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Philosophy Needs To Be Changed, Not Scheme

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Posted: 10/20/2013 7:39 PM

Philosophy Needs To Be Changed, Not Scheme 


Its been utterly obvious that this offense has shifted, for reasons unknown, possibly due to poor coaching or just a lack of execution on a part of a few players. But whatever it is, its obvious that with some players strong in some areas, and weak in others (for instance, Gino is two different players in pass protection than in run blocking), a change in Philosophy needs to change.

Its time for the offense to come out passing, and using the pass to setup the run. That means running OUT of passing formations. Draws will have to be the primary way of running now, because lining up in running formations & telegraphing it (saying to defenses we are good enough to run on you, and tell you that we are and youre not going to do anything about it) just isnt effective any longer.

Its just not about schemes, but philosophy. Running can still be the primary attack of this offense, it can no longer be telegraphed like it has in the past.

i would hope the coaching staff sees this via the amount of tapes during the bye week. Not even the schemes last year will help this group, its simply a matter of disguising, no longer will play action be effective. They should simply run out of passing formations and surprising opposing defenses that way.
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Posted: 10/20/2013 7:46 PM

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Our offensive line couldn't come up to speed with Castillo's scheme, they were completely clueless. This week they played better with a limited scheme, and by better I mean half-assed vs completely blows.

The defense goes hot and cold, Haloti is injured...again, Spears is on his last legs, we are still weak up the middle on defense, and flash hot and cold depending on who is healthy on the defensive line.

If we can get healthy on the DL, and the OL can start coming on with less to think about we might be able to pull out a decent season.

If we come out and lose to the Browns after the bye, we can start talking draft.
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Posted: 10/20/2013 7:47 PM

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Who in the hell do you believe is responsible for the philosophy.......... It's one person.
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Posted: 10/20/2013 7:51 PM

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21XXXV wrote: Who in the hell do you believe is responsible for the philosophy.......... It's one person.
You wont get any opposition from me, but i think more than schemes as many have been pointing out, is the least of the issues at heart, was the point i made.

Ozzie has brought in too much talent for this team to be an average team.
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Posted: 10/20/2013 7:56 PM

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We keep losing in the trenches, 80 to 140 yards rushing, the Steelers controlled the game, our defense could not get off the field, and our OL was below average running the ball. The Steelers averaged 4.9 yards per rush attempt.
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Posted: 10/20/2013 7:56 PM

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This just in Kidd, we aren't average by anyone's standards....  At 3-4 We freaking suck, and until the gimmick head ball coach and his assistants realize that, instead of walking around with arrogance, the sooner we can remedy it. Right now, they're in denial.
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Posted: 10/20/2013 8:07 PM

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What I would like to see is no longer allowed due to the CBA.... A good solid week or so of padded practices
working on execution at position levels, over and over to get it right, and to cut down on the stupid penalties. we need hard work on blocking, tackling, catching, in game like scenarios, not just walk through practices where no one gets touched.

 Don't argue with an idiot;  people watching may not be able to tell the difference. 

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Posted: 10/20/2013 8:13 PM

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wayupnorth wrote: What I would like to see is no longer allowed due to the CBA.... A good solid week or so of padded practices
working on execution at position levels, over and over to get it right, and to cut down on the stupid penalties. we need hard work on blocking, tackling, catching, in game like scenarios, not just walk through practices where no one gets touched.
Youre really pulling for straws.

Denver, KC, these are the best teams in the AFC and yet they have the same rules to abide by, but yet, they have a better record. WHy are they successful???? IS the talent gap that wide between this team and theirs?????
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Posted: 10/20/2013 8:20 PM

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theravenkidd wrote:
wayupnorth wrote: What I would like to see is no longer allowed due to the CBA.... A good solid week or so of padded practices
working on execution at position levels, over and over to get it right, and to cut down on the stupid penalties. we need hard work on blocking, tackling, catching, in game like scenarios, not just walk through practices where no one gets touched.
Youre really pulling for straws.

Denver, KC, these are the best teams in the AFC and yet they have the same rules to abide by, but yet, they have a better record. WHy are they successful???? IS the talent gap that wide between this team and theirs?????
maybe because their players can and are executing in these areas, and ours can't right now, and therefore could use more practice in these areas.

 Don't argue with an idiot;  people watching may not be able to tell the difference. 

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Posted: 10/20/2013 8:21 PM

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wayupnorth wrote:
theravenkidd wrote:
wayupnorth wrote: What I would like to see is no longer allowed due to the CBA.... A good solid week or so of padded practices
working on execution at position levels, over and over to get it right, and to cut down on the stupid penalties. we need hard work on blocking, tackling, catching, in game like scenarios, not just walk through practices where no one gets touched.
Youre really pulling for straws.

Denver, KC, these are the best teams in the AFC and yet they have the same rules to abide by, but yet, they have a better record. WHy are they successful???? IS the talent gap that wide between this team and theirs?????
maybe because their players can and are executing in these areas, and ours can't right now, and therefore could use more practice in these areas.
Who's ultimately responsible for that???
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Posted: 10/20/2013 8:50 PM

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theravenkidd wrote:
wayupnorth wrote: What I would like to see is no longer allowed due to the CBA.... A good solid week or so of padded practices
working on execution at position levels, over and over to get it right, and to cut down on the stupid penalties. we need hard work on blocking, tackling, catching, in game like scenarios, not just walk through practices where no one gets touched.
Youre really pulling for straws.

Denver, KC, these are the best teams in the AFC and yet they have the same rules to abide by, but yet, they have a better record. WHy are they successful???? IS the talent gap that wide between this team and theirs?????
maybe because their players can and are executing in these areas, and ours can't right now, and therefore could use more practice in these areas.


It's not their players, it's player, one guy. Their defense gave up close to 50 pts in one game and won, was that because of elite tackling? Half of their oline is injured including one of the top 3 left tackles in football, but they have 't missed a beat. More so than in any other team sport (except perhaps playoff hockey) the qb is the most important position to the team. I don't think that flacco is the reason we are losing, but he is not helping, he is not making his teammates better. Manning is incredle not with his arm strength but his mental application to the game. The amount of times I have seen Joe stick with a run right into the heart of the blitz or 8 men In The box is staggering. For being his sixth year in the league, his mental development at the line of scrimmage pre snap, and his reads beyond the primary route are just not there. I mean, when was the last time he audibled to a pass from a running play?
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Posted: 10/20/2013 8:59 PM

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Comparing our players on offense to teams that are loaded is stupid. If I listed good players on Denver and had you match with Ravens players it would be sad. Plus they have a line that doesn't get bullied every week.
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Posted: 10/20/2013 9:01 PM

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Kansas City is undefeated. Who knew?
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Posted: 10/20/2013 9:03 PM

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Sure they have more playmakers on offense, but it's not as overwhelming beyond the qb spot that you might think. The difference is that Peyton can decipher where he's going with the ball pre snap, and the ball comes out faster, or they run it against weak fronts, thus making the oline look much better.
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Posted: 10/20/2013 9:09 PM

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Sure they have more playmakers on offense, but it's not as overwhelming beyond the qb spot that you might think. The difference is that Peyton can decipher where he's going with the ball pre snap, and the ball comes out faster, or they run it against weak fronts, thus making the oline look much better.

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Sure, Dickson is wonderful. Ray Rice has amazing elusiveness this year. Pitta oh yeah injured. Boldin oh yeah he's gone too. Denver has insane quality depth and to top it off they make rushing 9 yards on first down look easy. We have Gino get steamrolled consistently blowing up our line so we can't rush for one yard.
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Posted: 10/20/2013 9:22 PM

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Decker is a minor upgrade over jones/brown, welker is obv a talent we don't have, but beyond that the biggest difference is at tight end, not exactly an overwhelming difference when you consider we at least in theory should have a better rb. The big difference is that flacco is an average qb and Peyton is the best regular season qb ever.

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Posted: 10/20/2013 9:32 PM

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kosartoslaughter wrote: Kansas City is undefeated. Who knew?
Sad thing is, we have every bit the personnel to be just like Kansas City this year. Except we can't get out of our own way and Harbaugh is a very stubborn HC.
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Posted: 10/20/2013 9:37 PM

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RAVENABOUTHERAVENS wrote: Decker is a minor upgrade over jones/brown, welker is obv a talent we don't have, but beyond that the biggest difference is at tight end, not exactly an overwhelming difference when you consider we at least in theory should have a better rb. The big difference is that flacco is an average qb and Peyton is the best regular season qb ever.
I think it is really really silly that people think Decker is only slightly better then Jones/Brown.  Decker is a much better then talent on most players on offense besides Smith.  The difference isn't neccesarily jsu the QB but all the positions around it as well (eg. D.Thomas > Smith, Decker > Brown/jones, Welker > anyone but Smith, TE > our TE).
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Posted: 10/20/2013 9:40 PM

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akacrow wrote: We keep losing in the trenches, 80 to 140 yards rushing, the Steelers controlled the game, our defense could not get off the field, and our OL was below average running the ball. The Steelers averaged 4.9 yards per rush attempt.
That's pretty bad, but overall, the time of possession was 31 minutes to 28 minutes, advantage Steelers.

Our offense needs to step it up. I would rate our defense pretty average, but the TOP and overall points allowed hasn't been enough of a disparity to really pin a lot on this defense.

Believe me, we need to make some stops and tackle better, but in today's NFL, small ball usually isn't going to win. If the game is tied, there is a good chance the last possession wins it.

Gotta get those TDs and seal it early!
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Posted: 10/20/2013 9:40 PM

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The biggest difference is Denver is playing with heart and pride. They are playing like they are on a "mission from God" Our guys, with very few exceptions, look half interested at best. I dont see the fire, the swarming, the emotion, the absolute effort. Its like they expect every opponent to be in awe of their rings.

No scheme in the world will fix that....

And that my friends is why we are having such problems with inferior teams....

 

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