to D, so I hope that you're right.
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Posted: 3/13/2013 6:11 PM

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ggilpereault wrote: I dont disagree with Welker here at all. Either BB has something wrong with him...been thinking this a long while...maybe 3 years now.....or is someone else pulling the string-purse- ala Kraft....something isnt right in Pats town, hasnt been in awhile. Poor  drafting, bad ego moves during games..the list goes on....and us diehard fans just get used to it....kinda like the **** in sabres town...
sakes wrote: This stinks.  I think that they wanted him back but they didn't think that a good team would make him a big offer (he was never going to the Raiders, which would prove that a good team made him in the first place).  I think that they gave him a low ball offer assuming that he wouldn't get as mad as he did and they would have time to match or surpass an offer.  I think that Welker got ticked at the low ball and obviously signed with Manning/Denver in a heartbeat...pretty much making sure that he'll be a weapon.

It's one thing for him to refuse a slight home town discount but I have a hard time disagreeing with him about getting ticked about such a low offer from us after completing a franchize tag season.
I agree with that.  I do have to say that the Pats have made many right moves by letting "vital" players go.  It would have been nice to keep Assante, but I usually feel like they know what they're doing.  This is the first time when I really don't trust their decision making.
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Posted: 3/13/2013 6:17 PM

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gee - here in Denver we are pretty happy. Thx guys. We needed that!  biggrin

 

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Posted: 3/13/2013 6:20 PM

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So - who steps up to replace WW in the line-up?

 

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Posted: 3/13/2013 6:34 PM

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Let me say that when I look at a season, the 4 teams that I have the most concern about are:

1) Steelers

2) Ravens

3) Broncos

4) Colts

With Manning going to the Broncos, Indy isn't as much of a concern .. at least for now.

With WW going to Denver .. and with Manning in Denver .. they are of MAJOR concern.

A few years ago, Vinatieri was lost to the Colts in much the same fashion (indifference on the part of the Pats) that Welker is now lost.

I had to look at my calender to see if I overslept and it was April 1st, but nope it isn't.

Let's hope that there is more unsaid than said about this situation and that more will come out as time progresses.

I wish Wes Welker nothing but the best for his future and thank him for all the greatness that we as Patriot fans became accustom to.
And as always .. Go Pats!

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Posted: 3/13/2013 6:43 PM

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All 12 miilion was guaranteed, I wonder how much we guaranteed?
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Posted: 3/13/2013 7:11 PM

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Everyone has a "price for their position" - time & money, plus age or all together. ... Welker did VERY well in New England, - if his demands were outside the Pats financial boundaries, then he has to adjust his demands - or move on. ... He's a great player, but being on the Pats with BB & Brady kinda "enhanced his career" quite a bit. - If he had Sanchez throwing the rock to him, - he'd be working on the ground crew part-time to make a few extra bucks. - He's become what's known as a "fan favorite" - but the FO can't run a team with "fan favorites". - Denver was probably the best move for him, - going to say the Browns & he'd be selling used cars in two years.

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Posted: 3/13/2013 7:22 PM

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Oh well.....and the Patriots will move on. What they really need is a Good WR. They were too dependent on Wes in the slot. Maybe now they can get back to the team they were in 07.
The time has come..... Here's to the 2014 Season.
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Posted: 3/13/2013 7:34 PM

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The Pats will be fine..
We're just gonna attack from more positions now and get younger. We need to improve the D.

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Posted: 3/13/2013 8:05 PM

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they will move on.........but how will the fans react-getting old
PatManpower wrote: The Pats will be fine..
We're just gonna attack from more positions now and get younger. We need to improve the D.
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Posted: 3/13/2013 8:18 PM

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Welker wanted guaranteed and he went to the highest bidder. I am not surprised at all. I said he was going to Denver a month ago. It was pretty easy to see that Welker would not sign.
I think this can be a good thing. Brady will be forces to throw to other players and wont be able to go right to his check down receiver. Danny A will bee a good replacement, but he needs to stay healthy. Now lets get Jennings and the Pats will be looking better than last year.

Lets remember that Welker lead the NFL in dropped passes this year as well.

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Posted: 3/13/2013 8:20 PM

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This is a tough one to swallow. I thnk I understand it. However, I wonder whether there really is a plan here. They need least two WRs now maybe more. I hope we're not going back to the dollar store days of 2006.

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Posted: 3/13/2013 8:29 PM

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Well, assuming they keep Edelman and Woody ... they have a complete arsenal of slot-receiver/utility-back players. Vereen and Hernandez can and have played flanker respectably, so ... oh, who am I kidding ... this sucks having Wes go the Donkeys and Seyton.
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Posted: 3/13/2013 8:31 PM

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Amendola can play on the outside so I guess there is a chance him and Edelman play at the same time
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Posted: 3/13/2013 8:52 PM

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The other truth here is that WW took an offer not significantly better than what the Pats were offering. With bonuses factored in, it was probably pretty close. He certainly didn't get the big pay day he was trying to get from Kraft, nor the 3-4 year deal we kept hearing he wanted.

So he made an emotional decision. Which isn't often wise when it comes to big business.

I still say there's more going on here. Not sure what. But I remember when they let Adam V. go - everyone though the sky was falling - and he never was the same player after leaving. He suddenly got injured a lot and missed kicks - and that isn't a function of the system - he's a kicker, afterall. But clearly BB saw a decline and cut ties while Adam could get a good gig elsewhere.
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Posted: 3/13/2013 9:52 PM

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dokgonzo wrote: Well, assuming they keep Edelman and Woody ... they have a complete arsenal of slot-receiver/utility-back players. Vereen and Hernandez can and have played flanker respectably, so ... oh, who am I kidding ... this sucks having Wes go the Donkeys and Seyton.
Dokgonzo:  LMAO .. Great ending to your post!  My step son is a die hard Rayda's fan
so this move potentially sucks for both he and I. devil Seytondevil (Haven't heard that one before) .. but in a moment such as this .. I needed the good laugh Thanks.eek1
And as always .. Go Pats!
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Posted: 3/13/2013 10:10 PM

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From your ole pal Fitzy:


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Posted: 3/13/2013 10:29 PM

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Brady restructured his contract .. I am sure .. for the good of the Patriot's future success.  I know it has been debated exactly why Tom did what he did.  I am also sure that Tom was privy to a good portion of the going ons with RK, BB and WW.

Tom .. being the smart guy that he is, figured alot of the possibilities before the WW signing in Denver. 

I would not be surprised if there was more to the story as to all the reasons why TB did the restructuring.  We just need to wait and see what shakes out in the FA market and the draft and how Tom's restructuring facilitated the Pats' moves.

Maybe .. as has been stated .. WW not signing with the Pats will be a good thing.

Just think .. things could be worse.  RK could have traded Brady to da Raydah's for Palmer!eek1
And as always .. Go Pats!
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Posted: 3/13/2013 10:35 PM

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While I'm definitely surprised at what the Pats offered him, it sounds like they were ready to move on, and they didn't make much of an effort to keep him.  I think they grew tired of him (and to be honest I kind of did myself).  

So now they still have all that money to use.  Just have to wait now and see what they do with it.  I think Amendola is a good signing.  They are still in position to have a good offseason here.  I'd kind of like to see them use that extra cap space to retain Talib, Edelman, and Vollmer, and then target some of the DB's that are available.  Then draft WR's like crazy in the draft.
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Posted: 3/13/2013 10:38 PM

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Pats offered 2Y/$10M+bonuses ... Donkeys offered 2Y/$12M ... so were the Pats *really* that far off in their value assessment? No long-term deal, no $10M/year like you'd kind expect for the #1 WR in the league. Sounds to me like they were maybe a little low, but not by much.

And WW jumped on the deal. Some day the real story will come out.
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Posted: 3/13/2013 10:47 PM

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Was he not just married in Aspen Colorado recently. I wonder where his wife is from? Weird situation i love him as a fan but sometimes we as fans are not privy to the teams inner workings we do not see everything the coaches do. I guess if the naysayers in here and you all know who you are throw crap at the wall enough times it will eventually stick. 
dokgonzo wrote: Pats offered 2Y/$10M+bonuses ... Donkeys offered 2Y/$12M ... so were the Pats *really* that far off in their value assessment? No long-term deal, no $10M/year like you'd kind expect for the #1 WR in the league. Sounds to me like they were maybe a little low, but not by much.

And WW jumped on the deal. Some day the real story will come out.







   

         

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Posted: 3/13/2013 10:53 PM

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Yup. You're right. He was married in Aspen. There are no coincidences.

And, you know, there is another upside here - it pushes Brady out of his comfort zone - this will force him to break his old habits of always throwing to WW - there's gonna be some drop-off early in the season, but overall this could rejuvenate TFB's game.

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Posted: 3/13/2013 11:15 PM

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I`m not sure how the whole thing will play out in the up coming year but I know Welker will stick it to that lousy NE secondary especially of  they don`t sign Talib. He`ll grab 18 balls and 3 TD`s against them

Nice job cheapskates! Now go lose Volmer, Talib and sign some goons that you will cut before training camp!
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Report: Welker agrees to terms with Broncos

After six years and 565 receptions, Wes Welker is no longer a New England Patriot.

The most productive receiver in the NFL from 2007-12 signed with Denver Wednesday afternoon, as first reported by ESPN’s Adam Schefter, and now will be trying to help Peyton Manning get to the Super Bowl and not Tom Brady.

The Patriots chose not to franchise Welker after doing so last season, and thus he became a free agent March 12. Various reports recently had Welker and the Patriots still negotiating, but evidently those broke down just prior to the start of the new league year on Tuesday, and Welker wasted little time finding a suitor.

Reports indicated Welker, who was married in June in Aspen, Col., went back to the Patriots to give them an opportunity to match Denver’s offer but ultimately the price proved too steep. Details of the contract are not yet available.

The inaugural three-day “legal tampering period” over the weekend generated some interest in Welker and perhaps that led to his decision to explore the free agent waters. Once he did, the chances of him returning for a seventh season in Foxborough diminished greatly, and now he’s a member of the Broncos, who received a huge boost in their quest to top the Patriots and climb atop the AFC.

Manning enjoyed a tremendous season in 2011 coming off multiple neck surgeries that prevented him from playing the previous year. Most of his passes went to the outside with Eric Decker and Demaryius Thomas doing much of the damage, but he also utilized veteran slot man Brandon Stokley. Stokley, at age 36, caught 45 passes for 544 yards (12.1-yard average) with five touchdowns. Obviously Welker, who caught 118 passes for 1,354 yards (11.5-yard average) and six touchdowns, would represent an upgrade and give the Broncos another valued weapon to their already potent passing game.
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Posted: 3/14/2013 9:44 AM

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Lets not forget the Pats offered 2yrs-16-18 million last year and Welker said no. So before we jump all over the Pats lets look at Welker here too. He was in it for the money plain and simple. If he cared about playing in NE then he would have took the 10Mil+bounuses. Fact is he didnt. And if he is one of the best WR in the game still, why did he only get 6 mil a year?

Fact is Welker is getting older and like it or not he is a product of the Patriots system. Just look at R. Caldwell for an example. I think Welker will do good in Denver, but if he really wanted to be a Patriot he would have took the deal the Pats offered. But he wanted guarenteed money and left. Money was more important than anything else to Welker. Just look at the past two years to figure that out.
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I`m not sure how the whole thing will play out in the up coming year but I know Welker will stick it to that lousy NE secondary especially of  they don`t sign Talib. He`ll grab 18 balls and 3 TD`s against them

Nice job cheapskates! Now go lose Volmer, Talib and sign some goons that you will cut before training camp!
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Report: Welker agrees to terms with Broncos

After six years and 565 receptions, Wes Welker is no longer a New England Patriot.

The most productive receiver in the NFL from 2007-12 signed with Denver Wednesday afternoon, as first reported by ESPN’s Adam Schefter, and now will be trying to help Peyton Manning get to the Super Bowl and not Tom Brady.

The Patriots chose not to franchise Welker after doing so last season, and thus he became a free agent March 12. Various reports recently had Welker and the Patriots still negotiating, but evidently those broke down just prior to the start of the new league year on Tuesday, and Welker wasted little time finding a suitor.

Reports indicated Welker, who was married in June in Aspen, Col., went back to the Patriots to give them an opportunity to match Denver’s offer but ultimately the price proved too steep. Details of the contract are not yet available.

The inaugural three-day “legal tampering period” over the weekend generated some interest in Welker and perhaps that led to his decision to explore the free agent waters. Once he did, the chances of him returning for a seventh season in Foxborough diminished greatly, and now he’s a member of the Broncos, who received a huge boost in their quest to top the Patriots and climb atop the AFC.

Manning enjoyed a tremendous season in 2011 coming off multiple neck surgeries that prevented him from playing the previous year. Most of his passes went to the outside with Eric Decker and Demaryius Thomas doing much of the damage, but he also utilized veteran slot man Brandon Stokley. Stokley, at age 36, caught 45 passes for 544 yards (12.1-yard average) with five touchdowns. Obviously Welker, who caught 118 passes for 1,354 yards (11.5-yard average) and six touchdowns, would represent an upgrade and give the Broncos another valued weapon to their already potent passing game.


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Posted: 3/14/2013 10:17 AM

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Now that the smoke has cleared I have no issues with letting Welker walk and bringing in DA, IF we resign Volmer, Talib and bring in some other defensive help

I mean lets be honest here, without Welker and Edelman and Amendola filling in we are still a top 5 passing  offense.

I would rather have a passing offense that ranks 8-10 and a defense that ranks top 10 then play the game where we have to score 35 because the defense gives up 34

Sign the guys mentioned above and then bring in a pass rusher

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