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2014 Starting WILL ILB: CJ Mosely or Arthur Brown Jr?

Posted: 6/30/2014 11:36 AM

2014 Starting WILL ILB: CJ Mosely or Arthur Brown Jr? 


By all accounts, Daryl Smith has the MIKE ILB spot locked up for the 2014 season. This would be Ray Lewis's old role.

However, the WILL ILB spot is still vacant, and has been somewhat of a turnstile since Ellerbe departed in 2013.

Here are the top two candidates:


Arthur Brown Jr:

  • Rated a 90.3 by NFL.com as a prospect
  • 24 years old
  • Ravens TRADED UP into 2nd round to snag Arthur Brown Jr in the 2013 draft (Ravens almost NEVER trade up)
  • Played college ball at U of Miami and Kansas State U
  • 6 foot 1, 225-240 pounds
  • 4.68 40-yard dash, very agile too (flows sideline to sideline with ease)
  • Excels in coverage
  • Plays bigger than his size suggests
  • Excellent form tackler, not a big hitter
  • Has experience at 4-3 OLB, 4-3 MLB, 3-4 ILB, 5-2 LB
  • Knocked Adrian Peterson out in 2013
  • Suffered shoulder and groin injuries in 2013
  • Struggled to learn the playbook in 2013 well enough to start...camp reports claim that is all 100% better





CJ Mosely: 

  • 2 Time National Champion at Alabama
  • One of the highest-rated defensive players in the entire draft
  • Played the 3-4 MIKE ILB position at Alabama...3-4 WILL ILB as well when McClain/Hightower/Nico Johnson were there (he is already VERY familiar with our scheme for a rookie
  • Drafted in 2014 in Round 1 by Ravens
  • 4.67 40 yard time
  • excellent agility
  • great in coverage
  • Excellent form tackler, decent hitter



Everyone seems to believe Mosely will walk into a starting LB role day 1. However, from camp reports, Daryl Smith is the MIKE and Arthur Brown is the WILL.

Who do you guys think will start in 2014, at the weakside LB spot? 

Last edited 6/30/2014 2:00 PM by NewEraBmore

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Posted: 6/30/2014 12:33 PM

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Suggs  -  Mosely  -  Smith  -  Dumervil/Upshaw

         Ngata    -     Williams    -    Tyson/KLM




         Brown   -      Smith       -      Mosely

Suggs   -  Ngata  -  Canty/Jerrigan  -  Upshaw/McPhee



Thoughts?


Last edited 6/30/2014 12:35 PM by DeltaRaven

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Posted: 6/30/2014 12:39 PM

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I'm not sure. I wouldn't be surprised either way. But whoever gets the most reps early this season won't necessarily have the best NFL career. 

Weird analogy but this reminds me a little of Anquan Boldin (2nd round) and Larry Fitzgerald (1st round) for the Cardinals. By most accounts Boldin was much better his rookie year than Fitz. But they were a formidable pair for the Cards for a while. 

Hopefully we'll have similar success with these young LB's. I think moving to the smaller, quicker LB's will place a high value on having a stout DT's so as to keep O-line off these guys. Sort of like Goose/Adams blocking for Ray Lewis.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 12:41 PM

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I like that a lot, Delta.

If we run 4-3 looks, I would love to see Smith, Mosely and Brown all in there.

In our base 3-4, only two will start...my guess is Brown blows the staff away and takes the job he was drafted to take.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 12:50 PM

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This is going to depend on what team we are playing, and down and distance scenarios.

In coverage situations, I'd actually leave Smith off the field and go Brown and Mosley, and get your best atheletes out there in coverage.

Anything with run stopping potentially involved, Smith needs to be out there, and then whoever is freshest / hottest between our young bucks at ILB.

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Posted: 6/30/2014 1:44 PM

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The question is who will be taking on blockers and who will be mopping up, Mosely in the role of the Jack/TED linebacker seems like a good possibility.
 
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Posted: 6/30/2014 1:51 PM

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The net net is pretty much that Smith is a short duration
solution, career winding down.  Long term it is expected
to be Brown - Mosely sooner or later.



If you ain't the lead dog . . . 
           don't complain about the view . . .

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Posted: 6/30/2014 2:04 PM

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Paulie, I fully agree.

Down the road, we want to see Mosely at MIKE and Brown at WILL.

In 2014, most likely only one of these guys will see full-time action, the other will rotate in and handle some nickle coverage duties and play special teams.

Many believe the Brown and Mosely picks are redundant, just as some see the Elam-Brooks and Williams-Jernigan picks as redundant.

If nothing else, it will be a VERY VERY interesting camp battle...these two young LBs both idolize Ray Lewis and are fighting to replace him...
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Posted: 6/30/2014 2:05 PM

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Paulie1 wrote:
The net net is pretty much that Smith is a short duration
solution, career winding down.  Long term it is expected
to be Brown - Mosely sooner or later.
Except Smith just re-signed through 2017. Arthur Brown's rookie deal runs through 2016. 

I realize Smith will likely be cut before seeing the end of that contract, but it's not like he'll be gone tomorrow. Brown better start making an impression quick. Only 3 seasons left to convince the Ravens to keep him long term and Smith will be here for, at minimum, 2 of those.

Hopefully we don't have another Tavares Gooden on our hands.


Last edited 6/30/2014 2:06 PM by DeltaRaven

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Posted: 6/30/2014 2:11 PM

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I want them both on the field as much as possible. So much of what an LB does in the Modern Era NFL is cover, and have the versatile ability to go forward and reverse. These kids do both things very well. Last year was a bad year to evaluate Arthur.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 2:20 PM

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ClericBlackDave wrote:

This is going to depend on what team we are playing, and down and distance scenarios.

In coverage situations, I'd actually leave Smith off the field and go Brown and Mosley, and get your best atheletes out there in coverage.

Anything with run stopping potentially involved, Smith needs to be out there, and then whoever is freshest / hottest between our young bucks at ILB.

Smith excels in pass coverage and was average to below average against the run.


Last edited 6/30/2014 2:36 PM by DeltaRaven

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Posted: 6/30/2014 2:56 PM

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NewEraBmore wrote:

By all accounts, Daryl Smith has the MIKE ILB spot locked up for the 2014 season. This would be Ray Lewis's old role.

However, the WILL ILB spot is still vacant, and has been somewhat of a turnstile since Ellerbe departed in 2013.

Here are the top two candidates:


Arthur Brown Jr:

  • Rated a 90.3 by NFL.com as a prospect
  • 24 years old
  • Ravens TRADED UP into 2nd round to snag Arthur Brown Jr in the 2013 draft (Ravens almost NEVER trade up)
  • Played college ball at U of Miami and Kansas State U
  • 6 foot 1, 225-240 pounds
  • 4.68 40-yard dash, very agile too (flows sideline to sideline with ease)
  • Excels in coverage
  • Plays bigger than his size suggests
  • Excellent form tackler, not a big hitter
  • Has experience at 4-3 OLB, 4-3 MLB, 3-4 ILB, 5-2 LB
  • Knocked Adrian Peterson out in 2013
  • Suffered shoulder and groin injuries in 2013
  • Struggled to learn the playbook in 2013 well enough to start...camp reports claim that is all 100% better





CJ Mosely: 

  • 2 Time National Champion at Alabama
  • One of the highest-rated defensive players in the entire draft
  • Played the 3-4 MIKE ILB position at Alabama...3-4 WILL ILB as well when McClain/Hightower/Nico Johnson were there (he is already VERY familiar with our scheme for a rookie
  • Drafted in 2014 in Round 1 by Ravens
  • 4.67 40 yard time
  • excellent agility
  • great in coverage
  • Excellent form tackler, decent hitter



Everyone seems to believe Mosely will walk into a starting LB role day 1. However, from camp reports, Daryl Smith is the MIKE and Arthur Brown is the WILL.

Who do you guys think will start in 2014, at the weakside LB spot? 

But you didn't mention that we traded up in the 2nd round. In contrast, we picked Mosley in the first round. If we really wanted to see the farm to get Brown we would have just used our 1st round pick (#32) for him.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 3:38 PM

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Trackmaster wrote:
 
But you didn't mention that we traded up in the 2nd round. In contrast, we picked Mosley in the first round. If we really wanted to see the farm to get Brown we would have just used our 1st round pick (#32) for him.
The 3rd bullet....


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Posted: 6/30/2014 4:27 PM

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Trackmaster wrote:
NewEraBmore wrote:

By all accounts, Daryl Smith has the MIKE ILB spot locked up for the 2014 season. This would be Ray Lewis's old role.

However, the WILL ILB spot is still vacant, and has been somewhat of a turnstile since Ellerbe departed in 2013.

Here are the top two candidates:


Arthur Brown Jr:

  • Rated a 90.3 by NFL.com as a prospect
  • 24 years old
  • Ravens TRADED UP into 2nd round to snag Arthur Brown Jr in the 2013 draft (Ravens almost NEVER trade up)
  • Played college ball at U of Miami and Kansas State U
  • 6 foot 1, 225-240 pounds
  • 4.68 40-yard dash, very agile too (flows sideline to sideline with ease)
  • Excels in coverage
  • Plays bigger than his size suggests
  • Excellent form tackler, not a big hitter
  • Has experience at 4-3 OLB, 4-3 MLB, 3-4 ILB, 5-2 LB
  • Knocked Adrian Peterson out in 2013
  • Suffered shoulder and groin injuries in 2013
  • Struggled to learn the playbook in 2013 well enough to start...camp reports claim that is all 100% better





CJ Mosely: 

  • 2 Time National Champion at Alabama
  • One of the highest-rated defensive players in the entire draft
  • Played the 3-4 MIKE ILB position at Alabama...3-4 WILL ILB as well when McClain/Hightower/Nico Johnson were there (he is already VERY familiar with our scheme for a rookie
  • Drafted in 2014 in Round 1 by Ravens
  • 4.67 40 yard time
  • excellent agility
  • great in coverage
  • Excellent form tackler, decent hitter



Everyone seems to believe Mosely will walk into a starting LB role day 1. However, from camp reports, Daryl Smith is the MIKE and Arthur Brown is the WILL.

Who do you guys think will start in 2014, at the weakside LB spot? 

But you didn't mention that we traded up in the 2nd round. In contrast, we picked Mosley in the first round. If we really wanted to see the farm to get Brown we would have just used our 1st round pick (#32) for him.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 5:51 PM

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NewEraBmore wrote: Paulie, I fully agree.

Down the road, we want to see Mosely at MIKE and Brown at WILL.

In 2014, most likely only one of these guys will see full-time action, the other will rotate in and handle some nickle coverage duties and play special teams.

Many believe the Brown and Mosely picks are redundant, just as some see the Elam-Brooks and Williams-Jernigan picks as redundant.

If nothing else, it will be a VERY VERY interesting camp battle...these two young LBs both idolize Ray Lewis and are fighting to replace him...

Who exactly are the "some" that believe the Elam-Brooks picks or the Williams-Jernigan picks are redundant?!...

I would say to any that feel that way that they truly aren't well-versed in what a defense needs or desires in order to play effectively, or in what these players actually do.

Elam & Brooks are different players with different skillsets. Williams & Jernigan are different players with different skillsets. Both of the these duos will play different roles (Elam primarily at SS, Brooks at FS once he's up to speed; Williams as a true noseguy while Jernigan will prolly play DE and also 'attack dog interior guy' on passing-downs or rotationally).

Nothing redundant in either of those pairings of players. Only that two safeties were drafted in successive drafts and that two interior-based D-linemen were drafted in successive drafts.

I guess with that type of thinking that drafting Torrey Smith & Tandon Doss in the same draft was redundant -- or Dickson & Pitta. Or Osemele & Gino. What about Yanda & Grubbs from a ways back?

Teams have needs and draft accordingly. Nothing more than that.

C DiP
Poundin' da rock & Punishin' D wins games, period!!!
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Posted: 6/30/2014 9:12 PM

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I do not think those draft picks were redundant. Let me clarify...i mentioned that people believe that to point out that they are wrong...



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--- CDiPiranha wrote:


NewEraBmore wrote: Paulie, I fully agree.

Down the road, we want to see Mosely at MIKE and Brown at WILL.

In 2014, most likely only one of these guys will see full-time action, the other will rotate in and handle some nickle coverage duties and play special teams.

Many believe the Brown and Mosely picks are redundant, just as some see the Elam-Brooks and Williams-Jernigan picks as redundant.

If nothing else, it will be a VERY VERY interesting camp battle...these two young LBs both idolize Ray Lewis and are fighting to replace him...

Who exactly are the "some" that believe the Elam-Brooks picks or the Williams-Jernigan picks are redundant?!...

I would say to any that feel that way that they truly aren't well-versed in what a defense needs or desires in order to play effectively, or in what these players actually do.

Elam & Brooks are different players with different skillsets. Williams & Jernigan are different players with different skillsets. Both of the these duos will play different roles (Elam primarily at SS, Brooks at FS once he's up to speed; Williams as a true noseguy while Jernigan will prolly play DE and also 'attack dog interior guy' on passing-downs or rotationally).

Nothing redundant in either of those pairings of players. Only that two safeties were drafted in successive drafts and that two interior-based D-linemen were drafted in successive drafts.

I guess with that type of thinking that drafting Torrey Smith & Tandon Doss in the same draft was redundant -- or Dickson & Pitta. Or Osemele & Gino. What about Yanda & Grubbs from a ways back?

Teams have needs and draft accordingly. Nothing more than that.

C DiP

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Posted: 6/30/2014 9:47 PM

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NewEra, I never specified that you yourself were one of the "some" who believed those picks were redundant. I specifically asked who are the "some" that said what you spoke of?!

In getting back to the Brown-Mosely situation, I believe that Mosely is the better player. I think that there's room enough for all three of our interior LBs (which includes Daryl Smith) to play meaningful snaps (just as there was room for Ray, McClain & Ellerbe to play meaningful snaps just a few yrs ago). And as the youngsters acclimate it is possible that one or the other could cut noticeably into Smith's snaps as the season wears on...

if so then it would be a rather seamless transition to Mosley/Brown as a starting tandem going forward. It could occur sometime in the 2014 season, or beginning of the 2015 season or soon thereafter, but know that this is what the organization envisions to occur. And only if one of the guys disappoints does this not come to pass.

We'll see soon enough.

C DiP
Poundin' da rock & Punishin' D wins games, period!!!
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Posted: 6/30/2014 11:40 PM

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both were considered solid prospects so if it`s competitive,it`s probably because both are doing some things right...highly unlikely that both turn into pumpkins....
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Posted: 6/30/2014 11:50 PM

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CDiPiranha wrote:
NewEraBmore wrote: Paulie, I fully agree.

Down the road, we want to see Mosely at MIKE and Brown at WILL.

In 2014, most likely only one of these guys will see full-time action, the other will rotate in and handle some nickle coverage duties and play special teams.

Many believe the Brown and Mosely picks are redundant, just as some see the Elam-Brooks and Williams-Jernigan picks as redundant.

If nothing else, it will be a VERY VERY interesting camp battle...these two young LBs both idolize Ray Lewis and are fighting to replace him...

Who exactly are the "some" that believe the Elam-Brooks picks or the Williams-Jernigan picks are redundant?!...

I would say to any that feel that way that they truly aren't well-versed in what a defense needs or desires in order to play effectively, or in what these players actually do.

Elam & Brooks are different players with different skillsets. Williams & Jernigan are different players with different skillsets. Both of the these duos will play different roles (Elam primarily at SS, Brooks at FS once he's up to speed; Williams as a true noseguy while Jernigan will prolly play DE and also 'attack dog interior guy' on passing-downs or rotationally).

Nothing redundant in either of those pairings of players. Only that two safeties were drafted in successive drafts and that two interior-based D-linemen were drafted in successive drafts.

I guess with that type of thinking that drafting Torrey Smith & Tandon Doss in the same draft was redundant -- or Dickson & Pitta. Or Osemele & Gino. What about Yanda & Grubbs from a ways back?

Teams have needs and draft accordingly. Nothing more than that.

C DiP
it`seems obvious that we don`t always draft for need in the early rounds..matter of fact,that`s pretty much stated policy ...
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Posted: 7/1/2014 7:07 AM

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One thing is for certain. The Ravens know, or see what it takes to win in this league. Past two years have been pretty defensive heavy for draft.

"Got a cover of Sports Illustrated..it says the Titans are the best team in football...maybe they are...but not today" Brian Billick

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