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Posted: 12/16/2012 2:26 PM

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That does it for me. I'm ready to cut bait and move on. Time for Flacco to go. We have a bit of a rebuild at the moment we might as well start at QB.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 2:29 PM

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He's a joke. Worse than Boller only because of the false hopes. He cost us at least a Super Bowl if we let him go after the next two losses. banghead



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Posted: 12/16/2012 2:30 PM

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That does it for me. I'm ready to cut bait and move on. Time for Flacco to go. We have a bit of a rebuild at the moment we might as well start at QB.

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Flacco and his agent look like the 2 biggest morons right now. He can take his top 5 ass to KC, AZ or Jax.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 2:32 PM

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Ditto. He's not getting it done by any stretch. Time for Tyrod and maybe the embarrassment will motivate Joe. There is nothing to lose. Let Joe walk at the end of the year and begin the hunt again.

Can you say Alex Smith matched with Norv Turner.




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Posted: 12/16/2012 2:55 PM

Joe Flacco is .................. 


enough said
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Posted: 12/16/2012 3:10 PM

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make this move and we WILL be in teh top 5 of the first round next year.  Then we may actually have a chance of getting a better QB, MAYBE.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 3:26 PM

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I would franchise and trade Flacco and our 1st to the chiefs or Cards for a 1st  this year and take Geno Smith.  sign Alex Smith to a 2 year 15 mil deal.  We will have our franchise QB and say in contention in the playoffs

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Posted: 12/16/2012 3:29 PM

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Teddy Bridgewater out of Louisville? 2014?

Terpette from Ttimes: "DanManMdFan, you are the most immature poster here."

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Posted: 12/16/2012 3:38 PM

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Still 2 tough games left on the schedule, than at least 1 playoff game.  Obviously, if Joe doesn't turn things around during that time, the organization will have a tough decision to make.  Being the optimist I am, I expect Flacco to bounce back next week against the G-Men, and put all this talk to rest (for a week, anyway!).
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Posted: 12/16/2012 3:40 PM

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20edreed wrote: I would franchise and trade Flacco and our 1st to the chiefs or Cards for a 1st  this year and take Geno Smith.  sign Alex Smith to a 2 year 15 mil deal.  We will have our franchise QB and say in contention in the playoffs


I see no benefit in doing so. 

Geno Smith is no franchise QB, he will probably barely get drafted. 
Alex Smith, while perhaps no worse in the short term, will never be better then what Flacco is today, at a much younger age. 

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Posted: 12/16/2012 3:46 PM

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Flacco used to not lose us games in his first couple years in the league but now he pretty much single handedly loses us games now that he's asked to do more.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 3:48 PM

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No better but more accurate. If Joe doesn't overthrow athird of the passes that he did this year than we are on top of the league and considered unstoppable.




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Posted: 12/16/2012 3:58 PM

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It wasn't that bad until today. Bad fans got what they asked for! Congrats.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 4:01 PM

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jonboy79 wrote:
20edreed wrote: I would franchise and trade Flacco and our 1st to the chiefs or Cards for a 1st  this year and take Geno Smith.  sign Alex Smith to a 2 year 15 mil deal.  We will have our franchise QB and say in contention in the playoffs


I see no benefit in doing so. 

Geno Smith is no franchise QB, he will probably barely get drafted. 
Alex Smith, while perhaps no worse in the short term, will never be better then what Flacco is today, at a much younger age. 

Geno Smith has been the 1st QB taken in many of mocks.  I doubt that plays out...but I definitely think he goes 1st round.   Not saying I want him..
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Posted: 12/16/2012 4:12 PM

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DieHardRavensFan17 wrote:
jonboy79 wrote:
20edreed wrote: I would franchise and trade Flacco and our 1st to the chiefs or Cards for a 1st  this year and take Geno Smith.  sign Alex Smith to a 2 year 15 mil deal.  We will have our franchise QB and say in contention in the playoffs


I see no benefit in doing so. 

Geno Smith is no franchise QB, he will probably barely get drafted. 
Alex Smith, while perhaps no worse in the short term, will never be better then what Flacco is today, at a much younger age. 

Geno Smith has been the 1st QB taken in many of mocks.  I doubt that plays out...but I definitely think he goes 1st round.   Not saying I want him..
Geno Smith has been Phenomenal with a bad O-line. His one downside is that he relies on the deep pass all too often.

I think he'll be the first QB taken in the draft, pretty easily actually.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 4:14 PM

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Kirk Cousins in his 1st start as a rookie (away), goes 26-37 329 yds with 2TD's and Flacco after 5 yrs still can't figure it out!

Give Washington our 1st round pick and get Cousins as long as we have an OC who knows what they are doing.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 4:19 PM

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prycelessD wrote:
DieHardRavensFan17 wrote:
jonboy79 wrote:
20edreed wrote: I would franchise and trade Flacco and our 1st to the chiefs or Cards for a 1st  this year and take Geno Smith.  sign Alex Smith to a 2 year 15 mil deal.  We will have our franchise QB and say in contention in the playoffs


I see no benefit in doing so. 

Geno Smith is no franchise QB, he will probably barely get drafted. 
Alex Smith, while perhaps no worse in the short term, will never be better then what Flacco is today, at a much younger age. 

Geno Smith has been the 1st QB taken in many of mocks.  I doubt that plays out...but I definitely think he goes 1st round.   Not saying I want him..
Geno Smith has been Phenomenal with a bad O-line. His one downside is that he relies on the deep pass all too often.

I think he'll be the first QB taken in the draft, pretty easily actually.
wow, thats pretty pathetic, I knew this draft class was bad, but THAT BAD?  Smith is a 5th rounder in most drafts.  He completely fell apart the second half of the year.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 4:21 PM

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Kirk Cousins in his 1st start as a rookie (away), goes 26-37 329 yds with 2TD's and Flacco after 5 yrs still can't figure it out!

Give Washington our 1st round pick and get Cousins as long as we have an OC who knows what they are doing.

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Posted: 12/16/2012 4:44 PM

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jonboy79 wrote:
wow, thats pretty pathetic, I knew this draft class was bad, but THAT BAD?  Smith is a 5th rounder in most drafts.  He completely fell apart the second half of the year.
RG3 was projected to be a 4th-5th rounder and rose late in the year to be the 2nd pick in the draft and its is working out very well for the Redskins.  

Cam Newton wasn't even on the draft radar before he transferred to Auburn  he went 1st overall great rookie year, is having a sophmore slump but is playing very well lately.

Geno is a risk but he has HUGE potential and if we can take a risk in the first round on a 1-AA QB than I'm williing to take a risk on the consensus #1 QB
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Posted: 12/16/2012 4:52 PM

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Question, if we franchise Flacco doesn't another team have to give up two first rounders to sign him?

If that is the case how does Franchising Flacco help to set his market value? No team is going to go all in AND give up two picks.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 4:54 PM

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akacrow wrote: Question, if we franchise Flacco doesn't another team have to give up two first rounders to sign him?

If that is the case how does Franchising Flacco help to set his market value? No team is going to go all in AND give up two picks.
That's if they sign him prior to Flacco signing a franchise tender.

We can trade him for any value after he signs his franchise tender.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 4:56 PM

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I wish we could've used our 3rd round pick on Russell Wilson...
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Posted: 12/16/2012 4:57 PM

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Would you take the Chiefs 2nd round pick for Flacco? I might..
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Posted: 12/16/2012 5:00 PM

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prycelessD wrote:
akacrow wrote: Question, if we franchise Flacco doesn't another team have to give up two first rounders to sign him?

If that is the case how does Franchising Flacco help to set his market value? No team is going to go all in AND give up two picks.
That's if they sign him prior to Flacco signing a franchise tender.

We can trade him for any value after he signs his franchise tender.
If he signs the tender Flacco is off the market unless the FO trades him?  If that is the case, let him hit FA.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 5:01 PM

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DieHardRavensFan17 wrote: Would you take the Chiefs 2nd round pick for Flacco? I might..
We could probably trade Flacco and a 3rd to the Cards for their top 5-8 pick.  Chiefs would have to give up a 2nd and 3rd this year and a conditional 2nd next year that could become a 1st
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Posted: 12/16/2012 5:05 PM

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20edreed wrote:
DieHardRavensFan17 wrote: Would you take the Chiefs 2nd round pick for Flacco? I might..
We could probably trade Flacco and a 3rd to the Cards for their top 5-8 pick.  Chiefs would have to give up a 2nd and 3rd this year and a conditional 2nd next year that could become a 1st
Sign me up for any of those deals.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 6:05 PM

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BaltimoreReeds wrote: It wasn't that bad until today. Bad fans got what they asked for! Congrats.
I'm sorry, but please define "bad fans", are they just people you don't agree with about Flacco?  If so, grow up.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 6:14 PM

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monkeybutlerz wrote:
BaltimoreReeds wrote: It wasn't that bad until today. Bad fans got what they asked for! Congrats.
I'm sorry, but please define "bad fans", are they just people you don't agree with about Flacco?  If so, grow up.
Most of us "bad fans" would LOVE to eat crow and have Flacco live up to his Top-5 Billing.  But, he is proving us "bad fans" right week after week.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 6:26 PM

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I've been a Flacco supporter up until this week.  His pick six turned the game today.  That's 10 out of the last 12 quarters that he's stunk up the place, and 6 of those 10 quarters were at home.

How much do you pay him now.  I think he's played his way down to $12 M per season for 6-7 years.  Otherwise, you franchise him and trade him for anyone's 2nd round pick.  Then you sign Alex Smith or equivalent.

I'm in favor of letting Ray Ray, Reed, and Q go too.  That would save about $20 M a year and you can use it on a pass rushing DE and a QB.  Draft an ILB, a safety, and an OG or a LT and you've rebuilt the team in one year.  We just can't afford those 4 guys (including Flacco) any more.  Their level of play doesn't justify it.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 6:43 PM

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I'm in favor of letting Ray Ray, Reed, and Q go too.  That would save about $20 M a year and you can use it on a pass rushing DE and a QB.  Draft an ILB, a safety, and an OG or a LT and you've rebuilt the team in one year.  We just can't afford those 4 guys (including Flacco) any more.  Their level of play doesn't justify it.


I second that - we cannot afford to reminisce on what these players were and pay them that kind of money. Overpaying for aging stars will get a franchise in trouble very quickly. We need to rebuild the defense which would at least keep us in games. The Ravens defense is like baked cookies - hard on the outside and soft in the middle.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 7:32 PM

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BaltimoreReeds wrote: It wasn't that bad until today. Bad fans got what they asked for! Congrats.
I'm sorry, but please define "bad fans", are they just people you don't agree with about Flacco?  If so, grow up.

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No you ASSUMED wrong.

I was talking about the types that want him to fail. Trust me there's plenty of people that think this way.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 7:40 PM

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monkeybutlerz wrote:
BaltimoreReeds wrote: It wasn't that bad until today. Bad fans got what they asked for! Congrats.
I'm sorry, but please define "bad fans", are they just people you don't agree with about Flacco?  If so, grow up.
Most of us "bad fans" would LOVE to eat crow and have Flacco live up to his Top-5 Billing.  But, he is proving us "bad fans" right week after week.

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He was top 8-10. Then the problems and negativity happened like Baltimore does best.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 7:55 PM

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DieHardRavensFan17 wrote: Would you take the Chiefs 2nd round pick for Flacco? I might..
Nah. I'm not convinced that there's anyone out there in FA or the draft this year that is going to be an improvement over Flacco. Maybe a trade with Seattle for Flynn, but I'd rather stick with the proven commodity.

We know Flacco can win games - he got us to the AFC championship game and agonizingly close to a Super Bowl berth with Cam Cameron's offense after all. I think we're just coming around to the realization that Joe's ceiling is as an average to slightly above-average starter in the league. I think he's good enough to win us a Super Bowl, he's just going to need a good-to-great offensive line to do it. Losing Grubbs, Birk falling apart in front of our eyes, and Oher getting shifted back to LT have taken its toll. Overhaul our offensive line (which we need to do anyway no matter who we have under center) and give Flacco the extra time he needs to make plays.

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Posted: 12/16/2012 8:03 PM

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Ben lost again to the cowboys and now likely won't make the playoffs. He sucks. Rookie mistake.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 8:05 PM

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The issue with Flacco is that his agent is demanding $18 M a season and he's only worth about $12 M per season.  That's a huge difference.  Until the last few weeks, I would have reluctantly given him $14-15 M a year over 7 years.  Not anymore.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 8:13 PM

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DieHardRavensFan17 wrote:
monkeybutlerz wrote:
BaltimoreReeds wrote: It wasn't that bad until today. Bad fans got what they asked for! Congrats.
I'm sorry, but please define "bad fans", are they just people you don't agree with about Flacco?  If so, grow up.
Most of us "bad fans" would LOVE to eat crow and have Flacco live up to his Top-5 Billing.  But, he is proving us "bad fans" right week after week.

I'm a bad fan then.

Seriously, many of us weren't big on Flacco to begin with (myself included) but we wanted Flacco to prove us wrong.  It makes no sense to say "I told you so" because it would mean bad things for our team, as is evident in the last couple of weeks.  I will say that I'm glad this is happening now rather than later because it will/should save the Ravens from making a long term big money commitment to a QB that's not a legit franchise QB. 

However, I will say that if the coaches call better plays and rely on Flacco for what he is (a game manager) and not rely on him to carry the team then the Ravens will be fine.  That would mean more carries for Ray Rice and being a grind it out team with a strong Defense.

In all honesty, someone like an Alex Smith would be ideal because they won't rely on him to carry the team and they'll rely more on Rice and the Defense to carry the team. 

BTW - Geno Smith is the only QB with a 1st Round grade.  I think he's going to be crap in the NFL.  I'm more on Barkley but USC hasn't exactly produced many good QBs lately, so that's iffy...this isn't the year to draft a QB.  Not even close...keep that in mind when considering other QB options for next season and possibly after...

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Posted: 12/16/2012 8:28 PM

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5 years in a row making the playoffs.

Enough said.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 8:30 PM

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No it's not.  Your routine is so old.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 8:54 PM

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No it's not.  Your routine is so old.

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Check the standings. They clinched. How did Ben do with his number one defense?
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Posted: 12/16/2012 9:00 PM

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I honestly believe most of your posts are meant as jokes.  There really is no way you are serious with some of this stuff, or maybe I should say I hope you aren't serious.
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