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Posted: 1/25/2013 4:17 PM

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has his time come? im wondering if its time to groom the next TB............hes seemed like hes choked the last few playoff appearances..or something
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Posted: 1/25/2013 4:35 PM

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It's a team thing like it always has been. Brady could easily Captain a ship to a championship but we need him to run a balanced attack.

How many touchdowns do you think he threw in that first Super Bowl run?

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Posted: 1/25/2013 5:15 PM

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I dont know.I would hope he still has that fire in his belly but that second half was brutal.Sure he didnt get help from Welker with that drop but the offense was brutal.They maded no adjustments and where mentally out of it.Its dissapointing.No points.I would hope its still in his mind.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 5:26 PM

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Dominican.... he'll be fine... a lot of players were out of position in big games lately and miracles beat us.... or else.. Play calling, a little better executing, yes some chemistry and he'll be fine. The Pats will be fine... We're about to get a bunch of players and it's going to be a great team. I really think so.


You always need to be grooming a backup quarterback
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Posted: 1/25/2013 6:04 PM

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Everyone's saying they need more WR's and this and that - but they need the defense back to what it once was so that they can still win important games when Brady is having a bad day. It's no longer "if" ... it's "when" ... the clutch is gone.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 7:24 PM

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i dunno, i think back to the sb loss to giants; think thats when it started.  im not saying that brady is not a good qb, what im saying , is i think its gonna take more out o the rest of the O to get bradys best from here on in. we wont see a better supporting cast- pats are cheap....wish it was different
dokgonzo wrote: Everyone's saying they need more WR's and this and that - but they need the defense back to what it once was so that they can still win important games when Brady is having a bad day. It's no longer "if" ... it's "when" ... the clutch is gone.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 9:44 PM

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If you go back to 2006 Brady has only had 2 good playoff games. He seems to fold when the pressure is on in the playoffs. He is more of a game manager now when it comes to the playoffs. If the Pats cant find a way to win games in the 20's and teens than Brady will not get another ring.
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Posted: 1/26/2013 7:14 AM

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Yes it has. Taquib(sp) go's out and the O folds up. The O and, well, the D too. The time has arrived to begin a real search for Mr. QB2. Look at the numbers in recent play off games. What is it 8 & 7, 7 & 7 ?

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Posted: 1/26/2013 7:57 AM

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It's not the offense at ball.  They need to improve the defense so it's up the early
2000's level. 

They put way too much pressure on teh offense to score.  Keep improving the D and add minor parts to the O like a big WR

 

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Posted: 1/26/2013 3:45 PM

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When it come to the AFCCG against the ravens this year  i could not disagree more. The offense blew it all by themselves. I mean really one count them one touch down and two field goals i mean really give me a break that is horrible beyond explanation.
GinoC wrote: It's not the offense at ball.  They need to improve the defense so it's up the early
2000's level. 

They put way too much pressure on teh offense to score.  Keep improving the D and add minor parts to the O like a big WR







   

         

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Posted: 1/26/2013 4:31 PM

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The offense sure didnt show up.13 points in today's nfl wont get it doned.The ravens defense is good but come on now.It was a big letdown.I wish there was a way to keep Welker and sign another wr through free agency.
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Posted: 1/26/2013 5:11 PM

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That old adage of "they can't win if they can't score" used to be what won titles for this team. Having the #1 offense in the league hasn't won them a SB because when Brady has a bad day, that's the ball game since the D isn't always strong enough to carry the team.
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Posted: 1/26/2013 6:57 PM

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I think the pressure put on the offense to score, in combination with the waether conditions, caused them not to execute in the clutch as they normally do.

 

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Posted: 1/26/2013 8:41 PM

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I think that is one big issue. The offense does not execute in the clutch anymore. They have to get a big lead and hold on. When was the last time you saw Brady lead a last minute drive for the win? Or when was the last time the Pats were down by more than 7 in the 4th qtr and Brady brought them back?

Im serious I cant think of many in the last few years, but I can name a ton of times the Offense can make a simple first down late in the game and the other team ends up winning.

EDIT: Looks like in the last 3 years Brady has two 4th quarter comebacks with late TD drives and one FG that lead to an OT win.

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Posted: 1/26/2013 9:11 PM

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The frustrating thing is they're probably only a couple of guys away from having a defense good enough to win the SB. They have a ton of talent out there, but can't get to the damn QB. They can stop the run and, when there's pressure the secondary does a decent job, but too often they don't get pressure.
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Posted: 1/26/2013 9:44 PM

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^^^
You beat me to it..... lol..I put it in the Patriot Plan thread..

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Posted: 1/27/2013 10:03 AM

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vinnybravo wrote: I think that is one big issue. The offense does not execute in the clutch anymore. They have to get a big lead and hold on. When was the last time you saw Brady lead a last minute drive for the win? Or when was the last time the Pats were down by more than 7 in the 4th qtr and Brady brought them back?

Im serious I cant think of many in the last few years, but I can name a ton of times the Offense can make a simple first down late in the game and the other team ends up winning.

EDIT: Looks like in the last 3 years Brady has two 4th quarter comebacks with late TD drives and one FG that lead to an OT win.
The Jets OT game this year.  They also had a game vs Miami in '11 where they scored 27 second half points to charge ahead, although not in the last minutes. They were down my at least a touch entering the 4Q.  They made a decent comback vs SF this year.

Of course a lot of that is mitigated by the fact they tend to get out to big leads.


They tend to only get consitant pressure on the QB when they blitz.  Maybe my memory is inaccurate, but I recall they blitzed a lot in the early 2000's.

 

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Posted: 1/27/2013 1:32 PM

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Lets leave the last minute dramatics out of it for a minute. You have to be playing a close game for that to happen.

Pats 67-1 when leading at half/home. Dominate teams don't end up in a lot of close games at the end.

67-1, are you kidding me? That's a lot of big leads with clutch play to get those leads. Hey we all know the team needs to improve in these last minute games, not just Brady. To think that Brady can't make a last minute winning play is just ridiculous.

The team needs to block, tackle and execute better and then they will Win these games more. You can't stop miracles and Brady doesn't block or tackle.

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Posted: 1/28/2013 8:15 AM

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GinoC wrote: It's not the offense at ball.  They need to improve the defense so it's up the early
2000's level. 

They put way too much pressure on teh offense to score.  Keep improving the D and add minor parts to the O like a big WR
Gino. So what part of that 2ND half did you like the most? "Awsome" offensive output or, "devistating" performance by the defense? Sir Brady's time has come!

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Posted: 1/28/2013 8:58 AM

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That old adage of "they can't win if they can't score", ...
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BINGO - Still completely true, - shut down "the other team" and you don't need your offense to put up 30+ points every time they play.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 9:42 AM

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I'll say this about Brady because I don't want to sound like DL. It is time for him to come out of the game in a blowout and the coaching staff needs to see how the backup plays..I do agree with that!

Brady HELPED (DL) lead the longest scoring drive in Superbowl history before the half last year. 96 yards.. the Giants wanted to preserve their lead with all their might.

The last 2 Super Bowls he did help us get the lead late in the game...

Is he as clutch as he used to be, nobody is their whole career, all the time except Montana. He had bad games to though.

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Posted: 1/28/2013 9:49 AM

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usernameNEP wrote:
GinoC wrote: It's not the offense at ball.  They need to improve the defense so it's up the early
2000's level. 

They put way too much pressure on teh offense to score.  Keep improving the D and add minor parts to the O like a big WR
Gino. So what part of that 2ND half did you like the most? "Awsome" offensive output or, "devistating" performance by the defense? Sir Brady's time has come!

I didn't like the offense throughout the game, they were still the top rated offense during the year.  BUT they seemed to wilt under the pressure that is put on them to outscore the opsosition because the defense can't be relied on just yet.

Anyone who thinks Brady's time has passed him by is way off the tracks.  He's not as good as he once was but he's still good enough to win a SB.

 

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Posted: 1/28/2013 10:36 AM

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dokgonzo wrote: The frustrating thing is they're probably only a couple of guys away from having a defense good enough to win the SB. They have a ton of talent out there, but can't get to the damn QB. They can stop the run and, when there's pressure the secondary does a decent job, but too often they don't get pressure.

Yep.  They've got to figure out a way to get pressure with the front four, in my opinion.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:35 PM

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The problem with the 67-1 when leading at the half stat, or any other stat where the Pats are playing from lead, is that it's not letting them win the games that count. When they run into a good defense, or an offense that doesn't commit turn-overs, they're toast because they don't have the ability anymore to just plain stop the other team. Just stop 'em - 3-and-out - done - we get the ball back.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:57 PM

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^^^
Agreed...I point out the halftime leads to put more focus on the rest of the team..That Brady is not the blame all.. He has the ability to still win close games and perform under pressure...IMO..
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Posted: 1/28/2013 1:39 PM

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Generally the offense puts up enough points to win, - they're nearly ALWAYS one of the highest scoring teams in the league, if not the highest scoring team. What more can be expected from the O??? - With Baltimore the D gave up nearly 30 points, - THAT'S a problem.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 2:37 PM

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But why did they give up 30 to the Cravens?

Well, two key injuries started the ball rolling. Talib and Love.

The as the momentum shifted, the D was out there more and more and more - as opposed to the first 20 minutes where the Pats had the ball for like 15 minutes and got a FG. So they wore down, and the Ravens OC was able to find vulnerabilities.

Then in the second half when it became clear that the Pats O had stalled out, the Ravens got more aggressive because they didn't have to worry as much about making a mistake - it's not like the Pats O was getting anything done but FG's.

That's the leverage of having a defense that doesn't need a T/O to get the ball back. That's what the Pats used to have. They could go 3-and-out on a series because they were getting the ball right back.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 3:16 PM

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I agree about the Cravens game Dok, - but that, as unfortunate as it was,  is only one game. Yes, a VERY important game. - But generally speaking, year after year after year their offense is about tops in the league. Makes no sense to change things based on one game, important or not. ... Another catch "here or there" and a couple of new first downs, - bingo, might easily have been a MUCH different game, who knows? - The D gave up a LOT of points.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 3:22 PM

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I guess my point is that the winds have shifted again.

When the Pats won 3 SB's the defense carried the day. Brady had his heroics, but the D kept the game close so he could Save The Day.

Then Manning and the Colts became dominant and the only way to beat him was to win a shoot-out. So the Pats changed to meet that challenge. 

Now things are back to where having the #1 offense just isn't good enough to win a title. Because the team you're playing in the SB will likely shut down that offense and unless you can shut theirs down, that's it.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 5:05 PM

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 IMO.. The D made it close at pressure time in that first SB..They couldn't stop the Rams at all at the end of that game..Brady and the O bailed them out after not being able to get a first down in previous drives, I do understand that.. Just like the D helped get them the lead..Working together they hung on to win the game.

The Panthers game was an intense Defensive game till it exploded at the end of the first half into the second half.. If we lose that game then Brady's interception going in to score would be why we lost that to many.. I think it was quickly there after that Jake and his boys took a 22-21 lead or something like that.

The Eagles SB depended on a team effort making clutch plays throughout the game and both the O and D had to hang on till Donovan threw that desperation INT to Rodney. Mcnabb looked terrible with no time to really win the game.

The images of Brady with drives he has to accomplish with less than 40 seconds on the clock (both Giants Wins) do hurt, but we had leads in those 4th quarters late.

Just some thoughts that I'm happy to have others dispute.
 
Turnovers, turnovers tell a lot also.

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Posted: 1/28/2013 7:04 PM

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There is something wrong with Brady though..IMO like others

Some will say it's immature of me but I'd like to see that steely side of him for the Whole game as many have mentioned. I think body language at times can say an awful lot. No pun intended.

We need this team to get Pizzzzzed and go on a mission,,

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> "I mean really one count them one touch down and two field goals"

1. In 2001, The Patriots only had 13-points against Oakland too in regulation, but they did not give-up 28.

2. When you are playing a great Defense, and a very physical Defense -- then you cannot just expect 35-points.

3. The St. Louis Rams of 2001 had a great Offense too, but were shutdown most of the game by the Patriots Defense.   But we have a complete reversal of that today, with all types of Teams able to pass for 400+ yards with ease against Belichick's Defense (and for the past 6 years too).

4. Blaming Brady for everything is just nonsense.  If not for a bizzare miracle helmet-catch by David Tyree, or ... a muffed Asante Samuel INT, then Brady would already have won his 4th Super Bowl in 2007 (along with an 19 - 0 record).   And if not for a Welker drop through his hands (in which NFL analyst and former TE Chris Collingsworth stated on the Air: "Oh my, Welker makes that catch 100 out of 100 times!"), and also another miracle catch then Brady would already have won his 5th Super Bowl last year.     And in the Baltimore game, we had another critical Welker drop when they were close to going-up by 2-scores, and then Ridley got knocked out of the game, and then also a tipped-pass.   Just a little better support from his teammates, and that game would have at least gone down to the wire (instead of a rout).


So Brady, despite the demise of the Patriots Defense over the last 7 years,  was just a couple of plays away from 5 Super Bowl wins.    

Clearly the real problems are elsewhere.....

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Posted: 1/29/2013 8:44 PM

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No one is "Blaming Brady for Everything." But just about every analyst and fan agrees he had at best a "C" game against the Cravens, and was far from perfect in the last SB. No one says it's all on him, but some of the biggest mistakes were his. A lot of other things went wrong to get to the point where one bad pass or one weird tip of the ball basically costs them the game.

The reason people rag on Brady a bit now is that he is playing average in the biggest games. He is tight and walking around with his head down. This has happened repeatedly now. To say there isn't some kind of problem is just as unrealistic as saying it's all his fault they lose.

And we all here agree that the D has been a shadow of it's former self. But the D also has kept them in these key games for 2 or 3 quarters when the O has been unable to score. Only after they've been left out there for 10 of every 15 minutes because the O keeps going 3-and-out do they finally break down.

So several things need to improve. The D has got to be able to stop good teams. Period. The offense has got to execute without dump mistakes. And Brady has got to bring his "A" game to post season every week. Every single week.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 8:49 PM

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DL you sound brady washed...
DerekLarsson2 wrote:
> "I mean really one count them one touch down and two field goals"

1. In 2001, The Patriots only had 13-points against Oakland too in regulation, but they did not give-up 28.

2. When you are playing a great Defense, and a very physical Defense -- then you cannot just expect 35-points.

3. The St. Louis Rams of 2001 had a great Offense too, but were shutdown most of the game by the Patriots Defense.   But we have a complete reversal of that today, with all types of Teams able to pass for 400+ yards with ease against Belichick's Defense (and for the past 6 years too).

4. Blaming Brady for everything is just nonsense.  If not for a bizzare miracle helmet-catch by David Tyree, or ... a muffed Asante Samuel INT, then Brady would already have won his 4th Super Bowl in 2007 (along with an 19 - 0 record).   And if not for a Welker drop through his hands (in which NFL analyst and former TE Chris Collingsworth stated on the Air: "Oh my, Welker makes that catch 100 out of 100 times!"), and also another miracle catch then Brady would already have won his 5th Super Bowl last year.     And in the Baltimore game, we had another critical Welker drop when they were close to going-up by 2-scores, and then Ridley got knocked out of the game, and then also a tipped-pass.   Just a little better support from his teammates, and that game would have at least gone down to the wire (instead of a rout).


So Brady, despite the demise of the Patriots Defense over the last 7 years,  was just a couple of plays away from 5 Super Bowl wins.    

Clearly the real problems are elsewhere.....
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Posted: 1/29/2013 9:25 PM

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Giselle what are you doing visiting that sight now....
 
The season is OVA!
I told you not everyone has to think I'm perfect.
 
I'm going to go give another interview on why we lost and get focused on next year.
 
Kraft doesn't believe the look in my eye anymore. I'm going to sulk management classes.
 
GFY everyone. The gridiron will be my stage for my final words!
 

Goal!...Go B's..they seem clutch
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Posted: 1/30/2013 7:39 AM

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GinoC wrote:
usernameNEP wrote:
GinoC wrote: It's not the offense at ball.  They need to improve the defense so it's up the early
2000's level. 

They put way too much pressure on teh offense to score.  Keep improving the D and add minor parts to the O like a big WR
Gino. So what part of that 2ND half did you like the most? "Awsome" offensive output or, "devistating" performance by the defense? Sir Brady's time has come!

I didn't like the offense throughout the game, they were still the top rated offense during the year.  BUT they seemed to wilt under the pressure that is put on them to outscore the opsosition because the defense can't be relied on just yet.

Anyone who thinks Brady's time has passed him by is way off the tracks.  He's not as good as he once was but he's still good enough to win a SB.
Look Gino ~ Brady will go down as among the best of all time. "Still good enough to win a SB ?" His skills are rapidly deminishing and, he has not won a SB in how many years now? My wish for Sir Brady is #4 . . . .

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Posted: 1/30/2013 7:44 AM

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ggilpereault wrote: DL you sound brady washed...
DerekLarsson2 wrote:
> "I mean really one count them one touch down and two field goals"

1. In 2001, The Patriots only had 13-points against Oakland too in regulation, but they did not give-up 28.

2. When you are playing a great Defense, and a very physical Defense -- then you cannot just expect 35-points.

3. The St. Louis Rams of 2001 had a great Offense too, but were shutdown most of the game by the Patriots Defense.   But we have a complete reversal of that today, with all types of Teams able to pass for 400+ yards with ease against Belichick's Defense (and for the past 6 years too).

4. Blaming Brady for everything is just nonsense.  If not for a bizzare miracle helmet-catch by David Tyree, or ... a muffed Asante Samuel INT, then Brady would already have won his 4th Super Bowl in 2007 (along with an 19 - 0 record).   And if not for a Welker drop through his hands (in which NFL analyst and former TE Chris Collingsworth stated on the Air: "Oh my, Welker makes that catch 100 out of 100 times!"), and also another miracle catch then Brady would already have won his 5th Super Bowl last year.     And in the Baltimore game, we had another critical Welker drop when they were close to going-up by 2-scores, and then Ridley got knocked out of the game, and then also a tipped-pass.   Just a little better support from his teammates, and that game would have at least gone down to the wire (instead of a rout).


So Brady, despite the demise of the Patriots Defense over the last 7 years,  was just a couple of plays away from 5 Super Bowl wins.    

Clearly the real problems are elsewhere.....
I guess the real problems are in player selection and drafts. No, I don't think so. Wern't the Pats within 25 yards of scoring 6 times? Only scored once.
I credit the Raven D AND half-time adjustments. I've seen enough. Belichick can not continue to do all the things he does during a game. Why does he do them? EVEN HE DOES NOT HAVE THE CONFIDENCE IN his coaches choices.

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Posted: 1/30/2013 1:28 PM

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This team should do everything to put the pieces in place for next year.Time is running out.I would think Brady would know this.This was a big opportunity that was wasted once again.I wonder if Brady is just happy with his 3 superbowl wins.The front office has to put the best team out there next year.Maybe if it means some chances and replacements.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 1:57 PM

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Brady has all the offensive tools he needs. Yeah, the WR's are on the back-side of old, but they're veterans and with 4 good young TE's and 4 good young RB's they have what they need.

McD needs to go to Weis U and learn how to adjust and game plan. Daboll isn't any kind of answer to this matter.

But most of all they need a top-5 defense so that Brady isn't put in a position where he has to score on every drive.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 2:19 PM

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There are very few human beings wired like Brady is still.
His intensity and drive is admired by all who know him well. During training camps the man is constantly in everybody's face talking to everyone with positive energy that is infectious to most.

I've seen instances in the bubble that he acts the same way and not in front of the public.

We've talked about wanting to see him more driven on the sideline and hopefully that will change.
Obviously players executing is much more important.

It's tough to watch us lose by 15 points in such a big game, it's been what 2 years when we lost to Cleveland?
Wasn't that next game when Brady and the Pats went on a tear in Pittsburgh carving them up?
Our soft team has owned some physical teams and will lose some because of bad play and bad luck just like every team.
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