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Chykie Brown, time to move on!

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Posted: 8/18/2014 11:35 AM

Chykie Brown, time to move on! 


I have seen enough of this dude in 3 years to say 'move on' from him being a legit #3 CB option. In three years and now even different position coaches, he is horrific. Can't play the ball. Constantly running over WR's, due to having no instincts or skills to track the ball. The fundamental skills needed are lacking. You can't teach dumb!
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Posted: 8/18/2014 11:49 AM

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Well it's unlikley they're going to cut a 3rd year player when their 2 starters are banged up but I agree with you that Brown doesn't appear to be getting it and this point.   

Asa I have hope for, we probably need to add somebody else in here soon 

...and don't call me Shirley
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Posted: 8/18/2014 11:54 AM

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Brooks in the slot is becoming a possibility by necessity.
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Posted: 8/18/2014 12:23 PM

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IMHO, Chykie is an option that should see the field only in rare conditions. He to me is akin to having Terrence Cody along the D-line -- that is, if you're counting on them to play, then you're not good enough in that area.

Chykie as a core special-teamer who wears a def-back jersey number is fine by me. Chykie as an actual player playing defensive-back isn't fine by me.

You gotta look at this depthchart right now, and see how literally shredded it is.

Webby, Jimmy Smith & Aaron Ross would've been our main trio of corners...

Ross shredded his achilles and is done, Webby has back issues that could linger or re-occur and now Jimmy has internal bruising...

so now enter the lesser-named guys -- Asa Jackson, Chykie Brown & Dominique Franks.

Asa gets nicked up and can't play right now, Franks is experienced but is limited, and Chykie is "son of Frank Walker"-ish.

Then you got a few undrafteds who look like they thoroughly need developmental time and/or a change of occupation.

I guess I have to throw in Terrence Brooks here because he's a guy who may be able to help in sub-package defense as a coverage option, but its gonna take a bit of time to get him acclimated.

Dean Pees has his work cut out for him if his main blue-chip starters can't make it back or stay healthy. Ozzie & company need to be working this thing behind-the-scenes. If all works out from a health perspective then there may be growing pains but we can be okay. But if not, then we're a true person short...

and that 'person short' cannot be made up with Chykie impersonating Frank F'n Walker!

I know that Ozzie sees what we all see and he'll do what is feasible, so we'll see how it goes.

C DiP
Poundin' da rock & Punishin' D wins games, period!!!
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Posted: 8/18/2014 12:33 PM

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CDiPiranha wrote: IMHO, Chykie is an option that should see the field only in rare conditions. He to me is akin to having Terrence Cody along the D-line -- that is, if you're counting on them to play, then you're not good enough in that area.

Chykie as a core special-teamer who wears a def-back jersey number is fine by me. Chykie as an actual player playing defensive-back isn't fine by me.

You gotta look at this depthchart right now, and see how literally shredded it is.

Webby, Jimmy Smith & Aaron Ross would've been our main trio of corners...

Ross shredded his achilles and is done, Webby has back issues that could linger or re-occur and now Jimmy has internal bruising...

so now enter the lesser-named guys -- Asa Jackson, Chykie Brown & Dominique Franks.

Asa gets nicked up and can't play right now, Franks is experienced but is limited, and Chykie is "son of Frank Walker"-ish.

Then you got a few undrafteds who look like they thoroughly need developmental time and/or a change of occupation.

I guess I have to throw in Terrence Brooks here because he's a guy who may be able to help in sub-package defense as a coverage option, but its gonna take a bit of time to get him acclimated.

Dean Pees has his work cut out for him if his main blue-chip starters can't make it back or stay healthy. Ozzie & company need to be working this thing behind-the-scenes. If all works out from a health perspective then there may be growing pains but we can be okay. But if not, then we're a true person short...

and that 'person short' cannot be made up with Chykie impersonating Frank F'n Walker!

I know that Ozzie sees what we all see and he'll do what is feasible, so we'll see how it goes.

C DiP
You just insulted Frank!
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Posted: 8/18/2014 12:35 PM

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Franks was pretty damn embarrassing on that td. He was twirling around like he was in a broadway musical.
We have known all off season they were short back there. Ozzie went the bargain basement route and it could cost us. If our starters are hurt and Elam continues to play poorly we simply have no depth.

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Posted: 8/18/2014 12:37 PM

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Elam has played for 2 quarters this year, that theory is just plain BS!
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Posted: 8/18/2014 12:42 PM

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He has gotten less then stellar reviews all camp long from multiple sources. And I have yet to see the guy tackle. But I'm less concerned with him then the secondary as a whole. The point is he shouldn't be be a worry at all.

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Posted: 8/18/2014 12:51 PM

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BertJonesMyHero wrote: Franks was pretty damn embarrassing on that td. He was twirling around like he was in a broadway musical.
We have known all off season they were short back there. Ozzie went the bargain basement route and it could cost us. If our starters are hurt and Elam continues to play poorly we simply have no depth.
Franks realistically was step-for-step with Dez on that play. He simply couldn't locate the ball or lean against the receiver (who actually made a play on the ball). In real terms, I'm not asking my 4th, my 5th or my 6th corner (depending on how you see Franks at this juncture) to be capable of guarding a premier wideout like Dez Bryant man-up and win those battles -- that not being realistic...

what is being realistic is not having a depthchart where Franks is asked to be your best corner option or whatever.

As I said, its more than okay to have low-level guys be low-level on your depthchart. That means that if they have to play then its only because of calamity -- and there's little you can do about that. What the problem is is when you have low-level guys having to play meaningful roles and you just allow it to play itself out that way because of frugality or 'lack of priority' etc. Having Chykie for example be a 3rd-CB option if proof of what I'm speaking of. He's not capable, and even if you like the kid under the helmet the film says he isn't capable...

now, that doesn't mean you can't keep him as say your 5th-CB and core special-teamer if you like him and you desire to. There's many different roles on this team, and its possible he can man one of them. But having Chykie as your 3rd-CB or as a true option covering on the outside IN ANY REAL PACKAGE shouldn't be something you pencil in, barring the injury bug hitting you.

Where's Corey Graham when you reeeeeally need em? frown

Anywhoo, there's still a couple of wks til this thing is for real, so we'll see how it plays out.

C DiP
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Posted: 8/18/2014 12:55 PM

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I hope Pees and Spags have a plan. We are running out of time. I have heard very little from the three UDFA's, other than they haven't been impressive, other than the kid from Texas A&M.
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Posted: 8/18/2014 1:08 PM

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There are two parts of pass defense - secondary and pass rush. You have good depth in one or the other, rarely do you get the luxury of both. In the case of a less-than-stellar secondary, you hope your pass rush throws off the QBs accuracy and timing, giving the secondary the chance to hide their deficiencies. Fortunately, we're not playing Brady/Manning this season (well, not any time soon anyway).

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!!!

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Posted: 8/18/2014 1:12 PM

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CDiPiranha wrote:
BertJonesMyHero wrote: Franks was pretty damn embarrassing on that td. He was twirling around like he was in a broadway musical.
We have known all off season they were short back there. Ozzie went the bargain basement route and it could cost us. If our starters are hurt and Elam continues to play poorly we simply have no depth.
Franks realistically was step-for-step with Dez on that play. He simply couldn't locate the ball or lean against the receiver (who actually made a play on the ball). In real terms, I'm not asking my 4th, my 5th or my 6th corner (depending on how you see Franks at this juncture) to be capable of guarding a premier wideout like Dez Bryant man-up and win those battles -- that not being realistic...

what is being realistic is not having a depthchart where Franks is asked to be your best corner option or whatever.

As I said, its more than okay to have low-level guys be low-level on your depthchart. That means that if they have to play then its only because of calamity -- and there's little you can do about that. What the problem is is when you have low-level guys having to play meaningful roles and you just allow it to play itself out that way because of frugality or 'lack of priority' etc. Having Chykie for example be a 3rd-CB option if proof of what I'm speaking of. He's not capable, and even if you like the kid under the helmet the film says he isn't capable...

now, that doesn't mean you can't keep him as say your 5th-CB and core special-teamer if you like him and you desire to. There's many different roles on this team, and its possible he can man one of them. But having Chykie as your 3rd-CB or as a true option covering on the outside IN ANY REAL PACKAGE shouldn't be something you pencil in, barring the injury bug hitting you.

Where's Corey Graham when you reeeeeally need em? frown

Anywhoo, there's still a couple of wks til this thing is for real, so we'll see how it plays out.

C DiP
Agreed cdip. We all fretted about the depth at CB all off season especially after we lost Corey and with Webbs injury history. 21 also names a name I'm not real fond of- Pees. But I don't want to go down that road in pre season. Let's pray for the top 3 to get healthy. Cause week 1 vs the Cincy offense could be brutal.
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Posted: 8/18/2014 1:37 PM

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cvilleRaven wrote: There are two parts of pass defense - secondary and pass rush. You have good depth in one or the other, rarely do you get the luxury of both. In the case of a less-than-stellar secondary, you hope your pass rush throws off the QBs accuracy and timing, giving the secondary the chance to hide their deficiencies. Fortunately, we're not playing Brady/Manning this season (well, not any time soon anyway).
A healthy Webby, Jimmy Smith & Asa would go a looooooong way in helping this secondary get cohesive. Sadly for Dean Pees and for us as fans, we haven't experienced that yet...

instead we've seen Chykie hold and be a step late as he gets picked on. Franks being welcomed into meaningful playing time. Guys like Elam & Terrence Brooks being asked to cover the slot in our defense as we try to spackle or gum-tape this thing together. And of course the young undrafteds getting schooled as only they can.

Its a trying time for all involved. Getting healthy is the best remedy, but Ozzie and his group have gotta be scouring each team to see if there's a potential "Josh Wilson" being dangled, or even a potential "Cary Williams" available (a good looking promising developmental guy who is caught in a numbers crunch). 

The next wk or two will be telling indeed.

C DiP
Poundin' da rock & Punishin' D wins games, period!!!
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Posted: 8/18/2014 1:51 PM

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It doesn't matter who is at safety if we can't field stating corners. in 2007, The year that killed Billick™ we had Ed Redd and Dawan Landry for 16 games and went 5 and 11, Rburger had a carrier game in passing TDs, our starting corners were David Pittman and Ronnie Prude, with a short showing by Corey Ivy. Without starting corners this could be, The season that buried Harbaugh®.
 
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Posted: 8/18/2014 1:52 PM

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* Agreed cdip. We all fretted about the depth at CB all off season especially after we lost Corey and with Webbs injury history. 21 also names a name I'm not real fond of- Pees. But I don't want to go down that road in pre season. Let's pray for the top 3 to get healthy. Cause week 1 vs the Cincy offense could be brutal.


Pees definitely has his work cut out.

The issue that I've had with the folks who don't like Pees is in realistic terms when has Pees had the horses to be the type of defense that fans in Bmore expect of him or our team?...

when he had an experienced back-end, he had a weak D-line (yet we won it all or got to the AFCCG). Last yr he had to play coverage with basically two strong-safeties and no real free-safety of merit. Now it seems that as his D-line is being addressed his secondary cannot get healthy or gain any cohesion...

what is he realistically supposed to do or to accomplish?!

In taking this back to our secondary and away from Pees, Ozzie and our coaches have to see what is going on. They'll get the true scoop on the health of our prime D-backs and they'll put their heads together to see what they can come up with as far as to how we patch this up. It may even come down to us having to struggle a bit early-on with ill-fitted parts as we get this thing in shape. Rome wasn't built in a day, and its possible that the first couple of gms have to be played with us not at full strength. I dunno, I'm just throwing that out there as a possibility.

The season is long, and if we have to go thru a few bumps in August & even September in order to become battle-hardened in Dec, Jan & February then so be it!

Lots of twists & turns ahead, so let's hang on together my friend.

C DiP
Poundin' da rock & Punishin' D wins games, period!!!
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Posted: 8/18/2014 1:56 PM

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As long as the FO/cs is headed in a positive direction... whatever, It's all good no matter the win loss record.
 
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Posted: 8/18/2014 2:27 PM

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akacrow wrote: As long as the FO/cs is headed in a positive direction... whatever, It's all good no matter the win loss record.
Crow, I believe they're heading in the proper direction overall.

Injuries have thrown a wrench into things right now, but I think everyone of merit seems to be pointed in the same direction.

Health has always been a prime difference in a team's success. If we can get healthy then I feel we have a firm chance to make some noise this yr. We may need to get a D-back reinforcement from another roster to help bridge this thing (plus Will Hill is perhaps gonna get a chance beginning in late-Oct if all goes well)...

just gotta figure out how bad the current damage is from our prime guys and plot a course for getting out of this predicament.

Crow, time will tell buddy.

C DiP
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Posted: 8/18/2014 2:48 PM

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CDiPiranha wrote:
akacrow wrote: As long as the FO/cs is headed in a positive direction... whatever, It's all good no matter the win loss record.
Crow, I believe they're heading in the proper direction overall.

Injuries have thrown a wrench into things right now, but I think everyone of merit seems to be pointed in the same direction.

Health has always been a prime difference in a team's success. If we can get healthy then I feel we have a firm chance to make some noise this yr. We may need to get a D-back reinforcement from another roster to help bridge this thing (plus Will Hill is perhaps gonna get a chance beginning in late-Oct if all goes well)...

just gotta figure out how bad the current damage is from our prime guys and plot a course for getting out of this predicament.

Crow, time will tell buddy.

C DiP
If Ozzie keeps hitting in the draft and like you said the team remains healthy the sky is the limit.

2011 Jimmy and Torrey Smith, and Pernell McPhee  These players are just now coming up for contract
2012 Upshaw, Osemele, Pierce, Asa Jackson and Tyson, Gradkowski seems like he could be at least a respectable backup
2013 Elam, Brown, Williams, Juszczyk, Wagner, Lewis-Moore, Jensen  Elam is a good player,  Brown will make an impact.
2014, Mosley, Jernigan, Brooks, Gillmore, Urban, Taliaferro, Urschel, Wenning, Campanaro.

These drafts look very promising, we also have Will Hill(24),  provided he can keep his head out of his ass, who was rated as the third best free safety in 2013. 

The way Ozzie has been drafting lately 2015 this team should be well over the top in all categories.
 
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Posted: 8/18/2014 3:00 PM

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akacrow wrote: It doesn't matter who is at safety if we can't field stating corners. in 2007, The year that killed Billick™ we had Ed Redd and Dawan Landry for 16 games and went 5 and 11, Rburger had a carrier game in passing TDs, our starting corners were David Pittman and Ronnie Prude, with a short showing by Corey Ivy. Without starting corners this could be, The season that buried Harbaugh®.

Highly doubtful.  Harbaugh isn't on the hot seat until the Ravens miss the playoffs this year AND show signs they will miss it by week 8 of next year.

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!!!

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Posted: 8/18/2014 3:06 PM

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cvilleRaven wrote:
akacrow wrote: It doesn't matter who is at safety if we can't field stating corners. in 2007, The year that killed Billick™ we had Ed Redd and Dawan Landry for 16 games and went 5 and 11, Rburger had a carrier game in passing TDs, our starting corners were David Pittman and Ronnie Prude, with a short showing by Corey Ivy. Without starting corners this could be, The season that buried Harbaugh®.

Highly doubtful.  Harbaugh isn't on the hot seat until the Ravens miss the playoffs this year AND show signs they will miss it by week 8 of next year.
I agree, Harbaugh will not be going anywhere, but the lamentations of the fans will be in full effect.
 
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