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Flacco Solution is on our Roster

Posted: 12/17/2012 8:47 PM

Flacco Solution is on our Roster 


This may seem far fetched, but this is a copycat leaguw! Offer Flacco a Matt Cassell type deal. If he does not want it, see ya Anthony Davis face! Let Tyrod and Dennis Dixon run the Pistol. No one can stop it. Save the money and load up on defense. I bet in the pistol you can better utilize Ray Rice and we would be paying Tyrod, Dennis Dixon and another young quarterback peanuts
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Posted: 12/17/2012 9:17 PM

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The QB also has to be able to beat you with the pass, by being accurate, making good decisions, and having a good arm. Dixon and Taylor are not RG3 and Russell Wilson. You can't just put a running threat QB in and say "go run the pistol."
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Posted: 12/17/2012 9:21 PM

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I remember my first blunt
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Posted: 12/17/2012 9:22 PM

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BmoreFan24 wrote: The QB also has to be able to beat you with the pass, by being accurate, making good decisions, and having a good arm. Dixon and Taylor are not RG3 and Russell Wilson. You can't just put a running threat QB in and say "go run the pistol."
Russell Wilson wasnt Russell wilson until he was given a shot, you dont know WHAT we have in taylor, a bit premature to trash the kid since hes never taken a snap & given an opportunity.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 9:26 PM

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Everyone is quick to say Tyrod is garbage. How can you say that without seeing him play? I don't see how we get any worse when Flacco is fumbling every week and throwing pick sixes.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 9:37 PM

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BmoreFan24 wrote: The QB also has to be able to beat you with the pass, by being accurate, making good decisions, and having a good arm. Dixon and Taylor are not RG3 and Russell Wilson. You can't just put a running threat QB in and say "go run the pistol."
Russell Wilson wasnt Russell wilson until he was given a shot, you dont know WHAT we have in taylor, a bit premature to trash the kid since hes never taken a snap & given an opportunity.

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Russell Wilson would have been rated as high as RG3 and Luck if not for his height. The likes of McShay and Kiper have confirmed that, so plenty of people were well aware of his talent.

You never know for sure what you have, so I'm not completely disregarding the possibility. I just don't think Dixon would have bounced around practice squads if he had RG3 or Wilson ability. I think someone other than message board posters would have seen his ability. Taylor? Who knows? Maybe he'll be given a shot next year.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 9:49 PM

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I was really high on Russell Wilson when he came out. I watched him when he transferred to Wisconsin. Dude just lit it up and is a natural leader. He got it done even after consistently being beat up for being too short and not fitting into the prototype qb mold. Can't say I'm surprised he's lighting it up in Seattle.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 9:53 PM

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SpankyJohnson wrote: This may seem far fetched, but this is a copycat leaguw! Offer Flacco a Matt Cassell type deal. If he does not want it, see ya Anthony Davis face! Let Tyrod and Dennis Dixon run the Pistol. No one can stop it. Save the money and load up on defense. I bet in the pistol you can better utilize Ray Rice and we would be paying Tyrod, Dennis Dixon and another young quarterback peanuts
Tyrod Taylor is NOT AN NFL STARTING QB.  If he was he would be on another roster right now and the Ravens would have gotten a high draft pick like the Redskins are getting ready to get for Cousins. 

The issue with the Ravens is more than Flacco.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 9:54 PM

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bunnyjumping.gifThere will be GMs standing in line if the Ravens released Flacco.

Tyrod and Dixon, give me a break.bunnyjumping.gif

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Posted: 12/17/2012 10:29 PM

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Flacco & Harbaugh arent' going anywhere - just go ahead and get that idea out of all your heads.

The problem is at some point some jack @ss decided we should build the team around Flacco instead of a dominate defense & run game.

That isn't who flacco is - he is solid game manager, generally cool under presser,  smart and can make throws when needed

He's not going to win shootouts on a regular basis EVER - he's never going to be peyton manning or even archie manning.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 10:51 PM

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It's a multitude of perfect storm issues that have negatively influenced some of the recent pitfalls we've seen. particularly the Webb and Suggs injuries have impacted our ability to scheme and take risks.

Injuries, Cap Strapped, Poor Personnel moves, both Drafts and FA . Including young players counted on to contribute whom for many reasons haven't. Cody, Kindle and Smith just to name a few...

The benefit of the NFL game is that if you have a good organization, you can fix the problem without being shutout for a decade.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 11:12 PM

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Go back and watch the college tape of RG3, Wilson, Dixon and Taylor. RG3 is head and shoulders above all of them. Wilson was head and shoulders above both Taylor and Dixon as a passer.

RG3 and Wilson are very athletic QBs.....but they're QBs first! They can stand in the pocket and make the throw. Dixon and Taylor are not those guys.

Dixon and Taylor are better versions of Pat White and the kid from Ohio State that plays in Oakland (his name escapes me). They might be on the same level as Tebow AT BEST.

Neither of those guys are the answer. Stop reaching. If the team had a chance to get someone that was legitamately on the same level as Griffin or Wilson, then by all means, they should explore that option. But the fact is, they don't really have that as a realistic possibility.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 12:06 AM

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Posted: 12/18/2012 6:21 AM

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Paintballguy wrote: Everyone is quick to say Tyrod is garbage. How can you say that without seeing him play? I don't see how we get any worse when Flacco is fumbling every week and throwing pick sixes.
We've seen him play.  All through several training camps and many preseason games.  The guy just isn't very good.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 6:33 AM

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Trade flacco and our first and second rounders for Sanchez and tebow
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Posted: 12/18/2012 6:37 AM

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Get rid of Flacco banghead The solution is on our rosterrolleyes
Are you kidding me.Look at the long list of terrible QBs we had before Flacco and now we want to replace him with an unknown.
He isn't top teir but he is a  starter in the league and if Our Coaches put the right system around him he can be successful.
All the wins he has had aren't because he rode somebody elses coat tails.
The past few seasons he has put us in positions to win big games in the playoffs and other players have came up short.
I for one don't want to go back to the days of :
Stoney Case
Jeff Blake
Tony Banks
Kyle Boller
Elvis Grbac.
Even Troy Smith how is him leaving Baltimore working out for him?
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Posted: 12/18/2012 6:53 AM

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Trade Up:

  1. Geno Smith, West Virginia
    Height: 6-3. Weight: 214.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.69.
    Projected Round (2013): Top-10 Pick.

    12/1/12: Smith started out 2012 on fire. He was a dominant force before getting shut down against Texas Tech and Kansas State. Smith played better in November even though West Virginia was in a losing streak.

    Smith has completed 70 percent of his passes this season for 3,597 yards, 37 touchdowns and five interceptions. He had one of the most prolific games in college football history by completing 45-of-51 for 656 yards, eight touchdowns and zero interceptions against Baylor.

    The senior signal-caller has an excellent skill set. He is showing his intelligence and field vision by working through his progressions and looking off safeties. Smith has some natural accuracy with good arm strength to make all the throws. He can fire some fastballs into tight windows with phenomenal ball placement to hit receivers in stride.

    Smith's plus mobility allows him to pick up first downs with his feet and bail out his offensive line. He needs to work on sustaining drives as he has struggled when Texas Tech and Kansas State took away the deep part of the field. Smith will need to improve his footwork for the NFL. He needs to become more uniform with good feet to get in rhythm.

    8/16/12: Smith completed 65 percent of his passes for 2,763 yards with 24 touchdowns and seven interceptions in his first year as a starter in 2010. He made big improvements in year two and produced an excellent junior season for the Mountaineers. He completed 66 percent of his passes for 4,385 yards with 31 touchdowns and seven interceptions. Smith also ran for 180 yards and two scores. The junior played his heart out against LSU's talented defense with 463 yards passing.

    Smith shows the arm to be quality passer with some natural accuracy. He has earned a reputation as a very hard worker and true student of the game who puts in a ton of time in the film room. Smith is a good athlete who could fit well in a West Coast offense. He could earn first-round consideration.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 6:55 AM

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Reactionary post of the week, banghead
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Posted: 12/18/2012 7:09 AM

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OMG people...The problem runs a lot deeper than Flacco. Ray Rice has not played that well, the o-line stinks really bad, game planning and execution is poor. receivers dropping balls and can't get open and the defense is back up and practice squad guy's. We just suck this year, if it wasn't for a little luck this year we wouldn't even make the playoff's.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 7:16 AM

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flaccoisthefuture wrote: Trade Up:

  1. Geno Smith, West Virginia
    Height: 6-3. Weight: 214.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.69.
    Projected Round (2013): Top-10 Pick.

    12/1/12: Smith started out 2012 on fire. He was a dominant force before getting shut down against Texas Tech and Kansas State. Smith played better in November even though West Virginia was in a losing streak.

    Smith has completed 70 percent of his passes this season for 3,597 yards, 37 touchdowns and five interceptions. He had one of the most prolific games in college football history by completing 45-of-51 for 656 yards, eight touchdowns and zero interceptions against Baylor.

    The senior signal-caller has an excellent skill set. He is showing his intelligence and field vision by working through his progressions and looking off safeties. Smith has some natural accuracy with good arm strength to make all the throws. He can fire some fastballs into tight windows with phenomenal ball placement to hit receivers in stride.

    Smith's plus mobility allows him to pick up first downs with his feet and bail out his offensive line. He needs to work on sustaining drives as he has struggled when Texas Tech and Kansas State took away the deep part of the field. Smith will need to improve his footwork for the NFL. He needs to become more uniform with good feet to get in rhythm.

    8/16/12: Smith completed 65 percent of his passes for 2,763 yards with 24 touchdowns and seven interceptions in his first year as a starter in 2010. He made big improvements in year two and produced an excellent junior season for the Mountaineers. He completed 66 percent of his passes for 4,385 yards with 31 touchdowns and seven interceptions. Smith also ran for 180 yards and two scores. The junior played his heart out against LSU's talented defense with 463 yards passing.

    Smith shows the arm to be quality passer with some natural accuracy. He has earned a reputation as a very hard worker and true student of the game who puts in a ton of time in the film room. Smith is a good athlete who could fit well in a West Coast offense. He could earn first-round consideration.

I would be for it if we could trade Flacco for some picks. Then, we could move up to get Geno.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 7:17 AM

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wlkntal wrote: OMG people...The problem runs a lot deeper than Flacco. Ray Rice has not played that well, the o-line stinks really bad, game planning and execution is poor. receivers dropping balls and can't get open and the defense is back up and practice squad guy's. We just suck this year, if it wasn't for a little luck this year we wouldn't even make the playoff's.

Right there.  That's where you lose football games.  If your o-line is no good (and ours is a steaming pile right now), you can't run the ball, can't pass protect, and CAN'T WIN!  Fix the line, most of these problems go away - Rice starts getting running lanes, which in turn opens up passing opportunities, and suddenly guys start getting open.  Last I checked, football is not played 7-7 in the NFL.  Those guys on the line really do make a difference.

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Posted: 12/18/2012 8:07 AM

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Thats weird, the oline blocked fine when pierce ran
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Posted: 12/18/2012 8:44 AM

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Paintballguy wrote:
flaccoisthefuture wrote: Trade Up:

  1. Geno Smith, West Virginia
    Height: 6-3. Weight: 214.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.69.
    Projected Round (2013): Top-10 Pick.

    12/1/12: Smith started out 2012 on fire. He was a dominant force before getting shut down against Texas Tech and Kansas State. Smith played better in November even though West Virginia was in a losing streak.

    Smith has completed 70 percent of his passes this season for 3,597 yards, 37 touchdowns and five interceptions. He had one of the most prolific games in college football history by completing 45-of-51 for 656 yards, eight touchdowns and zero interceptions against Baylor.

    The senior signal-caller has an excellent skill set. He is showing his intelligence and field vision by working through his progressions and looking off safeties. Smith has some natural accuracy with good arm strength to make all the throws. He can fire some fastballs into tight windows with phenomenal ball placement to hit receivers in stride.

    Smith's plus mobility allows him to pick up first downs with his feet and bail out his offensive line. He needs to work on sustaining drives as he has struggled when Texas Tech and Kansas State took away the deep part of the field. Smith will need to improve his footwork for the NFL. He needs to become more uniform with good feet to get in rhythm.

    8/16/12: Smith completed 65 percent of his passes for 2,763 yards with 24 touchdowns and seven interceptions in his first year as a starter in 2010. He made big improvements in year two and produced an excellent junior season for the Mountaineers. He completed 66 percent of his passes for 4,385 yards with 31 touchdowns and seven interceptions. Smith also ran for 180 yards and two scores. The junior played his heart out against LSU's talented defense with 463 yards passing.

    Smith shows the arm to be quality passer with some natural accuracy. He has earned a reputation as a very hard worker and true student of the game who puts in a ton of time in the film room. Smith is a good athlete who could fit well in a West Coast offense. He could earn first-round consideration.

I would be for it if we could trade Flacco for some picks. Then, we could move up to get Geno.
Ok, so you get a rookie quarterback with the draft pick.  How do you fill our other holes?  Where do you get that linebacker or safety?  How about that left tackle?  Center?  If you put a rookie quarterback in with our current group of players, we would be worse than attroachious next year.  It would set our team back for year.

Keep Flacco, continue to build through the draft, get some players back who are injured and pick up one or two free agents to supplement and we can be a contender again next year.  

People act like because Flacco isn't Brady or Manning that means we can't win with him.  Hello, we were a dropped pass away from the superbowl last year with him.  He just needs a good supporting cast.  That's all.  Don't throw the baby out with the bath water people.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 9:02 AM

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dixon couldn't even beat batch and leftwich for a backup job and now he's the answer. who knows maybe the mayans were right

Going where I want instead of where I should

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Posted: 12/18/2012 9:04 AM

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rantnrav wrote:
Paintballguy wrote:
flaccoisthefuture wrote: Trade Up:

  1. Geno Smith, West Virginia
    Height: 6-3. Weight: 214.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.69.
    Projected Round (2013): Top-10 Pick.

    12/1/12: Smith started out 2012 on fire. He was a dominant force before getting shut down against Texas Tech and Kansas State. Smith played better in November even though West Virginia was in a losing streak.

    Smith has completed 70 percent of his passes this season for 3,597 yards, 37 touchdowns and five interceptions. He had one of the most prolific games in college football history by completing 45-of-51 for 656 yards, eight touchdowns and zero interceptions against Baylor.

    The senior signal-caller has an excellent skill set. He is showing his intelligence and field vision by working through his progressions and looking off safeties. Smith has some natural accuracy with good arm strength to make all the throws. He can fire some fastballs into tight windows with phenomenal ball placement to hit receivers in stride.

    Smith's plus mobility allows him to pick up first downs with his feet and bail out his offensive line. He needs to work on sustaining drives as he has struggled when Texas Tech and Kansas State took away the deep part of the field. Smith will need to improve his footwork for the NFL. He needs to become more uniform with good feet to get in rhythm.

    8/16/12: Smith completed 65 percent of his passes for 2,763 yards with 24 touchdowns and seven interceptions in his first year as a starter in 2010. He made big improvements in year two and produced an excellent junior season for the Mountaineers. He completed 66 percent of his passes for 4,385 yards with 31 touchdowns and seven interceptions. Smith also ran for 180 yards and two scores. The junior played his heart out against LSU's talented defense with 463 yards passing.

    Smith shows the arm to be quality passer with some natural accuracy. He has earned a reputation as a very hard worker and true student of the game who puts in a ton of time in the film room. Smith is a good athlete who could fit well in a West Coast offense. He could earn first-round consideration.

I would be for it if we could trade Flacco for some picks. Then, we could move up to get Geno.
Ok, so you get a rookie quarterback with the draft pick.  How do you fill our other holes?  Where do you get that linebacker or safety?  How about that left tackle?  Center?  If you put a rookie quarterback in with our current group of players, we would be worse than attroachious next year.  It would set our team back for year.

Keep Flacco, continue to build through the draft, get some players back who are injured and pick up one or two free agents to supplement and we can be a contender again next year.  

People act like because Flacco isn't Brady or Manning that means we can't win with him.  Hello, we were a dropped pass away from the superbowl last year with him.  He just needs a good supporting cast.  That's all.  Don't throw the baby out with the bath water people.
Flacco doesn't cost $7,000,000 a year anymore. He'll cost $10,000,000 more than that to franchise and PLEASE OZZIE don't sign him to a long term deal. Don't even franchise him.

With WHAT money are you going to sign these 1 or 2 FA's that are going to help get us to a SB with Flacco at QB? HOW do you afford the "good supporting cast" that apparently isn't good enough right now?

This is strictly an economic issue. This is NOT baseball. You can't just sign anybody you want to for any money you feel like.

People have to think this through a little better. We are ina box that we created and the best way out is to maintain, actually not maintain because we don't have it it now, GET some cap discipline and rebuild the D so that it's way closer to the 2000 Ravens, starting from the inside out, which is where we need the most help. D-line, then LB, then back end.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 9:06 AM

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Y'all are starting to sound like Eagle fans..

and we all know how rediculous they sound..
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Posted: 12/18/2012 9:07 AM

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rantnrav wrote:
Paintballguy wrote:
flaccoisthefuture wrote: Trade Up:

  1. Geno Smith, West Virginia
    Height: 6-3. Weight: 214.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.69.
    Projected Round (2013): Top-10 Pick.

    12/1/12: Smith started out 2012 on fire. He was a dominant force before getting shut down against Texas Tech and Kansas State. Smith played better in November even though West Virginia was in a losing streak.

    Smith has completed 70 percent of his passes this season for 3,597 yards, 37 touchdowns and five interceptions. He had one of the most prolific games in college football history by completing 45-of-51 for 656 yards, eight touchdowns and zero interceptions against Baylor.

    The senior signal-caller has an excellent skill set. He is showing his intelligence and field vision by working through his progressions and looking off safeties. Smith has some natural accuracy with good arm strength to make all the throws. He can fire some fastballs into tight windows with phenomenal ball placement to hit receivers in stride.

    Smith's plus mobility allows him to pick up first downs with his feet and bail out his offensive line. He needs to work on sustaining drives as he has struggled when Texas Tech and Kansas State took away the deep part of the field. Smith will need to improve his footwork for the NFL. He needs to become more uniform with good feet to get in rhythm.

    8/16/12: Smith completed 65 percent of his passes for 2,763 yards with 24 touchdowns and seven interceptions in his first year as a starter in 2010. He made big improvements in year two and produced an excellent junior season for the Mountaineers. He completed 66 percent of his passes for 4,385 yards with 31 touchdowns and seven interceptions. Smith also ran for 180 yards and two scores. The junior played his heart out against LSU's talented defense with 463 yards passing.

    Smith shows the arm to be quality passer with some natural accuracy. He has earned a reputation as a very hard worker and true student of the game who puts in a ton of time in the film room. Smith is a good athlete who could fit well in a West Coast offense. He could earn first-round consideration.

I would be for it if we could trade Flacco for some picks. Then, we could move up to get Geno.
Ok, so you get a rookie quarterback with the draft pick.  How do you fill our other holes?  Where do you get that linebacker or safety?  How about that left tackle?  Center?  If you put a rookie quarterback in with our current group of players, we would be worse than attroachious next year.  It would set our team back for year.

Keep Flacco, continue to build through the draft, get some players back who are injured and pick up one or two free agents to supplement and we can be a contender again next year.  

People act like because Flacco isn't Brady or Manning that means we can't win with him.  Hello, we were a dropped pass away from the superbowl last year with him.  He just needs a good supporting cast.  That's all.  Don't throw the baby out with the bath water people.

take a step back dude.... getting the rookie does not solve it all, but it does stop a 100+ million dollar mistake
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Posted: 12/18/2012 9:14 AM

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flaccoisthefuture wrote:
rantnrav wrote:
Paintballguy wrote:
flaccoisthefuture wrote: Trade Up:

  1. Geno Smith, West Virginia
    Height: 6-3. Weight: 214.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.69.
    Projected Round (2013): Top-10 Pick.

    12/1/12: Smith started out 2012 on fire. He was a dominant force before getting shut down against Texas Tech and Kansas State. Smith played better in November even though West Virginia was in a losing streak.

    Smith has completed 70 percent of his passes this season for 3,597 yards, 37 touchdowns and five interceptions. He had one of the most prolific games in college football history by completing 45-of-51 for 656 yards, eight touchdowns and zero interceptions against Baylor.

    The senior signal-caller has an excellent skill set. He is showing his intelligence and field vision by working through his progressions and looking off safeties. Smith has some natural accuracy with good arm strength to make all the throws. He can fire some fastballs into tight windows with phenomenal ball placement to hit receivers in stride.

    Smith's plus mobility allows him to pick up first downs with his feet and bail out his offensive line. He needs to work on sustaining drives as he has struggled when Texas Tech and Kansas State took away the deep part of the field. Smith will need to improve his footwork for the NFL. He needs to become more uniform with good feet to get in rhythm.

    8/16/12: Smith completed 65 percent of his passes for 2,763 yards with 24 touchdowns and seven interceptions in his first year as a starter in 2010. He made big improvements in year two and produced an excellent junior season for the Mountaineers. He completed 66 percent of his passes for 4,385 yards with 31 touchdowns and seven interceptions. Smith also ran for 180 yards and two scores. The junior played his heart out against LSU's talented defense with 463 yards passing.

    Smith shows the arm to be quality passer with some natural accuracy. He has earned a reputation as a very hard worker and true student of the game who puts in a ton of time in the film room. Smith is a good athlete who could fit well in a West Coast offense. He could earn first-round consideration.

I would be for it if we could trade Flacco for some picks. Then, we could move up to get Geno.
Ok, so you get a rookie quarterback with the draft pick.  How do you fill our other holes?  Where do you get that linebacker or safety?  How about that left tackle?  Center?  If you put a rookie quarterback in with our current group of players, we would be worse than attroachious next year.  It would set our team back for year.

Keep Flacco, continue to build through the draft, get some players back who are injured and pick up one or two free agents to supplement and we can be a contender again next year.  

People act like because Flacco isn't Brady or Manning that means we can't win with him.  Hello, we were a dropped pass away from the superbowl last year with him.  He just needs a good supporting cast.  That's all.  Don't throw the baby out with the bath water people.

take a step back dude.... getting the rookie does not solve it all, but it does stop a 100+ million dollar mistake
I'm not saying to spend 100+ million on Flacco.  I think he has lost his leverage and will have to settle for way less.  He should be paid as a middle of the pack quarterback and I think that is where it will wind up eventually.  Either that, or you have to cut him loose and get a stop-gap guy. 

But, you can't expect to go into the draft and produce the next great quarterback.  Especially in a year where the quarterback class is weak.  It would set us back for years and that is assuming the guy we get turns out to be good.  Our best hope is to sign Flacco to a friendly deal.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 9:16 AM

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DiscoJamal wrote: Flacco & Harbaugh arent' going anywhere - just go ahead and get that idea out of all your heads.

The problem is at some point some jack @ss decided we should build the team around Flacco instead of a dominate defense & run game.

That isn't who flacco is - he is solid game manager, generally cool under presser,  smart and can make throws when needed

He's not going to win shootouts on a regular basis EVER - he's never going to be peyton manning or even archie manning.
Thank you!  This isn't fantasy football, fellas.  Joe Flacco is not going anywhere.  Fans have to have some trust in the staff of the Baltimore Ravens.  5 years of Playoffs in this day and age is nothing to sneeze at.  Winning a SuperBowl is perhaps the hardest thing to do in professional sports.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 9:16 AM

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Number 1 rule in talent evaluation, don't let go of what you have without having a better option. Sorry, but Dixon and Taylor aren't better options and I'm not willing to "waste" a season or two developing someone.

Here is what I consider an option. Would anyone be open to letting Joe walk and signing Phillip Rivers as a free agent ?
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Posted: 12/18/2012 9:19 AM

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Unless you can make a trade for one, here is the list of potential free agent quarterbacks.  I'd say Flacco is far and above the rest of them.  So, if you don't want to blow up the entire team and start from scratch, I'd say he is the best option for us.  What we have seen over the years is that we can win with Flacco as long as we maintain a good supporting cast.  Our offensive line is the #1 priority to get our offense to take off.  Not a new quarterback.

Quarterbacks:

Luke McCown – ATL
Joe Flacco – BAL
Tarvaris Jackson – BUF
Tyler Thigpen – BUF
Derek Anderson – CAR
Jason Campbell – CHI
Josh McCown – CHI
Bruce Gradkowski – CIN
Drew Stanton – IND
Brady Quinn – KC
Pat Devlin – MIA – (Ex)
Matt Moore – MIA
Chase Daniel – NO
David Carr – NYG
Matt Leinart – OAK
Charlie Batch – PIT
Byron Leftwich – PIT
Kellen Clemens – STL
Rex Grossman – WAS

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Posted: 12/18/2012 9:29 AM

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I thought Rivers was a free agent. If not, by the looks of this list, the Ravens are stuck between and rock and hard place. Flacco seems to have leverage even while underperforming. I'd agree with your assessment Rant.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 10:34 AM

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drjohnnyfeva wrote:
  Winning a SuperBowl is perhaps the hardest thing to do in professional sports.


THIS!

I truly believe our fan base has been warped by the Ravens winning a superbowl so early in their existence on the first trip to the playoffs - people under estimate howdifficult and rare it is
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Posted: 12/18/2012 10:39 AM

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i dunno, I was talking to a friend of mine at the game sunday and he called it atlanta brave syndrome.

maybe the team needs a market correction of a season or two of not making the playoffs for the fans to appreciate what they have been able to do these last five years.

Going where I want instead of where I should

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Posted: 12/18/2012 10:53 AM

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borisnorris wrote: i dunno, I was talking to a friend of mine at the game sunday and he called it atlanta brave syndrome.

maybe the team needs a market correction of a season or two of not making the playoffs for the fans to appreciate what they have been able to do these last five years.

All that would cause is a request to blow up the entire franchise and start over.  Most here would be calling for Bisciotti to sell the team if we had a stretch of 3 years with only making the playoffs once.

The other guys get paid too.  You can't win it every year.  In the NFLs idea of parity (which is what they really want, because it's good for business), you would only make it to the Super Bowl once every 16 years.  Winning?  Once every 32!  We haven't been around all that long with this team - 17 seasons now - and we've already got a pretty good record, a fantastic home field reputation, and are in contention almost every year.

We're in the playoffs.  That is the biggest goal every regular season.  You can't win in the playoffs if you don't get there.  That being said, we have 2 more games to get ready for them.  We can still win the division - just 1 win away from that happening.

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Posted: 12/18/2012 11:24 AM

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Nowayallthesenamesaretaken wrote: I thought Rivers was a free agent. If not, by the looks of this list, the Ravens are stuck between and rock and hard place. Flacco seems to have leverage even while underperforming. I'd agree with your assessment Rant.
He signed a 6 year contract back in 2009, which runs through 2015.  Of course, they could choose to let him walk, but I somehow doubt that will happen.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 11:28 AM

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Didn't Flacco take us a dropped pass (in the hands) away from the Super Bowl twice!?!? Plus multiple game winning drives to get us there. I don't expect Dixon/Taylor to do that. Flacco is having a bad year, but he's not getting much help from the receivers/O-line. Hopefully we'll re-sign him to a decent contract.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 11:44 AM

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The other conveniently neglected point of the drop this player/ let this player walk argument is the replacement for the departing.  Seriously, Taylor?  Dixon?  And that list that was posted a couple of responses ago... Any of those guys are "better" than Joe?  Come on, man!

This is a market system the Ravens are operating in.  None of those guys would command the commitment in pay that Joe would, but the talent is also dubious at best.  Joe will command good money because he's a quality performer.  If they want him, they understand his market, they'll make a reasonable offer and then the negotiation will begin. 

The problem for us is that other towns/teams would probably give their eye-teeth for a QB like Joe Flacco.  So that only does one thing: bump his value.  But then the other option question comes to bear: can we win with another available guy?  Of the list above, there is no indication any of them are equal to Joe, much less superior to him.  In fact, their performance, Rivers included, as a whole, are inferior to Joe.

Seriously, where do you place Joe in the pecking order? 10-12?  That means 20-22 teams are in the market for Joe.  That bumps his asking price right there on a demand basis.  That's just the market.  There's no denying that.

Given that and that the Ravens don't like to let go of their first round picks, I'm pretty confident that Joe comes back and that the real need on the team, the Oline, is addressed in the offseason.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 11:45 AM

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RavenResurrection wrote: Didn't Flacco take us a dropped pass (in the hands) away from the Super Bowl twice!?!? Plus multiple game winning drives to get us there. I don't expect Dixon/Taylor to do that. Flacco is having a bad year, but he's not getting much help from the receivers/O-line. Hopefully we'll re-sign him to a decent contract.
We have never gotten as far as to the AFCCG with Oher at LT, and if he continues to man that position, all of the teams we have to see in the playoffs will abuse him with their pass rush. Oher is the factor, has been the factor, every season we've been in the playoffs. The year that Gaither was at LT, what happened?? AFCCG. McKinnie????? AFCCG. Oher at LT???? Early exits in the playoffs AND multiple sacks on Joe from the "blindside".

Joe will only go as far as his blocking takes him, same with Ray Rice. RR had one of his most productive years last year while Mc was at LT. We dont sweep Steelers last year with Oher at LT, plain and simple. The man singlehandedly shut down harrison in both games, what happened in our lost this year?? Strip sack to decide the entire season. What happened in 09?? Strip sack by Pullamuscle. Oher is a detriment to the success of Joe, you cannot gauge him properly while Oher is at LT. You can't. Then to boot, we have a revolving door at LG, and a rookie at RT. Im not alleviating or relieving Joe of anything as hes cost us at the very least, 3 of the 5 losses this season, but you cant talk about the Play of Joe without mentioning the domino effect of Oher's play at LT.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 11:51 AM

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cvilleRaven wrote:
borisnorris wrote: i dunno, I was talking to a friend of mine at the game sunday and he called it atlanta brave syndrome.

maybe the team needs a market correction of a season or two of not making the playoffs for the fans to appreciate what they have been able to do these last five years.

All that would cause is a request to blow up the entire franchise and start over.  Most here would be calling for Bisciotti to sell the team if we had a stretch of 3 years with only making the playoffs once.

The other guys get paid too.  You can't win it every year.  In the NFLs idea of parity (which is what they really want, because it's good for business), you would only make it to the Super Bowl once every 16 years.  Winning?  Once every 32!  We haven't been around all that long with this team - 17 seasons now - and we've already got a pretty good record, a fantastic home field reputation, and are in contention almost every year.

We're in the playoffs.  That is the biggest goal every regular season.  You can't win in the playoffs if you don't get there.  That being said, we have 2 more games to get ready for them.  We can still win the division - just 1 win away from that happening.

I agree but my point is this. they're in first place and gonig to the playoff but that isn't good enough. What was the point of firing cameron again? they need to retool and getting rid of some of the overpaid older players is a good place to start at the end of the year.

someone posted this in another thread and it was spot on. they don't have an identity right now and are wandering around trying to figure out what they are.

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