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Posted: 1/20/2013 11:35 PM

3 threads merged into one. Patriots plan. 


Hey guys my name is Zach and from Illinois n huge pats fan. Long intro short Tom Brady and BB have helped me become a better person , over come odds and become a better wrestling coach. Here is my plan for next year after what I saw.
Bring back Romeo as dc. Was part of last Super Bowl team and pats need him.
Become more of a running team will help d out.
Upgrade the d either upgrade the secondary or use jimmy Johnson strategy n have best pass rush to compensate secondary.
Figure out if Tom Brady has eye of the tiger or if he is to Hollywood . If he lost eye of tiger get a Herschel walker trade going on with team like Vikings , cards etc. I believe mallet or even tebow can get us in playoffs in division key is getting back to early to mid 2000 form
.Either have greatest leader on earth take us to Super Bowl or get what can from him. Love Tom but he looked like rocky in the first fight of rocky 3.

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Posted: 1/21/2013 12:09 AM

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His body language stunk!I hope the local media saw it and ripped him for it!You gotta take the heat.The game was still in the air and he had the deer with the headlights look.I am just surprised because he is a great competitor.
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Posted: 1/21/2013 4:45 PM

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-- acquire a legitimate deep threat at receiver;

-- continue to improve the talent level and depth at cornerback, especially if the Pats don't resign Talib;

-- continue to improve the talent level and depth at safety; it would be nice to have difference-maker back there, but not such a high priority that it takes precedence over cornerback;

-- start acquiring more talent on the defensive line; the lack of a pass rush hurts the Pats in big games, and Wilfork is 31, so he won't be around forever;

-- as opportunity permits, continue building depth on the offensive line.

The Pats have to figure out which of the above can be accomplished through the draft and which through free agency.  They should not expect that they can meet all their priorities through the next draft.  Brady has only a few more seasons, so now is the time for the Pats to make a push to get all the pieces in place for another championship.
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Posted: 1/21/2013 4:48 PM

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I don't think the Pats would be better off with Mallet rather than Brady, and Tebow?  Please no.

Brady is still an elite quarterback.  Of all the Pats flaws, Brady is not one of them.
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Posted: 1/21/2013 4:58 PM

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The defense back field it terrible. I do like Dennard and think he can be a decent #2. Talib was good when healthy but can we count on him? Our safety's are worse than horrible. McCourty is even as a fill in stunk, Gregory stunk, and Wilson could be the worst pick since Bethel Johnson. and as much as I like Chung its time to put him in the 2nd round bust group.

We need another interior defensive lineman to go next to Vince. Love was pushed around too much by one player and does nothing for the pass rush.

We need OLB in the worst way. Niko is great for 3 or 4 plays, but the other 65 he is no where to be found. He is bad against the run and worse against the pass. At this point he is not as good as TBC was. Jones is pretty much in the same boat. He looks to a one trick pony and his trick is not all that great.

We need another TE who can catch the ball. Hernandez is not a TE. He does not block well at all. He can create mismatches but needs Gronk in the worst way. And once gronk got hurt it hurt Hernandez. The TE's we have are simply roster fillers.

I think we have seen the end of Welker. I dont think the Patriots will sign him for multiple years like he wants and he is not worth the franchise tag. Can you say hello Denver?? I think Lloyd did a good job but the Pats still need a physical receiver who can play outside the numbers.

I would love to see some help at center and Guard as well.
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Posted: 1/21/2013 6:26 PM

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Some of the Boston media read that Talib is not coming back into his remarks today. Mainly because he spoke about his time with the Pats in the past tense. But maybe that's just because he doesn't actually know what's coming next, so all he can talk about is the season that just ended. I think he's an important guy to sign back up. He and Dennard make a pretty good pair of corners.

Dowling and Arrington ... uh ... if Dowling gets hurt in camp/pre-season again he's gone. Arrington is on the bubble. So they - once again - need another corner.

Gregory isn't horrible, McCourty can be a great safety if he starts the season there and sticks with it. Chung ... gets hurt every year and has started making costly mental errors since losing his starting job. Wilson did OK for a rookie season - he looked like a rookie, but made a few decent plays. So odds are they need another safety too since I don't know if Chung comes back.

The #1 pick has to be either DL or an OLB. Enough of the hybrid DE/OLB crap already. They need another Wilfork and another Willie Mac. If they can get a pass rush, the secondary is actually good enough to do the job. 

The RB's are fine - assuming Ridley's concussion isn't severe and he makes a full recovery. They signed Develin to a futures contract, Demps is there, Vereen, Woody, Bolden.

QB ... uh ... if Mallett is the next guy, they better figure that out ASAP and start getting him ready.

OL ... Brady gets pretty good protection and the run-blocking has improved. Not the biggest need right now.

WR ... I think they trade Welker ... they may need to franchise him to make that happen because a lot of teams expect him to be let go at the end of his contract. But I can't see RK letting someone with such high value just walk without getting something for him. They should be able to get a 2nd and 4th rounder for him. Unless WW decides to take a team-friendly contract.

Branch, Stallworth, Gaffney - gone or won't be back. Lloyd - I don't know what BB's expectations were, but he could have contributed more and he's not exactly young. So I think they draft/trade for WR's - 3 or 4 maybe. It could be good for Brady to not have the "old reliable" guys there and have to break his old/bad habits.

TE ... Gonk, Herny, Hooman, Ballard ... they're set ... Fells didn't do much so Ballard gets his spot.

Coaches ... BB announced he's coming back. They need a real DC, Patricia hasn't impressed me all that much. McD is improving but he should have been in Brady's face yesterday telling him to wake the hell up and show some fire.
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Posted: 1/21/2013 6:44 PM

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Lose Talib and this secondary is back to square one.I will be disgusted if this guy is not resign.He basically can shut one side of the field. He can work with the strenght and conditioning coach on getting stronger in the offseason. I cant believe people keep getting on this secondary.If they bring back Talib,they will have two solid corners. The offense put the defense to sleep last night!
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Posted: 1/21/2013 7:30 PM

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The Patriots are a very good Football team. 
But just not balanced enough to be the #1 team. 

This is true for this year, it was also true last year, the year before as well, and it will most likely be true for next year too -- unless Belichick does something really amazing in the 2013 Draft, and in the Free Agency period.

This was obvious yesterday as soon as Cornerback Aqib Talib limped off the field, and left them without a Cornerback that could man up. 

Once that happened, then passing against the N.E. Patriots Defense became as easy as shooting fish in a barrel -- just as it had been earlier in the season.

Thanks to Vince Wilfork, they are pretty good against the run.  But they are, and have always been horrible against the Pass - ever since management thought it was cool to not re-sign their last pro-Bowl corner.  Whatever the cost was, clearly the cost of year-after-year of re-shuffled and  lackluster performers and incompetence dragging down the Team every single season, has been the far, far greater cost.  The Patriots Defense has never been one of the better units in the NFL over the last 7 years. Instead, it has consistently ranked in the #29 - #31 area over the last seven years against the Pass.  This is unacceptable, and it puts way much too much pressure on the Offense week-in-and-week-out.

Miraculously, the Offense can usually overcome this, but to really expect that a last place or near last place passing NFL Defense is going to be "good enough" for a team to win NFL Championships is just totally unrealistic, and near impossible.

With QB Tom Brady carrying the Team to score 30-40 points virtually every week,  they've managed to fool people and disguise that entire problem.......except anytime they have to play an extremely physical team, or an extremely hot team that can actually hold down their top-rated Offense. 

The truth is that Brady has played even better, and scored more points week in and week out over the recent years than he did during the early stages of his Career -- but the Patriot Defense has regressed into something that is miles and miles apart from their Super Bowl teams and is nowhere near that level.


And it is quite predictable that even the best Offense can be knocked down (by someone) eventually, if the team is only built to just operate in a narrow window of coverage, which allows Defenses to bring people up forward into the middle of the field, and not have to protect anything vertically.



Both Wes Welker (two critical drive-killing 3rd-down drops), and Tom Brady played flawed games, and yet they have become essentially almost a two-man team -- with the pressure on them to ... do almost everything... all the time, which at some point must be overwhelming. 

Any Offense that has been built around just for the middle-of-the-field and short plays will eventually meet its match (especially against a very physical defense).



And while they have many "weapons", they do not have many one-on-one matchup winners, or enough vertical diversity.  Brady, unlike Joe Flacco, does not have the luxury to just toss the ball up high and have some tall, physical wide-outs outjump or outfight defenders for the ball  (instead Brandon Lloyd, or whoever, will often allow defenders to just out muscle them or step in front - leaving Brady in a damned if I do and damned if I don't situation).

   

What the Patriots need is obvious, and has been obvious for some time:

Defense:

1.  Shutdown Corners - and, please: height deficient (small) players and special-teamers will never fill that role.  Belichick needs to get serious about this position.

2.  Re-signing Aqib Talib is just one-piece of the puzzle, but they need other true cover-corners and better depth that would be an upgrade over players like Arrington, Coles, etc.

3. Pass Rushers  (clearly Chandler Jones is not enough here). The Patriots consistently put little if any pressure on opposing QBs.

4. The Personnel that allows them to Blitz more often, and get away from their wobbly "base defense" package.



Offense:

1. Expand the Field Vertically:  They need Taller and more Physical Receivers who can get separation and outfight and vertically outjump defenders for the ball.  Belichick's obsession with slot-receiver types give opposing Defenses a real advantage (shorter field to deal with).

3. The Re-signing of Wes Welker (with all that he has done) must happen, as there is no one else who can step in and come close to matching his consistent level of productivity (even with the drops).

4. Brady wiggles around in the pocket good enough to avoid many sacks, but against good teams he often gets flushed from the pocket, and gets many hard knockdowns and hard hits.  Better Offensive Line protection (particularly in the middle) is a must if a 36-year-old QB is going to be able to hold-up over 20 weeks.

5. They also need some answer to their perpetually injury-prone Tight-Ends.  When their best weapons are always on the sidelines or limping around, there's a limit to how many times the Team can overcome that.  


   

 
 

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Posted: 1/21/2013 8:15 PM

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I cant believe people are still getting on this defense.The 49ers defense yesterday gave up 28 points!)You are not gonna win nfl games scoring a lousy 13 points!I thought they did a decent job when Talib left the game.This offense piss the bed!I disagree about not having another man corner.I really Dennard as a man corner.Would not shock me next year if this guy maded the pro bowl.Assuming he is healthy.They need to resign Talib and add another corner for depth.The d-line to me needs another guy.
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Posted: 1/21/2013 8:20 PM

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So, to condense DL2's post: Brady played poorly, but it's not his fault because BB can't draft and everyone else on the roster except Welker is useless. Seems legit.
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Posted: 1/21/2013 9:31 PM

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Agree re: Talib...I just hope they think the same way. It comes down to his price tag and what the Pats will pay; but who the hell else is out there. The other thing is his health. 
dominicanthug wrote: Lose Talib and this secondary is back to square one.I will be disgusted if this guy is not resign.He basically can shut one side of the field. He can work with the strenght and conditioning coach on getting stronger in the offseason. I cant believe people keep getting on this secondary.If they bring back Talib,they will have two solid corners. The offense put the defense to sleep last night!
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Posted: 1/21/2013 9:43 PM

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dokgonzo wrote: Some of the Boston media read that Talib is not coming back into his remarks today. Mainly because he spoke about his time with the Pats in the past tense. But maybe that's just because he doesn't actually know what's coming next, so all he can talk about is the season that just ended. I think he's an important guy to sign back up. He and Dennard make a pretty good pair of corners.

Dowling and Arrington ... uh ... if Dowling gets hurt in camp/pre-season again he's gone. Arrington is on the bubble. So they - once again - need another corner.

Gregory isn't horrible, McCourty can be a great safety if he starts the season there and sticks with it. Chung ... gets hurt every year and has started making costly mental errors since losing his starting job. Wilson did OK for a rookie season - he looked like a rookie, but made a few decent plays. So odds are they need another safety too since I don't know if Chung comes back.

The #1 pick has to be either DL or an OLB. Enough of the hybrid DE/OLB crap already. They need another Wilfork and another Willie Mac. If they can get a pass rush, the secondary is actually good enough to do the job. 

The RB's are fine - assuming Ridley's concussion isn't severe and he makes a full recovery. They signed Develin to a futures contract, Demps is there, Vereen, Woody, Bolden.

QB ... uh ... if Mallett is the next guy, they better figure that out ASAP and start getting him ready.

OL ... Brady gets pretty good protection and the run-blocking has improved. Not the biggest need right now.

WR ... I think they trade Welker ... they may need to franchise him to make that happen because a lot of teams expect him to be let go at the end of his contract. But I can't see RK letting someone with such high value just walk without getting something for him. They should be able to get a 2nd and 4th rounder for him. Unless WW decides to take a team-friendly contract.

Branch, Stallworth, Gaffney - gone or won't be back. Lloyd - I don't know what BB's expectations were, but he could have contributed more and he's not exactly young. So I think they draft/trade for WR's - 3 or 4 maybe. It could be good for Brady to not have the "old reliable" guys there and have to break his old/bad habits.

TE ... Gonk, Herny, Hooman, Ballard ... they're set ... Fells didn't do much so Ballard gets his spot.

Coaches ... BB announced he's coming back. They need a real DC, Patricia hasn't impressed me all that much. McD is improving but he should have been in Brady's face yesterday telling him to wake the hell up and show some fire.
I have to disagree with you. Both Gregory and McCourty cannot line up and play man at anytime. Add to that they both take terrible routes on long balls. Gregory seems to always be out of position and is a very bad tackler. McCourty is a good tackler, but he just had too much trouble reading the plays. I think McCOurty is at best a nicle corner and a back up Safety at best.
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Posted: 1/21/2013 10:19 PM

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I know he's not a flaw the d is. If pats could Herschel walker Brady would bb do it?
N we need Romeo back
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Posted: 1/21/2013 10:29 PM

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Any chance we draft the honey badger in the late rounds
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Posted: 1/21/2013 10:46 PM

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> " I cant believe people are still getting on this defense.The 49ers defense yesterday gave up 28 points!)"


Well, if you remember, if The Patriots Defense had given-up 28-points against the St. Louis Rams back in 2001-2002, then they would've lost that 1st Super Bowl.   And if The Patriots Defense had given-up 28-points against the Philadelphia Eagles in their 3rd Super Bowl, then they would have also lost that one as well.   So the same standard applies.

Having a balanced team always helps, and to win a Championship it is a requirement.

But they gave up 28-points even to the Houston Texans.  And then yesterday, Joe Flacco could've easily put more points on the board had they not already been ahead by two-scores, and were just trying to milk out the clock.  If Flacco wanted to just keep on throwing.....he could have.

The Ravens scored 21-points in about 9 minutes (after the Wes Welker dropped 3rd-down conversion).  It is hard to overcome those things, especially against a very physical team  which The Patriots do not have the personnel  to compete well with (if you read the rest of the post). 

Defense wins Championships. 

Terry Bradshaw won 4 Super Bowls. For some them he threw a bunch of INTs and played horrible, but the Steel Curtain Defense was the difference maker.  

Joe Montana also had Jerry Rice!!
Now what do you think would happen if you gave Tom Brady .. Jerry Rice .. to work with for 12 straight years?
    
  


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Posted: 1/21/2013 11:50 PM

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The D should be better and must get better for this team to win a championship. I totally agree.

That said, for the youngest D in the league, with 3 or 4 rookies starting in some games, they did pretty well and continued to improve as the season wore on.

I think before pointing a finger at the players, one also needs to look at the coaching. They need a real DC. Either Matt Patricia gets a crap-load better at his job this summer, or they need to hire a veteran DC who won't need BB doing his job on the sidelines.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 8:51 AM

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The turning point of the game was when Talib went down.  If we look at that and see that the Ravens were able to continually attack through the air after that point the fix is not that simple.  Not many teams have 3-4 start quality corners on their roster let alone 3-4 man cover corners on their roster. 

Drafting one of these special players either means a top 10 pick or getting lucky with a Dennard type player.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 9:10 AM

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Drafting 2 guys as good as the fans would like is almost impossible. Corners that are high percentage starters go in the top 10...other than that it's a roll of the dice. The best DT's as well and deep threat recievers as well.

The Patriots draft in the "contributor areas" of the draft not the "Automatic Pro-Bowler" area. It's likely the Patriots will have to replace 6-8 contributors who go elsewhere and won't have the draft picks to do it with. Their best hope is to get Dennard and Talib type value from their picks and FA's.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 12:28 PM

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I think the Talib injury hurt, but the turning point came very early when Brady couldn’t convert a 3rd down. He had plenty of opportunities but accomplish very few. He had several 3rd and 2's where he missed open receivers, threw balls into the ground, or just got happy feet and panicked.

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Posted: 1/22/2013 12:48 PM

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It was two injuries - Talib obviously, and Kyle Love who plays alongside Vince. After that they were scrambling to find a lineup on both the line and the secondary.

Those 3rd-and-2's were the game. If they'd converted those 3 or 4 drives that stalled in the first half, BAL would have been playing from way behind and would likely have been the team making the mistakes. In which case the D was actually playing well enough - even with injuries - to win the game.

After the 2nd or 3rd drive stalled at around the 40 or whatever, they showed Brady on the sidelines just sipping Gatorade - not ticked off - just sitting by himself - I knew they were doomed right then.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 3:14 PM

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They have Jake Ballard playing for them next year that should help in the TE position, they need a DL stud to play along Vince that can rush the passer and get a push. They (and I) thought they had that in Fannea (mispelled) this past offseason but that didn't work out.

A vertical speedy physical threat is needed at WR. As well as an athletic LB. I need McD to figure out not to abadon the run, make a friggen adjustment,  And of course an cover CB.

Chance favors the Prepared Mind.

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Posted: 1/22/2013 3:23 PM

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This team's second half performance still irks me!Especially the offense.They looked like dead zombies while the game was still much in hand.They wilted like a bunch of daisies!I never seem that fron a Belichick team in the playoffs! This d-line needs more players so its essential that they keep their backfield intact!
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Posted: 1/22/2013 3:29 PM

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I wish BB would get rid of both Mcd and Patricia but all he would do is fill from within.

DT who can get pressure on the passer who can play next to Vince.
Athletic LB
Deep vertical threat physical WR. Someone with speed.
More physical presence on the team, must get tougher.
CB, S.

Chung should be gone.

Chance favors the Prepared Mind.

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Posted: 1/22/2013 3:35 PM

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They wilted like a bunch of daisies!Thats the best way to describe this team's second half performance!It didnt help that Brady looked lifeless!How is that possible with a trip to the superbowl on the line? That first round pick should be on a DL.I really want Talib back on this team.Restructure contracts if u have to.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 4:48 PM

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Patriots sign DL Armond Armstead, formerly of USC & CFL, per sources.  @ AdamSchefter previously noted he's equivalent of solid draft pick.

Here's more on the guy from Bleacher Report.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 5:53 PM

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Some more on the new guy from the Globe ... BB has a nose for these guys who drop down in the draft due to medical or other issues ...

According to the NFL transaction wire, the Patriots have signed defensive tackle Armond Armstead, a 6-foot-5-inch, 298-pound Southern Cal product, to a futures contract.


Armstead spent the 2012 season with the Toronto Argonauts of the Canadian Football League, helping the team win the Grey Cup championship, and was named a league All-Star.


But there is an interesting back story that led to him ending up in Canada:


While at USC, where he played from 2008-10, Armstead says he was improperly given injections of Toradol, a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory, and those injections led to him suffering a heart attack in March 2011.


He says he was not informed when he was given the injections what the medication was or that there was a risk of heart attack or stroke when taking it.


Armstead was briefly hospitalized, and USC would not clear him medically to play in 2011. He thought about transferring to another college but opted instead to turn pro. He was not taken in the NFL draft or signed as a free agent in 2012, likely because of concerns over his health history. Armstead went to the CFL instead.


Last August, Armstead brought suit against USC, University Park Health Center, USC team physician James Tibone, and an unnamed pharmaceutical company.

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Posted: 1/22/2013 6:01 PM

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Ok who do you franchise this off season? You dont Franchise Welker again because you dont risk paying him 11 million a year. Vollmer is good, but he is not worth a franchise. Woodhead, nope. So, do you conciser Talib?
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Posted: 1/22/2013 6:57 PM

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To be honest, they should tag Welker and keep him for one more year. What the hell, pay him the 11 mil and then I guess cut ties after 13. I wish they would just sign the man to a multi year deal and at least show him their appreciation for those 100 plus catch season`s he`s had. I know the man has had some key drops, but the real issue is the two Super stud TE`s, if they`re healthy all season, this team goes 14-2 at worst, and most likely the SB. We wouldn`t be having this discussion. Welker`s drops can also be due to the fact that they target him so much. JE is a nice receiver but a WW he is not. He`s too wreckless and I guarantee he`s injured for 6 to 8 ball games next season. That`s the other thing I like about WW is he knows how and when to fall without exposing his body to mass punishment. I worry Gronk could be damaged goods! 
vinnybravo wrote: Ok who  do you franchise this off season? You dont Franchise Welker again because you dont risk paying him 11 million a year. Vollmer is good, but he is not worth a franchise. Woodhead, nope. So, do you conciser Talib?
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Posted: 1/22/2013 8:02 PM

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3rdngoal wrote: The turning point of the game was when Talib went down.  If we look at that and see that the Ravens were able to continually attack through the air after that point the fix is not that simple.  Not many teams have 3-4 start quality corners on their roster let alone 3-4 man cover corners on their roster. 

Drafting one of these special players either means a top 10 pick or getting lucky with a Dennard type player.
Agree..That and the Ravens decided to open it up to exploit it. Ravens deserve credit. It affected our pass rush, our coverage, and gulp our resolve. I didn't see that coming.
 
We turtled at too many times in the game. I think we caught the disease from the Texans...lol.. I wish we had been tested more in that one.. I had binoculars watching our sideline and it was not a pretty sight at times.
 
We have some character problems and need a firecracker to not only inspire TFB (at times) but light up a few on the field. And I mean on our team... Rodney Harrison, Bruschi types..Very hard to watch and find players like that.
 
This loss will motivate them and let BB do what he does best. Put us in position to win it all every year... Well almost...biggrin
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Posted: 1/23/2013 7:23 AM

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vinnybravo wrote:

I think the Talib injury hurt, but the turning point came very early when Brady couldn’t convert a 3rd down. He had plenty of opportunities but accomplish very few. He had several 3rd and 2's where he missed open receivers, threw balls into the ground, or just got happy feet and panicked.


According to the network, Brady took the team six times within the 25 yard line and only scored one TD. Over the last few seasons, this is nothing new.

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Posted: 1/23/2013 8:45 AM

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Ever since brady got hurt and was out for the season he has been afriad of contact.
Really he hit that ref and fell on the ground like a child on third down. If the ref gets in the way you run him over and get the first down. Also on the 3rd and 2's. Come on Brady it is two yards 6 feet i know you are not a running QB but use your legs hell your 6 feet tall just fall foward and you got the first down.

I am tired of seeing Brady with only a few yards and a clear field in front of him throw it away or make a bad throw. If you ask me when it come to the ravens for whatever reason Brady thinks they are going to take shots at him late or try to hurt him so he does not take as many chances when it come to being hit  as he normally does.

Why does Bardy think this way? Are the ravens a tough team or a dirty team out to hurt people?




dokgonzo wrote: It was two injuries - Talib obviously, and Kyle Love who plays alongside Vince. After that they were scrambling to find a lineup on both the line and the secondary.

Those 3rd-and-2's were the game. If they'd converted those 3 or 4 drives that stalled in the first half, BAL would have been playing from way behind and would likely have been the team making the mistakes. In which case the D was actually playing well enough - even with injuries - to win the game.

After the 2nd or 3rd drive stalled at around the 40 or whatever, they showed Brady on the sidelines just sipping Gatorade - not ticked off - just sitting by himself - I knew they were doomed right then.







   

         

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Posted: 1/23/2013 11:46 AM

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My problem with Brady was the way he looked on the sidelines.The game wasnt even over.Lots of time left.He looked like Mark Sanchez on the sidelines.Just terrible!Seems like the ravens just fed off that!I dont know if Brady has what it takes to win another ring.This team has had alot of close but no cigar moments since winning the superbowl.Alot of wins but nothing to get over the hump!
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Posted: 1/23/2013 1:53 PM

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dokgonzo wrote: It was two injuries - Talib obviously, and Kyle Love who plays alongside Vince. After that they were scrambling to find a lineup on both the line and the secondary.

Those 3rd-and-2's were the game. If they'd converted those 3 or 4 drives that stalled in the first half, BAL would have been playing from way behind and would likely have been the team making the mistakes. In which case the D was actually playing well enough - even with injuries - to win the game.

After the 2nd or 3rd drive stalled at around the 40 or whatever, they showed Brady on the sidelines just sipping Gatorade - not ticked off - just sitting by himself - I knew they were doomed right then.
So why do you think Brady took that posture and didn't get fired up as he has done at other times?  I really don't get that.  What's the explanation for it?  Is he just coming up short in these games?
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Posted: 1/23/2013 2:43 PM

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We see Brady do that every year it seems. Usually it's the start of the season and everyone's going "what's wrong with Brady's body language?"

Then around Thanksgiving he suddenly gets fired up.

Then somewhere during the post-season he seems to revert back. He was solid against HOU and then faded away. Last year it was the SB.

It's a repeating cycle and his energy level tends to infect the offense. I don't know if it's age, or some conflict with BB/McD and TB, or maybe he's gun-shy of getting hurt again, or maybe he's actually injured, or maybe all that early success has created some kind of mental block. It seems to have started the year after his knee was Pollarded.

When TB is acting like "the old Brady" - yelling at people, doing his QB sneak on 3rd and short, kicking things when they have to settle for a FG - guys don't drop his passes. Because dropping a pass and having to go off the field means Brady is in your face cussing you out on National TV.

If this team intends to win a SB with TB at QB, they need to figure this out. It could be as simple as having BB go over and smack him upside the head when he's acting that way. For all we know, that's the role that Flutie and Vinnie used to play - Brady always had a veteran QB around to pal around with - only now he's the veteran.

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Posted: 1/23/2013 2:56 PM

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I agree that it's a repeating cycle.  It seems odd for someone who is supposedly driven to win that fourth championship, though.  The only conclusion I can come to is you just don't know what you're going to get from Brady in the playoffs anymore.  Specifically, what he brings from an emotional and mental standpoint seems to randomly bounce back and forth between focused (Houston) and almost passive (Baltimore).  Perhaps this goes to how Belichick prepares the team for these games.
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Posted: 1/23/2013 4:20 PM

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Sports radio 98.5 - the Pat's radio flag station - is reportimg Brady and BB were actively involved on the sidelines.  C -B.S. showed what they wanted to show

Writing this makes me realize this was Gil Santos' last braodcast.  frown

 

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Posted: 1/23/2013 5:17 PM

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Well that makes more sense (BB/TB involved and CBS skewing things). Still, his on-field demeanor was not the screaming Berzerker we saw in the first HOU game. Not even close.

Also ... Armstead's deal with the Patriots is three years and $1.485 million in base salary. There was competition for this guy, which is why the Pats made him a solid offer. There's also an injury clause to cover undisclosed or unexpected medical conditions.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 3:52 PM

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More on Armond Armstead:

''He’s a phenomenal young man. We don’t often in our league get NFL first round (draft picks),'' Barker told me. ''He would have been a low first, early second. But we don’t get those guys before they go through your league. So it was a pleasure for us to be able to have Armond. He played every game, which ended up being 23 games. Never missed a practice. The issue he had at USC, our doctors checked him out, and he was phenomenal for us all year. He was an all-CFL player, which doesn’t happen very often with roookies. It’s just rare that an NFL team can get a first round pick without having to use one.’’
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Posted: 1/24/2013 8:37 PM

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We will see if this was a brilliant move by BB.I am curious to see what other teams looked at him.I think BB should get rid of Patricia. I am surprise the saints got rid of Spagnuolo so quickly.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 9:38 PM

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According to nfl.com, Armond Armstead also visited with the Eagles and Colts (who apparently went to some lengths to get him are a bit ticked off by his decision).

Agreed on Patricia, Spags would be a good hire, a great DC but not so good a HC.
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