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Joe : Is there more there?

  • Mohara
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Posted: 8/8/2014 4:07 PM

Joe : Is there more there? 


So Joe has one of the best post seasons in NFL history, with some of the attendant luck required to do that, and wins the big one in year 5.  Has a mediocre season 6.

Is there more there?  Is there more upside to Joe or have we seen the best of him?

I love the guy but you start to wonder if the "This is Joe Flacco's breakout season" talk we hear every year is going to be just that, talk, and we've seen as good as it gets.

I want to win and we have with him and don't need the gaudy stuff but I'm wondering if there is a next level or if we've seen the best of him.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 4:18 PM

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Mohara wrote: So Joe has one of the best post seasons in NFL history, with some of the attendant luck required to do that, and wins the big one in year 5.  Has a mediocre season 6.

Is there more there?  Is there more upside to Joe or have we seen the best of him?

I love the guy but you start to wonder if the "This is Joe Flacco's breakout season" talk we hear every year is going to be just that, talk, and we've seen as good as it gets.

I want to win and we have with him and don't need the gaudy stuff but I'm wondering if there is a next level or if we've seen the best of him.
depends what you mean?  
Have we seen the best of him?  As in can he be better then he was in the 2012 postseason?  Not sure.  Can he play at THAT level more consistently?  I believe so.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 6:50 PM

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I think we're about to see him in the first real modern offense he's been in.

Air Coryell is more set up for a league that was more physical and relied on running.  In this pass happy league now, a controlled passing offense that is balance and explosive is a better match.

And, we have the best supporting cast on offense I think we've ever had.  A lot of quality depth, youth, skill, and speed.

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Posted: 8/8/2014 8:40 PM

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I think we've seen the best of Joe. His inconsistency and mental mistakes will prevent him from ever having that "breakout season" IMO. That's not to say he's a bad QB. He's shown that he has the ability to help his team win a super bowl. That's all you really can ask for from your QB.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 9:16 PM

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I think we have seen the best of Joe..in terms of quality of passes and decision-making. That third-down throw in Denver, in overtime, on his own goal line, to Pitta -- great. That Superbowl audible to Boldin, when the momentum had swung wildly in San Francisco's favor -- that took guts.

I also think we haven't seen the best of Joe in terms of quantity. As I've muttered some time ago, during the Harbaugh era the Ravens have not needed to press the Flacco Button often. The teams have usually had a strong running game and a strong defense. The team has been and/or has strived to be balanced...balanced between offense and defense, and between run and pass. But when the team presses the Flacco Button he pays out (even if some of his receivers did not.).

Last year, the defense was good, but gave up big plays that cost the team at least two games (Chicago and Green Bay). Last year the team could not run the ball. There was no balance. And, when Dallas Clark and Brandon Stokley are asked to be your chain-movers -- well, there aren't the weapons for an effective pass offense. 

Like most people, I care about wins and championships. If Joe Flacco is this era's Troy Aikman, then I'll gladly accept two more Lombardi trophies and leave the MVP awards and Competition Committee wins to Peyton Manning.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 11:33 PM

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It all depends on how Joe's skill set applies to Kubiak's system. When Joe had Boldin, Smith and Pitta, backed by a quality run game his intermediate passing game was on par with Brady's. The quick passing game, and pre-snap reads, should keep defenses from teeing off on Joe, and relieve some of the pressure on the offensive line.
 

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Posted: 8/9/2014 2:51 AM

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IMO, the Ravens get a lot of mileage out of Flacco, considering what they give him to work with. Last year the OL was terrible, there was no running game, and IIRC, two starting receivers are no longer playing in the NFL. If you want more out of Flacco, you need to surround him with more talent. But the Ravens seem to focus on D. They have 5 starters on D that were picked in the first round. They have only 2 on the O, and one of them is Flacco. He has already won a SB in 2013. He is probably a better QB than either QB that started for the SB winners in 2014 or 2012.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 8:30 AM

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I think we're about the see Flacco's best season.
Just like the 2012 post season, the stars have aligned.

  Last year was simply a disaster on many fronts. Injuries on the Oline putting guys out of position, Ray Rice with his nagging hip all year.  Juan's new blocking scheme that nobody could grasp or had the physical tools to carry out.

Now we have an OC and a system that fits Flacco like a glove. We have the players on Oline to carry out Kubiak's blocking scheme.  We have talented WR's and TE's.  We have a backfield that's healthy and built function in the new system.

  In short, Baltimore now has an offense that can hit you any way they want, all over the field.  And a coach smart enough to put it all together and make it happen.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 9:36 AM

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ALL HE DOES IS WIN

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Posted: 8/9/2014 9:59 AM

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braven98 wrote: ALL HE DOES IS WIN
Right.

I think it's funny how the breakout season stuff talk has actually died down this year but the man wins.  He wins.  

I also think it's true with:

Jones
Smith
Smith
Pitta
Brown
Campanero
Daniels

in Kubiaks system he will have a great year.

Yes I am a Joe lover.  You can start a thread like this w/out being a hater.  I just wondered if there will be a period of time when we are all like "holy crap" Joe is playing great.

He could put up monster numbers and we could be losers like the Testaverde era.  I'll settle for winning.

Either way, haters gonna hate.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 10:02 AM

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There exists precedent for quarterbacks really hitting their peak and taking their game to the next level around year 7.  That doesn't necessarily mean it will happen with Flacco, but it doesn't mean it won't, either.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 10:16 AM

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edreedisgod20 wrote: There exists precedent for quarterbacks really hitting their peak and taking their game to the next level around year 7.  That doesn't necessarily mean it will happen with Flacco, but it doesn't mean it won't, either.
roller coaster year for Joe in 2013. He had his career best in passing yards, but second worse in TD's and by far the worse in sacks and picks.

  Simply put, the guy took a pounding behind  bad line play.
So why can't he have a phenomenal 7th season?

Like I said earlier,  the stars are aligned.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 11:14 AM

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Mohara wrote: So Joe has one of the best post seasons in NFL history, with some of the attendant luck required to do that, and wins the big one in year 5.  Has a mediocre season 6.

Is there more there?  Is there more upside to Joe or have we seen the best of him?

I love the guy but you start to wonder if the "This is Joe Flacco's breakout season" talk we hear every year is going to be just that, talk, and we've seen as good as it gets.

I want to win and we have with him and don't need the gaudy stuff but I'm wondering if there is a next level or if we've seen the best of him.
I think there's more there. He just hasn't had an offensive coordinator that could maximize his potential. Cam Cameron was ok, but didn't take the training wheels off and his system was old. Caldwell was abysmal and didn't add anything to the mix. If he has another mediocre season under Kubiak, then I think we can say we've seen the best from him. However the 2012 postseason shows that Flacco can be a Top 5 QB.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 12:15 PM

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I would definitely like to see a more consistently good Flacco (statistically speaking) than what we've seen in past years, but I do think he's poised to have a great season.  Lots went wrong last season and I definitely don't put the decline in performance all on him... very excited to see what Flacco and the re-tooled offense - personnel-wise and schematically - bring to the table this season.

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Posted: 8/9/2014 3:57 PM

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ravmaniac wrote: I think we're about the see Flacco's best season.
Just like the 2012 post season, the stars have aligned.

  Last year was simply a disaster on many fronts. Injuries on the Oline putting guys out of position, Ray Rice with his nagging hip all year.  Juan's new blocking scheme that nobody could grasp or had the physical tools to carry out.

Now we have an OC and a system that fits Flacco like a glove. We have the players on Oline to carry out Kubiak's blocking scheme.  We have talented WR's and TE's.  We have a backfield that's healthy and built function in the new system.

  In short, Baltimore now has an offense that can hit you any way they want, all over the field.  And a coach smart enough to put it all together and make it happen.
Agreed. Let's see what happens this year. 
I'm also curious to see what happens in Det. I think Caldwell was part of the problem. Can't believe he gt promoted.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 5:00 PM

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RavenDomination wrote:
Mohara wrote: So Joe has one of the best post seasons in NFL history, with some of the attendant luck required to do that, and wins the big one in year 5.  Has a mediocre season 6.

Is there more there?  Is there more upside to Joe or have we seen the best of him?

I love the guy but you start to wonder if the "This is Joe Flacco's breakout season" talk we hear every year is going to be just that, talk, and we've seen as good as it gets.

I want to win and we have with him and don't need the gaudy stuff but I'm wondering if there is a next level or if we've seen the best of him.
I think there's more there. He just hasn't had an offensive coordinator that could maximize his potential. Cam Cameron was ok, but didn't take the training wheels off and his system was old. Caldwell was abysmal and didn't add anything to the mix. If he has another mediocre season under Kubiak, then I think we can say we've seen the best from him. However the 2012 postseason shows that Flacco can be a Top 5 QB.
But the 6 years of inconsistent play shows that he can't be a top 5 QB. Not that he needs to be a top 5 QB.

What Joe did in the the 2012 postseason was phenomenal. He did something that had only been done twice before in the history of the NFL. Something that will probably not happen again for a long time. 

I'm excited to see what he can do in Kubiak's system. Matt Schaub had a few solid seasons in that system and I think we can all agree that Joe is a better QB than Schaub.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 5:13 PM

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Top 10 and a pro bowl would be a nice goal.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 7:38 PM

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BertJonesMyHero wrote:
ravmaniac wrote: I think we're about the see Flacco's best season.
Just like the 2012 post season, the stars have aligned.

  Last year was simply a disaster on many fronts. Injuries on the Oline putting guys out of position, Ray Rice with his nagging hip all year.  Juan's new blocking scheme that nobody could grasp or had the physical tools to carry out.

Now we have an OC and a system that fits Flacco like a glove. We have the players on Oline to carry out Kubiak's blocking scheme.  We have talented WR's and TE's.  We have a backfield that's healthy and built function in the new system.

  In short, Baltimore now has an offense that can hit you any way they want, all over the field.  And a coach smart enough to put it all together and make it happen.
Agreed. Let's see what happens this year. 
I'm also curious to see what happens in Det. I think Caldwell was part of the problem. Can't believe he gt promoted.
I don't think he was part of the problem. That  guy is still here.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 9:19 PM

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This is pretty funny.

Like maybe he could  be the MVP of the Hyper Bowl or something to eclipse SB MVP.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 1:07 AM

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Some people on here completely ignore the talent around him, as well as coaching or system.

If Matt Schaub could be efficient in Kubiak's system, I think Flacco could be downright nasty, with all this talent around him.

The bottleneck here will likely be o-line, and if that one drive is any indicator, barring a major o-line injury, the sky is the limit

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