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State of the Jaguars

Posted: 12/17/2012 2:15 AM

State of the Jaguars 


What plans are in place to revamp the program? Who are we going to use to replace
Milarcky? Where should we go in the draft with a top 3 pick on a terrible draft class? I
honestly think we should get the BPA and go with Manti Te'o. This would complete our
linebacking corp and take some pressure off of our offense. Then the O-line, I'd go draft
here too. It just doesn't seem like free-agent O-linemen pan out too often.


With free-agency go with a QB and build the offense up that way. We FINALLY have a
notable receiving corp. With MJD back and a couple of new "hogs" in front i think our
offense can flourish. But first things first, CLEAR OUT THE FRONT OFFICE. Hell I miss JDR.
At least he had some cahonas. Gene Smith, bye. I think a well accomplished NCAA coach
would do us well. It worked in Seattle and San Fran. But yes, that is a rare case.
 

I'd like to hear some opinions and maybe.. MAYBE.. there will be a chance of optimism for
next year. We still have some good, cornerstone players. Posluszny, Shorts, MJD, Britton (i
think) Alualu, Cox, etc. We have a young team to build around but we need a true architect
to do so.

Go Jags!

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Posted: 12/17/2012 8:43 AM

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Henne is the best option we have right now. What truely is killing us is this No Offensive line, No running game, No pass rusher. The O-line has to be addressed first IMHO the QB cant pass if he is getting sacked or running for his life.

 NO NCAA coach is not the answer so many fail to those who succeed its not worth the gamble. Britton is terrible he has never been the same since he got hurt , Alu Alu hasnt shown me much and wasnt worth the 1st round pick he got. I believe people blame the QB way to much because its so easy to. When again its the O-line, I would trade down and to maybe 7 and get Taylor Lewan, if we couldnt get a signature free agent I.E. Jake Long. We could sign him move Monroe to the right side and then we could have or bookend tackles. I that doesnt go down then i believe Lewan is the best option for the O-line, Lewan is a left tackle but he can be moved to the right now you have solid tackles and then you can concentrate on free agent guards, or center.

2nd round is defense, defense, defense.

 One more thing I see is this team has NO elite speed, one thing i noticed in the draft is the enigma of Denard Robinson. No he is not a QB, however their is so much you can do with his speed. Wr/Rb/Kr or Pr/ Wildcat. The kid is a monster with the ball in his hands and we could use that speed because you cant teach 4.29 speed. and you could get him in the lower rounds like 3-5 round. We need playmakers, we need people on the D who have a nasty streak this off season will prove if the Hire of milarky was the right one!!!!!!!

 

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Posted: 12/17/2012 8:53 AM

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FWIW, am I biast to my team........ maybe so but Lewan has a top 10 grade on him. But I want this team to just WIN for god sake!

 

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Posted: 12/17/2012 1:49 PM

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Henne is indeed the answer......as long as the question is "Who would make a solid back up QB for us"?
Mike Mularkey isn't going anywhere.
He just got here and Gene Smith has given him very little and injuries have killed him.
Khan may/should dump Gene Smith,but Mularkey will be given 3-4 years.

I would be OK running with Gabbert/Henne for one more season if they do not see a franchise QB in this draft.
Drafting this high,or trading down for multiple picks should allow us to stock up on 3-4 real good players(starters).....as long as Smith isn't allowed to blow it again.
I agree we should go with BPA.....but not BMPA(best Michigan player available)wink

I think the quickest way to improve the defense is to improve the pass rush.....easier said than done.
But,doing this makes the pass defense better as well.
So...we need a guy who gets to the QB regularly....whoever that turns out to be.
I also think getting a CB as well will help alot.
So...improve the defense and the whole team is better.
On offense......we need big guys on the line more than anything else.
The Broncos showed that with a good OL even an average RB can excel.
So...I would go pass rusher...CB...and OL with the first 3 picks.



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Posted: 12/17/2012 6:03 PM

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It's depressing watching our defense try to rush the passer. Granted babin has been a upgrade, but if a team were to double team him on passing situations we wouldn't have a pass rush at all. As far as offense is concerned, we need to upgrade at LG and RT at one point or another during this offseason. I'm not saying that Bradfield is a complete waste, but to have some competition at those positions next year could significantly improve our offense--running and passing.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 9:22 AM

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I agree again I always want my guys on the team of coursewink but Lewan does have a top 10 grade and O-line to me is the area that needs attention the most. if Jarvis Jones was there then I would take Jones, But I watch the team week in and week out and man the O-line 1st then the D next. Henne gets killed back there and its sickening to watch because he stands in the pocket and trys to make the reads before getting killed?noidea. just my 2 cents
MrPadre19 wrote: Henne is indeed the answer......as long as the question is "Who would make a solid back up QB for us"?
Mike Mularkey isn't going anywhere.
He just got here and Gene Smith has given him very little and injuries have killed him.
Khan may/should dump Gene Smith,but Mularkey will be given 3-4 years.

I would be OK running with Gabbert/Henne for one more season if they do not see a franchise QB in this draft.
Drafting this high,or trading down for multiple picks should allow us to stock up on 3-4 real good players(starters).....as long as Smith isn't allowed to blow it again.
I agree we should go with BPA.....but not BMPA(best Michigan player available)wink

I think the quickest way to improve the defense is to improve the pass rush.....easier said than done.
But,doing this makes the pass defense better as well.
So...we need a guy who gets to the QB regularly....whoever that turns out to be.
I also think getting a CB as well will help alot.
So...improve the defense and the whole team is better.
On offense......we need big guys on the line more than anything else.
The Broncos showed that with a good OL even an average RB can excel.
So...I would go pass rusher...CB...and OL with the first 3 picks.

 

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Posted: 12/19/2012 12:07 AM

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Hail2Michigan1 wrote: FWIW, am I biast to my team........ maybe so but Lewan has a top 10 grade on him. But I want this team to just WIN for god sake!
I like your answer brother. Speaking of loving speed and being biased to our team. Randall 
Mackey at Ole Miss played with me at East Mississippi and is so talented with the ball in his
hand just like Denard. But unlike Denard he actually did play WR RB and QB (last year) 
for Ole Miss.

One guy in the draft I PRAY we stay away from is Mississippi State cornerback, Jonathan
Banks. He is total garbage. It was such a fluke that he was up for the Jim Thorpe award. 
Now Dee Milliner, wow. If he comes out in the draft snatch him up!

I don't like Milarcky because he hasn't proven anything. He has no proof that he can win
with past experiences and he sure didn't show anything this year, but heck, if you guys
say we should give him another chance then I'm with you. But Gene Smith, Get him out of
here.

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Posted: 12/19/2012 12:11 AM

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MrPadre19 wrote: Henne is indeed the answer......as long as the question is "Who would make a solid back up QB for us"?
Mike Mularkey isn't going anywhere.
He just got here and Gene Smith has given him very little and injuries have killed him.
Khan may/should dump Gene Smith,but Mularkey will be given 3-4 years.

I would be OK running with Gabbert/Henne for one more season if they do not see a franchise QB in this draft.
Drafting this high,or trading down for multiple picks should allow us to stock up on 3-4 real good players(starters).....as long as Smith isn't allowed to blow it again.
I agree we should go with BPA.....but not BMPA(best Michigan player available)wink

I think the quickest way to improve the defense is to improve the pass rush.....easier said than done.
But,doing this makes the pass defense better as well.
So...we need a guy who gets to the QB regularly....whoever that turns out to be.
I also think getting a CB as well will help alot.
So...improve the defense and the whole team is better.
On offense......we need big guys on the line more than anything else.
The Broncos showed that with a good OL even an average RB can excel.
So...I would go pass rusher...CB...and OL with the first 3 picks.

True, this is not a RB league anymore. This is a passing league so RB is a position that 
will win you games. I love MJD but the reason he has his stats is because we have no other
form of Offense.

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Posted: 12/19/2012 12:52 PM

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It's Tebow time.  Get rid of Henne, bring in Tebow and Vince Young and keep Gabbert and let them compete to run a spread option/hybrid offense that will at least be fun to watch, even if not successful.
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Posted: 12/19/2012 2:08 PM

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GatorsChompDawgs wrote: It's Tebow time.  Get rid of Henne, bring in Tebow and Vince Young and keep Gabbert and let them compete to run a spread option/hybrid offense that will at least be fun to watch, even if not successful.
Vince Young??

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Posted: 12/19/2012 3:33 PM

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BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! this post can't be serious, bring in tebow who is the leagues worst passer, and Vince Young who is a notch above him but not by much. ohlord
GatorsChompDawgs wrote: It's Tebow time.  Get rid of Henne, bring in Tebow and Vince Young and keep Gabbert and let them compete to run a spread option/hybrid offense that will at least be fun to watch, even if not successful.

 

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Posted: 12/19/2012 3:46 PM

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You're talking about two guys who've had more success than Henne, whom no one else wants and with good reason.  lmao  You think Henne's the answer  lol

Young's stats       Henne's stats     Tebow's stats

Now, which of these QBs has won the fewest games? 

You just owned yourself.
Hail2Michigan1 wrote: BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! this post can't be serious, bring in tebow who is the leagues worst passer, and Vince Young who is a notch above him but not by much. ohlord
GatorsChompDawgs wrote: It's Tebow time.  Get rid of Henne, bring in Tebow and Vince Young and keep Gabbert and let them compete to run a spread option/hybrid offense that will at least be fun to watch, even if not successful.

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Posted: 12/19/2012 4:23 PM

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Yeah, but of those 3 who's starting? Vince young is a fa (with good reason), Tebow wasn't chosen to replace sanchez (who a lot of people said would replace him when he struggled), and then there's Henne who's going to end this season as the starter (barring injury).
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Posted: 12/19/2012 4:35 PM

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lol  Henne's only starting here because Gabbert was in front of him.  Mind you, Gabbert was in front of him.  Tebow and Young have similar passer ratings to Henne, but each can run. 

MOJOizNUMBA1 wrote: Yeah, but of those 3 who's starting? Vince young is a fa (with good reason), Tebow wasn't chosen to replace sanchez (who a lot of people said would replace him when he struggled), and then there's Henne who's going to end this season as the starter (barring injury).

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Posted: 12/19/2012 10:25 PM

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Why do we want any of that garbage as we rebuild next yr?  Our rebuilding process starts with finding a franchise qb, tebow, young, and yes, even henne are all nobodys that no one wants, not our answer.  And no offense, but we can't just draft the entire Michigan football team, thats certainly not the answer.

We're now guaranteed to have a top 2 pick, and surely Jarvis Jones will be available there, which needs to be our pick.  Manti Te'o is a great player that I love, but certainly not worth the no. 1 or 2 pick, completely bc of the position he plays.  ILB, and 4-3 LB's these days are de-valued, w/ the premium positions being DL (including 3-4 OLB that are pass rushers), CB, QB, and OL.  We have to start stocking up on these premium positions, something that Gene Smith has completely failed to do.  When we think we have a good DL or good corners or good a good qb we need to go get even more.  Never become complacent at these premium positions and think you are good enough.  I.E., the giants have a good DL, but continue to stock up constantly.  I know the jets suck, but they stock up CBs and that has served them well, and the Pats come to mind as far as qbs, they have a top 3 qb in Brady, but are willing to spend a 2nd, I believe it was, for Mallet, because they understand how valuable the position is.  Our new GM has to understand the value of premium positions for us to be successful.

With that said, I believe our defense needs to be switched to 3-4, jarvis jones would be a great fit outside, w/ perhaps signing connor barwin to man the other outside spot, with poz and smith (we should resign him) on the insides.  Branch fits best as an OLB in a 3-4 rather than 4-3 end, and its always been said that Alualu best fits as a 3-4 end rather than 4-3 tackle.  I believe Mincey/Lane would hold their own at 3-4 DE also.  We would need to find a legit 3-4 NT because Knighton obviously isnt the answer.  Got to find some corners too,  Cox needs to be resigned despite his injury issues,  need to sign a guy or 2 also, maybe Sean Smith from Miami who is solid and going to be a free agent, and perhaps even Brent Grimes would come cheap after he was franchised by the falcons, but tore his ACL before the season.  Landry and Lowery are sufficient at the safety position, but prosinzski must go.

For the offense, I believe none of the "1st round" qbs are worthy of their draft statuses, however, the 2nd round offers several intriguing qbs such as Mike Glennon, Tyler Wilson, and Ryan Nassib.....new front office needs to chose whichever they like the best, and I would imagine Gabbert and Henne, or at least one of the two will continue to stick around throughout next yr.  We finally have some playmakers we can rely on at WR, but could use a little more depth there, and we could use some depth behind Lewis at TE.  At RB we have to figure out what to do with MJD, hopefully he retires a Jag, but don't be foolish and throw an aging player a large, long extension, it has to work for both sides.  We definitely need RB depth though, Rashad Jennings will be a free agent and obviously sucks.  Perhaps a late round RB could be found, or a cheap vet.  At FB, Greg Jones will be a free agent, and I love him as much as the next guy, but we have to let him walk, its a dying position and it would be foolish to put decent money into the position again like we did with his first contract extension.  Then comes the O-Line, Eugene Monroe is a lock at LT, he has become a stud, and Nwaneri is solid at LG.  Beyond that, let Meester, at his old age, go elsewhere or retire, as he is a free agent, I believe Brewster can slide right over and do fine.  At LG, we need to consider a reasonable free agent signing or a reasonable draft pick.  Lets not forget Will Rackley will be coming back from injury and we can still hope for good development from him, but he didnt show much of anything his rookie yr.  RT is the major issue, we can't go into next yr w/ Britton, Whimper, or Bradfield there, theyre all very very bad.  William Beatty of the NYG is a free agent I believe, and I think he would be a reasonable signing.

Sorry for such a long post, but those are my hopes for the offseason.  A lot to be accomplished, but I believe it all to be reasonable.  We will obviously not be fixed from one offseason after Gene Smith and Shack Harris just took a dump on our roster for the last 5 or 6 yrs, but we can get a great jump this offseason
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Posted: 12/19/2012 10:33 PM

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Do what I mention above, sell out with a spread option attack, and bring in some bad ass RBs and FBs and have the most physical team in football.  3-4 yards and a cloud of dust, with the occasional deep blast can win a lot of games.

erob322 wrote: Why do we want any of that garbage as we rebuild next yr?  Our rebuilding process starts with finding a franchise qb, tebow, young, and yes, even henne are all nobodys that no one wants, not our answer.  And no offense, but we can't just draft the entire Michigan football team, thats certainly not the answer.

We're now guaranteed to have a top 2 pick, and surely Jarvis Jones will be available there, which needs to be our pick.  Manti Te'o is a great player that I love, but certainly not worth the no. 1 or 2 pick, completely bc of the position he plays.  ILB, and 4-3 LB's these days are de-valued, w/ the premium positions being DL (including 3-4 OLB that are pass rushers), CB, QB, and OL.  We have to start stocking up on these premium positions, something that Gene Smith has completely failed to do.  When we think we have a good DL or good corners or good a good qb we need to go get even more.  Never become complacent at these premium positions and think you are good enough.  I.E., the giants have a good DL, but continue to stock up constantly.  I know the jets suck, but they stock up CBs and that has served them well, and the Pats come to mind as far as qbs, they have a top 3 qb in Brady, but are willing to spend a 2nd, I believe it was, for Mallet, because they understand how valuable the position is.  Our new GM has to understand the value of premium positions for us to be successful.

With that said, I believe our defense needs to be switched to 3-4, jarvis jones would be a great fit outside, w/ perhaps signing connor barwin to man the other outside spot, with poz and smith (we should resign him) on the insides.  Branch fits best as an OLB in a 3-4 rather than 4-3 end, and its always been said that Alualu best fits as a 3-4 end rather than 4-3 tackle.  I believe Mincey/Lane would hold their own at 3-4 DE also.  We would need to find a legit 3-4 NT because Knighton obviously isnt the answer.  Got to find some corners too,  Cox needs to be resigned despite his injury issues,  need to sign a guy or 2 also, maybe Sean Smith from Miami who is solid and going to be a free agent, and perhaps even Brent Grimes would come cheap after he was franchised by the falcons, but tore his ACL before the season.  Landry and Lowery are sufficient at the safety position, but prosinzski must go.

For the offense, I believe none of the "1st round" qbs are worthy of their draft statuses, however, the 2nd round offers several intriguing qbs such as Mike Glennon, Tyler Wilson, and Ryan Nassib.....new front office needs to chose whichever they like the best, and I would imagine Gabbert and Henne, or at least one of the two will continue to stick around throughout next yr.  We finally have some playmakers we can rely on at WR, but could use a little more depth there, and we could use some depth behind Lewis at TE.  At RB we have to figure out what to do with MJD, hopefully he retires a Jag, but don't be foolish and throw an aging player a large, long extension, it has to work for both sides.  We definitely need RB depth though, Rashad Jennings will be a free agent and obviously sucks.  Perhaps a late round RB could be found, or a cheap vet.  At FB, Greg Jones will be a free agent, and I love him as much as the next guy, but we have to let him walk, its a dying position and it would be foolish to put decent money into the position again like we did with his first contract extension.  Then comes the O-Line, Eugene Monroe is a lock at LT, he has become a stud, and Nwaneri is solid at LG.  Beyond that, let Meester, at his old age, go elsewhere or retire, as he is a free agent, I believe Brewster can slide right over and do fine.  At LG, we need to consider a reasonable free agent signing or a reasonable draft pick.  Lets not forget Will Rackley will be coming back from injury and we can still hope for good development from him, but he didnt show much of anything his rookie yr.  RT is the major issue, we can't go into next yr w/ Britton, Whimper, or Bradfield there, theyre all very very bad.  William Beatty of the NYG is a free agent I believe, and I think he would be a reasonable signing.

Sorry for such a long post, but those are my hopes for the offseason.  A lot to be accomplished, but I believe it all to be reasonable.  We will obviously not be fixed from one offseason after Gene Smith and Shack Harris just took a dump on our roster for the last 5 or 6 yrs, but we can get a great jump this offseason
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Posted: 12/20/2012 7:54 AM

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Thats not a very detailed plan there, thats just an overall generalization of you thinking we should switch to a scheme that is hard to believe will work in the NFL.  If the spread option could work like it does in college, don't you think more teams would be running it already?  People have even talked about Chip Kelly coming to the NFL, but its common belief he would not bring his spread offense (at least not one that requires so much qb running, i.e. this spread option you so desperately want) with him because it doesn't work in the NFL.  People view him as a good NFL coach, because he has a legendary offensive mind that can come up with a scheme for any talent and any situation; basically he is good at adjusting to what he is and the situation (therefore he can adjust his offense to the way the rest of the NFL plays the game). 

Secondly, this "3-4 yds and a cloud of dust offense" you speak of.  This to, rarely works in the NFL anymore; in fact, we used to be an offense that could pound it down your throat in the taylor/mjd duo days, but I think we are all ready for a legit offense that can keep up with the evolution of todays game, therefore, one with a legit qb/passing game.  While we have this thing completely torn down, with a chance to rebuild, we need to go ahead and do it the right way.  Also, if we were to institute an offense such as this, which we won't because its the NFL and its 2012, we would need some RB talent, yes, but most importantly we would need o-lineman, they are the key to rushing success, especially on the interior.  And "stud FB's" in your offense would would be a waste, unless you're wanting to run the power I rather than the spread option you mentioned.  Who uses a FB for the spread option?

Point is, we need to do this the right way while we have it torn down with a chance to rebuild.  No more cutting corners and taking short cuts in hopes of some flash in the pan immediate success, lets build something legit.  I don't feel like seeing a bunch of corners cut, and then we end up with more mediocrity/incompetance for another 4-6 yrs until the new GM, himself, is fired.  No need to come up with a gimmick offense, that most definitely will not have sustained success....instead build something legitimate and sustainable that we can hang our hats on for a long time.
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Posted: 12/20/2012 9:05 PM

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You obviously know nothing of football and rely on your ignorance of the game to do your talking. Do you realize your boy little Timmy teblow, has the worst QBR of all starting and of all 1st first round picks, that means even Ryan Leaf was better than him and he is labeled the NFL's all time biggest bust. So the spread offense could work in the NFL, what are you 12. That's like saying the wildcat work ........oh wait they tried that, and failed. Henne is hands down better than gabbert, Teblow, and young. IMHO you got your feelings hurt when someone down plays Timmy. NFL experts see what every non gator homer see, that he can't play qb. If Teblow came here you think we are bad now ..... It would only get worse. Listen seriously It's close to Christmas I'm sorry I can't share your feelings about Timmy I can't he is not any good. He can run well but that's it. We are all tired of losing are we not, we deserve better we do. But right now Henne is the best answer right now. Get over yourself. Oh and what was Henne's numbers against your gators? Almost400 yards passing 4 tds.final score 41-35. Just saying.

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lol  Henne's only starting here because Gabbert was in front of him.  Mind you, Gabbert was in front of him.  Tebow and Young have similar passer ratings to Henne, but each can run. 

MOJOizNUMBA1 wrote: Yeah, but of those 3 who's starting? Vince young is a fa (with good reason), Tebow wasn't chosen to replace sanchez (who a lot of people said would replace him when he struggled), and then there's Henne who's going to end this season as the starter (barring injury).


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Posted: 12/20/2012 9:08 PM

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Hail2...... I don't think they will take an OL in the first round since we will be picking in the top 3.
I could understand taking one with our 2nd.....which is still pick # 33 or so.

As far as another idea...and a way to add speed.
I was just reading how unhappy Percy Harvin is in Minn.
If he recovers well from his injury.......I would LOVE to trade for him.
He could return kicks......and how good would a receiving corp of Harvin-Shorts-Blackmon be?



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Posted: 12/20/2012 9:22 PM

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The thing about harvin, that worries me is that he has alot of migraine headaches. Something about that just doesn't sit well but Damn his speed would be nice. And would give us a weapon we haven't had in a while. I would take of course I think it would be a great pick up hands down. So yea Shorts-Blackmon-Harvin would be dare I say scary.... Wait if gene smith is still the g.m. it won't happen....... Fire Gene Smith.

 

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