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Posted: 1/20/2014 7:29 PM

Richard Sherman vs. Demaryius Thomas 


I find this an interesting matchup, if in fact that is the assumed CB/WR responsibility. With the formidable weapons Peyton has, I would think Carroll will be tested on how aggressive he gets with his typically gambling nature of his LB's. In this game, the SB, I think that will change. with the way Denver uses their TE's and Welker in the slot, it will be the most interesting elements of the game. Without the high altitude or warm weather, I also feel Special Teams will be a major factor. Both in the ability to kick the ball, and further the return game, since I doubt many kickoffs will be kicked through the end zone if it's very cold.

I know one guy who is hoping for a mild and dry day..

Finally, the Bronco's didn't have to defend too many QB's like Wilson this year. Certainly in the Playoffs they played against arguably to stationary targets..

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Posted: 1/20/2014 7:53 PM

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The Seahawks are rather conventional in what they do defensively. They play mostly press-man or some variation of 3-deep zone.

To me the key is how the Seahawks handle all of the myriad of pick/rub routes that Peyton & the Broncos are gonna run. This will call all of their interior/slot backers and LBs into the mix bigtime, because there will be a whole bunch of crossing-routes run at various depths thruout. If you watch Peyton, while he still has impeccable timing and strong accuracy he doesn't throw too many 'physical' throws anymore. The deep hard "out" that he threw routinely to Marvin Harrison of years ago isn't in his repertoire now.

Richard Sherman is as tough a true press-man corner as is in this league. And when the refs let him and his d-back teammates get their hands on you a bit, it makes things even tougher. De Thomas is a strong wideout, but he isn't significantly better than some of the others that Sherman has seen in the past.

It'll be interesting how the Broncos & Peyton choose to play offense against what Seattle brings to the table. You don't reeeeally have to stop Peyton to give yourself a chance to win. What you truly have to do is throw off his timing a bit and make him a bit uncomfortable play to play. This can happen of course via providing pressure upfront but mostly it can be the way our Ravens have always done it -- that is cutting off passing lanes and varying coverage. Belichick and the Pats did this quite a bit in the AFCC gm but their problem was that NO D-BACK COULD EFFECTIVELY COVER HIS RECEIVER...

and when you have that problem, even with a solid gameplan its tough to get off the field when it matters (which is what happened to the Pats and allowed Denver to sustain looooong looooong drives).

Anywhoo, it should be a good good contest. It just is gonna take a bit of puking dealing with all of the "Peyton hoopla" that the media is trying to shove down our throats til we get to SuperBowl Sunday.

We'll see how it goes. Of course I'm rooting for the physical team to win this thing!!!

Go Hawks.

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Posted: 1/20/2014 8:00 PM

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The deficiencies of the Patriot Defense were not unilateral.

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Posted: 1/20/2014 8:00 PM

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21XXXV wrote: I find this an interesting matchup, if in fact that is the assumed CB/WR responsibility. With the formidable weapons Peyton has, I would think Carroll will be tested on how aggressive he gets with his typically gambling nature of his LB's. In this game, the SB, I think that will change. with the way Denver uses their TE's and Welker in the slot, it will be the most interesting elements of the game. Without the high altitude or warm weather, I also feel Special Teams will be a major factor. Both in the ability to kick the ball, and further the return game, since I doubt many kickoffs will be kicked through the end zone if it's very cold.

I know one guy who is hoping for a mild and dry day..

Finally, the Bronco's didn't have to defend too many QB's like Wilson this year. Certainly in the Playoffs they played against arguably to stationary targets..
I think baby T.O is in trouble covering DT and will get completely handled in this game.....
He only made one play against what he called a mediocre WR in Crabtree, so I doubt you even hear his name called unless it's for holding which he does on almost every play....He's a good player that thinks he's great, where have we seen this before ???? Next question !!  229031_rant.GIF
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Posted: 1/20/2014 8:49 PM

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21XXXV wrote: The deficiencies of the Patriot Defense were not unilateral.

21, the point I was making is that there was NO ONE in their coverage units that strongly handled the opposing wideout or executed their assignments well for most of the day, and 'specially so once Talib was injured.

The Pats got to 3rd-down quite a few times during the game defensively against the Broncos offense, put they could not cover and get off the field enough when the rubber met the road. The Pats' DBs got schooled routinely, and it was on an assortment of routes and it looked like regardless of what coverage they showed, the coverage couldn't get it done. They attempted to play atleast one safety back much of the day and keep things in front of them, but even in "squeezing down" the field they still couldn't limit Peyton from being effective in converting 1st-downs.

The Pats couldn't "take away" anything that Peyton showed them (well, other than beating them over-the-top), tried to employ a mixture of coverages/looks but in the end couldn't make stops as much as you'd like when opportunity presented itself. 

It showed good patience for Peyton & the Broncos to not press things offensively, but to take what was given (or moreso what couldn't be stopped) and methodically move the ball down the field. This sucked up time-of-possession and limited the amount of possessions Brady could get offensively on the day.

Again, alot of what the Pats attempted to do defensively was what we've done in recent times against both Peyton & Brady. That is, we're not looking to totally "shut them down" but we're trying to make it tough for them to string together plays, get in a rhythm, and of course convert 3rd-downs.

When you cannot guard your man effectively (or win at your defensive assignment) and you cannot stop the opponent from converting 1st-downs it becomes tough to stop things. 

Anywhoo, we'll see how things go in two wks.

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Posted: 1/20/2014 8:59 PM

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BigClaw wrote:
21XXXV wrote: I find this an interesting matchup, if in fact that is the assumed CB/WR responsibility. With the formidable weapons Peyton has, I would think Carroll will be tested on how aggressive he gets with his typically gambling nature of his LB's. In this game, the SB, I think that will change. with the way Denver uses their TE's and Welker in the slot, it will be the most interesting elements of the game. Without the high altitude or warm weather, I also feel Special Teams will be a major factor. Both in the ability to kick the ball, and further the return game, since I doubt many kickoffs will be kicked through the end zone if it's very cold.

I know one guy who is hoping for a mild and dry day..

Finally, the Bronco's didn't have to defend too many QB's like Wilson this year. Certainly in the Playoffs they played against arguably to stationary targets..
I think baby T.O is in trouble covering DT and will get completely handled in this game.....
He only made one play against what he called a mediocre WR in Crabtree, so I doubt you even hear his name called unless it's for holding which he does on almost every play....He's a good player that thinks he's great, where have we seen this before ???? Next question !!  229031_rant.GIF

I dunno if you noticed this but the Niners I believe only threw at Sherman two or three times THE ENTIRE DAY!!! There was a reason why sooooo many of the looks by Kaepernick within the Niner offense were directed or executed towards the defense's right (the offense's backside) or against zone coverage in the middle.

So as for Sherman making "only one play" it is indeed a significant thing when you put the entire game into context -- especially with it being the game-clinching play.

As for the SuperBowl matchup, it is entirely possible that De Thomas gets him and manhandles him. I don't believe it'll play itself out like that, but its not out of the realm of possibility.

Anywhoo, we'll see how it goes soon enough.

C DiP
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Posted: 1/21/2014 1:33 AM

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Sherman rubs people the wrong way, myself included. So I can appreciate some of the comments suggesting he will be embarrassed in the SB. But I don't think that is going to happen. On the contrary, I think the DBs on the Seahawks match up very well with the Denver receivers, much more so than the DBs from NE. So I expect the Denver passing game to have some problems, despite Peyton Manning. OTOH, though Manning is the better QB, Wilson will be going against a defensive backfield from Denver that doesn't really scare anybody. And it looks like Harvin may be back for the Seahawks. If he can stay on the field for more than a handful of plays, he can make a difference. And I think Seattle has the better running game, which will also take pressure off Wilson.

After coming up short last season, both teams probably feel they are on a mission, especially the Broncos. FWIW, my sense is that they feel embarrassed by being knocked out of the running so early last year. But I am inclined to pick the Seahawks in this one.
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Posted: 1/21/2014 1:53 AM

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Demaryius is a beast, but I think it's a good matchup for Sherman and I'd give him the slight edge.
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Posted: 1/21/2014 10:17 AM

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Sherman is a great player, but he is not the best CB in the league. Put him in another defense without those two badass safeties that Seattle has and he is average. One on one DT would kill him. I'm curious to see how the Seahawks try to defend all : of those WRs and Julius Thomas. There is just SO much firepower in this Bronco offense and it is helmed by Peyton Frickin Manning.
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Posted: 1/21/2014 10:45 AM

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dropsalotaylor wrote: Sherman is a great player, but he is not the best CB in the league. Put him in another defense without those two badass safeties that Seattle has and he is average. One on one DT would kill him. I'm curious to see how the Seahawks try to defend all : of those WRs and Julius Thomas. There is just SO much firepower in this Bronco offense and it is helmed by Peyton Frickin Manning.

You can say this with just about any CB now adays though.  So that's not saying anything.  Here is going to be the deal IMO.  The Broncos do a lot of flash.  But Seattle plays the brand of football that hits flash in the face.  All it is going to take is one big hit from Chancellor and their WR's will be looking for him the rest of the night and they will do exactly what Crabtree did when he went across the middle for that one pass, alligator arm.  If Seattle is allowed to play their brand of defense  (which I love) I think they win.
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Posted: 1/21/2014 10:59 AM

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If they let them play, advantage Sherman and Hawks Secondary. If they call by the new, two hand touch flag football rules, advantage, Denver WR's
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Posted: 1/21/2014 12:10 PM

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CDiPiranha wrote:
I dunno if you noticed this but the Niners I believe only threw at Sherman two or three times THE ENTIRE DAY!!!
Well, we're talking about Manning not Kap.  The Broncos have monster receivers for the forehead to pick from on any play other than the little guy whose wife whines to much.
 
IMO, Thomas fries Sherman..
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Posted: 1/21/2014 1:21 PM

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ravmaniac wrote:
CDiPiranha wrote:
I dunno if you noticed this but the Niners I believe only threw at Sherman two or three times THE ENTIRE DAY!!!
Well, we're talking about Manning not Kap.  The Broncos have monster receivers for the forehead to pick from on any play other than the little guy whose wife whines to much.
 
IMO, Thomas fries Sherman..

Rav, I'm not debating that Manning is a better passer than Kaepernick. I just replied to your portion of your previous take where you spoke of Sherman only making 'one play'. Being a corner and playing against a team with solid wideouts (both Crabtree & Q qualify here) and only getting action on a couple of plays is amazing in itself. That is basically "shut-down" or ol' skool PrimeTime airspace right there. Then to say that when the opponent did throw at him he made the crucial play, in my mind no matter how you feel about the guy personally that was a big-time thing.

Now, concerning the Broncos and their 'monster' receivers, they do indeed have a strong receiving group overall. I'm not debating that at all. But, that still doesn't equate to specifically De Thomas manhandling or frying Sherman in man-to-man situations.

As I stated or eluded to previously in this thread, it isn't soooo much about stopping bigtime QBs as much as it is to make them think, double-clutch, throw off their rhythm, blur their passing lanes a bit, etc. The Seahawks have done this to most folks almost all season long, legally or illegally.

It remains to be seen how this thing plays itself out on gameday. Peyton & De Thomas could indeed do a number on Sherman and the overall Seahawks' secondary -- that is a possibility. I'm not inclined to see it the way you do my friend, but either opinion is just that.

Til then my friend.

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Posted: 1/21/2014 2:02 PM

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IMO, the refs at the Conference title games didn't call PI very closely. Nor did they in last year's SB. So I'm inclined to think that is the way it will be called in NJ in a couple of weeks.
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Posted: 1/21/2014 2:51 PM

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ravmaniac wrote:
CDiPiranha wrote:
I dunno if you noticed this but the Niners I believe only threw at Sherman two or three times THE ENTIRE DAY!!!
Well, we're talking about Manning not Kap.  The Broncos have monster receivers for the forehead to pick from on any play other than the little guy whose wife whines to much.
 
IMO, Thomas fries Sherman..
We can debate this ad naseum.  You say Manning is greater than Kaep.  Sure.  But is Denver's OL better than the 49er's at pass blocking?  IF not, Manning is in trouble and he cannot escape like Kaep did on Sunday.  Anyways, my preference is for Seattle to bury these guys.  But we'll see how it plays out.

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Posted: 1/21/2014 2:53 PM

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CDiPiranha wrote:
BigClaw wrote:
21XXXV wrote: I find this an interesting matchup, if in fact that is the assumed CB/WR responsibility. With the formidable weapons Peyton has, I would think Carroll will be tested on how aggressive he gets with his typically gambling nature of his LB's. In this game, the SB, I think that will change. with the way Denver uses their TE's and Welker in the slot, it will be the most interesting elements of the game. Without the high altitude or warm weather, I also feel Special Teams will be a major factor. Both in the ability to kick the ball, and further the return game, since I doubt many kickoffs will be kicked through the end zone if it's very cold.

I know one guy who is hoping for a mild and dry day..

Finally, the Bronco's didn't have to defend too many QB's like Wilson this year. Certainly in the Playoffs they played against arguably to stationary targets..
I think baby T.O is in trouble covering DT and will get completely handled in this game.....
He only made one play against what he called a mediocre WR in Crabtree, so I doubt you even hear his name called unless it's for holding which he does on almost every play....He's a good player that thinks he's great, where have we seen this before ???? Next question !!  229031_rant.GIF

I dunno if you noticed this but the Niners I believe only threw at Sherman two or three times THE ENTIRE DAY!!! There was a reason why sooooo many of the looks by Kaepernick within the Niner offense were directed or executed towards the defense's right (the offense's backside) or against zone coverage in the middle.

So as for Sherman making "only one play" it is indeed a significant thing when you put the entire game into context -- especially with it being the game-clinching play.

As for the SuperBowl matchup, it is entirely possible that De Thomas gets him and manhandles him. I don't believe it'll play itself out like that, but its not out of the realm of possibility.

Anywhoo, we'll see how it goes soon enough.

C DiP
What CDip said. 

And something else that's interesting. People seem to bash Sherman for thinking he's the best CB in the league. But how many of you defended Flacco last year for saying he felt he was the best QB in the league? Sure, Flacco didn't scream it while standing beside Erin Andrews...but the sentiment is the same. They both believe they're the best. Are they? Probably not. But you can't defend one and say something like "well any competitive player needs to think of themselves as the best" and then bash another guy for doing the same exact thing.

Let's be fair, people.
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Posted: 1/21/2014 8:22 PM

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magnified wrote:
CDiPiranha wrote:
BigClaw wrote:
21XXXV wrote: I find this an interesting matchup, if in fact that is the assumed CB/WR responsibility. With the formidable weapons Peyton has, I would think Carroll will be tested on how aggressive he gets with his typically gambling nature of his LB's. In this game, the SB, I think that will change. with the way Denver uses their TE's and Welker in the slot, it will be the most interesting elements of the game. Without the high altitude or warm weather, I also feel Special Teams will be a major factor. Both in the ability to kick the ball, and further the return game, since I doubt many kickoffs will be kicked through the end zone if it's very cold.

I know one guy who is hoping for a mild and dry day..

Finally, the Bronco's didn't have to defend too many QB's like Wilson this year. Certainly in the Playoffs they played against arguably to stationary targets..
I think baby T.O is in trouble covering DT and will get completely handled in this game.....
He only made one play against what he called a mediocre WR in Crabtree, so I doubt you even hear his name called unless it's for holding which he does on almost every play....He's a good player that thinks he's great, where have we seen this before ???? Next question !!  229031_rant.GIF

I dunno if you noticed this but the Niners I believe only threw at Sherman two or three times THE ENTIRE DAY!!! There was a reason why sooooo many of the looks by Kaepernick within the Niner offense were directed or executed towards the defense's right (the offense's backside) or against zone coverage in the middle.

So as for Sherman making "only one play" it is indeed a significant thing when you put the entire game into context -- especially with it being the game-clinching play.

As for the SuperBowl matchup, it is entirely possible that De Thomas gets him and manhandles him. I don't believe it'll play itself out like that, but its not out of the realm of possibility.

Anywhoo, we'll see how it goes soon enough.

C DiP
What CDip said. 

And something else that's interesting. People seem to bash Sherman for thinking he's the best CB in the league. But how many of you defended Flacco last year for saying he felt he was the best QB in the league? Sure, Flacco didn't scream it while standing beside Erin Andrews...but the sentiment is the same. They both believe they're the best. Are they? Probably not. But you can't defend one and say something like "well any competitive player needs to think of themselves as the best" and then bash another guy for doing the same exact thing.

Let's be fair, people.
I'm a Flacco fan but I didn't agree with him either when he said that....I don't mind a little smack talk outta our players just don't like the self praise, and Joe didn't present it that way.....He simply answered a question and proved it for last yr at least.....But PM is clearly the best qb in football by far in my opinion, with Brady #2 and then there's the rest....
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Posted: 1/21/2014 8:40 PM

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To stay competitive the Broncos have to stop the Seahawks offense. There's no doubt in my mind that Manning will be harassed and commit mistakes. The question is whether the opponents will be able to take advantage of those when they are committed.
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Posted: 1/21/2014 8:59 PM

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what Denver does better than any team in the league is setting picks and rubs on their routes that some times are blatant offensive pass interference.( watch Decker, he has mastered it) Denver's routes will limit the pure man coverage and holding that Sherman gets away with

Denver- the masters of illegal picks and pi by their wrs
Seattle-the secondary that has mastered the art of holding
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Posted: 1/22/2014 8:25 AM

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CDiPiranha wrote:
It remains to be seen how this thing plays itself out on gameday. Peyton & De Thomas could indeed do a number on Sherman and the overall Seahawks' secondary -- that is a possibility. I'm not inclined to see it the way you do my friend, but either opinion is just that.

Til then my friend.

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