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Posted: 1/12/2013 3:54 PM

Kruger fired agents this week...wants $8-9 Million per year 


Just reported on the CBS pregame show by Jason LaCanfora.

Zero chance we give him that kind of contract.

Via con Dios, Paul.
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Posted: 1/12/2013 4:01 PM

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You want tha money paul, dominate today.
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Posted: 1/12/2013 4:02 PM

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I'm glad he spent the week focusing solely on the Broncos.

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Posted: 1/12/2013 5:09 PM

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So far the answer would be no!
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Posted: 1/12/2013 5:09 PM

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He's done here............
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Posted: 1/12/2013 5:11 PM

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Yep. Don't let the door hit you....

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Posted: 1/12/2013 5:47 PM

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Good Luck Sir in Cleveland
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Posted: 1/12/2013 6:12 PM

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Uhm, we'll be paying Flacco after this performance!
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Posted: 1/12/2013 6:14 PM

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Hello 4th round comp pick in the 2014 draft
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Posted: 1/12/2013 6:39 PM

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He will be signed for 4.5-7million a year...in Baltimore.
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Posted: 1/12/2013 7:43 PM

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Good luck with that Paul.
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Posted: 1/13/2013 12:15 AM

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Kruger said that Denver should've stuck with Tebow. 

Oh my......lol
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Posted: 1/13/2013 12:15 AM

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Maybe Paul will make his money next week or in the super bowl.
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Posted: 1/13/2013 12:21 AM

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ozzy makes great personnel decisions... if he doesn't stay here it's because he wasn't worth his asking price
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Posted: 1/13/2013 12:28 AM

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grugnur wrote: ozzy makes great personnel decisions... if he doesn't stay here it's because he wasn't worth his asking price
If Kruger walks then we just flushed a 2nd round pick down the drain. We develop the guy for 4 years and we get practically half a season out of him....dumb.


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Posted: 1/13/2013 12:45 AM

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DeltaRaven wrote:
grugnur wrote: ozzy makes great personnel decisions... if he doesn't stay here it's because he wasn't worth his asking price
If Kruger walks then we just flushed a 2nd round pick down the drain. We develop the guy for 4 years and we get practically half a season out of him....dumb.
Happens all the time to teams that regularly draft well. Smart
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Posted: 1/13/2013 12:53 AM

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DeltaRaven wrote:
grugnur wrote: ozzy makes great personnel decisions... if he doesn't stay here it's because he wasn't worth his asking price
If Kruger walks then we just flushed a 2nd round pick down the drain. We develop the guy for 4 years and we get practically half a season out of him....dumb.
Yea, but they shouldn't tried to make him put on weight and convert him a couple of years ago.
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Posted: 1/13/2013 12:58 AM

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He's making himself lots of money the way he's been playing.  I hope he plays great for 2 more games.
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Posted: 1/13/2013 1:01 AM

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Hey, if he can continue to perform as he has recently and develop then he could be near that. In today's market that prob what he can command.
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Posted: 1/13/2013 1:06 AM

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Kruger is a monster
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Posted: 1/13/2013 8:42 AM

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this team needs a cap guru in the office...flacco should have been done 2 years ago,joe needs to do a cap friendly deal or we may lose some players

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Posted: 1/13/2013 8:50 AM

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braven98 wrote: this team needs a cap guru in the office...flacco should have been done 2 years ago,joe needs to do a cap friendly deal or we may lose some players

Jeez here we go again.  "Flacco is not the answer".."We should have paid him long ago" etc.

"Kruger is a bust".."We should have paid him long ago"

Hindsight is 20/20.

They tried to lock Joe up before this season began for a better deal.  He and his agent gambled and were losing big until the last few games but the point of the exercise was to make Flacco earn what we paid him and prove he IS an elite quarterback.  He did.  So pay em.  Hard to find an elite QB.

Kruger has had half of one good season.  He is more replaceable than Joe but still the guy was being labled a bust as little as a few weeks ago.
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Posted: 1/13/2013 9:22 AM

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Hindsight isnt 20/20, because many on here have been clamoring for certain ploayers to be paid early IF they are in your long term plans, if they are not, reap the benefits early and trade them instead of milking them. Its really not a hard concept to grasp. You dont buy a stock high and sell it low, its the other way around, and our F.O doesnt quite understand this concept because if they did, we would get ALOT of regular/non-comp picks that would give us alot of flexibility going into the draft. They had better get Joe done before the FA period starts so they can tag Kruger and trade him for a high round pick, or sign him long term (if his asking price is sufficient).

I just dont understand the mindset of some fans, i mean really. Im assuming many of you have automobiles???? Would you run your car into the ground before getting another one??? Or would you trade it in or sell it prior to getting a new vehicle?? Because our F.O tends to do the former, regarding our UFA's or RFA's
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Posted: 1/13/2013 9:32 AM

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But Kidd, in the case of Joe they tried to pay him less and Kruger really did not do much until Suggs came back.  Kruger was invisible until the very recent past.  Hard to say in the case of those two that failure to lock up is valid. 

We've let some good lineman go because of what you're talking about though.  Jason Brown.  Grubbs.

We must be doing something right though.  We've been to the playoffs 5 years in a row and the AFC championship game in three of those.

That's pretty impressive.

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Posted: 1/13/2013 9:40 AM

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and who knew that kruger was going to come on this late in the year... that said if somebody wants to break the bank for a guy who put up half a season then we may get out-bid
DeltaRaven wrote:
grugnur wrote: ozzy makes great personnel decisions... if he doesn't stay here it's because he wasn't worth his asking price
If Kruger walks then we just flushed a 2nd round pick down the drain. We develop the guy for 4 years and we get practically half a season out of him....dumb.
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Posted: 1/13/2013 9:41 AM

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Has nothing to do with being in the playoffs, we're simply talking about personnel. Imagine having those non-comp picks, imagine how we couldve absorbed the unproductive players like Sergio or Cody, simply had we traded grubbs and Jason instead. To spend a 1st on Grubbs, and to get a comp pick in return was a LOSS, however you want "sugercoat" it. If Grubbs was a stock, and on a 1040 form he would be claimed as a "capital loss". We received insufficient returns on what we spent on him. I dont mind losing players, yes that happens, but the great F.O's know how to strike when the iron is hot regarding a player. Our F.O is in the lower tier of Front Offices in that regard, and that has NOTHING to do with the success of the team on the field.
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Posted: 1/13/2013 9:54 AM

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This isn't Madden.  In real life, you don't just trade players before their contract year. Signing your own star to deal that overpays him is as dangerous as signing a big ticket free agent for too much money.  The point of the draft is to get value out of players in their early for a low price, signing them to long term deals to keep them on your team for their career is icing on the cake if it works out.

Since you brought up the stock market example.  Being able to predict that somebody's "stock" is high, and trading him before he busts is like trying to predict winners and losers of individual stocks in the stock market (without insider information) verses using index funds.  Sure, it would have been great to take all of your money out before 2008, but if you had that information, you would be in prison right now.
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Posted: 1/13/2013 10:02 AM

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Thanks for the 6 good games in your 4 year career here Paul.  Enjoy being a Brown or a Ram.
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Posted: 1/13/2013 10:07 AM

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theravenkidd wrote: Hindsight isnt 20/20, because many on here have been clamoring for certain ploayers to be paid early IF they are in your long term plans, if they are not, reap the benefits early and trade them instead of milking them. Its really not a hard concept to grasp. You dont buy a stock high and sell it low, its the other way around, and our F.O doesnt quite understand this concept because if they did, we would get ALOT of regular/non-comp picks that would give us alot of flexibility going into the draft. They had better get Joe done before the FA period starts so they can tag Kruger and trade him for a high round pick, or sign him long term (if his asking price is sufficient).

I just dont understand the mindset of some fans, i mean really. Im assuming many of you have automobiles???? Would you run your car into the ground before getting another one??? Or would you trade it in or sell it prior to getting a new vehicle?? Because our F.O tends to do the former, regarding our UFA's or RFA's
yep when Joe Banner was with philly 20 yrs they were never in cap trouble.why? you back load the deal pay them before they are superstars..watch now how cleveland in a yr ot to will alway be below the cap. next year if pierce has anoth decent year give him an ext of 5 yrs..with the bulk money year 4-5.

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Posted: 1/13/2013 10:13 AM

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theravenkidd wrote: Hindsight isnt 20/20, because many on here have been clamoring for certain ploayers to be paid early IF they are in your long term plans, if they are not, reap the benefits early and trade them instead of milking them. Its really not a hard concept to grasp. You dont buy a stock high and sell it low, its the other way around, and our F.O doesnt quite understand this concept because if they did, we would get ALOT of regular/non-comp picks that would give us alot of flexibility going into the draft. They had better get Joe done before the FA period starts so they can tag Kruger and trade him for a high round pick, or sign him long term (if his asking price is sufficient).

I just dont understand the mindset of some fans, i mean really. Im assuming many of you have automobiles???? Would you run your car into the ground before getting another one??? Or would you trade it in or sell it prior to getting a new vehicle?? Because our F.O tends to do the former, regarding our UFA's or RFA's
Running your car into the ground once its paid off is without a doubt the best financial decision you can make.
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Posted: 1/13/2013 10:34 AM

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Okay.  Keeping the thread on this tack but making an attempt to get back to the main point of the topic:

What should they have done differently with Kruger considering he way underperformed based on his draft selection until recently?
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Posted: 1/13/2013 10:40 AM

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Mohara wrote: Okay.  Keeping the thread on this tack but making an attempt to get back to the main point of the topic:

What should they have done differently with Kruger considering he way underperformed based on his draft selection until recently?
I think the only mistake they made with Kruger was trying to make him bulk up and switch positions.  Who knows, maybe he would've played like this for the last year and half instead of just the last half of this season.
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Posted: 1/13/2013 10:40 AM

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naca72 wrote: Just reported on the CBS pregame show by Jason LaCanfora.

Zero chance we give him that kind of contract.

Via con Dios, Paul.

who did he go with? Players can't do contracts without representation..
 Might be kinda dumb to can your agent now..
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Posted: 1/13/2013 10:48 AM

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Isnt this the first year that he has played alot of snaps. I could be wrong but I dont think he was giving much of a chance to do anything until this year.
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Posted: 1/14/2013 6:41 AM

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RchmondRvnsFan wrote:
theravenkidd wrote: Hindsight isnt 20/20, because many on here have been clamoring for certain ploayers to be paid early IF they are in your long term plans, if they are not, reap the benefits early and trade them instead of milking them. Its really not a hard concept to grasp. You dont buy a stock high and sell it low, its the other way around, and our F.O doesnt quite understand this concept because if they did, we would get ALOT of regular/non-comp picks that would give us alot of flexibility going into the draft. They had better get Joe done before the FA period starts so they can tag Kruger and trade him for a high round pick, or sign him long term (if his asking price is sufficient).

I just dont understand the mindset of some fans, i mean really. Im assuming many of you have automobiles???? Would you run your car into the ground before getting another one??? Or would you trade it in or sell it prior to getting a new vehicle?? Because our F.O tends to do the former, regarding our UFA's or RFA's
Running your car into the ground once its paid off is without a doubt the best financial decision you can make.
That is exactly what I do also.  Those years where you have it paid off yet you still have it running are gold.  That is where you get all the bang for the buck.  If you keep trading in then you never reach the point where you are driving for free (or at least for the price of gas and insurance).  Sooner or later you get into those years where it starts costing you a lot of money on repairs and you aren't sure you can depend on it to not break down.

Anyway, kind of same analogy with players.  If you trade them or let them go too soon, then you don't have those golden years out of them where you can still afford them and they are at the point where they can contribute mightily toward a playoff run.

If Kruger helps us win the Superbowl and then moves on, I'd consider it a success that we groomed him and paid him for this moment.  If he does become too expensive and moves on, there will be another Kruger that comes down the road and someone else can overpay for a situational player who wound up with middle of the tier sacks.

The guy contributed greatly this year, but don't be fooled into thinking this chevy is a cadillac.
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Posted: 1/14/2013 8:02 AM

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raven6575 wrote: Isnt this the first year that he has played alot of snaps. I could be wrong but I dont think he was giving much of a chance to do anything until this year.

he was stuck behind JJ after they tried to make him a DE..  They Let JJ walk because they didn't want to pay a big contract, and from all accounts his season in San Diego was pretty quiet compared to his last few years in Baltimore.. 

Another point to consider.. Kruger is 27 and healthy. Suggs is 31 and coming off an achilles injury.  Suggs is struggling since coming back and the Ravens need to evaluate what his contributions will be over the next 2-3 years..  If they want to let Kruger walk due to contract numbers, thats fine. But they better have a plan to replace him this year and Suggs in the very near future.
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Posted: 1/14/2013 8:36 AM

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theravenkidd wrote: Hindsight isnt 20/20, because many on here have been clamoring for certain ploayers to be paid early IF they are in your long term plans, if they are not, reap the benefits early and trade them instead of milking them. Its really not a hard concept to grasp. You dont buy a stock high and sell it low, its the other way around, and our F.O doesnt quite understand this concept because if they did, we would get ALOT of regular/non-comp picks that would give us alot of flexibility going into the draft. They had better get Joe done before the FA period starts so they can tag Kruger and trade him for a high round pick, or sign him long term (if his asking price is sufficient).

I just dont understand the mindset of some fans, i mean really. Im assuming many of you have automobiles???? Would you run your car into the ground before getting another one??? Or would you trade it in or sell it prior to getting a new vehicle?? Because our F.O tends to do the former, regarding our UFA's or RFA's
yep when Joe Banner was with philly 20 yrs they were never in cap trouble.why? you back load the deal pay them before they are superstars..watch now how cleveland in a yr ot to will alway be below the cap. next year if pierce has anoth decent year give him an ext of 5 yrs..with the bulk money year 4-5.
Braven, you continually bring up this situation, yet there are things that have to be in place BEFORE you can start to extend youngsters to higher-priced deals when they're still on rookie contracts....

you have to have the extra available capspace in order to make it happen!!!!

and this ballclub has always been relatively tight against the cap each yr -- which forces them to put out current more pressing fires each offseason with their available resources and allow other things to be on the back-burner.

you have to have available cap room to extend guys still making "rookie money". In other words it costs more money to extend a guy early than it does to let him play out his rookie deal -- and because of our perennial cap restraints that's how we have to play it (let most youngsters play out their rookie deals).

Now, since you brought Philly up in your scenario -- when we here in Baltimore become comfortable pushing high-dollar guys like Suggs or Ngata off the roster when they still have game, simply because they've hit 30 or have already played at their peak. When we would've pushed Ed Reed or Anquan Boldin off the roster a while ago because they're old and making money. When Heap or Mase or McGahee would've been gone a yr or two before they actually departed in reality...

when our organization starts handling higher-priced vets like that (which is the way Philly mostly handled guys in the past)...

THEN (and only then) you'll always have the cap room to do what you're always bringing up and speaking about!

Here in Baltimore we keep our proven strong players here much of the time when its feasible, and that costs us. You simply have to have free cap rm in order to do things the way you're speaking of on a regular basis -- and that's not the way things have been here.

Two entirely different situations my friend.

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Posted: 1/14/2013 8:48 AM

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Ravens Defense has fallen down so far as to become the weakest link. Unbelievable that some fans want to dump our best defensive player in favor of the draft crapshoot. Anyone recall how bad our Defense was in the 1996-1997 seasons? To keep good player, Ozzie will have to pay. Cap savings can be derived by signing Flacco to mult-year deal, Ray Lewis' retirement, and/or reworking another contract.
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Posted: 1/14/2013 8:53 AM

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theravenkidd wrote: Has nothing to do with being in the playoffs, we're simply talking about personnel. Imagine having those non-comp picks, imagine how we couldve absorbed the unproductive players like Sergio or Cody, simply had we traded grubbs and Jason instead. To spend a 1st on Grubbs, and to get a comp pick in return was a LOSS, however you want "sugercoat" it. If Grubbs was a stock, and on a 1040 form he would be claimed as a "capital loss". We received insufficient returns on what we spent on him. I dont mind losing players, yes that happens, but the great F.O's know how to strike when the iron is hot regarding a player. Our F.O is in the lower tier of Front Offices in that regard, and that has NOTHING to do with the success of the team on the field.
I'd have to respectfully disagree with you.

Flacco and his agent were looking for money well in excess of what he was producing.  They were negotiating based on his road playoff wins, the ravens making the playoffs 4 straight years and Flacco's potential to be an elite QB. 

That's a problem in so many ways:
1 - many of those road wins were actually won because of strong D (forcing TOs) and solid running
2 - the ravens D was strong enough and at a point where an average QB would've been enough to match that record (4 straight years of playoffs)
3 - never pay someone based on potential in the NFL; it's how you get stuck in cap hell.  the league knew flacco had a big arm (one of the best in the NFL) but there were plenty of quetsions about his ability to lead the team
4 - Flacco's growth had stagnated (this is very alarming, especially when claims of being elite aren't being supported by raw stats)

For most of the season, things were playing out exactly as many expected where Flacco was proving to not being elite.  Now that Caldwell has been put in place, it's looking more and more like Cameron was the reason for Flacco's lack of growth...and it can't be overlooked that the line has been playing much better since. 

Now, if the Ravens' line is solidified and Caldwell is the OC then Flacco is worth what he's asking and it won't be a matter of overpaying or being able a missed opportunity to lock someone up.

As for Grubbs...it is what it is.  This is the NFL, not the NBA or Madden where you can easily trade someone or do Sign-And-Trades.  Signing Grubbs to an extenstion or what he was looking for would've hurt the Ravens' ability to re-sign Rice/Flacco and others needed for depth.

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Posted: 1/14/2013 9:15 AM

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Ellerby much more important to sign .. He is turning in an all pro type of player
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