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The Patriots are still elite

Posted: 1/24/2013 11:38 AM

The Patriots are still elite 


I`ll be as brief as possible. Despite losing out this season and falling just short the last two seasons, the Pats are still a very good team no matter how high our expectations as fans may be, not to mention  how down on this team we as fans can get (and I`ve been the biggest negative fan of all.) They don`t miss the playoffs and they usually can go at least one game deep if not all the way to the bowl every season; all of this with a young defense, hosts of injuries, and solid but not great talent in other positions. In addition, the losses have been very close and in most cases have been on the brink of a missed opportunity here and there: Welker`s drop last Sunday and Brady and BB`s clock miss-hap. If Eli is sacked and thrown to the ground without getting off a duck prayer ball that sticks to the helmet of a fly by night receiver; the Pats win SB 4 in the bb-brady era. If Welker makes that difficult catch last year late in the 4th quarter, the Pats are in excellent position of winning SB 5 in the BB-Brady era. If Brady completes a short 3rd and 2 pass to Brown in the closing minutes of the 06-07 AFC title game against the Colts; they advance to the Bowl and probably beat the Bruins. In addition, the drive just before the half of that championship game; which brown was called for that iffy push-off-could`ve put them up 28-3 or 24-3 at worse instead of 21-6 going into halftime. The dropped pass by TE algie crumpler puts the Pats up 10-0 against the Jets in the 2011 playoff game, not to mention that overthrown screen pass by brady led to an interception in that same game. The list goes on!    

Bottom line, year in and year out the Pats are always there, are a very good team and are very hard to beat!

Last edited 1/24/2013 11:48 AM by patbobby

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Posted: 1/24/2013 12:32 PM

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They're still one of the top teams in the league, but the're no longer clutch.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 1:12 PM

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Dok, I realize that but I`m a firm believer that the ball will bounce their way again.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 1:35 PM

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The window is closing on Brady.This was a golden opportunity.I thought this team was good enough to win it all.I did not like Brady's body language in the second half.I dont know if he has it in him to win that 4th ring. Barring injury and assuming they resign some key players,they will win another division title.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 1:58 PM

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The Patriots are talented but do they make the playoffs every year due to their talent, or is it more that the Pats play in arguably the weakest division in the NFL?
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Posted: 1/24/2013 2:11 PM

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The AFC east is a weak division but lets not make the other divisions great with overrated teams.The AFC west is a joke.The AFC north has an old steelers team and the bungles who havent won a playoff game in god knows how long.The texans division also isnt as strong.Its a dumb argument.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 2:36 PM

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dominicanthug wrote: The AFC east is a weak division but lets not make the other divisions great with overrated teams.The AFC west is a joke.The AFC north has an old steelers team and the bungles who havent won a playoff game in god knows how long.The texans division also isnt as strong.Its a dumb argument.
Not a dumb argument at all. Some divisions are stronger than others. How would the Patriots fair if they played in the AFC North and had to see the Ravens, Steelers, and Bengals twice a year?  Even the Browns have some talent especially on the defensive side of the ball. The Patriots IMHO would be no where near as dominate as they have been playing in the AFC East.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 2:49 PM

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It would become a strong division.I am sure the ravens and steelers would prefer the bengals and the browns lol.The steelers are an aging team.The bengals are a young team but the pats would handle them.While the ravens are a solid football team they are also an aging team on defense.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 2:52 PM

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The AFC-E was a dead heat at week 6 - everyone was 3-3 I think. Three and four years ago it was the Jets in the playoffs.

It's not just the ball bouncing their way, it's the dumb-as-dirt stuff they do all on their own.

These last two years were a gold opportunity for BB/Brady to get rings 4 and 5. And they imploded every stinking time - played like crap in their final games. A clutch team could still lose, but they wouldn't look like a junior varsity team doing it.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 3:00 PM

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By the way,didnt the lousy jets beat the browns and the bungles?lol.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 3:28 PM

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Post-pattern emerges for the Patriots

Rehashing Patriots playoff losses has become a rite of winter in New England, like skating on the Frog Pond or territorially claiming parking spaces with household items.

In the wake of the Patriots’ disheartening 28-13 AFC Championship game loss to the Baltimore Ravens last Sunday there has been a search for the common thread that has led to the unraveling of the Patriots’ Super Bowl-or-bust seasons in 2007, 2010, 2011 and this year.

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Posted: 1/24/2013 4:24 PM

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dominicanthug wrote: It would become a strong division.I am sure the ravens and steelers would prefer the bengals and the browns lol.The steelers are an aging team.The bengals are a young team but the pats would handle them.While the ravens are a solid football team they are also an aging team on defense.
While the Steelers and Ravens have some "age" to contend with, by and large those two teams are in the playoffs every year. I know the Steelers missed this year but they are always in the mix. The Pats have some age as well. Guys like Brady, Branch, Wilfolk, Welker and some of your o-lineman are not exactly "spring chickens" themselves.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 7:02 PM

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The patriots are young on defense.You are hyping up the AFC north.I dont wanna hear about the bungles.They havent won a playoff game in eons and the browns are what they are.The steelers are getting old on defense.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 7:53 PM

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The Pats went from being the oldest team in the league to one of the youngest in a period of about 3-4 seasons. And still went to the SB and AFCCG during that period.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 8:31 PM

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Hate to say it, - but the Seagulls might be worth keeping an eye on now, ...
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Posted: 1/25/2013 2:59 AM

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Of course we have a great chance to be back....I think they will be "Fired up for 4" in Feb 2014.

We want next years NY Superbowl for our best ever party. TFB will have at least 4 more PO victories than Montana, 4 rings and just an incredible career with maybe a few more years. How sweet it could be. Haters GFY!
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Posted: 1/25/2013 1:49 PM

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dominicanthug wrote: The patriots are young on defense.You are hyping up the AFC north.I dont wanna hear about the bungles.They havent won a playoff game in eons and the browns are what they are.The steelers are getting old on defense.
No, not hyping up the AFC North, just stating what I believe. I know Cincy hasn't won a playoff game but they are one of those teams on the "up swing". They have made the post-season the last two years. My point is look at a team like Cincy and compare them to the Bills, Dolphins, and Jets. Even you Pats fans would admit that the Bengals are ahead of all three of those teams regarding just "winning". You all keep up with this "old" premise. Yes, the Steelers and Ravens have some age on them. Heck, people have been saying for the last five or six years that the Ravens window has closed because of "age". Well, all the Ravens continue to do is make post-season after post-season appearances. Does not matter if you got guys who are "long in the tooth"; if they can still compete at a high level, this is all that matters.
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Posted: 1/26/2013 11:48 PM

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--- dokgonzo wrote:

The Pats went from being the oldest team in the league to one of the youngest in a period of about 3-4 seasons. And still went to the SB and AFCCG during that period.

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Imagine that...Thanks BB & Co.
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Posted: 1/27/2013 9:59 AM

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You guys are going to have to admit that the NFL has found a better story than the Brady is infallible, Bellichek is a genius story.

This year they wanted Ray Lewis and brothers coaching.

Im hoping this means that the refs will finally not give the Pats the benefit of the doubt on every play which is often impossible to overcome.

Dont believe me? Just remember how pissed you were at the replacement refs who werent towing the Brady is God line.

As a Bostoner, i truly hope this is the end of an era for a group who are truly, truly the worst fans in football.
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Posted: 1/27/2013 11:52 AM

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silvernblu wrote: You guys are going to have to admit that the NFL has found a better story than the Brady is infallible, Bellichek is a genius story.

This year they wanted Ray Lewis and brothers coaching.

Im hoping this means that the refs will finally not give the Pats the benefit of the doubt on every play which is often impossible to overcome.

Dont believe me? Just remember how pissed you were at the replacement refs who werent towing the Brady is God line.

As a Bostoner, i truly hope this is the end of an era for a group who are truly, truly the worst fans in football.
Go play with your anus like Romo.

 

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Posted: 1/27/2013 12:24 PM

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So, silverbutt is implying that the NFL is rigged, and chooses the storyline for each season, much like pro wrestling. Yeah, that's so much better than living with the fact that BB/RK and the Pats are so much better than Jerruh's Kids.

And the correct term is "Bostonian" - what a rube.

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Posted: 1/27/2013 12:44 PM

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The Cowboys have been a big story...on how to lose get laughed at.  When are they hosting the next SB?

 

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Posted: 1/27/2013 1:06 PM

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SB to them means:

Sleepover Boys!

Let's play hide and seek
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Posted: 1/28/2013 10:35 AM

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Dallas will never win anything with Romo.  That's been obvious for a long time now.  Jason Garrett coaching them doesn't help either.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 11:39 AM

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I love how other teams fans think the Patriots are the same exact team they were in the early 2000's.  When in fact it's just TB and VW left.  The team has been in a state of rebuilding for 6 years or so and has still managed a season worst 11-5 with a Matt Cassel QB'd team. 

If Matt Cassel is worth 11-5 TB will get at least that every year until he hangs it up and if the team keeps acquiring talent around him the chances are much better that the team gets over the hump and is prepared for transition post TB.
It is the NFL...Not a knitting class.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:40 PM

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I would say that The Patriots just do not have the composition to match-up well with very physical teams.  

They can beat everyone else, and usually do.  But they beat them only with their Offense, and not with their continuously low-ranking Defense.  During their Super Bowl period, they had much more balance, and once a awhile the Defense would make some game-changing plays.

But for the last 6-7 years, Tom Brady has to score 30+ points every single game or this team simply loses.  When one guy has to continually carry the team, then the team is not Elite.  And name another QB who has ever won it all under those  uphill conditions?   The Tom Brady of 9 years ago would not win under today's team limitations either.  

Yet Tom Brady made this team the NFL's #1 ranking Offense (and with no deep threat). He's still the NFL's best QB ... if he is not pressured:  4800-yards, 34-TDs, just 8-INTs, ~100-QBR, etc., and this team would be absolutely nowhere without him.

But I agree that Brady has a harder time now when he gets pressured than in the early days, and he also has less trust that his receivers will necessarily run the right routes sometimes, or catch the damn ball, or be in the correct spot.  

If Brady had a tall, physical receiver on the outside that could really go up for the ball that would make the game easy for him.   But when you are always throwing into tight windows, and none of receivers really get much separation (or can outfight the defenders for the ball), then the real physical teams will always shutdown that type of Offense.

But if we also had a Defense, that could still keep The Patriots in the game  if the Offense was struggling, then that would be the equalizer.

We don't have that.
We  used  to....

The numbers say that Brady performs more consistently now than during the 2001-2005 Super Bowl period. The numbers also say that The Defense does not come even close to matching those years.

If Brady has lost confidence, it's because his job is much harder now.
Nobody can be perfect all the time, especially if they only have 2-seconds to get rid of the ball.

The odds are just greater, and they will remain greater until there is better balance.

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Posted: 1/29/2013 1:22 PM

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dokgonzo wrote: 

And the correct term is "Bostonian" - what a rube.


classic

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Posted: 1/29/2013 1:37 PM

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I agree with DL2, except for the fact that Brady doesn't single-handedly score those points. The RB's account for more and more recently.

I'm worried about them drafting a WR as it seems the odds of a rookie thriving in this system are pretty low. The last rookie WR to stick around and actually perform was probably Terry Glenn.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 4:51 PM

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Every Pat fan here wants balance.... As far as the D holding scoring down and the ability to run the ball on crucial downs.
 
With the few picks we have I agree dok. If they get a WR please do not spend big money on them, unless they are proven in this league and we have addressed the D some more..

We need to take advantage of these BB, Brady, Big V, days and keep an eye on the future but with a little more urgency for the now!

DL we do agree on some, and Brady does need help.... Always has and always will. The great things that have happened for him are because of the team. As are the bad things that are happening. Yes he is a great player. But he does make unforced errors,  yes all on his own and has his whole career just like other great players. That's my only irk with your posts. I've never heard you say he has had a bad anything, it's always someone else's fault. You do keep things interesting and are very consistent.

He had plenty of time in our home PO Jet loss. That was their strategy. Make him over think then send a delayed blitz. Cover his weapons and then move him from his comfort spot in the pocket. Yes we wasted time on O but Brady was awful with some of his throws while having time.
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