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Ravens expected to dump punter Sam Koch

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Posted: 2/5/2014 2:48 AM

Ravens expected to dump punter Sam Koch 


Jamison Hensley reporting that the Ravens plan on dumping Kock. Saying that 22nd in net average 13th for punts inside the 20. (I bet he would have done better if he wasn't kicking out of his own endzone all the time). Says they will save 1.6mil on the cap. Looks like they need more Flaco money.
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Posted: 2/5/2014 6:05 AM

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What's with the Flacco money thing???? Yeah, then Flacco will be punting the ball as well as throwing it...i see your point now...
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Posted: 2/5/2014 6:47 AM

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I think it's less 'Flacco money' than it is Koch has been mediocre the last couple of seasons and is getting paid as a vet.  They can bring a kid in dirt cheap and get most likely at least comparable performance, if not better.
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Posted: 2/5/2014 7:48 AM

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Yeah, the whole "Flacco's cap number is tearing apart this team" narrative isn't really true for another 2 years.  Right now, his cap #'s are manageable.

If anything, the cap numbers / contracts to look at right now are Ngata, Suggs, Webb, Yanda, Rice . . . along with dead money from cut guys, and then 2nd tier contracts that are underperforming like Kock or Vontae Leach.

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Posted: 2/5/2014 8:12 AM

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ClericBlackDave wrote:

Yeah, the whole "Flacco's cap number is tearing apart this team" narrative isn't really true for another 2 years.  Right now, his cap #'s are manageable.

If anything, the cap numbers / contracts to look at right now are Ngata, Suggs, Webb, Yanda, Rice . . . along with dead money from cut guys, and then 2nd tier contracts that are underperforming like Kock or Vontae Leach.

If they dump Sam it will due to declining performance, or cap cut. Not to pay Flacco..Why do people keep using that red herring?

But Sam did just post his 3rd best career season average
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Posted: 2/5/2014 8:38 AM

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Don't you know every cut/free agent we don't sign is 100% flacco's fault.

From last year until about 3 years after he's gone.rolleyes

...and don't call me Shirley
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Posted: 2/5/2014 8:42 AM

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I understand the need for more production for the money, but I am concerned about a new holder's impact on Tucker. A good holder makes a hell of a difference.

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Posted: 2/5/2014 8:43 AM

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DiscoJamal wrote:

Don't you know every cut/free agent we don't sign is 100% flacco's fault.

From last year until about 3 years after he's gone.rolleyes


Funny thing is, Flacco's not the top paid Raven right now, and we sink more cap space in the defense than offense..

But, if people have an agenda.

so be it..
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Posted: 2/5/2014 10:16 AM

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I thought Koch was on borrowed time for two years now. His numbers weren't nearly as good as they were his first couple years. I'm sure a rookie or UDFA can mirror his production at a fraction of his cap number.
 
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Posted: 2/5/2014 10:19 AM

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in the age of the salary cap, it doesn't make alot of sense to pay for a punter

Going where I want instead of where I should

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Posted: 2/5/2014 10:30 AM

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ravmaniac wrote:
DiscoJamal wrote:

Don't you know every cut/free agent we don't sign is 100% flacco's fault.

From last year until about 3 years after he's gone.rolleyes


Funny thing is, Flacco's not the top paid Raven right now, and we sink more cap space in the defense than offense..

But, if people have an agenda.

so be it..

Sorry I can't be bothered with learning how a deal is structured or how the salary cap works

I only read headlines and assign blame

...and don't call me Shirley
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Posted: 2/5/2014 10:47 AM

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Koch went from a top 5 punter to average pretty quickly over the past few seasons.
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Posted: 2/5/2014 11:11 AM

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one800frank wrote: I thought Koch was on borrowed time for two years now. His numbers weren't nearly as good as they were his first couple years. I'm sure a rookie or UDFA can mirror his production at a fraction of his cap number.

His leg is not the issue. He still getting it downfield.  And yeah we can get a rook to mirror that. But the intangible I like about Sam is he's a former Linebacker and he has no problem getting to a return man that's has broken contain and lay a hit on him.

This comes down to cap numbers plain and simple
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Posted: 2/5/2014 11:12 AM

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ClericBlackDave wrote:

Yeah, the whole "Flacco's cap number is tearing apart this team" narrative isn't really true for another 2 years.  Right now, his cap #'s are manageable.

If anything, the cap numbers / contracts to look at right now are Ngata, Suggs, Webb, Yanda, Rice . . . along with dead money from cut guys, and then 2nd tier contracts that are underperforming like Kock or Vontae Leach.

What are you talking about?  You realize that there's a cap rollover right? Money hitting the cap now is just the same as money hitting the cap a few years from now.  I don't know about you, but I plan on being a Ravens far for years and years to come, I don't just want to go all in now and say "See you later" in two years. What your talking about is buying a Mercedes on a credit card with no money in the bank, and expecting future you to worry about it.
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Posted: 2/5/2014 11:31 AM

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Trackmaster wrote:
ClericBlackDave wrote:

Yeah, the whole "Flacco's cap number is tearing apart this team" narrative isn't really true for another 2 years.  Right now, his cap #'s are manageable.

If anything, the cap numbers / contracts to look at right now are Ngata, Suggs, Webb, Yanda, Rice . . . along with dead money from cut guys, and then 2nd tier contracts that are underperforming like Kock or Vontae Leach.

What are you talking about?  You realize that there's a cap rollover right? Money hitting the cap now is just the same as money hitting the cap a few years from now.  I don't know about you, but I plan on being a Ravens far for years and years to come, I don't just want to go all in now and say "See you later" in two years. What your talking about is buying a Mercedes on a credit card with no money in the bank, and expecting future you to worry about it.

I think you misunderstand what "cap rollover" means.  Cap money that isn't spent now rolls over to next year.  What he's talking about is managing a tiered approach to the roster (a few stars at the top, a few more solid contributors beneath, and rookies making league minimum below that).  That approach won us a Super Bowl 367 days ago.  It's also put us in the playoffs 9 out of the last 14 years.  I'm ok with that.

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Posted: 2/5/2014 11:31 AM

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ravmaniac wrote:
one800frank wrote: I thought Koch was on borrowed time for two years now. His numbers weren't nearly as good as they were his first couple years. I'm sure a rookie or UDFA can mirror his production at a fraction of his cap number.

His leg is not the issue. He still getting it downfield.  And yeah we can get a rook to mirror that. But the intangible I like about Sam is he's a former Linebacker and he has no problem getting to a return man that's has broken contain and lay a hit on him.

This comes down to cap numbers plain and simple

Rav, that is an intangible that I also reeeeeally liked about Koch. Not only was he not afraid of laying wood, he also has some pretty solid speed in getting to a broken-field play to make that saving tackle or whatever.

In the end it does come down to the cap numbers as you said.

Wish him well wherever he winds up.

C DiP
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Posted: 2/5/2014 11:40 AM

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CDiPiranha wrote:
ravmaniac wrote:
one800frank wrote: I thought Koch was on borrowed time for two years now. His numbers weren't nearly as good as they were his first couple years. I'm sure a rookie or UDFA can mirror his production at a fraction of his cap number.

His leg is not the issue. He still getting it downfield.  And yeah we can get a rook to mirror that. But the intangible I like about Sam is he's a former Linebacker and he has no problem getting to a return man that's has broken contain and lay a hit on him.

This comes down to cap numbers plain and simple

Rav, that is an intangible that I also reeeeeally liked about Koch. Not only was he not afraid of laying wood, he also has some pretty solid speed in getting to a broken-field play to make that saving tackle or whatever.

In the end it does come down to the cap numbers as you said.

Wish him well wherever he winds up.

C DiP
we shouldnt be relying on our punter to make tackles.

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Posted: 2/5/2014 11:41 AM

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cvilleRaven wrote:
Trackmaster wrote:
ClericBlackDave wrote:

Yeah, the whole "Flacco's cap number is tearing apart this team" narrative isn't really true for another 2 years.  Right now, his cap #'s are manageable.

If anything, the cap numbers / contracts to look at right now are Ngata, Suggs, Webb, Yanda, Rice . . . along with dead money from cut guys, and then 2nd tier contracts that are underperforming like Kock or Vontae Leach.

What are you talking about?  You realize that there's a cap rollover right? Money hitting the cap now is just the same as money hitting the cap a few years from now.  I don't know about you, but I plan on being a Ravens far for years and years to come, I don't just want to go all in now and say "See you later" in two years. What your talking about is buying a Mercedes on a credit card with no money in the bank, and expecting future you to worry about it.

I think you misunderstand what "cap rollover" means.  Cap money that isn't spent now rolls over to next year.  What he's talking about is managing a tiered approach to the roster (a few stars at the top, a few more solid contributors beneath, and rookies making league minimum below that).  That approach won us a Super Bowl 367 days ago.  It's also put us in the playoffs 9 out of the last 14 years.  I'm ok with that.
Couldn't agree more.  I'm not sure why several people here complain so loudly about this, it's proven to be a successful formula.
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Posted: 2/5/2014 12:13 PM

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CDiPiranha wrote:
ravmaniac wrote:
one800frank wrote: I thought Koch was on borrowed time for two years now. His numbers weren't nearly as good as they were his first couple years. I'm sure a rookie or UDFA can mirror his production at a fraction of his cap number.

His leg is not the issue. He still getting it downfield.  And yeah we can get a rook to mirror that. But the intangible I like about Sam is he's a former Linebacker and he has no problem getting to a return man that's has broken contain and lay a hit on him.

This comes down to cap numbers plain and simple

Rav, that is an intangible that I also reeeeeally liked about Koch. Not only was he not afraid of laying wood, he also has some pretty solid speed in getting to a broken-field play to make that saving tackle or whatever.

In the end it does come down to the cap numbers as you said.

Wish him well wherever he winds up.

C DiP

Yup, good guy, we're gonna miss him. Unless he takes a hometown discount!
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Posted: 2/5/2014 12:15 PM

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twazl634 wrote:
we shouldnt be relying on our punter to make tackles.

No you shouldn't. But when you do, it's nice to know your punter can run down and nail a guy instead of giving the OLE'


That's what separates Sam from the rest in IMHO
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