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Posted: 2/17/2013 1:48 PM
Alec Ogletree
Olgetree got charged with a DUI and apparently was suspended at Georgia for 4 games for violating a substance abuse policy. This could drop him in the draft (was already a middle first round guy). Would you be glad to see the Ravens take him because the talent? or This guy doesn't get it and I don't want him? We have seen players that have had problems in College and have no trouble with the Ravens (i.e. Jimmy Smith). I think it all comes down to if the Ravens really believe this kid and he comes clean about everything like Jimmy did. Opinions ?
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Posted: 2/17/2013 2:41 PM
RE: Alec Ogletree
Whatever issues Jimmy Smith had were long gone by the year he got drafted, this guy just got arrested last weekend. That's a big red flag, imo.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 3:15 PM
RE: Alec Ogletree
I personally had 2 DUIs when I was younger (in my 20s)...doesnt make me a bad person, just made me immature. And the fact that these kids are, well, kids, doesnt make them drunks or drug addicts. Hell, name me one person on this baord that hasnt drove after being at the bar or tasted the sweet leaf in their youth.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 3:43 PM
RE: Alec Ogletree
Its not about being a bad person Buck, its about resisting temptation, and at the collegiate level, its nothing compared to being a pro and having millions and having so many people on your coattails. College is one big test for scouts to grade you on, not just on the field. Thats what these kids dont see, everything you do in college is one big test.
Everyone makes mistakes, but what does it say to make the same one over and over, or heck, what does it say to not learn from others' mistakes???
 "Its like...Someone Created him on Madden." ~Jacoby on Joe~
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Posted: 2/17/2013 4:01 PM
Re: Alec Ogletree
I don't like what he did. That's not why I don't want us to draft him. While he might be athletic enough I don't think he's tough enough to play in our front seven. Also, we got burned with Kindle over perhaps the same stuff. No thanks.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 4:30 PM
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Kidd, I can understand what your saying, and I agree that handing these "kids" tons of money can be perilous to their career, much less their lives, but take a look at this list. 3-4 of these players listed below are/were AllPro and maybe a couple see the HOF. Im not gonna judge this kid because he made a mistake. Hell, my DUIs were due to partying with friends and for all we know, he was doing the same because of his impending draft into the NFL without adult supervision. The gov't has deemed kids to be responsible adults at the age of 18 when in reality, they truly dont grow up until something in their life makes them that way. Maybe this DUI will be the lightning bolt he needs? Kids dont have a "judgement clause", even in college. My guess is that almost a third dont even have the grades to pass high school (eg chris johnson doesnt impress to me that he even passed english class) much less college, so theyre not really forced to become adults, just a damn good football player. Depending on their genes and/or family upbringing has a lot of influence on who they become. Left on their own demise, they most likely will faulter, but being in a constructive group, as a professional NFL lockerroom, they tend to grow up and understand what maturity and responsibility actually is.
12/29/07: Gerome Sapp (DB): Misdemeanor assault outside bar, ironically filed by former Raven longsnapper Joe Maese. Charges were dropped after Maese refused to testify. 5/10/07: Steve McNair (QB): McNair was a passenger but the owner of a vehicle being driven by a drunk friend. 8/15/05: BJ Sams (KR/PR): DUI (for the second time in 14 months). 4/20/04: Corey Fuller (DB): Gambling and gun charges for holding a high stakes poker game at his home. 2/25/04: Jamal Lewis (RB): Federal charges of conspiracy to possess cocaine w/ the intent to distribute. 8/18/03: Chris McAlister (DB): DUI 3/9/03: Terrell Suggs (DE): Felony aggrevated assault in Phoenix (charges dropped). 9/4/01: Cornell Brown (LB): Possession of marijuana and drug paraphernalia. 6/15/01: Chris McAlister (CB): In Las Vegas' airpost, he was charged with a misdemeanor of disturbing the peace after getting into an argument with a flight attendant over seating arrangements. (Rexx's Note: Beginning to see a trend here?) 5/4/01: Leon Searcy (OL): Charged w/ domestic violence. 5/20/00: Chris MCAlister (DB): Possession of marijuana (charges dropped). (Rexx's Note: Anybody still miss him?) ...and the biggest and baddest one is..... 1/31/00: Ray Lewis (LB): Initially charged with muder, felony murder and aggrevated assault in the deaths of two men the night of the Super Bowl in Atlanta. Pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice and paid a $250,000 NFL fine.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 4:45 PM
RE: Alec Ogletree
Buck, you totally miss the point of my post. Its not about him "making" a mistake, we all do. Its simply about "learning" from them, and learning from everyone elses. A guy like Ray LEARNED from his mistake. And many of people have learned from Ray's mistake without ever having to go through them respectively. Many others that you pointed on that list didnt learn from their mistakes.
But my biggest point is, you just cant go around making mistakes because you're "young". Ignorance is no defense against the law. If you grew up with a bunch of drug dealers, and you've seen them get prosecuted and get sent to prison, its ok if you make the same "mistake", because as you alluded, its your "first time" making that mistake????
My point was life isnt just about making mistakes, but learning from everyone elses, and everything we deal with in society as a whole, is a "test". The tests these kids go through in college is nothing compared to the tests & temptations theyll come across as millionaires.
 "Its like...Someone Created him on Madden." ~Jacoby on Joe~
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Posted: 2/17/2013 4:51 PM
RE: Alec Ogletree
After the Sergio Kindle "incidents" I think the Ravens will be real reluctant to take a chance on a checkered past, especially a recent one.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 5:30 PM
Re: Alec Ogletree
Good call on the Sergio Kindle red flag.....
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Posted: 2/17/2013 8:14 PM
Re: Alec Ogletree
IF the Ravens keep the 32nd pick and the talent is graded out in such a way that Ogletree is the highest on the board, then I'm all for it. Even more so if that scenario happens in the second round.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 8:30 PM
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Is there anyone that we are really targeting at 32 that we cant get at #40 plus additional picks?? I wouldnt mind trading down again (seems like an every year thing with us) & getting some mid round picks.
 "Its like...Someone Created him on Madden." ~Jacoby on Joe~
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Posted: 2/17/2013 9:03 PM
RE: Alec Ogletree
Ogletree will be drafted earlier than #32. Huge boom-or-bust player. Built like Shawn Taylor and runs in the 4.4 range. Plays 3-4 ILB in college but projects better to Tampa-2 weak side OLB by all accounts, being that he is a former safety (plays like Pollard)
Arthur Brown (Kansas State-transferred from Miami) is perhaps perfect @ 32. Physical makeup of a Tampa-2 weak side OLB but plays much better as a MLB/ILB. If he can bulk up and prove he can shed blocks, he is ideal to man the weak side ILB spot next to (Ellerbe) and excels in pass coverage. Elite instincts and physical makeup, knocked for being 6 foot and 230 pounds. See Lavonte David for an ideal player comparison.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 9:22 PM
RE: Alec Ogletree
If Ellerbe is resigned, Josh Bynes will be laying next to him.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 9:59 PM
RE: Alec Ogletree
21XXXV wrote: If Ellerbe is resigned, Josh Bynes will be laying next to him. If Ellerbe is resigned we are still taking an ILB probably in the first two picks and there is no given Bynes will be starting.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 10:33 AM
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This is an interesting situation. IF we retain Ellerbe, he may be the perfect mentor for Ogletree. They are both Georgia Bulldogs. Ellerbe's been through some immaturity himself, nothing off the field though.
The problem is he had the theft incident in 2010, multiple failed drug tests, and now this DUI right before the Combine.
Immaturity is one thing. He's had several incidents, and DOESN'T LEARN. And he costs himself probably several million dollars by yet another stupid mistake. He may be immature, he also may have a problem beyond stupidity.
He's Bengal material. Let them have him. With him and Burfict, wow, what a volatile mix, and what exceptional talents too. It would make great theater, waiting for the ship to crash.
It's interesting that 2 players that are 1st round talents at one of our position's of need have off the field incidents right before the Combine and the stock of both will undoubtedly drop.
It might be tempting to us in here, but even if available at #32, I doubt the Ravens bite on either MLB.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 10:52 AM
Re: Alec Ogletree
kids make mistakes, but you wanna see them LEARN from it...
"Got a cover of Sports Illustrated..it says the Titans are the best team in football...maybe they are...but not today" Brian Billick
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Posted: 2/18/2013 11:56 AM
RE: Alec Ogletree
21XXXV wrote: If Ellerbe is resigned, Josh Bynes will be laying next to him. Hope Bynes gets a fair shake as well.
 "Its like...Someone Created him on Madden." ~Jacoby on Joe~
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Posted: 2/18/2013 12:17 PM
RE: Alec Ogletree
NewEraBmore wrote: Ogletree will be drafted earlier than #32. Huge boom-or-bust player. Built like Shawn Taylor and runs in the 4.4 range. Plays 3-4 ILB in college but projects better to Tampa-2 weak side OLB by all accounts, being that he is a former safety (plays like Pollard)
Arthur Brown (Kansas State-transferred from Miami) is perhaps perfect @ 32. Physical makeup of a Tampa-2 weak side OLB but plays much better as a MLB/ILB. If he can bulk up and prove he can shed blocks, he is ideal to man the weak side ILB spot next to (Ellerbe) and excels in pass coverage. Elite instincts and physical makeup, knocked for being 6 foot and 230 pounds. See Lavonte David for an ideal player comparison. I would love Ogletree at 32, but I also really love what I've seen from Brown, and he can be had later.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 12:26 PM
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Yep. But keep in mind, NFL.com ranked Arthur Brown the #1 LB with a 92.0 grade or something. In comparison, Upshaw was graded a 88.0 last year (extremely pro-ready day-1 starter)
I'm all for taking a shot at either or these bros @32.
Arthur Brown appears to be the better LB with instincts and skills, were Ogletree dominates with speed/agility/big hits/long arms.
I say Arthur Brown @32 personally.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 12:28 PM
RE: Alec Ogletree
People keep bringing up speed with Ogletree, but when I watch Brown he is flying all over the place.
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