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Posted: 12/3/2012 3:00 PM

MNF Official game 13 thread: Texans vs. Patriots 


Official thread for the contest between:

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This game could go a long way in deciding if the Patriots will receive one of the two first round byes in the AFC.

Chance favors the Prepared Mind.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 3:46 PM

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With Gronk and Edelman both sidelined with injuries, they need to get Branch back on the roster ASAP.

They are not going to run against Houston's 2nd best run defense. Vereen may be more useful as an extra WR or outlet receiver. 

Texans are 19th ranked passing defense - Brady will need to get it done. Lloyd has to get more involved.

The Texans O is pretty well balanced, but BB will take Foster away. The Pats are going to have to generate T/O's to win this one.

If they lose, odds of a 1st round bye are pretty slim. Denver's schedule after they play BAL is pretty weak, I think it'll be HOU, DEN, NE, BAL in that order.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 7:15 PM

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Reiss reports they have signed Stallworth.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 7:34 PM

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Maybe a few good screens - usually worked pretty well in the past.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 8:11 PM

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Stallworth?  I wonder if Branch is hurt.  Branch was a useful in the Edelman-type role.  Stallworth may help to stretch the field better than Lloyd has.

 

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Posted: 12/3/2012 8:17 PM

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Yup ... Stallworth is coming back: 

 On Donte Stallworth, he's flying to New England tonight and will sign tomorrow. Pats WR Julian Edelman was in a boot postgame yesterday.

I think this decision means/says that:
  1. Branch's injury is worse than we think.
  2. BB/RK want no more hassles with PED, which Gaffney is suspended for.
  3. Stallworth was working on kick returns in pre-season, so he can fill in for Edelman in both roles.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 8:34 PM

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I think Stallworth plays the Edelman role better than Branch does.  Much better runner with the ball in his hands.  Or at least he was, last time we saw him.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:17 PM

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Yeah, Gaffney and Branch are both pretty 1-dimensional - solid possession receivers  They can't return kicks or run a reverse like Stallworth can. Also Woody and Vereen can line up as slot or wide receivers, so they have some flexibility.

I think Bolden is back from his suspension this week, so maybe they use a healthy rested body to hammer away for a half, and then let Vereen and Ridley clean up.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 12:13 AM

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They will have to play alot better offensively,thats for sure!LLoyd has to show up in this game and contribute.I will not abandon the run even if its not working early.You stick to it!They have to match the texans's physical style of play!
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Posted: 12/4/2012 9:26 AM

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TNPatsFan wrote: Reiss reports they have signed Stallworth.
Does the signing include a case of Geritol? Geeze......where's all the depth the Patriot Camp always cherps about? Sorry my friends but, El Dante will fool no-one.  biggrin

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Posted: 12/4/2012 12:42 PM

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Really sucks a lot of key guys on both teams wont be in this one. Really wanted to see how Pats vs. Texans and Pats vs. 49ers stack up at full strength.

Should be interesting to see how the Pats handle Johnson and Foster. Typically they take away the main strength but both of those guys can carry them to a win if given the chance. I have a feeling Johnson will hurt the pats the most due to the Secondary play still suspect and the Run D being pretty decent.

Hopefully Watt doesnt terrorize the Pats too bad. Looking forward to a great game.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 12:54 PM

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If they're going to run they need Bolden at 100% and maybe play that 250# FB as well. Just keep throwing big bodies into the trenches.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 5:10 PM

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This game, as well as the game against San Fran, will be the best indicators and preview of what The Patriots look like in the Playoffs (and how far they'll go).

They have a lot of injuries (TE, OL, WR, DL, etc.), and that puts a lot of pressure on Brady, who won't have the optimal pass-protection needed, and won't have and all of his targets.   So someone will have to step up.  

I'm still waiting for Brandon Void to have a "break out game".  So far he has been totally useless and non-contributing as a so-called "vertical threat" (zero from him), and he can only manage an occasional 10-yard pass play, at best, per game.  That's just not good enough.  Clearly Denver and St Louis aren't missing anything important by having gotting rid of him.  Last week he had only 1 catch for the whole game (and I think Brady may have even given-up on him as any type of primary target anymore).

But at this point, all teams have injuries.  So The Patriots can't use that as an excuse.  Whatever depth problems that they have at WR (and elsewhere), were self-created decisions made at some point by Belichick.

Bringing Donte Stallworth back may possibly help a little, but he hasn't played Football in how long now?  I don't expect any fireworks at this point from him.

So I think this game will come down to their ability to run the Football, and whether the Defense can continue to generate turnovers. 

With Baltimore losing last week, The Patriots really have an opportunity now to earn a bye in the Playoffs.   Sometimes though, I think that this can be overrated.  The most important thing is how HOT the Team is, at the time of the Playoffs, and whether they have all their key guys rested and healthy to execute their full range of plays.

I think The Patriots can beat Houston, Baltimore, Denver, Pittsburg, etc. and get back to the Super Bowl if they get healthy, and someone else besides Wes Welker can really step up and take up some of the load.

But who will step up?

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Posted: 12/4/2012 11:15 PM

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Step up?   Brady has said himself when he looks at the tape Lloyd is open on many occasions

 

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Posted: 12/5/2012 8:23 AM

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Edelman on IR with a foot injury(yeah!) We are awfully thin at WR position. Looking like we should have signed Burress? This is a big concern. I don't think Dante is going to be the answer. Brady and Lloyd better get it going. Look for Woody to have a bigger role in upcoming games. We can't afford any more injuries to our receivers. How valuable is Welker looking right now. Pats need to take care of him. He's earned it!
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Posted: 12/5/2012 12:36 PM

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Brady needs to look for Lloyd more and McD needs to get him more involved as well.

Stallworth will do a fine job, he won't be as explosive as Edelman, but he's a cagey vet with enough left in the tank for the next 4 games and the playoffs.

Expect Vereen and Woody to be more involved in the passing game. Anyone who can catch and has speed/quickness will be running routes,
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Posted: 12/5/2012 12:50 PM

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"Step up?   Brady has said himself when he looks at the tape Lloyd is open on many occasions"

I'm not sure what you're point is.

1.  Brady is always nice (to people), and never throws anyone under the bus publically.  He also made glowing and wonderful public remarks about Reche Caldwell too, and would always rave about how hard Chad Ochocinco was working.  So Brady's happy-talk means nothing....but the actual results on the Field tell the real story.

2.  Brandon Void has not stepped-up.  This man has not made one single catch downfield greater than 25 yards all season long.  Not one.  Daniel Fells, Gronk, Hernandez, Welker, Eldeman, and even Vereen have all succeeded with far bigger plays in the passing game than Lloyd. And Lloyds numerous botched deep-routes, dropped balls, and his lame season total 500-yards of receiving production is not an illustration of stepping up.  This is not a go-to guy here....

3. Whether there actually is, or is not, any tape of Lloyd being open deep, he has not demonstrated the ability to even catch the deep ball, or convert the play when targeted (numerous attempts throughout the season).   Its no wonder why Brady's would rather go to someone else.....

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Posted: 12/5/2012 2:14 PM

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He can't step up if he's not trageted.  If he's open and they need someone to step up he's a logical person to go.

I don't know why he has to only be open deep.  If he's open, he's open.

Stallworth might help with deep balls, might I say because Brady hasn't been that great with the long ball he missed two last game including Edelman wide open.

 

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Posted: 12/5/2012 2:32 PM

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Chandler Jones was present at the walk-through today. So was Mankins and Connolly. Doesn't mean they'll play, but at least they're back at practice.

I'm seeing tweets that Branch's locker is still intact next to Brady's. I still think he'll be back for post-season.
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Posted: 12/5/2012 4:36 PM

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I will be shock if Jones doesnt play or some of these other guys.They need them for these two weeks.They have to get some type of pass rush on Schaub.
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Posted: 12/5/2012 5:42 PM

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I think some of us may have had some errant expectations of Brandon Lloyd this year.  He's a former fourth round draft pick journeyman receiver.  He had one really good season with McD and the hope was that he could come in and have at least some of that same success.  Considering how many options the Pats have compared to when he was on Denver, I think he has been a solid player.  And he has never in his career been a deep threat vertical receiver, so if that's what we're looking for then it's no wonder we're disappointed that he hasn't been that.
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Posted: 12/5/2012 6:04 PM

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I am not asking for 100 yards from Lloyd every game.I remember this guy had 1000 yards receiving two years ago.He is not past his prime.This is on pace for the same season that Branch had last year.Thats terrible!!We knew Branch was doned though.I am starting to wonder about this system and why is it tough for wrs to pick it up.
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Posted: 12/5/2012 9:35 PM

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Some guys pick it up right away, though. Gronk, Hernandez, Welker all did. Edelman learned pretty quick as well, considering he was also learning to be a WR after being a QB in college. Gaffney had no trouble adapting, nor did Moss or Reche Caldwell (like him or not, he contributed a crap-load more than Ocho or Galloway). Stallworth picked up the system right away too.

I think it's just different than other teams and puts a higher premium on Football IQ than on raw physical talent.

Assuming they get Lloyd involved the next few weeks, he'll probably end up around 800 yards and 5 TD's. Which isn't bad. It's not Moss, but it doesn't suck.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 1:46 PM

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Mankins and Jones both participated in practice today.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 7:58 PM

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Excellent they need both for the next two weeks.

 

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Posted: 12/7/2012 12:14 AM

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We will find out just how much better this pass defense has gotten.It will be important to get Schaub out of his comfort zone.Stopping their running game.
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Posted: 12/7/2012 7:07 AM

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TNPatsFan wrote: I think some of us may have had some errant expectations of Brandon Lloyd this year.  He's a former fourth round draft pick journeyman receiver.  He had one really good season with McD and the hope was that he could come in and have at least some of that same success.  Considering how many options the Pats have compared to when he was on Denver, I think he has been a solid player.  And he has never in his career been a deep threat vertical receiver, so if that's what we're looking for then it's no wonder we're disappointed that he hasn't been that.
"Errant expectations" is a rather casual way to put it. When they signed him for 3 years I kinda, sorta 'of thought they wre on to something. And now, the signing of Stallworth. WTF? Bench strength at best.
Over the next two games, their metal/desire to win will be really tested.

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Posted: 12/7/2012 9:07 AM

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To be perfectly honest.... I would not care if the Pats lost the rest of the games while resting everybody. Then came out hot and healthy to win it all in the play offs. You know sort of like that one team what is there name...... NY Giants.







   

         

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Posted: 12/7/2012 11:27 AM

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I was kind of thinking the same way. If they lose to HOU, then the best they'll get is the #3 seed most likely. So may as well let the back-ups get as much playing time the remaining games and rest the starters.
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Posted: 12/7/2012 12:59 PM

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"Assuming they get Lloyd involved the next few weeks, he'll probably end up around 800 yards and 5 TD's"

Ain't happening. 

Brandon Void has only averaged a little over 40 yards-per-game.  And there's only 4 games left, so all we're only looking here is about another 160 yards added to his current ~500 yards.     If he even makes 700 yards total that would be a stretch for him.

As someone pointed out his production is worse than what a declining Deion Branch did last season -- and Branch also caught a 60 yard TD bomb in a tight window against Denver in the playoffs, a type of play that Brandon Lloyd would never make (correct route-plus-catch-in-stride without butter fingers, or flopping to the ground) .... based on what we've seen from him this season.

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Posted: 12/7/2012 1:57 PM

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Note I said "Assuming they get Lloyd involved" ... if they don't throw to him because of the gameplan, then "oh well", as they say. But ~200 yards and a couple TD's over 4 games is certainly possible if they decide to use him.
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Posted: 12/8/2012 6:53 AM

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dokgonzo wrote: Brady needs to look for Lloyd more and McD needs to get him more involved as well.

Stallworth will do a fine job, he won't be as explosive as Edelman, but he's a cagey vet with enough left in the tank for the next 4 games and the playoffs.

Expect Vereen and Woody to be more involved in the passing game. Anyone who can catch and has speed/quickness will be running routes,
Funny thing happened with Stallworth Doc. He got old(er).
Sure hope he has the hands because he lacks the speed.

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Posted: 12/8/2012 3:15 PM

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I hope Chandler Jones gives it a go.We can sure use a pass rush in this game.
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Posted: 12/8/2012 3:42 PM

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Edelman isn't exactly a burner either. But he's shifty. Stallworth was always good with YAC and he's got veteran smarts, and he had no trouble learning the system before. And that there is probably as important as anything. The Pats have tried guys who were fast and if they can't learn the system they're useless. The other thing I like about Stallworth is he's a bigger body - 6' 220# - he'll be able to out-muscle DB's.
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Posted: 12/8/2012 4:09 PM

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 @jeffphowe: As expected, Gronkowski is officially out, Mayo is probable and the rest on the report are questionable.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 6:12 PM

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Alot going on with this game. Bradon bolden makes his return monday night. Mankins could return also. A nice strong running game would be huge. On d, chandler jones could make a return, and hopefully hes up to par to add a much needed rush rush. Mayo is 50/50, and thats huge if he doesnt play.Ravens lost there game today so with a pats win, not only are they a full game ahead of ravens, only 1 game beind hoston, The first round bye is huge for this team, for the extra time to get healthy. A loss moves them to 3th seed , basically no way to get 1st seed, really tough to catch ravens for 2nd, and same record with indy. Measuring stick game for sure.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 9:54 AM

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So much involving playoff seeds ride on this game. It's a conference game so a win is even more huge. It will help them stay in the second seed. Patriots by winning will control their own destiny.

This can also be called a "statement game".

Chance favors the Prepared Mind.

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Posted: 12/10/2012 5:08 PM

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At what point are these chuckle head commentators going to realize that TFB is most likely going down as the greatest poor weather QB to ever play the game? Every Snow/Rain game they are like "OMG, the weather is going to hinder the Pats offense".. Go ask the Colts, Titans, Bears ect ect.. How their blowout losses to the Pats in bad weather have felt..
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Posted: 12/10/2012 6:54 PM

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Bolden is activated for the game.

#Patriots inactives: OL Nick McDonald, OL Markus Zusevics, TE Rob Gronkowski, DL Jake Bequette, DL Ron Brace, DB D. Martin, FB J. Develin

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Posted: 12/10/2012 7:42 PM

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I'm really surprised that so many are picking that Pats.  The Texan's biggest weakness is the deep threat and we only have Lloyd for that.  Gronk is out, who was HUGE for creating mismatches.  We'll need to establish a running game against a great dline and dink and dunk against this D and convert in the redzone.  The rest will be up to our D vs. their O.  I hope this isn't the case but I have a lot of concerns about this game.
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