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Is Harrison a scumbag or just an idiot?

Posted: 12/21/2012 10:02 AM

Is Harrison a scumbag or just an idiot? 


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Posted: 12/21/2012 10:14 AM

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both...    maybe he should try a textbook tackle for a change. Lower your pads into the guys gut
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Posted: 12/21/2012 10:29 AM

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No he's right. Instead of just letting these cats play and sign a waiver, they have taken like 300k from him. I'd take out knees too....
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Posted: 12/21/2012 10:39 AM

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SpankyJohnson wrote: No he's right. Instead of just letting these cats play and sign a waiver, they have taken like 300k from him. I'd take out knees too....

what if it was Ray Rice or Torrey Smith he hit?
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Posted: 12/21/2012 10:42 AM

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As much of an idiot he is, Harrison does bring up a good point. We've had a couple of instances this season where players from our own team have tried to aim low for a tackle in order to avoid a helmet to helmet collision only to have an offensive player get low, resulting on a fine for our defensive player. The offensive players are not held accountable for their deeds.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 10:43 AM

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Harrison may be both, but not on this subject...Tackling the lower body has always been a part of the game...Just like OL blocking the "knees", ring a bell...

For gosh sakes it's the AFC North, if offensive players don't want to be tackled low, or Casey Hampton doesn't like getting cracked in the knees by an OL then get the **** out...
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Posted: 12/21/2012 10:47 AM

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C-All of the above.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 10:48 AM

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steeldeal wrote: Harrison may be both, but not on this subject...Tackling the lower body has always been a part of the game...Just like OL blocking the "knees", ring a bell...

For gosh sakes it's the AFC North, if offensive players don't want to be tackled low, or Casey Hampton doesn't like getting cracked in the knees by an OL then get the **** out...
this is about a thug player getting pissed he can't hurt another player by head hunting, now trying to hurt them taking out their knees..
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Posted: 12/21/2012 10:54 AM

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I actually like it.

a lot.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 10:56 AM

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I think he is right.. you cannot tackle anywhere high anymore.. the next place to go is low.  not his fault, he is playing by the rules
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Posted: 12/21/2012 11:06 AM

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flaccoisthefuture wrote: I think he is right.. you cannot tackle anywhere high anymore.. the next place to go is low.  not his fault, he is playing by the rules

Why is he right?  There is plenty of space between the shoulders and the waist to make a tackle.  That's how I was taught.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 11:16 AM

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I think many of you have missed the point about where he says hitting the guy in the knee is more life threatening than plowing him over on the head.  And then pretty much saying that is his intent.  Argue all you want about whether or not head shots should be legal, but what he is saying and how he is saying it is just wrong.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 11:21 AM

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rantnrav wrote: , but what he is saying and how he is saying it is just wrong.

Well that may be true...But as someone who reads and has read tons of his quotes, it's not hard to figure out that he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed...
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Posted: 12/21/2012 11:24 AM

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he is making the NFL look like a joke is exactly what he is doing.

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Posted: 12/21/2012 11:26 AM

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a defender not being allowed to hit with freedom in the nfl is like a boxer not allowed to punch someone in the face.

its part of the sport. if goodell is saying you cant go high, but theres no rules about going low (except on the qb), then james harrison & every other defender can tackle as he damn well pleases.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 11:31 AM

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twazl634 wrote: he is making the NFL look like a joke is exactly what he is doing.
Very good statement...Following him and reading alot of his quotes I would definitely not be surprised if a part of him isn't trying to prove as many if not more people can get hurt low as high...And in his mind"he's gonna prove it"...
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Posted: 12/21/2012 11:44 AM

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ravmaniac wrote:
SpankyJohnson wrote: No he's right. Instead of just letting these cats play and sign a waiver, they have taken like 300k from him. I'd take out knees too....

what if it was Ray Rice or Torrey Smith he hit?
Who he hits isn't relevant. As a defender he has a point, if he doesn't adapt to the rules he's going to be continuously targeted for flags and fines.


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Posted: 12/21/2012 11:52 AM

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I don't have a problem with what he said.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 11:56 AM

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You can hit someone anywhere above the knee and below the neck and avoid hurting them AND avoid getting a fine.


Harrison is just being a dirtbag.

And the people type that you like what he's saying - if you're real with yourself you know you just want this to be a bloodsport then.

There is NOTHING wrong or hard about tackling with proper technique - face up - hit into the torso and wrap up, and dump the guy to the ground.   None of that should require targetting knees or heads.

The problem is, the culture rewarded big hits, and we know some teams like the Saints are rewarding injury.  Thats why the bountygate was stressed so hard.

Harrison is a dirtbag, plain and simple.  I have never seen Ray need to purposed go low or high on a hit.  He plays the game like its meant to be played - hard, fast, fundamentally sound, and whenever at all possible, clean.

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Posted: 12/21/2012 11:57 AM

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steeldeal wrote:
twazl634 wrote: he is making the NFL look like a joke is exactly what he is doing.
Very good statement...Following him and reading alot of his quotes I would definitely not be surprised if a part of him isn't trying to prove as many if not more people can get hurt low as high...And in his mind"he's gonna prove it"...
Which is why I said he is a scumbag.  It would be one thing to say something like, "I really believe hitting someone low in the knees can cause a lot of health issues but the NFL has made that more likely", it is a totally different thing to say he is aiming for the knees and will hurt other players just for spite and too bad.

I hope the NFL makes another example out of him.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 12:01 PM

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ClericBlackDave wrote:

You can hit someone anywhere above the knee and below the neck and avoid hurting them AND avoid getting a fine.


Harrison is just being a dirtbag.

And the people type that you like what he's saying - if you're real with yourself you know you just want this to be a bloodsport then.

There is NOTHING wrong or hard about tackling with proper technique - face up - hit into the torso and wrap up, and dump the guy to the ground.   None of that should require targetting knees or heads.

The problem is, the culture rewarded big hits, and we know some teams like the Saints are rewarding injury.  Thats why the bountygate was stressed so hard.

Harrison is a dirtbag, plain and simple.  I have never seen Ray need to purposed go low or high on a hit.  He plays the game like its meant to be played - hard, fast, fundamentally sound, and whenever at all possible, clean.

Very well said.  Just play the game the right way.  Play hard, hit hard, but without intent to injur the opponent.  It is very easy to read between the lines with Harrison.  He is saying he should be allowed to hit the opponenet as hard as he can right in the head with his helmet.  And if they tell him he can't, well, he will show them.  He'll try his best to break some knees.

Man, I really look forward to the day he gets taken out on a stretcher himself.  The day I'm not looking forward to is the day I hear that he, or someone else he gave a headshot to has killed a wife or one of his kids before putting a gun to his own head as he goes mad.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 12:08 PM

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rantnrav wrote:
ClericBlackDave wrote:

You can hit someone anywhere above the knee and below the neck and avoid hurting them AND avoid getting a fine.


Harrison is just being a dirtbag.

And the people type that you like what he's saying - if you're real with yourself you know you just want this to be a bloodsport then.

There is NOTHING wrong or hard about tackling with proper technique - face up - hit into the torso and wrap up, and dump the guy to the ground.   None of that should require targetting knees or heads.

The problem is, the culture rewarded big hits, and we know some teams like the Saints are rewarding injury.  Thats why the bountygate was stressed so hard.

Harrison is a dirtbag, plain and simple.  I have never seen Ray need to purposed go low or high on a hit.  He plays the game like its meant to be played - hard, fast, fundamentally sound, and whenever at all possible, clean.

Very well said.  Just play the game the right way.  Play hard, hit hard, but without intent to injur the opponent.  It is very easy to read between the lines with Harrison.  He is saying he should be allowed to hit the opponenet as hard as he can right in the head with his helmet.  And if they tell him he can't, well, he will show them.  He'll try his best to break some knees.

Man, I really look forward to the day he gets taken out on a stretcher himself.  The day I'm not looking forward to is the day I hear that he, or someone else he gave a headshot to has killed a wife or one of his kids before putting a gun to his own head as he goes mad.


Same way I feel about Hines Ward's cheapshots.   it was Karma and only fitting that Jarrett Johnson lined him up for a legal, albeit maybe unnecessary, hit.  That was the end of Hines' career, honestly.

He was already old and slow, but I think after that hit he just wasn't the same - he wasn't fearless anymore, and who  knows how bad the post-concussion symtoms were.

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Posted: 12/21/2012 12:27 PM

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flaccoisthefuture wrote: I think he is right.. you cannot tackle anywhere high anymore.. the next place to go is low.  not his fault, he is playing by the rules
Yup, not only that, but hes putting Rodg in a tough spot. Because now, if Gooddell tries to eliminate players targeting the knees of other players (which they have already implemented for Qb's, but not for anyone running with the ball) then you are gong to see a VERY nasty battle and backlash.

I applaud harrison for making this statement, hes pretty much calling Goddell bluff which is to overreact and try to implement even more rules to make it "flag football".
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Posted: 12/21/2012 12:30 PM

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ClericBlackDave wrote:

You can hit someone anywhere above the knee and below the neck and avoid hurting them AND avoid getting a fine.


Harrison is just being a dirtbag.

And the people type that you like what he's saying - if you're real with yourself you know you just want this to be a bloodsport then.

There is NOTHING wrong or hard about tackling with proper technique - face up - hit into the torso and wrap up, and dump the guy to the ground.   None of that should require targetting knees or heads.

The problem is, the culture rewarded big hits, and we know some teams like the Saints are rewarding injury.  Thats why the bountygate was stressed so hard.

Harrison is a dirtbag, plain and simple.  I have never seen Ray need to purposed go low or high on a hit.  He plays the game like its meant to be played - hard, fast, fundamentally sound, and whenever at all possible, clean.

But yet Ray was fined for his "cleanliness" on ocho cinco a few years ago. And i remember a few oter instances where he was fined, but my point being, at some point even the "clean" players around the league, will say enough is enough when more rules are implemented, what are they gonna ask the defensive players to do next??? Tie their hands behind their backs???

Goodell needs to see that hes making defensive players more desperate & is actually making the game less safe for everyone involved.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 12:37 PM

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theravenkidd wrote:
ClericBlackDave wrote:

You can hit someone anywhere above the knee and below the neck and avoid hurting them AND avoid getting a fine.


Harrison is just being a dirtbag.

And the people type that you like what he's saying - if you're real with yourself you know you just want this to be a bloodsport then.

There is NOTHING wrong or hard about tackling with proper technique - face up - hit into the torso and wrap up, and dump the guy to the ground.   None of that should require targetting knees or heads.

The problem is, the culture rewarded big hits, and we know some teams like the Saints are rewarding injury.  Thats why the bountygate was stressed so hard.

Harrison is a dirtbag, plain and simple.  I have never seen Ray need to purposed go low or high on a hit.  He plays the game like its meant to be played - hard, fast, fundamentally sound, and whenever at all possible, clean.

But yet Ray was fined for his "cleanliness" on ocho cinco a few years ago. And i remember a few oter instances where he was fined, but my point being, at some point even the "clean" players around the league, will say enough is enough when more rules are implemented, what are they gonna ask the defensive players to do next??? Tie their hands behind their backs???

Goodell needs to see that hes making defensive players more desperate & is actually making the game less safe for everyone involved.
B.S.  It is not less safe for everyone involved.  And, guys like Harrison are the reason Goodell has been forced to do something about it.  If guys would just play good solid, hard hitting football, these rules would not be necessary.  Instead, you've got guys like Harrison that not only try to injur players, but they cheer it on.  The commiss was forced to put in these rules and guys like Lewis who do want to play good, solid, hard hitting football are penalized for it.  Guys like Harrison are the reason the league is going in the direction they are going in.

So, try to act all macho all you want.  Trying to end a guy's career and cripple him for life should not be part of the game.  If it happens by accident, so be it.  Harrison has absolutely no regard for the other guy's health.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 1:02 PM

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I gotta side with Harrison on this...
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Posted: 12/21/2012 1:05 PM

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Tsizzles31 wrote: I gotta side with Harrison on this...
With which part that he said?  The part where he said it was just as life threatening to hit someone in the knee?  Of, if so, the part where he said that was what he was aiming for?  In other words, he is aiming to try to threaten someone's life.  Is that what you are siding with?
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Posted: 12/21/2012 1:09 PM

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B.S.  It is not less safe for everyone involved.  And, guys like Harrison are the reason Goodell has been forced to do something about it.  If guys would just play good solid, hard hitting football, these rules would not be necessary.  Instead, you've got guys like Harrison that not only try to injur players, but they cheer it on.  The commiss was forced to put in these rules and guys like Lewis who do want to play good, solid, hard hitting football are penalized for it.  Guys like Harrison are the reason the league is going in the direction they are going in.

So, try to act all macho all you want.  Trying to end a guy's career and cripple him for life should not be part of the game.  If it happens by accident, so be it.  Harrison has absolutely no regard for the other guy's health.
First, c'mon, lets be honest here...Do you honestly believe the powers at be give a rats butt about concussions, or being sued over them and the end results...It's a world of who can sue who now...Thats why this has taken what 70 to 80 years to come to light...Rodg is doing nothing but creating a league that looks good in a lawsuit...

Every locker room has players like Harrison...Guys that think "old school" hit as hard as you can and get up if you can...Butkus, Hendricks, Atkinson, and hundreds more...Harrison, although as I said, not being the sharpest tool in the shed at least understands like many, this crap isn't about safety, it's about lawsuits...

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Posted: 12/21/2012 1:28 PM

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steeldeal wrote:
B.S.  It is not less safe for everyone involved.  And, guys like Harrison are the reason Goodell has been forced to do something about it.  If guys would just play good solid, hard hitting football, these rules would not be necessary.  Instead, you've got guys like Harrison that not only try to injur players, but they cheer it on.  The commiss was forced to put in these rules and guys like Lewis who do want to play good, solid, hard hitting football are penalized for it.  Guys like Harrison are the reason the league is going in the direction they are going in.

So, try to act all macho all you want.  Trying to end a guy's career and cripple him for life should not be part of the game.  If it happens by accident, so be it.  Harrison has absolutely no regard for the other guy's health.
First, c'mon, lets be honest here...Due you honestly believe the powers at be give a rats butt about concussions, or being sued over them and the end results...It's a world of who can sue who now...Thats why this has taken what 70 to 80 years to come to light...Rodg is doing nothing but creating a league that looks good in a lawsuit...

Every locker room has players like Harrison...Guys that think "old school" hit as hard as you can and get up if you can...Butkus, Hendricks, Atkinson, and hundreds more...Harrison, although as I said, not being the sharpest tool in the shed at least understands like many, this crap isn't about safety, it's about lawsuits...
Of course it is about law suits.  And the more idiots like Harrison go out of their way to hurt people, the more the powers that be will crack down on it.  There is nothing wrong with hitting as hard as you can.  That is how you make the other team play tentatively and turn the ball over.  The problem is when a player purposely tries to hit as hard as he can in the head with his helmet.  Or, in this case, acts like a child, throws a temper tantrum and declares that he'll find another way to put the other player's "life at risk".

I bet with most of those old school players, if they knew then what we know now, most of them would agree they don't want to go out of their way to nail someone in the head with their helmet.

And by the way, the only time that is penalized is when it is a defenseless receiver or a defenseless quarterback.  Once one of them is a runner, there are no such rules.

What this clown is going to do, is force the NFL's hand and have them put in new rules about hitting the knees.  Then everyone can complain about that too.  If he would just keep his mouth shut and try his best to just play good, solid football like the majority of NFL players, everything would be fine.

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Posted: 12/21/2012 1:30 PM

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if ur a football player u better be tougher than a 2 dollar steak.

i see many people here mustve never played
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Posted: 12/21/2012 1:47 PM

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rantnrav wrote:
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What this clown is going to do, is force the NFL's hand and have them put in new rules about hitting the knees.  Then everyone can complain about that too.  If he would just keep his mouth shut and try his best to just play good, solid football like the majority of NFL players, everything would be fine.

First, if you just watch ESPN, the ex NFL players, Schlereth, Golic, Woodson, Douglas, just to name a few are dead against this "new game" that Rodg is creating...The point of the above sentence is it's not just ex-Steeler players in his ear, it's ex-NFL players in his ear (through numerous interviews with him) telling him how much they hate this pussyfied league Rodg is creating...

You are correct in saying, and we all wish this about him, don't say it, just shut-up and play...Let Rodg come up with his own conclusions...

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Posted: 12/21/2012 1:59 PM

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You can avoid hitting the head and not PURPOSELY TARGET THE KNEES.


Some of you guys should be ashamed.  Sure, you're going to make a bad hit or two every once in a while.

Harrison isn't doing that.  He was a repeat offender PURPOSELY hitting people high helmet-to-helmet.   Now he can't do that, and he has an article saying he's going for the knees, and touting that he sprained a guys knee ligaments on a hit.

He is playing dirty, and I'm pretty sure he and the steelers were being coached dirty.

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Posted: 12/21/2012 2:01 PM

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steeldeal wrote:
rantnrav wrote:
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What this clown is going to do, is force the NFL's hand and have them put in new rules about hitting the knees.  Then everyone can complain about that too.  If he would just keep his mouth shut and try his best to just play good, solid football like the majority of NFL players, everything would be fine.

First, if you just watch ESPN, the ex NFL players, Schlereth, Golic, Woodson, Douglas, just to name a few are dead against this "new game" that Rodg is creating...The point of the above sentence is it's not just ex-Steeler players in his ear, it's ex-NFL players in his ear (through numerous interviews with him) telling him how much they hate this pussyfied league Rodg is creating...

You are correct in saying, and we all wish this about him, don't say it, just shut-up and play...Let Rodg come up with his own conclusions...
Most are against the NFL going overboard with it, but I don't think most are against trying to limit the helmet to helmet knockout blows when they are dirty hits.  They, like I do, agree that many are not dirty hits and shouldn't be flagged.  Unfortunately, it is too difficult for the refs to determine that.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 2:04 PM

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Posted: 12/21/2012 2:14 PM

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ClericBlackDave wrote:

 

He is playing dirty, and I'm pretty sure he and the steelers were being coached dirty.


Eh, I just don't see that coaching session where they take the rule book, figure out whats illegal, and start to teach and coach it...Outside of the estimated 10-15 personal foul flags they would get, plus the constant fines that players would pay while not blaming "the coaching staff" teaching them this to get out of the fines...

But hey, I don't know, maybe, I'm not there...You sound like you have more information than the normal fan...
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Posted: 12/21/2012 2:18 PM

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he is making the NFL look like a joke is exactly what he is doing.

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No Goodell is doing that on his own . I understand the need to prevent concussions and how devestating CHIs are, but there has to be a better was then emasculating the defense. Technique needs to be emphasized, and knee injuries suck too.

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Posted: 12/21/2012 2:42 PM

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rayvensfan52 wrote:
teagues wrote:
flaccoisthefuture wrote: I think he is right.. you cannot tackle anywhere high anymore.. the next place to go is low.  not his fault, he is playing by the rules

Why is he right?  There is plenty of space between the shoulders and the waist to make a tackle.  That's how I was taught.

I didn't know intentionally hurting a player was football..     I guess all those hard tackles we see every game  between the hips and shoulder pads was Ballet..

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Posted: 12/21/2012 3:18 PM

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he is making the NFL look like a joke is exactly what he is doing.

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No Goodell is doing that on his own . I understand the need to prevent concussions and how devestating CHIs are, but there has to be a better was then emasculating the defense. Technique needs to be emphasized, and knee injuries suck too.
Or better equipment, why doesnt he stress THAT before trying to create his professional Flag Football league.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 5:31 PM

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keep it clean, and stop the personal insults, or this thread will be locked.

 Don't argue with an idiot;  people watching may not be able to tell the difference. 

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Posted: 12/21/2012 6:21 PM

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He's a lot of both...

I think he's gonna hurt a knee purposely.  That's just my gut instinct on this.  He's going to break someone's leg and shrug it off, like the d-bag I think he is, saying,  "Well, it's a dangerous game, but the hit was legal and where the league wants it... what do you want me to do about it?"  I think he's a treacherous skunk.

The truth is, tho, even if these guys lead with their shoulder and hit the opponent square in the chest, even wrapping around the waist when brought down, if his helmet so much as bumps into the face mask, neck, or helmet of the opponent, it's gonna get flagged.  I'm all for safety, but these are grown men throwing their bodies around.  There are going to be hard hits.

Anyone remember the guy from the Bills that had the oversized helmet back in the day.  Renfro, or something.  Looked like a bobble-head on the field, but the helmet was designed to either eliminate concussions or minimize them.  Why hasn't such a piece of equipment been made mandatory if the league really cares so much?!
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