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Llody, - 32 years old & too costly??? ...

Posted: 2/6/2013 10:50 AM

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ESPN’s Mike Reiss writes that he’s “not sure it’s a slam dunk” that WR Brandon Lloyd will be back with the Patriots next season. Although Lloyd caught 74 passes for 911 yards and four touchdowns this year, Reiss points to his 2013 salary as the main reason why New England could look to move on without him next season. Lloyd has a $3 million bonus to go along with $1.9 million base salary next season, which amounts to a$4.5 million cap charge, according to Reiss. Lloyd will be 32 at the start of the 2013 season and there’s already been some talk that the Patriots could look to get younger at receiver next year. On top of that, it’s hard to say for certain that he’ll remain as effective as he’s been in recent years. Pro Football Focus rated Lloyd as the No. 14 best receiver in the league this season, but the Patriots were hoping that he would provide the deep threat that they’ve been without since they parted ways with Randy Moss and that really wasn’t the case this season. The post
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Posted: 2/6/2013 11:58 AM

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Too much of a hit for 2013 - 14. [lloyd]

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Posted: 2/6/2013 3:10 PM

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He may have to redo that contract. I can see an overhaul of the wide receiver position.

Chance favors the Prepared Mind.

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Posted: 2/6/2013 3:24 PM

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Why are some of these new receivers having problems catching on to the system?

Does the system need a little adjusting or is it the players?

Brady seems to lose trust in our WR deep threats lately. My guess is that running the ball more frequently and with a purpose will then open up these deep threats better. Play-action with a wide receiver who knows how to find space is such a great weapon.

I dunno?
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Posted: 2/6/2013 4:41 PM

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I don't think Lloyd had any trouble with the system.  He's just not a downfield speed receiver.  Never has been.  Statistically, though,  he was very good.
 
For comparison, in Deion Branch's best season as a Patriot, when he was the number one receiver, he had 78 catches, for 998 yards and 5 TD's.  He had a long of 51 yards, and 13 catches over 20 yards.

Brandon Lloyd in his only season as a Patriot and as at best the third option in the passing game had 74 catches for 911 yards and 4 TD's.  He had a long of 50 yards, and had 10 catches over 20 yards.


As far as the deep threat WR "need", I'm not sure why we all want that so much.  We saw what happened to the Pats offense when they went to that long ball offense a few years back.  I've always said I just want guys who can get open.  If they can get open 20 yards up the field, then even better.  But I don't really care if they have some burner to throw bombs to all day.

And let's face it.  Brady is not very accurate throwing long any more.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 5:11 PM

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I agree to a point TN. We also have Hernandez. I want a speedier more physical 15 to 20 yard receiver. No bombs away please!
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Posted: 2/6/2013 7:32 PM

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I think the problem with Lloyd was expectation - the fans somehow thought they were getting another Randy Moss. Lloyd certainly contributed and with a whole year under his belt, he'll be better next year. But they'll need to restructure his deal - because truth is they can Stallworth for veteran minimum and Dante will return kicks and bake brownies and whatever else BB asks in order to be on the team.

I do expect them to make some moves to get a couple younger WR's on the team tho. I think Edelman is the only starting WR under 30. Hernandez can play WR, so can Vereen - but they're not the kind of deep threat we're talking about.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 12:24 AM

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I disagree.They need wrs who are physical and have speed to burn.Brady needs to learn to throw it downfield once in awhile.You need to keep defenses on their toes.Brady is getting paid big bucks at the QB position.Your not asking him to throw it deep all the time but maybe 3 times each game.Guys that can actually get separation downfield.Welker is more shifty.LLoyd is what he is.He doesnt put fear into a CB.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 12:25 AM

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Man, I would love to see Boldin in this spot!
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Posted: 2/7/2013 12:40 AM

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Problem with whoever they're looking at is: yeah he's fast, but can he learn the system? What made Moss such a great fit was he had incredible Football IQ. Finding a guy with elite speed who can also catch the ball and who isn't a head-case is a trick. If they just need a guy to get open deep 3 or 4 times a game, they may as well bring Moss back.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 7:30 AM

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A good wr with some real speed would be fine, - but I REALLY don't want them throwing deep very often. It's not a good percentage play, only ONE good outcome possible, and about 50 things you don't want to happen.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 10:32 AM

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Big physical WR with speed is perfect!! Then someone with speed... YOUTH at the position... no more old men..

Chance favors the Prepared Mind.

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Posted: 2/7/2013 10:48 AM

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That would be great physically.  A Fitz or Megatron would be awesome.  Even Crabtree.

To simplify the issue a little  -  The issue is football IQ.  The Patriots ask the WR's to read the coverage like a QB and know which route of 3-4 they are to run based upon the coverage.  Tom Brady reads the coverage and if the WR's don't see what he sees they run the wrong route and Tom misses them because he expects something else and is trying to lead the reciever or put it only where that reciever can get it.

There are a few other teams that run similar systems but many still just call the play in the huddle and those are the routes that get run regardless of coverage.  Some systems give fewer routes to certain recievers while others give more.

On top of that TB audibles more than most QB's in the league do to take advantage of somethiong he sees in the coverage, so then the WR needs to know his route tree for the audible play and see the same coverage issue.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 10:49 AM

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PatManpower wrote: Why are some of these new receivers having problems catching on to the system?

Does the system need a little adjusting or is it the players?

Brady seems to lose trust in our WR deep threats lately. My guess is that running the ball more frequently and with a purpose will then open up these deep threats better. Play-action with a wide receiver who knows how to find space is such a great weapon.

I dunno?
Where's the l o n g  threat? LLoyd was slow to catch on and, really is over the hill. Expensive too. Youth is the key, IMO.

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Posted: 2/7/2013 6:15 PM

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There were quite a few times this season where Lloyd got open deep and Brady either over threw or under threw him, or just didn't get the ball to him for one reason or another.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 10:05 PM

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I dont think the guy is a deep threat anymore. Granted yes he will have a few deep catches like he did this season (or like mentioned above almost had). That being said he does have excellent body control and above average hands.

I'd like to see him back, but If he's asking for big money I dont think its a wise investment for the team.

Same could be said for Welker. The guy makes plays all day, though sometimes at the most crucial moments its like he gets a case of the stone hands. He's an important part of the offense, but at his age its going to be hard to make that huge investment in him.

Hopefully they can find a middle ground thats agreeable for all.
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