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Broncos overrated??

Posted: 12/31/2012 10:20 AM

Broncos overrated?? 


Of all the team is the NFL with winning records the Broncos have beating the fewest with better than .500 records, two. The beat Cincinnati and Baltimore. And they beat Baltimore when they were in the dumps and down several players. The Broncos were also down by at least 20 points to Houston, New England and Atlanta with 1 minute left in the 3rd quarter. Now if you add in that they had the easiest schedule of all playoff teams I don't think that they are the best team in football at all.

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Posted: 12/31/2012 11:04 AM

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I've heard this argument applied to the Patriots so many times in the past that I don't believe it.  On top of NFL parody, if a team goes 13-3 then they are likely responsible for many of their opponents dipping under the .500 mark.  There's a lot about the Broncos that worries me. 

I think we're lucky that a demoralized Texan's team that's lost 3/4 games is the 3 seed and would likely come to Foxboro if everyone holds serve.

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Posted: 12/31/2012 1:19 PM

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True, but of all the teams with a winning record in the NFL this year the Broncos played the least amount of team with better than .500 records. That's the entire NFL. They also were getting blown out vs NE, Houston and Atlanta in the 4th QTR before those team went into a "prevent" defense. I am not saying the Broncos are not good, but I dont believe they are the best team in Football or the AFC either.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 1:25 PM

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Not worried about the Broncos if they end up meeting in the AFCCG. The Patriots beat them with a sound running game. (over 250 yards rushing and 3 TDs with 1 from Brady)
They controlled the clock and had 3 take aways. And the Pats Defense has improved greatly since that week 5 game.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 1:27 PM

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Only thing scary about DEN is Manning. And the Pats D is much better now. With a healthy Talib and Dennard, McC at FS, and BB knowing Peyton's habits all too well, I think they'll be fine.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 1:36 PM

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I found this ....... read and you decide.

Default Manning will be named MVP in the biggest travesty in award history

Brace yourself... sporstbooks have updated the MVP odds:

Peyton Manning -300
Tom Brady +350

A virtual lock for Manning. Vegas knows in advance... they probably poll the sportswriters, and they know the general sentiment.

I truly cannot stand the NFL writers and their obsession with Peyton Manning. Every year the award criteria is tailored to fit his season, and this year will be the biggest travesty of them all.

First, ESPN's QBR formula is highly flawed, and it is the only objective measurement where Manning has a slight (very slight) edge over Brady. QBR does not account for strength of opponent, which, as I'll explain soon, has been quite different between the two.

The Backstory

The media has already built the story that Manning has turned around a franchise in disarray. While the alternative story is that Manning could have chosen from about 10 different teams, and obviously chose the one where he thought he'd be most successful, that angle has never to date been broached by the media.

The Stats

The stats couldn't show Brady ahead by more. Football Outsiders, which factors in complexities way beyond ESPN's QBR, and adjusts for strength of opponent, has Brady rated at 42.9% better than the average player on a given play. Manning is second at 29.1%. This is a gigantic gap- it just isn't even close. Brady has been better on every down and distance and in every situation of a game. In passer rating, although a flawed stat, Brady leads Manning slightly, although passer rating notoriously does not emphasize interceptions and turnovers enough.

Guys like Mike Sando are trying desperately to cherry pick stats to support Manning, while belitting Brady. He points out obscure stats about Manning's 20+ yard plays, etc, while constantly glossing over Brady's 4 turnovers all season. Sando pointed out that Manning releases the ball quickly and avoids sacks, although the sack percentage is roughly the same, while the Pats O-line has been banged up all year.

Brady has 32 total touchdowns and 4 turnovers. Manning has 30 total touchdowns and 12 turnovers.

The Patriots have rushed for 20 TDs, the Broncos just 7.

Historic Season

John Fox referred to Manning's season as "freaking historical" and of course, the media bought it hook, line, and sinker. The Broncos are having a good year on offense, but not the type of year that historians will look back on and say anything other than "good offense." They are averaging roughly 10 points per game less than the Patriots.

Under Brady, the Patriots are averaging 36 ppg, just one point shy of their all-time record smashing season in 2007. They will set the NFL record for first downs and have an off-the-charts efficiency. All led by Tom Brady, who directs the offense.

Yet, the media's conclusion is that Manning's results stand out in a season where no one has done anything really special.

Schedule

According to Football Outsiders, Brady has played (or will play) the following teams ranked in the top 10 in total defense: Seattle (2), Houston (3), San Francisco (4), Denver (5), Arizona (6), St. Louis (7), NY Jets twice (8). That's 8 games versus top-10 defenses.

Manning has played ONE game against Houston (3), where he struggled.

Brady has played the following teams in the bottom 5: Indianapolis (30).

Manning has played the following teams in the bottom 5: Oakland twice (32), New Orleans (31), Kansas City twice (29).

Again, top-10 defenses: Brady's played against 8 to Manning's 1. Bottom five defenses: Manning's played against 5 to Brady's 1.

Yet, incredibly, the Sando crowd at ESPN is constantly harping on Brady's "easy schedule". It's almost like a conspiracy.

Other Factors

The Broncos are ranked 5th in total defense, while the Patriots are ranked 14th.

The Broncos have had no significant injuries on offense, while the Patriots have had injuries all over their offensive line and have had their two best offensive player on the field healthy one time.

Brady won the head-to-head matchup.

Manning is 0-3 against division leaders.

Criteria

Here's where it gets really funny.

Peter King, golly gee, decided that Manning is the MVP because he's on an 8 game winning streak, while Brady's is only 7. That's more important than the huge turnover gap and Brady's overall dominance.

"Brady did this last year too," NFC East blogger Dan Graziano said. "And the year before. Last year's Broncos were 8-8. This year's may be the best team in the league. Valuable." It never mattered that Manning did it last year when he was winning his MVPs. The criteria has conveniently changed. Drew Brees in 2009, Chad Pennington in 2008, both should have beaten Manning if this were the criteria. Also, I'm pretty sure that the Patriots have the best offense in the league, which is probably the more relevant discussion when comparing two quarterbacks.

"I'll go with Peyton Manning," NFC South blogger Pat Yasinskas said. "John Fox has an elite quarterback for the first time in his career and that could mean a Super Bowl title for the Broncos." Great reasoning.

Conclusion

Prepare for the travesty of Peyton Manning winning another dubious MVP award, just like his "Super Bowl MVP" and questionable awards from 08-09. Unfortunately, while Tom Brady has completely outplayed Manning over the last five years, the MVP tally in that time will be Manning 3, Brady 2. The sportswriters just love Manning too much to do what's fair.

Hopefully this will serve as motivation for Brady and the Patriots.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 1:42 PM

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They are a different team then when the pats played them earlier.Manning always worries me.They are going to be tough in Denver.Its a new season now.It comes down to game planning and execution!
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Posted: 12/31/2012 2:29 PM

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Pats are 3-3 vs teams over .500

Broncos are 2-3, would be 3-3 if the Steelers won one more game, would of done that had Ben not been hurt for 2-3 games.

Before the season, the schedule was a monster, hardest or 2nd hardest on paper. Patriots play the exact teams we did this year, home and road, so we'll see how easy it is.

Both teams are improved and if they meet, it won't be in Foxboro.

Also, didn't people say the same thing about the Patriots last year? They were a Welker catch from winning the SB, who only beat one team with a winning record last year.

While we have played some easy teams, winning 11 in a row in the NFL is not easy to do.

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Posted: 12/31/2012 3:09 PM

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Denver is the one place I didn't want to have to go for a playoff game.  Now it turns out that's the only playoff game the Pats would have to travel to if things work out according to the seeds.

I don't see the Broncos schedule as having been really any easier than the Pats schedule was.

Strength of schedule is a useless stat for debating how good a team is or isn't.  There is a lot that goes into it.

And like I always say.. Every time you win a game your opponents' win percentage goes down.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 3:30 PM

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I hope somehow the Broncos exit before the Conference Championshio.  I wouldn't say that about any other AFC team. That's how overrated I think they are. If they meet in Denver it figures to be a classic as AFCC/NFCC games should be.

 

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Posted: 12/31/2012 4:01 PM

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If i had an mvp vote,it would be for Adrian Peterson.The guy has meant everything to the vikings.I will be disgusted if he gets it over Peterson.Maybe Manning should get comeback player of the year.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 5:05 PM

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What made Denver so tough for so many years was Shannahan - he was one of the few coaches who seemed to be able to get into BB's head. John Fox isn't Shanny. And the way BB took Kubiak apart a few weeks ago is a reminder of what BB can do when he can really take time to prepare.

That said, I'd love to see someone knock Denver out.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 5:28 PM

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It would be great to see luck beat Manning. Tebow would have a better playoff record at Quarterback for Denver than Peyton....LOL
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Posted: 12/31/2012 5:44 PM

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Lets not get ahead of ourselves.We saw what happened in 2010.Before we talk about such a matchup,they have to win a game at home.I felt BB got outcoached in 2010 by sexy rexy lol.I still worry about this defense.Idk.I also feel that the running game and LLoyd have to find a way to contribute.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 7:46 PM

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The whole Peyton Manning as MVP thing is prejudiced by his neck injury last year, and it is unfair.

Manning had a great year, and he should easily win Comeback Player of the Year, but the Broncos were already a Playoff-Team even with just having Tim Tebow as the QB (who the Jets refused to even play). 

But Brady is the only QB who is under constant pressure to score points each time he touches the Football, because no lead is ever really large enough.  Brady only had 8 INTs all season long, with 34 TDs and 4800-yards.  Brady also led his Team against the entire NFL in total point scoring.  The statistics say Brady was not only every bit as good as Peyton Manning, but that really had the better overall year.

And in terms of importance to the Team, there is no contest here.  Unlike The Broncos, The Patriots would never be a Playoff with Tim Tebow as QB.  The Patriots have needed approx. 30-35 points-per-game to win most of their games. Brady is their life raft, and this is what separates Brady from Manning.  Brady really deserves the MVP.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 7:55 PM

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The short answer is no,  The Broncos are not overrated.

They were a Playoff Team last year too, and with just Tim Tebow as the QB, but now they have Peyton Manning.   And they can run the Football well, in addition to having this new passing attack.

The Patriots Defense will be under a lot of pressure to hold-up against Denver. Given that when they meet it will be on the road in Denver is also historically not advantageous to the Patriots.

This will be a tough game...maybe a classic
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Posted: 12/31/2012 11:16 PM

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Me thinks someone's gotta Brady pup tent.
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Posted: 1/1/2013 8:51 AM

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dokgonzo wrote: Only thing scary about DEN is Manning. And the Pats D is much better now. With a healthy Talib and Dennard, McC at FS, and BB knowing Peyton's habits all too well, I think they'll be fine.
........New England will be just fine. Manning can be scarey but, so can't Brady.  The key is the defense just doing their job's and, they will.

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Posted: 1/1/2013 10:17 AM

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We keep talking about playing the broncos we will jinx the pats to the point it will be bengals and colts in the AFCCG. One game at a time guys lets she who the pats will be playing after wild card weekend and then go from there.







   

         

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Posted: 1/1/2013 10:26 AM

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patfanfrommaine wrote: We keep talking about playing the broncos we will jinx the pats to the point it will be bengals and colts in the AFCCG. One game at a time guys lets she who the pats will be playing after wild card weekend and then go from there.
I don't know about that.....neither has the exp. (well the Bengals have some) They might both get out of the 1st round but it will end for both in round 2 if they make it that is.

If Flacco shows up, Ravens win. Texans secondary is terrible.The Bengals have the best shot of the 2 winning this weekend IMO.
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Posted: 1/1/2013 11:02 AM

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I normally dread having to play the Ravens but they have not looked good the second half of the season.  I might even say they are the weakest of the AFC playoff teams.  The Bengals have quietly played very well.  I think the Pats would handle them but their pass rush is dangerous, with 46 sacks on the year.    Of course the only way the Pats play the Bengals would be in the AFCC.  I expect the Pats to have a rematch with Houston.
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Posted: 1/1/2013 11:58 AM

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GinoC wrote: I hope somehow the Broncos exit before the Conference Championshio.  I wouldn't say that about any other AFC team. That's how overrated I think they are. If they meet in Denver it figures to be a classic as AFCC/NFCC games should be.
Lets not forget,  all the playoff teams are at minimum 10 and 6 teams.  The competition in the playoffs include no boners and every team gets up for the game.  The Broncos will also get up for any of their playoff games but competition is far better.

I love the Pats chances against them but I got a feeling Manning and crew will lose before we get to play them again.
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Posted: 1/1/2013 12:59 PM

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Alot of overconfident fans here.I will wait to see who their first opponent will be.Its a new season now and teams get up for the playoffs.This defense needs to finally step up and play well throughout!Another opportunity is out there in front of them.Its usually about playing defense in the playoffs.
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Posted: 1/1/2013 1:34 PM

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dominicanthug wrote: Alot of overconfident fans here.I will wait to see who their first opponent will be.Its a new season now and teams get up for the playoffs.This defense needs to finally step up and play well throughout!Another opportunity is out there in front of them.Its usually about playing defense in the playoffs.

Agreed we have a ways to go.
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Posted: 1/1/2013 1:57 PM

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I was kidding of course. I have a ton of superstitions when it comes to the patriots playing games. If my wife and kids are not in the room when the game starts and the pats are winning no one can come in the room for the rest of the game is just one of many. Oh by the way the patriots only beat miami because i was wearing my lucky woodhead jersey.  
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patfanfrommaine wrote: We keep talking about playing the broncos we will jinx the pats to the point it will be bengals and colts in the AFCCG. One game at a time guys lets she who the pats will be playing after wild card weekend and then go from there.
I don't know about that.....neither has the exp. (well the Bengals have some) They might both get out of the 1st round but it will end for both in round 2 if they make it that is.

If Flacco shows up, Ravens win. Texans secondary is terrible.The Bengals have the best shot of the 2 winning this weekend IMO.







   

         

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Posted: 1/1/2013 4:45 PM

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patfanfrommaine wrote: I was kidding of course. I have a ton of superstitions when it comes to the patriots playing games. If my wife and kids are not in the room when the game starts and the pats are winning no one can come in the room for the rest of the game is just one of many. Oh by the way the patriots only beat miami because i was wearing my lucky woodhead jersey.  
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patfanfrommaine wrote: We keep talking about playing the broncos we will jinx the pats to the point it will be bengals and colts in the AFCCG. One game at a time guys lets she who the pats will be playing after wild card weekend and then go from there.
I don't know about that.....neither has the exp. (well the Bengals have some) They might both get out of the 1st round but it will end for both in round 2 if they make it that is.

If Flacco shows up, Ravens win. Texans secondary is terrible.The Bengals have the best shot of the 2 winning this weekend IMO.
Hey...I wear my Patriots jersey for every game, If the Pats fall behind the jersey comes off and stays off, most of the time they've come back to win. If they are playing well or have the lead it stays on.biggrin
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Posted: 1/1/2013 7:50 PM

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I thought the Pats won because I wearing my #37 Harrison jersey.  But then again,  I ran our of beers and switched to bourbon at half time.  Could that be why the third quarter started off so slow.


Its something to think about.  I could have caused them to lose the game.
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Posted: 1/2/2013 7:51 AM

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I don't hold out much hope anyone is going to knock out Denver other than the Pats. I think Indy could give them a game if they limit turnovers, but I don't think the Bengals have any shot against Denver.

The Broncos aren't overrated really. However, they are not a dominating team that's head and shoulders better than everyone else. The running game is okay, but can be stopped. Denver's defense is good, but not overwhelming. The Pats and Indy can score on them.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 8:14 AM

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Overrated you ask? Not really. 2012 has been a year of surprises for many teams. Examples are Colts and Bengles. Even New England's 3 losses' by a total of 4 points.

Two points worth mentioning. First, Manning. Second at their place. Yes, NE has gotten better but then, so has Denver. Broncos will be under a lot of pressure to win for sure. FWIW ~ I do like New England.

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Posted: 1/3/2013 8:18 AM

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Any team except Texans. They are dead. To be the best you have to play and beat the best. It will not do any good to have a PO opponent and win by 42+ points. biggrin

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Posted: 1/3/2013 9:42 AM

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I've always looked forward to a Brady/Manning match up in the post season. And an ACFCCG match up would make it all the better, just hoping they both get there.

To be the Best you have to beat the Best and these two teams have proved that they are the Best two teams playing in the Playoffs this season in the AFC.
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