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We just aren't very good...

Posted: 10/21/2013 12:51 AM

We just aren't very good... 


This team is in trouble. We are soft. Our head coach is not the leader many here want us to believe he is. Harbs stripped this team of all of its veteran leadership and he is not able to fill the void. I don't believe he has enough knowledge to correct our flaws. Nor do I believe he makes solid in game decisions. I also am not a fan of his circle of friends. We all know the story of cam cameron well. Rosenberg and harbs are st coaches but our special teams are always a Weakness. This year Juan Castillo is the new genius who is proving himself to be incompetent.

I believe we have enough talent to make the playoffs. I don't believe we have the coaching staff to get us there. There are no true leaders in the lockerroom. No ray Lewis, Ed reed, Bernard pollard or aquan boldin to hold players accountable for poor performance. Harbs biggest ally was Ray. He was the conduit between harbs and the team. That buffer is gone. Now he has to get his own message across. I dont think the players relate to him.

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Posted: 10/21/2013 1:07 AM

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I guess when you throw in some close losses then suddenly people aren't leaders. I thought he did some good things last year. He didn't change. His team changed and some key injuries and going with young players who are struggling hurts.

I doubt we would've won last tear without Boldin, Pitta, Birk, Reed, Ray, etc. When you fill in new players that are at times overpowered then that's life in the NFL.
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Posted: 10/21/2013 1:22 AM

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Not buying it at all, a complete roster overhaul is going to have an impact on a franchise. The team should be stronger by the end of the season, then the FO can evaluate weaknesses and use the draft/free agency accordingly.
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Posted: 10/21/2013 1:43 AM

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akacrow wrote: Not buying it at all, a complete roster overhaul is going to have an impact on a franchise. The team should be stronger by the end of the season, then the FO can evaluate weaknesses and use the draft/free agency accordingly.
But the head coach is suppose to lessen the impact, especially with the amount of talent this coach has at his disposal. Asking for the offense to come out sharper at the start of games, less penalties isnt asking a whole lot. I expect risky calls to be made by coaches, they want to win.

But as ive stated, its like this guy is oblivious to his teams weakness and strengths and takes him an ENTIRE month to actually try and address the issues with ONE AREA, which is the running game. His lack of changing & adapting as issues arise is horrible to say the least, i dont care if hes been to 600 playoff appearances, his flaws have put this team in AVOIDABLE predicaments.

Took him 4 & a HALF seasons just to can one of his best friends. Rob Ryan was available during Rex Ryan's last season here, i dont know why he couldnt bring in someone like Rob Ryan to be behind Rex once he left, but could bring in a guy in over his head like Mattison???

I like Pees,hes a straightshooter, but he lacks creativity with all of the depth this defense has. With Caldwell, it looks like he wont be getting any looks as a head coach after his stint here, which is sad. Harbs is a "good" coach, but his weaknesses to bring in friends instead of the right people, his lack of adjusting to situations regarding coaches in a timely manner is suspect. Some people want to bash him for being aggressive in certain game situations, which IMO is foolish because if a coach is too timid, like a John Fox, it could also cost you the game, so in that being said, i will not fault him for.

But his willingness to bring in friends instead of the "right" people concern me. And whats concerned me is the fact that NONE of them have brought something to the table that propelled either unit to the top half of the league. And all Ozzie & Eric do on a consistent basis is bring in very good talent to compete with.
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Posted: 10/21/2013 2:11 AM

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theravenkidd wrote:

Took him 4 & a HALF seasons just to can one of his best friends. Rob Ryan was available during Rex Ryan's last season here, i dont know why he couldnt bring in someone like Rob Ryan to be behind Rex once he left, but could bring in a guy in over his head like Mattison???

Probably because Rob Ryan sucks.
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Posted: 10/21/2013 4:14 AM

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This team is in trouble. We are soft. Our head coach is not the leader many here want us to believe he is. Harbs stripped this team of all of its veteran leadership and he is not able to fill the void. I don't believe he has enough knowledge to correct our flaws. Nor do I believe he makes solid in game decisions. I also am not a fan of his circle of friends. We all know the story of cam cameron well. Rosenberg and harbs are st coaches but our special teams are always a Weakness. This year Juan Castillo is the new genius who is proving himself to be incompetent



Only the lemmings continue to say Harbs is a great coach or even good coach. That being said, I watched Gino get mauled in the run game for three hours. He's not very strong at all. We got three more wins for the season.
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Posted: 10/21/2013 8:00 AM

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if this is the case, give up now, call it a season and get a great draft pick next year
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Posted: 10/21/2013 8:09 AM

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Not buying it at all, a complete roster overhaul is going to have an impact on a franchise. The team should be stronger by the end of the season, then the FO can evaluate weaknesses and use the draft/free agency accordingly.

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Harbs overhauled the roster. He told bisciotti he needed "his guys" on the roster to win. He got rid of people who didn't see eye to eye with him. It is his responsibility to get "his guys" to perform.

Anyone can see his in game decision making is very questionable. 31 straight run plays, going for the bomb before the half with Green Bay, onside kick this weeks just to name a few.
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Posted: 10/21/2013 9:09 AM

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joeshmoe wrote:

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Not buying it at all, a complete roster overhaul is going to have an impact on a franchise. The team should be stronger by the end of the season, then the FO can evaluate weaknesses and use the draft/free agency accordingly.

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Harbs overhauled the roster. He told bisciotti he needed "his guys" on the roster to win. He got rid of people who didn't see eye to eye with him. It is his responsibility to get "his guys" to perform.

Anyone can see his in game decision making is very questionable. 31 straight run plays, going for the bomb before the half with Green Bay, onside kick this weeks just to name a few.
It isn't the guys he brought in that aren't getting it done.  It is the guys who have been here.  Yanda continuously got pushed back on running plays.  I saw Oher get pushed around a few times as well.  Gino?  The Steelers did their homework and hammered the middle of the line.

On defense, Ngata isn't holding his ground like he used to. 

It is just way too easy for people to point at Harbaugh.  The onside kick?  It was a decent gamble and if it worked people would be calling him a genius.  If you want to find the real culprits, look at the line of scrimmage and see who is winning and losing the battles.  That is where games are won and lost.  And we are losing those battles, mainly on the offensive side, every stinking week.
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Posted: 10/21/2013 9:31 AM

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Thank god your not coaching this team. The Ravens would suck if you did.
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Posted: 10/21/2013 9:40 AM

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joeshmoe wrote:

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--- akacrow wrote:

Not buying it at all, a complete roster overhaul is going to have an impact on a franchise. The team should be stronger by the end of the season, then the FO can evaluate weaknesses and use the draft/free agency accordingly.

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Harbs overhauled the roster. He told bisciotti he needed "his guys" on the roster to win. He got rid of people who didn't see eye to eye with him. It is his responsibility to get "his guys" to perform.

Anyone can see his in game decision making is very questionable. 31 straight run plays, going for the bomb before the half with Green Bay, onside kick this weeks just to name a few.
Yeah, I've never really been a big fan of onside kicks unless absolutely necessary. Even in situations that would dictate it, I like to put faith in my defense and hope for a three and out (the other teams usually get very conservative anyway in those situations).  And I would ever go for them, I wouldn't do the little dribblers, the refs never seem to give the guys a break. I'd prefer the really high ones where you hope that it's enough for a jump ball that can give you a 50% shot.
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Posted: 10/21/2013 10:30 AM

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I am more and more believing the "issue" is that we have too many players who are short in the "football smarts" department. We see stupid penalties week after week on both sides of the ball. We have a kicker who doesn't know to kick the ball at least 7 yards and not touch it for 10. We have a "who?" committing off-sides on a kick. Our offense can't get lined up to snap the ball after a time out.

Perhaps the players we let go were the "smarter" ones.

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Posted: 10/21/2013 10:40 AM

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rantnrav wrote:
joeshmoe wrote:

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--- akacrow wrote:

Not buying it at all, a complete roster overhaul is going to have an impact on a franchise. The team should be stronger by the end of the season, then the FO can evaluate weaknesses and use the draft/free agency accordingly.

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Harbs overhauled the roster. He told bisciotti he needed "his guys" on the roster to win. He got rid of people who didn't see eye to eye with him. It is his responsibility to get "his guys" to perform.

Anyone can see his in game decision making is very questionable. 31 straight run plays, going for the bomb before the half with Green Bay, onside kick this weeks just to name a few.
It isn't the guys he brought in that aren't getting it done.  It is the guys who have been here.  Yanda continuously got pushed back on running plays.  I saw Oher get pushed around a few times as well.  Gino?  The Steelers did their homework and hammered the middle of the line.

On defense, Ngata isn't holding his ground like he used to. 

It is just way too easy for people to point at Harbaugh.  The onside kick?  It was a decent gamble and if it worked people would be calling him a genius.  If you want to find the real culprits, look at the line of scrimmage and see who is winning and losing the battles.  That is where games are won and lost.  And we are losing those battles, mainly on the offensive side, every stinking week.
Ding! Ding! Ding! The guys who got the big contracts and make the big money play like they're really tired - except Suggs. Now that they won the Super Bowl the fire is out. No more are they saying "We need to beat the Steelers", "We need to beat the Patriots", "We need to Stop the Run".

I'm not one for panicing, I've been very patient with this team. I understand that a team with as much turnover we've had in personnell will need to get accostomed to eachother, but we have lost games we just shouldn't have lost. Also, with Flacco and Harbs getting the contracts they got, I expect a lot more than this.

We can only watch one game at a time and that's how I will treat it. Even so, we are not in good position to make the Playoffs. Our remaining games are extremely winable. It's up to the team - Players and Coashes to come up with great game planning and perfect execution of plays to come out winning.

I laugh at anyone who thinks we'll get a Wild Card with a 9-7 record...
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Posted: 10/21/2013 11:05 AM

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Haloti has ate too much Royal Farms chicken and knocked down too many window panes in the process. He's banged up, maybe he can get healthy. But he plays too high. Ray Rice got paid, he aint gonna be a factor because he was really just a good back behind a great offensive line. Now the line stinks, he's been exposed. That being said, we are some coaching decisions away from being 6-1. Well we would be if said jettisoned leaders were on the team to rein in their fraud of a coach with his varsity jacket! Ayyyy! 

We will not win four more games this year. They are going to mail it in, its only going to get worse.
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Posted: 10/21/2013 11:05 AM

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Simple enough. Run the ball in greater fashion, and stop with the penalties. Do those two things and it takes all the risk factor out of the decision making.

I think we're gonna start going in a new direction with our center and run game, because it's just not flowing along with the passes.
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Posted: 10/21/2013 11:41 AM

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some of the negative comments are just ridiculous. Do you guys watch the games.

WE have played like crap the last 2 weeks and still almost won both games. We are close. In fact we have lost both games we were not beaten. Which seems to be a theme with this organization. This can be fixed. O looked very deferent yesterday from a formation standpoint not sure it made any difference but it was a change. Joe moved around better but we can turn this around. I think we are close
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Posted: 10/21/2013 12:09 PM

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I do think the team is in trouble.  All I can say is it's just not our year.  There is no sense of urgency on offense at all.  Start games way too slow.  Defensively, I don't know what the issues are.  Too much hype not enough production.  You cannot tell me that the Chiefs have more talent on defense than we do.  At least on paper.  Yet they play with fire on defense.  I don't know, I'm just going to chalk it up to it isn't our year.
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Posted: 10/21/2013 12:15 PM

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TheFed wrote: some of the negative comments are just ridiculous.

Do you guys watch the games.


WE have played like crap the last 2 weeks and still almost won both games. We are close. In fact we have lost both games we were not beaten. Which seems to be a theme with this organization. This can be fixed. O looked very deferent yesterday from a formation standpoint not sure it made any difference but it was a change. Joe moved around better but we can turn this around. I think we are close
I do, and yesterday I watched us lose to a 1 - 4 team, which makes them 2 - 5 thanks to us.

I watched us lose to Buffalo too and get embarrassed by the Bronco's, who suddenly don't look as unbeatable anymore.

Any other questions???

And, as a bonus, here's a comment.

The "we lost they didn't beat us" nonsense aside, we are 3 - 4, can't run the ball, can't stop the run. That is NOT a formula for winning once the weather gets tougher. The argument over whether 9 - 7 makes the playoffs or not is moot, because the Ravens will have to go 6 - 3 from now on just to get to 9 - 7, and that doesn't look realistic, does it?

Also, I can only smile when I read all the "we can" and "if, if, if," comments.

It's like some sort of pandemic delusion caused by mass hypnosis or something. Did somebody spike the purple kool aid?
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Posted: 10/21/2013 12:16 PM

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The Chiefs have one of the best defenses in the league, and if you did not see that coming, you haven't been paying attention.

Solid nose tackle in Dontari Poe, outside backers in Hali and Houston, ilb in Derrick Johnson, shutdown corner in Flowers, arguably the best safety in the game in Berry, and another sizable corner in Sean Smith. They're legit.
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Posted: 10/21/2013 12:55 PM

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I still think much, if not most of the issues trace back to an inability to even be a bad running team. That and injuries, especially at wide receiver and along the defensive line, where I think DeAngelo Tyson is the only player not to have missed a game due to injury.

That said, the team and the coaching staff haven't done the best job of making adjustments. We did see a little bit of adjustment in yesterday's game with them using different formations and they were able to run the ball out of the shotgun 14 times for 55 yards (by my count), which looks a whole better than the typical 14 for 35 that we've seen far too often this season.

Right now, as with every bye, they've got to use it get healthy and then come out and when their first game back in Cleveland. And just go from there.
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