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Have we seen the last of Gabbert?

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Posted: 10/14/2013 9:07 AM

Have we seen the last of Gabbert? 


After watching Henne perform Sunday, its clear to those of us that aren't Gabbert fanboys that Henne should start for the rest of the year. Thoughts?

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Posted: 10/14/2013 1:09 PM

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I used to defend Gabbert due to the OL,receivers,Coaching changes,age,etc...
But,after the game a couple weeks ago,when he repeatedly missed receivers and ran out of the pocket at the first sign of trouble......I'm done.
I still think it's possible he could be a good QB in this league,but it won't be with the Jags and it won't be soon.
I don't know what good it does us starting Henne either though.
We will be drafting our "next" QB of the future after this season no matter how Henne does.
Plus,we want the #1 pick anyway.
I would rather start the kid from Arizona for the rest of the year just in case he pulls a Russell Wilson/Tom Brady on everyone.
Where is he anyway?

Nothing personal against Henne.....but unless they just want to be competitive the rest of the way and "maybe" win 1-2 games(which does nothing but possibly hurt our Draft position),why bother?





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Posted: 10/14/2013 2:29 PM

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I hear you and some what agree I just want this team to win and if its 1 or 2 so be it. Henne across the board is better than gabbert. IMHO we play Henne the rest of the year, Cut Gabbert, Draft your franchise QB and then go from there. I would still re-sign Henne for this reason, Let the rookie learn under him and come time for the rookie to start then put him in.
MrPadre19 wrote: I used to defend Gabbert due to the OL,receivers,Coaching changes,age,etc...
But,after the game a couple weeks ago,when he repeatedly missed receivers and ran out of the pocket at the first sign of trouble......I'm done.
I still think it's possible he could be a good QB in this league,but it won't be with the Jags and it won't be soon.
I don't know what good it does us starting Henne either though.
We will be drafting our "next" QB of the future after this season no matter how Henne does.
Plus,we want the #1 pick anyway.
I would rather start the kid from Arizona for the rest of the year just in case he pulls a Russell Wilson/Tom Brady on everyone.
Where is he anyway?

Nothing personal against Henne.....but unless they just want to be competitive the rest of the way and "maybe" win 1-2 games(which does nothing but possibly hurt our Draft position),why bother?

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Posted: 10/15/2013 10:21 PM

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Henne gives our other skill players an opportunity to grow. Gabbert...for some reason, doesn't seem capable of that yet. Time to move on, unfortunately.
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Posted: 10/16/2013 6:58 AM

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If we take a QB at the top of round 1...... I don't see any way he doesn't start game one of 2014.
It's the way it's done these days.
No way a #1 drafted QB sits on the bench for a guy like Henne.....or Gabbert.
Not in the current situation the Jags are in.
He will do the same thing Luck,and many others have.......start right away.

My only concern is,with probably TEN QB's in this draft that will go in the first 60 picks or so,I wish we could get Clowney or someone else at the top of first round and still get "our guy" at the top of then2nd.
But,as bad as we need a QB,I don't see them taking that chance.
If we take Bridgewater first overall for instance....then we get like the 4th(or 5th)best pass rusher in the 2nd,and then a QB taken later pulls off a Russell Wilson,it will suck for us cause we could have had the best pass rusher AND that QB.
But,like I said,we need a QB so bad they would look foolish if they waited and then missed out on him.
This draft is just so deep in QB's,if there was ever a time to wait till pick 33 it is this year.





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Posted: 10/16/2013 8:06 AM

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We could very easily get Clowney and then get our guy at QB. 9 different Qb's coming out have a 1st rnd grade. So a situation could present itself  where that can and likely happen. Plus only reason i say sit the rookie is look at what happened to Blaine, got banged around so much he is gun shy and has regressed. Either draft should be interesting
MrPadre19 wrote: If we take a QB at the top of round 1...... I don't see any way he doesn't start game one of 2014.
It's the way it's done these days.
No way a #1 drafted QB sits on the bench for a guy like Henne.....or Gabbert.
Not in the current situation the Jags are in.
He will do the same thing Luck,and many others have.......start right away.

My only concern is,with probably TEN QB's in this draft that will go in the first 60 picks or so,I wish we could get Clowney or someone else at the top of first round and still get "our guy" at the top of then2nd.
But,as bad as we need a QB,I don't see them taking that chance.
If we take Bridgewater first overall for instance....then we get like the 4th(or 5th)best pass rusher in the 2nd,and then a QB taken later pulls off a Russell Wilson,it will suck for us cause we could have had the best pass rusher AND that QB.
But,like I said,we need a QB so bad they would look foolish if they waited and then missed out on him.
This draft is just so deep in QB's,if there was ever a time to wait till pick 33 it is this year.

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Posted: 10/16/2013 4:04 PM

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The problem is,as bad as we need a QB going forward,if they wait till the 2nd round and the guy is another Gabbert.......and guys drafted in the first round become stars,Caldwell loses his job in a couple years.
It's just another example of our luck.
We will HAVE to take one with the first pick just to "do the right thing",in the one Draft where it would be wise to get him in the 2nd round.
Think about it.If they pass on Bridgewater(or whoever is top ranked) and the other top 3-4 QB's,and the guy they take wastes another 3 years "not" developing,Caldwell will be a laughingstock.
Whereas,if he takes Bridgewater(or whoever is top ranked),and he fails,at least everyone will say he took the "best option".
It would be different if our need wasn't so great.Maybe if Henne wins us a few games and takes a little heat off it will give us more choices.But,if he wins a few games it could also cost us the #1 pick.
Sucks being a Jags fan sometimes.

I will be SO happy the year we are finally competitive again.
When other fans fear our Team coming to town.....and certainly when we are better than the damn Titans again!





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Posted: 10/19/2013 1:12 AM

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This is a very complicated draft and thank god they have Caldwell running the show.
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Posted: 10/20/2013 1:00 AM

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MrPadre19 wrote: The problem is,as bad as we need a QB going forward,if they wait till the 2nd round and the guy is another Gabbert.......and guys drafted in the first round become stars,Caldwell loses his job in a couple years.
It's just another example of our luck.
We will HAVE to take one with the first pick just to "do the right thing",in the one Draft where it would be wise to get him in the 2nd round.
Think about it.If they pass on Bridgewater(or whoever is top ranked) and the other top 3-4 QB's,and the guy they take wastes another 3 years "not" developing,Caldwell will be a laughingstock.
Whereas,if he takes Bridgewater(or whoever is top ranked),and he fails,at least everyone will say he took the "best option".
It would be different if our need wasn't so great.Maybe if Henne wins us a few games and takes a little heat off it will give us more choices.But,if he wins a few games it could also cost us the #1 pick.
Sucks being a Jags fan sometimes.

I will be SO happy the year we are finally competitive again.
When other fans fear our Team coming to town.....and certainly when we are better than the damn Titans again!
I'm on the Teddy Train right now, I think right now hes the most NFL ready qb. I think he's leaning towards coming out after this year, his mom certainly thinks so. Our main competition for Teddy would probably be Tampa Bay. We play Chargers and 49ers then get a Bye. A good number of our games after the Bye our winnable. I don't condone purposely losing but I would be disappointed if we win to many to make us lose the 1st overall pick.

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Posted: 10/20/2013 4:39 AM

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Right now there 3 winless teams and 3 teams with 1 win. If everything stays the same the Jags could pick 3rd. Assuming Bridgewater and Clowney are the 1st two picked we may have to look at whoever is the next best option for our team. If we win the same amount of games that we won last year and the other teams mentioned dont improve we could pick 6th. That would put us out of the franchise type players range.    Right now most draft experts have Clowney (de),Bridgewater (qb), Matthews (ot) Barr and Mosley (lbs) at the top. Obviously this could change however most drafts only  have 4 to 5 elite type players. Honestly I would prefer us to win a few games and the other teams to win more so we can get one of the best players. I would like us to have Bridgewater or Clowney in a Jaguar uniform next year. We haven't had a good qb since Brunell or a good de since Brackens and I believe "Bridgewater or Clowney to be better than either one of them. With either one of them there would be "no Clowning around'" or a "Bridge over troubled Waters" biggrin
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Posted: 10/20/2013 7:57 AM

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I'm not too sure about Tampa....but I certainly expect the Giants to win a couple games.
I also expect Minn and Pitt to win at least a couple more.
The way we have looked....I see little chance we don't get a top 2 pick.....and more than likely THE top pick.

If we dont win,or at least compete,today against San Diego,i will be even more sure.





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Posted: 10/20/2013 11:49 AM

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sweetdaddycoolbreeze wrote: Right now there 3 winless teams and 3 teams with 1 win. If everything stays the same the Jags could pick 3rd. Assuming Bridgewater and Clowney are the 1st two picked we may have to look at whoever is the next best option for our team. If we win the same amount of games that we won last year and the other teams mentioned dont improve we could pick 6th. That would put us out of the franchise type players range.    Right now most draft experts have Clowney (de),Bridgewater (qb), Matthews (ot) Barr and Mosley (lbs) at the top. Obviously this could change however most drafts only  have 4 to 5 elite type players. Honestly I would prefer us to win a few games and the other teams to win more so we can get one of the best players. I would like us to have Bridgewater or Clowney in a Jaguar uniform next year. We haven't had a good qb since Brunell or a good de since Brackens and I believe "Bridgewater or Clowney to be better than either one of them. With either one of them there would be "no Clowning around'" or a "Bridge over troubled Waters" biggrin
Actually right now we would be picking second behind the Giants due to strength of schedule. Pittsburgh and New York will defiantly win some more games. Tampa has a lot of good players on their team they just don't have a good quarterback. With Freeman now in Minnesota they might even win some. I think out of all the worst 5 teams this season over the next 3 games Jaguars have the best shot at losing there next 2, of course with the BYE being the third game.I think Gabbert will probably get Healthy and they will start him, and starting Gabbert will make us lose the rest of our games after the BYE week.

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Posted: 10/21/2013 7:52 AM

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Henne had another solid week not world beater but solid, actually he had top 5 qb numbers looking at all the qb's, if you dont believe me go to espn and look them up. So lets re-hash yesterday. Blackmon if he drags his foot like he should have in the endzone its 24-13 now if shorts catches the ball instead of hitting him in the hands and bouncing off his face mask AGAIN!!!!!!!!! it's 24-20 now wether or not that holds up we are at least in the game. Yet the O-line allowed them to tap dance all over Henne, Henne got his ass kicked and while he did get his ass kicked. I know 100% that had gabbert been in the game he would have pulled up lame over a mysterious injury again!
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sweetdaddycoolbreeze wrote: Right now there 3 winless teams and 3 teams with 1 win. If everything stays the same the Jags could pick 3rd. Assuming Bridgewater and Clowney are the 1st two picked we may have to look at whoever is the next best option for our team. If we win the same amount of games that we won last year and the other teams mentioned dont improve we could pick 6th. That would put us out of the franchise type players range.    Right now most draft experts have Clowney (de),Bridgewater (qb), Matthews (ot) Barr and Mosley (lbs) at the top. Obviously this could change however most drafts only  have 4 to 5 elite type players. Honestly I would prefer us to win a few games and the other teams to win more so we can get one of the best players. I would like us to have Bridgewater or Clowney in a Jaguar uniform next year. We haven't had a good qb since Brunell or a good de since Brackens and I believe "Bridgewater or Clowney to be better than either one of them. With either one of them there would be "no Clowning around'" or a "Bridge over troubled Waters" biggrin
Actually right now we would be picking second behind the Giants due to strength of schedule. Pittsburgh and New York will defiantly win some more games. Tampa has a lot of good players on their team they just don't have a good quarterback. With Freeman now in Minnesota they might even win some. I think out of all the worst 5 teams this season over the next 3 games Jaguars have the best shot at losing there next 2, of course with the BYE being the third game.I think Gabbert will probably get Healthy and they will start him, and starting Gabbert will make us lose the rest of our games after the BYE week.

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Posted: 11/10/2013 3:21 PM

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I have never seen one player completely turn momentum around to the other team as fast as Henne just did for the Titans.
Those two pics were absolutely "horrible" decisions AND throws.
My goodness.
I see no reason to continue running either he or Gabbert out there.
There is zero chance either are with this team next season.......so why give them playing time with nothing to play for but the top draft pick?





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Posted: 11/11/2013 11:15 AM

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I disagree, if we put in someone else now we are even worse. you ride the better. One of the two INTS. were bad, other not so. Henne is critized for one thing inconsistancy. he quietly had a couple good games back to back despite being detroyed from getting sacked. I will say this yes I am a Henne guy, and I will say Gabbert stinks, he is bad bad bad, Stanzi never has impressed me ever in college or pro! Matt Scott well, Practice squad guy enough said. 

Also I believe Henne will be here next year, and Gabbert is gone. Tom Mcmanus thinks the world of Henne for the same reason I do, Henne is a tough SOB! I think while you point out the two Ints. you leave out the good throughs he did have and yes there were several even the annoucers pointed it out. Take a deep breathe and relax, We are what we are, a bad team, jut not 0-16 bad!
MrPadre19 wrote: I have never seen one player completely turn momentum around to the other team as fast as Henne just did for the Titans.
Those two pics were absolutely "horrible" decisions AND throws.
My goodness.
I see no reason to continue running either he or Gabbert out there.
There is zero chance either are with this team next season.......so why give them playing time with nothing to play for but the top draft pick?

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Posted: 11/11/2013 5:11 PM

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Doesn't change the fact that our starting QB for 2013 probably isn't on the roster.
I see no advantage to playing Gabbert OR Henne.
Just my opinion.

Of course....I thought we should have gone after Alex Smith.....so what do I know?banghead





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Posted: 11/12/2013 7:57 AM

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Henne across the board is better you cant compare the two and its not even close. If we had gone after Alex Smith we might have won 3 maybe 4 games and I stress that. This team is that bad, Smith wouldnt have made a difference.  
MrPadre19 wrote: Doesn't change the fact that our starting QB for 2013 probably isn't on the roster.
I see no advantage to playing Gabbert OR Henne.
Just my opinion.

Of course....I thought we should have gone after Alex Smith.....so what do I know?banghead

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Posted: 11/12/2013 6:51 PM

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Henne across the board is better you cant compare the two and its not even close. If we had gone after Alex Smith we might have won 3 maybe 4 games and I stress that. This team is that bad, Smith wouldnt have made a difference.  
MrPadre19 wrote: Doesn't change the fact that our starting QB for 2013 probably isn't on the roster.
I see no advantage to playing Gabbert OR Henne.
Just my opinion.

Of course....I thought we should have gone after Alex Smith.....so what do I know?banghead


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3 or 4 wins isn't a difference?
Really?
The biggest thing is that if we had gone after Smith(and I'm not saying he is great,just better than what we have), we would be able to draft Clowney,or any other great player in the next draft "instead" of a QB and "hoping" in three years we don't have to do it all over again.
We have shown over and over,no matter who the GM is,that we can't draft a franchise QB.
We have never done so.
All of a sudden we have to hope against all hope that next year will be different?
We had a chance to get a guy who is "good enough" to win in the NFL..........and we could have then built around him with draft picks and free agents.
But no.
Giving up a 2nd round pick was "too much"!
Give me a break.
We will spend the #1 pick in the entire draft on a QB and maybe,maybe he will be the right guy.
But maybe we will waste another three years figuring it out,and not winning along the way.

Bottom line.....with this teams success in the draft,getting a QB in a trade,who is good enough to take a good team to the playoffs,seems like a much better plan than sucking for three years and drafting one and hoping not to suck for three more.
I've been here since day one.We have had ONE good QB and we got him in a trade.
I hope as much as anyone else that this draft will be different,but I just can't understand how a draft pick that percentage wise makes little difference to the Jaguars,is more important than an established NFL QB!
Face it......letting him go to the Chiefs turned out to be a mistake.





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Posted: 11/12/2013 7:04 PM

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A better QB makes more of a difference than just the difference in his stats.
A better QB means a better offense.
It means the offense moves the ball better..........and farther.
It means better field position.....it means our defense is off the field longer.
It means tho oppositions' defense is ON the field longer.

Do you feel 100% confident that the Jaguars will pick the best QB in the Draft when the time comes?
Are you positive they will even pick one good enough to build around?
One that will still be the starter in three years?

Maybe they will.......but history,and the odds,are against them.





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Posted: 11/13/2013 8:29 AM

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Yes I am very serious its not that big of a difference and would not impact this team enough to say we have improved. even the experts think the same wayeek1. No disrespect to you, But letting him go to the chiefs wansn't a mistake great QB's cure alot of problems, but if you cant give that qb anytime to throw them really how great is he?????? this team has more damn issues than just a QB and be real about it our line is still terrible at best, no pass rush, we cant keep our elite WR clean, and then the qb, not to mention mojo has lost a step
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Henne across the board is better you cant compare the two and its not even close. If we had gone after Alex Smith we might have won 3 maybe 4 games and I stress that. This team is that bad, Smith wouldnt have made a difference.  
MrPadre19 wrote: Doesn't change the fact that our starting QB for 2013 probably isn't on the roster.
I see no advantage to playing Gabbert OR Henne.
Just my opinion.

Of course....I thought we should have gone after Alex Smith.....so what do I know?banghead


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3 or 4 wins isn't a difference?
Really?
The biggest thing is that if we had gone after Smith(and I'm not saying he is great,just better than what we have), we would be able to draft Clowney,or any other great player in the next draft "instead" of a QB and "hoping" in three years we don't have to do it all over again.
We have shown over and over,no matter who the GM is,that we can't draft a franchise QB.
We have never done so.
All of a sudden we have to hope against all hope that next year will be different?
We had a chance to get a guy who is "good enough" to win in the NFL..........and we could have then built around him with draft picks and free agents.
But no.
Giving up a 2nd round pick was "too much"!
Give me a break.
We will spend the #1 pick in the entire draft on a QB and maybe,maybe he will be the right guy.
But maybe we will waste another three years figuring it out,and not winning along the way.

Bottom line.....with this teams success in the draft,getting a QB in a trade,who is good enough to take a good team to the playoffs,seems like a much better plan than sucking for three years and drafting one and hoping not to suck for three more.
I've been here since day one.We have had ONE good QB and we got him in a trade.
I hope as much as anyone else that this draft will be different,but I just can't understand how a draft pick that percentage wise makes little difference to the Jaguars,is more important than an established NFL QB!
Face it......letting him go to the Chiefs turned out to be a mistake.

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