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Interesting premise....

Posted: 8/19/2014 1:26 PM

Interesting premise.... 


My buddy and I stumbled upon something that I'd like to get feedback on.  We're wading through potential starters on the all "Glad to see him go" team.  Some positions are seemingly easy (QB, WR, K, and TE), but some are legitimately difficult, like picking only two corners or coming up with two safeties.  I guess each person will feel differently about a draft pick that maybe didn't work out or a high profile signing who just flat busted.  Have some fun with it!
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Posted: 8/19/2014 2:04 PM

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OK, I'll get the ball rolling.

QB- Boller-   To me it's obvious, but maybe some support for "Turnover" Tony Banks.  Him ceding the spot to "Turnover" Trent Dilfer helped us capture a ring.

FB- Leron-  Somehow believed that he was worth prime HB money.  Hey, he's allowed to ask.

WR-  Travis Taylor and Mark Clayton-  For me, they represent two wasted first rounders, although STRONG cases could be made for Lee Evans and TJ Houshmandzadeh.

TE-  Ed's "Tiny" Dickson-  I shouldn't be upset with him, since he developed exactly into what his pre draft scouting report said he would, but I get the sense he just didn't work at it.  My best memory of him is him not dropping the long completion early in SB 47, though he really tried to.
  
K- Cundiff

CB-  Probably the most controversial.  My gut says Samurai and Foxworth, although cases can certainly be made for Walker, Fabian, Baxter, and sadly, McAllister

Hopefully that helps capture the spirit of the discussion.
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Posted: 8/19/2014 2:05 PM

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My contributions...

CB - Deron Jenkins. 
Center - Mike Flynn
QB - "Wright/Boller" Same player both at root of most board debates at the time.
WR - (Lets go 3 Wide here)  Justin Armor, Travis Taylor, Lee Evans
Return Specialist - Lamont Brightful
RB - Jay Graham
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Posted: 8/19/2014 2:10 PM

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i wish people would lay off clayton. its not his fault ozzie drafted him in the 1st rd. he was a 2nd-3wr type guy. he had a good 2008 season when flacco was a rookie. and did well in 2006 also when he actually had a decent QB. he was way better than travis taylor.

"Got a cover of Sports Illustrated..it says the Titans are the best team in football...maybe they are...but not today" Brian Billick

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Posted: 8/19/2014 2:34 PM

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Kyle "thanks for keeping me from working at BK, suckas!" Boller

That is all.
 
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Posted: 8/19/2014 2:49 PM

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Thinking about this some more. We could have an all star Billick "Leap of faith" team. 

Captain and QB - Scott Mitchell. 
Close Call Offensive Coordinater - Juan Castillo


Don't get me wrong I appreciate Billick but his leap of faith roster was pretty humorous.
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Posted: 8/19/2014 3:06 PM

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Return man for me is Yamon Figurs.  Personally, I feel the sting more from failed high draft picks.  I forgive a guy like Dan Cody, since his career was just snake bitten. 

C-  I like Flynn, but I'm holding the spot for Always Queefy when he inevitably gets cut
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Posted: 8/19/2014 3:29 PM

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I was thinking about Figures when I put down Brightful. 

Flynn was indeed bad but what made it worse was Billick talked about him as if he was a pro bowler. He got routinely whipped. 

Rolle and Foxworth aren't in the same league of sucktitude as Deron Jenkins was.

Do we have anyone to challenge Jay Grahams hold on the RB position? (FWIW, I"ll take the whole platoon of replacements we had during J. Lewis' injured season over Graham. )
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Posted: 8/19/2014 4:43 PM

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Samari Rolle was a decent starting corner, especially in his days as a Titan. I would love to have an in his prime Samari Rolle on the roster right now.
 

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Posted: 8/19/2014 4:51 PM

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I would put in 3 WR's:

1 - That 6th round WR pick from Northern Arizona circa 2006-2007; tall target, couldn't catch. Can't recall his name
2 - Ron Johnson, bust from U of Minnesota
3 - Randy Hymes, made famous for his one-handed catch vs. Pittsburgh. Did we win that game? Did he have any other receptions? OK that was a cool catch!
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Posted: 8/19/2014 4:51 PM

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One CB is easy for me....

http://nolefan.org/football/fuller_corey.html
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Posted: 8/19/2014 4:54 PM

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Clarence Moore.  Jenkins may have been the worse corner, but Samurai was the worse value for me.  His signing was supposed to bring us the best set of corners in the game, and it never quite panned out.  He was always hurt and couldn't cover deep anymore.
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Posted: 8/19/2014 5:08 PM

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At CB how is nobody naming Antonio Langham.  That guy was the worst to ever do it.  

QB - Gotta be Boller.  Being a bust was bad enough.  Being forced down our throats cements his place on this list for me.  I can't believe that guy got 2 contracts out of the Ravens.

C - Mike Flynn.  Again a guy that was never replaced because he was never challenged.  The Ravens would draft centers and move them to guard.  Then Nestor always referring to their friendship made him hard to bear too.

WR - Marcus Smith and Tandon Doss.  A WR who never caught a pass and another I was never sold on.

CB - Langham.  I'll vote for him twice.
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Posted: 8/19/2014 7:54 PM

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I would say Doss is slightly unfair.  He was a hands guy coming out of school, and while he certainly didn't develop, he DID do some nice things for us.  He yielded us something given his draft position.  Travis Taylor sticks out for me because we could have taken ANYBODY else at that pick and extended our championship window.  I think a few years of Chad Pennington ball may have gotten us another ring.  most people believe Grbac was the reason we didn't repeat, but that's incorrect.  No Jamal is why we didn't repeat.  But Elvis's experience that year ruined him moving forward.
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Posted: 8/19/2014 8:31 PM

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No love for Frank?

Oderint dum metuant

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Posted: 8/19/2014 10:47 PM

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Samari Rolle? SERIOUSLY?

This team had Donnie Brady start at CB and Rondell Jones stat at FS, each for 1 year, Then, SEE YA!!!!!

As mentioned, Langham was bad, but Jenkins lasted for 2 or 3 years. Even Corey Ivy was worse than Rolle. I'd take Rolle in a heartbeat RIGHT NOW!!  

Aaron Pierce was a starting TE here.  Ethan Brooks wasn't stellar at RT. Hymes at WR wasn't good. If you want a suck RG, Vincent's available. And our homeboy Tommy Polley wasn't good at ILB for us.

I actually thought McLain was pretty good. Also never got the hate for Flynn. He was here for years for a reason.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 1:07 AM

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twazl634 wrote: i wish people would lay off clayton. its not his fault ozzie drafted him in the 1st rd. he was a 2nd-3wr type guy. he had a good 2008 season when flacco was a rookie. and did well in 2006 also when he actually had a decent QB. he was way better than travis taylor.
I tend to agree. 

Circa 2002 - 2005 the team had many receivers in mold of Ron Johnson, Clarence Moore, Randy Hymes, Marcus Robinson (then past his prime). It's as if the team was throwing darts hoping to find their version of Anquan Boldin (a player the Ravens would have had a shot at drafting in the second round of the 2003 draft had the team not traded away its second round selection in the Boller deal.)

The skill set was duplicative.

Mark Clayton broke that mold and he was what the team needed. But...they didn't need him after they signed Derrick Mason that same year.  The skill set was duplicative. 

The team's receiving corps went from stiff and tall to shifty and small. But what they needed was diversity.

Clayton was drafted at 22; Roddy White was drafted at 27. I wonder how different those scouting reports read.

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Posted: 8/20/2014 7:28 AM

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Carnell Lake gets one of the spots in the secondary.  It's difficult to assign position cause he had an amazing ability never to be in the picture with the ball.

Andre Gurode started some at guard and was as bad as we've seen here.

Leon Searcy was the worst FA signing ever.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 8:08 AM

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why not just make a worst 22 of all time ravens team.

"Got a cover of Sports Illustrated..it says the Titans are the best team in football...maybe they are...but not today" Brian Billick

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Posted: 8/20/2014 8:30 AM

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surprised to hear people defending clayton and travis taylor...these guys were 1st round busts that the team(as they`re want to do) held onto wayyyy too long.....set our offense back years and may have been partially responsible for why the team has been reticent to draft offensive talent early in the draft(aside from a handful of guys like flacco who the team took a chance on because we were absolutely desperate at a particular position)....

taylor and clayton were not 1st round talents...they weren`t 3rd round talents...
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