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Posted: 7/5/2014 3:41 PM

Josh Gordon 


I've commented here before, when folks, defend him or say the so called expected 1 year suspension is too much. Josh, doesn't respect authority. Period.

This isn't his first, second, third, fourth, fifth or sixth, chance. Hell, if you look at his incidents during his amateur career it's astounding. Even after it became public after the draft time news of this pending up to a year suspension, he has had two more incidents. The Driving issue over a month a go, when a Ohio trooper smelled grass, and ticketed him for speeding, and now this issue in North Carolina.

It's time for the chances to be put to rest, and get Josh serious intervention, while he is away from the game. He doesn't respect the game, it's NFLPA CBA rules, or his teammates. Just two days ago, it became public that he had a hearing date set to have the NFL hear his appeal. Quite frankly, it should be canceled, and the kid needs serious help.

Last edited 7/5/2014 3:50 PM by 21XXXV

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Posted: 7/5/2014 4:01 PM

Re: Josh Gordon 


There is no help for some people. Its the life they choose. He was handed a perfectly good opportunity on a golden platter. I feel no sympathy for him. I'd rather him get stripped of being an NFL player again. One, because he deserves it. Two, he'll never learn. Like you said, look at all the chances he's been given. Third, it weakens Cleveland.
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Posted: 7/5/2014 4:24 PM

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Agreed, Sizzle. I am flabbergasted at the peeps here and other places that defend or tend to minimize the actions he has taken. It is quintessential that in life or at your workplace that there are rules and there are degrees of authority. It is a blatant disregard for what is right and wrong. The franchise and his teammates should hold him accountable. They are the ones he has affected.
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Posted: 7/5/2014 4:50 PM

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Before everybody was saying "Well, pot should never have been made illegal in the first place, it won't be illegal very much longer, etc." So is a DWI enough of a crime with a real victim for you now? Not only is this guy so obsessed with getting high that he can't go a few weeks despite millions of NFL dollars, now he also gets behind the wheel while drunk and puts other's lives at risk.  What, is this going to be 5th, 6th chance now?
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Posted: 7/5/2014 5:08 PM

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Not everybody. Some uniformed were trying to categorize his multiple issues as petty. It's far from petty, and I think we will all see the results soon enough.
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Posted: 7/5/2014 5:35 PM

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www.wralsportsfan.com/clevelan...leigh/13788850/

Welp, it now appears that the person who posted Gordons bond was the same guy in the middle of pj hairston issue at UNC
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Posted: 7/5/2014 8:44 PM

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Trackmaster wrote: Before everybody was saying "Well, pot should never have been made illegal in the first place, it won't be illegal very much longer, etc." So is a DWI enough of a crime with a real victim for you now? Not only is this guy so obsessed with getting high that he can't go a few weeks despite millions of NFL dollars, now he also gets behind the wheel while drunk and puts other's lives at risk.  What, is this going to be 5th, 6th chance now?
That's a little dramatic.....I can guarantee that the majority on this board have either smoked weed or driven home with a .09 BAC at some point. Quite a few on Sundays after the game. Most except for a few message board saints I'm sure rolleyes

Difference is we aren't NFL superstars under a microscope with a suspension looming. The moment he had a drink he should have known better than to drive at all that night. He knows he's a ripe target for authorities. At this point it's hard to tell if he's really this stupid or just doesn't give a ****. Maybe both.

As usual, only in Cleveland. They pretty much landed an Andre Johnson with a 2nd round supplemental, enjoyed one big season out of him, and poof it went. Just like that.
SBsteelerfan wrote: uggh no, im not dense.  according to this dui was for marijuana not alcohol.  so no, he wouldnt have been arrested if weed were legal.


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Posted: 7/6/2014 3:08 AM

Re: Josh Gordon 


The issue here is that there is no self control, no respect for authority, no understanding of his responsibilities.

Whether it was weed, alcohol, or whatever . . . he can't seem to just stop breaking rules and hurting himself and the team.

At the same time, it might really be an addiction or other type of problem.  Which begs the question of a double standard of players v. owners, coaches, etc.

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Posted: 7/6/2014 3:12 AM

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I have my suspicions that even if pot was legalized that companies and the government would still test for it for employment purposes (with the government it would be for security clearance purposes and in private industries, it's usually for very low skilled blue collar jobs).  There's still a stigma against pot in some circles irrespective of the law.  There is precedent to testing for things that aren't technically illegal.  If you take a drug test and have alcohol in your system (despite the fact that alcohol is legal to consume if you're over 21) you'll still fail the test. And, the government considers alcohol and sexual history as well as drug usage for clearance level jobs.  Drug testing is as much as a common sense and impulse control test than a true moral one.
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Posted: 7/6/2014 8:40 AM

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Let me just say this about Pot. It's not safe harmless or whatever the legalize camp wants to throw out there..

1-Pot today is more potent than the weed we had back in the 60's and 70's.  This may be the reason why the vehicle accident rate in Colorado is reportedly starting to climb rapidly especially among drivers 21 and younger

2- Long term studies now coming out indicate that marijuana smokers today could be at a bigger risk of lung disease  than cigarette smokers.
It's not a harmless activity anymore.


Josh Gordon..   The NFL will hear his plea as a part of the process before they affirm the 1 year banishment.
His past history, 2 suspensions at Baylor for failed drug tests as well as one at Utah after he transferred as well as failed tests in the NFL, and his recent act of utter stupidity seems to indicate his love for weed and partying is stronger than playing football. 

Fine Josh, you can spend the rest of your days toking, drinking and hanging with your felon buddies.
You're no longer welcome in the NFL.

So now that Roger will whack a player, Lets see if he holds a certain drug addict owner, son of a drunk, to the same standard.
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Posted: 7/6/2014 9:33 AM

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Sorry. But suspending a player for smoking marijuana in the offseason is super petty. It's legal in some states and has no effect on performance. There is no comparison to what Ray Rice did. I'm as bi of a Ravens can that there is, but it's a joke that he will be punished worse than RR.
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Posted: 7/6/2014 9:42 AM

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Let me just say this about Pot. It's not safe harmless or whatever the legalize camp wants to throw out there..

1-Pot today is more potent than the weed we had back in the 60's and 70's.  This may be the reason why the vehicle accident rate in Colorado is reportedly starting to climb rapidly especially among drivers 21 and younger

2- Long term studies now coming out indicate that marijuana smokers today could be at a bigger risk of lung disease  than cigarette smokers.
It's not a harmless activity anymore.
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1. From everything I've seen, tax money has been rolling in and crime has gone down. Even if pot is more potent its still WAY less dangerous than alcohol. Alcohol is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths a year and acts as poison in the body. It also can kill you in an overdose. Pot is responsible for 0 deaths. Ever.
2. Can you post a link to these studies? I've never heard of that.
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Posted: 7/6/2014 10:28 AM

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RavenResurrection wrote:


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--- ravmaniac wrote:

Let me just say this about Pot. It's not safe harmless or whatever the legalize camp wants to throw out there..

1-Pot today is more potent than the weed we had back in the 60's and 70's.  This may be the reason why the vehicle accident rate in Colorado is reportedly starting to climb rapidly especially among drivers 21 and younger

2- Long term studies now coming out indicate that marijuana smokers today could be at a bigger risk of lung disease  than cigarette smokers.
It's not a harmless activity anymore.
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1. From everything I've seen, tax money has been rolling in and crime has gone down. Even if pot is more potent its still WAY less dangerous than alcohol. Alcohol is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths a year and acts as poison in the body. It also can kill you in an overdose. Pot is responsible for 0 deaths. Ever.
2. Can you post a link to these studies? I've never heard of that.
Sorry about the links. I switched to firefox and can't seen figure how to copy links. Anyone who can help,  please PM.


http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-teenage-mi nd/201102/does-marijuana-cause-cancer
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/08012 3104017.htm
http://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/747982_4
http://lungcancer.about.com/od/causesoflungcance1/ f/marijuana.htm



http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25770838/more-co lorado-drivers-fatal-crashes-positive-pot-study
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/pot-fuel s-surge-drugged-driving-deaths-n22991
http://consumer.healthday.com/public-health-inform ation-30/marijuana-news-759/fatal-car-crashes-invo lving-pot-use-have-tripled-in-u-s-study-684515.htm l
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Posted: 7/6/2014 3:56 PM

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RavenResurrection wrote: Sorry. But suspending a player for smoking marijuana in the offseason is super petty. It's legal in some states and has no effect on performance. There is no comparison to what Ray Rice did. I'm as bi of a Ravens can that there is, but it's a joke that he will be punished worse than RR.
Dude...you CANNOT be serious with this statement....its sarcasm, right?

While it may be legal in some states, I still cant toke because my job requires everyone to be sober and, in fact, subject to testing, which can/will land you on the street looking for another J.O.B.

As far as no effect on performance? Maybe if you toke the night before your job, you can be alright to perform...but is that the real issue here?  Let me answer that for you........NOOOOOOO

The rules are LAID OUT !!!!!



The rules aren't in a gray color....it is laid out in black ink on white paper. It doesn't state that drugs are permissible during the off-season....it states: NO DRUGS PERIOD !!!!!

Damn, some people are thick headed ohlord

         

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Posted: 7/6/2014 5:26 PM

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RavenResurrection wrote: Sorry. But suspending a player for smoking marijuana in the offseason is super petty. It's legal in some states and has no effect on performance. There is no comparison to what Ray Rice did. I'm as bi of a Ravens can that there is, but it's a joke that he will be punished worse than RR.

So is the DWI just incidental?
Or is driving impaired still a serious issue?



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Posted: 7/6/2014 7:58 PM

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--- RavenResurrection wrote:

Sorry. But suspending a player for smoking marijuana in the offseason is super petty. It's legal in some states and has no effect on performance. There is no comparison to what Ray Rice did. I'm as bi of a Ravens can that there is, but it's a joke that he will be punished worse than RR.

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You clearly don't get it..

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Posted: 7/6/2014 11:49 PM

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21XXXV wrote:


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--- RavenResurrection wrote:

Sorry. But suspending a player for smoking marijuana in the offseason is super petty. It's legal in some states and has no effect on performance. There is no comparison to what Ray Rice did. I'm as bi of a Ravens can that there is, but it's a joke that he will be punished worse than RR.

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You clearly don't get it..
No, he doesn't.

When your employer says you cannot do X, Y or Z and if you do the penalties are A, B and C - what else do you need to know?

It's in the CBA.  His union negotiated this.  End of story.  You don't have to like it.  And if you like weed, and think it's a bad rule, OH WELL.

As for Gordon, he's a huge dumbass who just forfeited millions.  Too bad for him, there are always going to be dumbasses in the world.

 

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Posted: 7/7/2014 9:08 AM

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ravmaniac wrote:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-teenage-mi nd/201102/does-marijuana-cause-cancer
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/08012 3104017.htm
http://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/747982_4
http://lungcancer.about.com/od/causesoflungcance1/ f/marijuana.htm



http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25770838/more-co lorado-drivers-fatal-crashes-positive-pot-study
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/pot-fuel s-surge-drugged-driving-deaths-n22991
http://consumer.healthday.com/public-health-inform ation-30/marijuana-news-759/fatal-car-crashes-invo lving-pot-use-have-tripled-in-u-s-study-684515.htm l
Thanks for the links. I see that smoking weed (or smoking ANYTHING) can cause lung problems, but unlike tobacco or alcohol use, I still see no evidence that marijuana causes cancer or that its use can be deadly.
As far as the marijuana car accidents theory, all three of those articles seem to be from the same study. And all articles admit that the results are questionable as theres no proof that A. the person had smoked marijuana that day (since cannabanoids stay in the body so long) and B, even that the person who had tested positive for marijuana use in the last week was even at fault in the accident. The articles admit that the results could be a reflection of more frequent marijuana use in society. (correlation != causation)
And yes, driving while intoxicated is bad/stupid. In my defense, I'd seen and replied to this thread before I had read about Gordons latest behavior (I thought it was referencing his previous issue). Was what he did stupid? Especially considering his other off the field problems? Absolutely. Was Ray Rice's behavior way more shameful and harmful to society? I'd say absolutely. 

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Posted: 7/7/2014 9:18 AM

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Goodell should kick him out of the league. enough of this nonsense with these players. set an example, and the players union should stand down and accept it. let him earn his way back into the league.

"Got a cover of Sports Illustrated..it says the Titans are the best team in football...maybe they are...but not today" Brian Billick

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Posted: 7/7/2014 10:20 AM

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There's 2 different issues here

1) that Josh Gordon is violating the terms of his employment, and

2) that Josh Gordon is breaking the law.

Both show a lack of self control.  But lets be clear, the argument re; the legality of Marajuana has little to do with the NFL's current terms of employment.

Alcohol is legal, but I can't come to work intoxicated.  Even if Marajuana is legalized, I imagine the same would be true.

And Gordon just added a DUI  to his "resume".  Regardless of the policy implications of legal marajuana, etc.  Its clear Josh Gordon has a problem with self control.

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