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It wasn't all Flacco's fault

Posted: 12/3/2012 1:37 PM

It wasn't all Flacco's fault 


Sure Joe stunk up the place yesterday and still shows poor pocket awareness, but he had plenty of help in losing this game. The coaching sucked(is the FO ever going to wise up and dump Cameron?), the Oline gave him very little time, but my primary complaint are the Ravens wideouts, in particular Torrey Smith. IMHO, he's the most overrated player on this team. He makes a big play every couple weeks and everyone talks about him like he's the next Randy Moss, but all too often he disappears in big games. Yesterday he looked like he was playing blindfolded. I remember the one play where Flacco went deep and Smith for some reason cut his route short by about 5 yards. If he had kept going the ball would've been there(although he probably would've dropped it).
And its not just this year. It seems like every year in the post season, whether it's Lee Evans, Bouldin, Houshmansadeh, Mason, one of the Ravens WR's always drops a clutch pass, but Flacco is always labelled as the choke artist. Don't the wideouts deserve some of the blame?
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Posted: 12/3/2012 1:40 PM

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MAYBE if our inept coaching staff called for torrey to run a different route than "hey just go deep" he maybe a little better, and become a more well rounded receiver.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 1:43 PM

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I don't know who gets what percentage of the blame, but I agree it's not all Flacco.  Sometimes Torrey Smith looks like he has never played WR in his life - he jumps for balls too early, he is always looking over the wrong shoulder, and he cuts routes short for some reason.  He is so darn raw that he still seems to be learning the nuances of the position.

Having said that, a 5th year quatrerback should not be throwing a lame duck right into Ryan Clark's hands and his pocket awareness has approved by 0.0 percent.  This garbage should have been out of his system by now.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 1:43 PM

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No it's not, but much of it is. That's what QBing means.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 1:43 PM

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twazl634 wrote: MAYBE if our inept coaching staff called for torrey to run a different route than "hey just go deep" he maybe a little better, and become a more well rounded receiver.

You're probably right, and I hope Cameron's gone after this year. But you can't blame the coaching staff when receivers drop passes right in their hands, which seems to happen every year in the post season
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Posted: 12/3/2012 1:45 PM

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just be glad chuck overthrew a WIDE OPEN target in the endzone, and another receiver drop an easy td,who was alos wide open

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Posted: 12/3/2012 1:46 PM

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you have a aright to your opinion but, you take Torrey away from this offense and we are 6-6. If you think "Im an Elite quarterback is being expose now. This would have occurred way before now.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 2:19 PM

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I thought the blame should be about equal on Flacco, the WRs, the line, and Cam.

Remember Cam has the power to call plays specifically to get his QB in rhythm on the opening couple of drives. Quick slants, rubs, bunch formations.... there's a dozen different things he can do to make it easy on Joe to hit his stride. Once Joe is comfortable he's alright but he is a SLOW starter sometimes. As an OC it's not only YOUR JOB to know that, but to help your offense find that Rhythm. I know it's an excuse, but I honestly believe Joe has lost faith in Cam a long time ago, and that manifests itself in horrible offensive performances.

Torrey is erratic... don't know how else to put it. He's not consistent on how he finishes his routes. He doesn't have a feel for going up and getting the ball at the highest point. He's got some work to do to fulfill his potential, that's for sure. Boldin is Joe's rock, but he can't do it all.

Now we can just wait for R&T to come in and tell us we're all stupid, cause it was 99.9999% Joe's fault.
 
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Posted: 12/3/2012 2:20 PM

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I usually defend Joe, maybe to a fault.  But, last night was not a good night for Flacco nor his receivers, nor the coaching, nor the defense.

After the first quarter I turned to my buddy and said Flacco definately seemed off his game.  His short passes were high and his long passes were short. 

And there is no excuse for that sack/fumble, which turned the game.  In that situation, you must know you have a 7 point lead in the 4th quarter.  You must know that after 4 seconds you are likely to get hit from behind.  You have two choices at that point.  Throw it away or take off and run with it.  He seemed totally unaware of anything around him.

Which brings me to another point.  Why is he pretty much the only quarterback in the NFL that refuses to take off and run when guys are covered and there is a large piece of uncovered realestate right in fronto of him?  Damn, if he would just run once in a while he could get those back breaking first downs that just demoralize a defense.  But, no, there he stands like a statue.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 2:26 PM

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Joe used to run a lot. Then he stopped. I think its a coaching thing.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 2:53 PM

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Of course it wasn't all Flacco's fault. The entire team sucked yesterday from top to bottom.

Joe was still really bad yesterday. Overthrowing/underthrowing receivers. There were at least 3 deep balls that he underthrew Torrey on. Plays where Torrey had a step on the defender. He air mailed 3 passes in the 1st quarter alone. Easy first downs if he throws a catchable ball. Of course the outcome is probably different if his receivers hold onto the ball. But Flacco still struggled regardless of the dropped passes.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 4:19 PM

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The whole team sucked.  Flacco included.   

I think the problem is, this teams offensive problems are synergystic, as are its successes.

A receiver cuts off a route, or drops a ball.  Helps kill a drive.

Then Flacco throws some bad balls - maybe trying to adjust to the mistakes before, maybe just stucking - but he kills some drives.

We run on 1st down and get little or not positive yards.  Kills a drive.

We aren't a team that is great at moving on from mistakes or successes.   When we're hot - we're HOT.  We we go cold . . . we go ice cold.

I don't think Cameron deserves ALL the grief he gets, but I agree with whoever said part of his job is to get that Rhythm going.   

We don't use crossing routes or slants or screens enough.   I think part of it is the Cameron/MartyBall/Billick Ball mode of relying on the run game to get going to take the heat off passing game.   And when the run game is going, its going.  I think we saw that yesterday.  But when teh run game stalls - or they forget to use it - we're in trouble because we don't use enough of those short pass plays that are high percentage and like an extension of the run game.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 5:13 PM

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ClericBlackDave wrote:

The whole team sucked.  Flacco included.   

I think the problem is, this teams offensive problems are synergystic, as are its successes.

A receiver cuts off a route, or drops a ball.  Helps kill a drive.

Then Flacco throws some bad balls - maybe trying to adjust to the mistakes before, maybe just stucking - but he kills some drives.

We run on 1st down and get little or not positive yards.  Kills a drive.

We aren't a team that is great at moving on from mistakes or successes.   When we're hot - we're HOT.  We we go cold . . . we go ice cold.

I don't think Cameron deserves ALL the grief he gets, but I agree with whoever said part of his job is to get that Rhythm going.   

We don't use crossing routes or slants or screens enough.   I think part of it is the Cameron/MartyBall/Billick Ball mode of relying on the run game to get going to take the heat off passing game.   And when the run game is going, its going.  I think we saw that yesterday.  But when teh run game stalls - or they forget to use it - we're in trouble because we don't use enough of those short pass plays that are high percentage and like an extension of the run game.

The game plan yesterday was 100% perfect. Our WRs were behind their secondary all day. Flacco just failed in the biggest of ways in the second half.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 6:06 PM

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RavenzNTerps wrote:
ClericBlackDave wrote:

The whole team sucked.  Flacco included.   

I think the problem is, this teams offensive problems are synergystic, as are its successes.

A receiver cuts off a route, or drops a ball.  Helps kill a drive.

Then Flacco throws some bad balls - maybe trying to adjust to the mistakes before, maybe just stucking - but he kills some drives.

We run on 1st down and get little or not positive yards.  Kills a drive.

We aren't a team that is great at moving on from mistakes or successes.   When we're hot - we're HOT.  We we go cold . . . we go ice cold.

I don't think Cameron deserves ALL the grief he gets, but I agree with whoever said part of his job is to get that Rhythm going.   

We don't use crossing routes or slants or screens enough.   I think part of it is the Cameron/MartyBall/Billick Ball mode of relying on the run game to get going to take the heat off passing game.   And when the run game is going, its going.  I think we saw that yesterday.  But when teh run game stalls - or they forget to use it - we're in trouble because we don't use enough of those short pass plays that are high percentage and like an extension of the run game.

The game plan yesterday was 100% perfect. Our WRs were behind their secondary all day. Flacco just failed in the biggest of ways in the second half.
So when it's obvious your QB is off and the ground game is working, and when its also obvious your defense can't stop a 38 year old 3rd string QB, that's when you run the damn ball, let RR take over, let your D rest, and control the clock. But again, Cam's more interested in making Joe a superstar than winning games.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 6:14 PM

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Buckpasser wrote: you have a aright to your opinion but, you take Torrey away from this offense and we are 6-6.
How the hell do you figure that? Smith usually disappears 2-3 games at a time, makes one big time catch then disappears again for another couple weeks. How would the team be 6-6 w/o him?
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Posted: 12/3/2012 6:24 PM

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Ravnfan4life wrote:
RavenzNTerps wrote:
ClericBlackDave wrote:

The whole team sucked.  Flacco included.   

I think the problem is, this teams offensive problems are synergystic, as are its successes.

A receiver cuts off a route, or drops a ball.  Helps kill a drive.

Then Flacco throws some bad balls - maybe trying to adjust to the mistakes before, maybe just stucking - but he kills some drives.

We run on 1st down and get little or not positive yards.  Kills a drive.

We aren't a team that is great at moving on from mistakes or successes.   When we're hot - we're HOT.  We we go cold . . . we go ice cold.

I don't think Cameron deserves ALL the grief he gets, but I agree with whoever said part of his job is to get that Rhythm going.   

We don't use crossing routes or slants or screens enough.   I think part of it is the Cameron/MartyBall/Billick Ball mode of relying on the run game to get going to take the heat off passing game.   And when the run game is going, its going.  I think we saw that yesterday.  But when teh run game stalls - or they forget to use it - we're in trouble because we don't use enough of those short pass plays that are high percentage and like an extension of the run game.

The game plan yesterday was 100% perfect. Our WRs were behind their secondary all day. Flacco just failed in the biggest of ways in the second half.
So when it's obvious your QB is off and the ground game is working, and when its also obvious your defense can't stop a 38 year old 3rd string QB, that's when you run the damn ball, let RR take over, let your D rest, and control the clock. But again, Cam's more interested in making Joe a superstar than winning games.

Ray Rice had a 34 yard run which he bounced outside after being bottled up and an 11 yard run. Take those 2 away and he had what 10 carries for 30 yards? It's not like we were picking up huge chunks on the ground. Running into a wall would have been way more foolish than the alternativef.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 6:47 PM

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If Joe would have any sorta consistency with his accuracy. I used to back Joe and give him the benefit of the doubt but watching him recently with all HIS talk.. its just brutal. True the gameplan/generic WR routes def hurt but I dont know how Torrey can be faulted. Joe throws him terrible balls.
Joe has regressed honestly, idk what his problem is.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 7:10 PM

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It's so frustrating because I've watched every snap of this season, and I still can't tell if the offensive problems are because of Flacco or Cameron... or both.  When they get into a rhythm, they have the pieces for a good offense, but something is off.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 7:28 PM

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How can you just throw away the good plays in your analysis? They happened. It is the height of absurdity. The coaches you praise put the game in the hands of the quarterback you hate and yet you still somehow defend them. In the matchup of wits between lebeau and cam, someone is playing chess and someone is playing checkers. Guess who is who.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 7:32 PM

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defense wasnt even close the receivers...they give up almost 300 yrds to a 3rd string QB...10 minute time of possession difference...i think the team AND the fans were overconfident going into yesterday. I know I was.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 7:46 PM

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ravenmaniac wrote: defense wasnt even close the receivers...they give up almost 300 yrds to a 3rd string QB...10 minute time of possession difference...i think the team AND the fans were overconfident going into yesterday. I know I was.

Well you're a fool then.  It's a team game and this isn't the 2000 Ravens defense.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 9:00 PM

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RavenzNTerps wrote:
The game plan yesterday was 100% perfect. Our WRs were behind their secondary all day. Flacco just failed in the biggest of ways in the second half.
Aaaaaannnnndd, what did I say?  RnT, you found a way to put this solely on the same 1 guy out of 25 again!  Did he sleep with your girl or something?  1 guy doing this every week on multiple threads is like someone beating a dead horse, with a broken record, all day on groundhog day... ad nausium.  Calling your posts predictable is like calling Ray Lewis' career OK.

By your own admission, the running game was terrible except for 2 plays.  The line wasn't good.  The WRs made numerous mistakes including Torrey inexplicably slowing his route with the ball thrown well to hit him in full stride for a TD.  The OC didn't get the team in a rhythm or use the myriad of short passes available to him to help his QB (during his "perfect" game plan.)  And last, but not least the QB played poorly, wasn't accurate and took a needless sack.  Yet, according to you, it's squarely in the lap of the QB.  

Admit you're so biased you can't see straight whenever #5 is involved.
 
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Posted: 12/3/2012 9:23 PM

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TonyZXT wrote:
RavenzNTerps wrote:
The game plan yesterday was 100% perfect. Our WRs were behind their secondary all day. Flacco just failed in the biggest of ways in the second half.
Aaaaaannnnndd, what did I say?  RnT, you found a way to put this solely on the same 1 guy out of 25 again!  Did he sleep with your girl or something?  1 guy doing this every week on multiple threads is like someone beating a dead horse, with a broken record, all day on groundhog day... ad nausium.  Calling your posts predictable is like calling Ray Lewis' career OK.

By your own admission, the running game was terrible except for 2 plays.  The line wasn't good.  The WRs made numerous mistakes including Torrey inexplicably slowing his route with the ball thrown well to hit him in full stride for a TD.  The OC didn't get the team in a rhythm or use the myriad of short passes available to him to help his QB (during his "perfect" game plan.)  And last, but not least the QB played poorly, wasn't accurate and took a needless sack.  Yet, according to you, it's squarely in the lap of the QB.  

Admit you're so biased you can't see straight whenever #5 is involved.

Of course it is, the offense, anyway yesterday. He was awful. The Steelers showed him no respect and he proved why.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 9:53 PM

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RavenzNTerps wrote:
TonyZXT wrote:
RavenzNTerps wrote:
The game plan yesterday was 100% perfect. Our WRs were behind their secondary all day. Flacco just failed in the biggest of ways in the second half.
Aaaaaannnnndd, what did I say?  RnT, you found a way to put this solely on the same 1 guy out of 25 again!  Did he sleep with your girl or something?  1 guy doing this every week on multiple threads is like someone beating a dead horse, with a broken record, all day on groundhog day... ad nausium.  Calling your posts predictable is like calling Ray Lewis' career OK.

By your own admission, the running game was terrible except for 2 plays.  The line wasn't good.  The WRs made numerous mistakes including Torrey inexplicably slowing his route with the ball thrown well to hit him in full stride for a TD.  The OC didn't get the team in a rhythm or use the myriad of short passes available to him to help his QB (during his "perfect" game plan.)  And last, but not least the QB played poorly, wasn't accurate and took a needless sack.  Yet, according to you, it's squarely in the lap of the QB.  

Admit you're so biased you can't see straight whenever #5 is involved.

Of course it is, the offense, anyway yesterday. He was awful. The Steelers showed him no respect and he proved why.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:24 PM

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i'm just in utter disbelief that anyone is currently excusing Flacco's horrendous play yesterday.

What's worse will be the "I TOLD YOU SO" crowd that comes out next week when he plays decently against Washington.

Spoiler alert: he'll probably have a good game against Washington.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:37 PM

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Ravnfan4life wrote: Sure Joe stunk up the place yesterday and still shows poor pocket awareness, but he had plenty of help in losing this game. The coaching sucked(is the FO ever going to wise up and dump Cameron?), the Oline gave him very little time, but my primary complaint are the Ravens wideouts, in particular Torrey Smith. IMHO, he's the most overrated player on this team. He makes a big play every couple weeks and everyone talks about him like he's the next Randy Moss, but all too often he disappears in big games. Yesterday he looked like he was playing blindfolded. I remember the one play where Flacco went deep and Smith for some reason cut his route short by about 5 yards. If he had kept going the ball would've been there(although he probably would've dropped it).
And its not just this year. It seems like every year in the post season, whether it's Lee Evans, Bouldin, Houshmansadeh, Mason, one of the Ravens WR's always drops a clutch pass, but Flacco is always labelled as the choke artist. Don't the wideouts deserve some of the blame?
Youre right, I blame the scouts.

They need to be drafting/signing receivers that can catch flaccos passes after they re-enter the atmosphere.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:55 PM

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No other QB can claim making the playoffs and winning at least a playoff game for this many consecutive years.  He's on pace to do it again.  People just feel entitled to see video game stats on a daily basis. 

Hate to say it but he's not going to put up 55 points or outplay Tom Brady EVERY GAME but he did both of them this season.

I wouldn't take any other QB in the division.  Not only is he the most consistent but he's also not an injury concern or off field problems.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:58 PM

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BaltimoreReeds wrote: No other QB can claim making the playoffs and winning at least a playoff game for this many consecutive years.  He's on pace to do it again.  People just feel entitled to see video game stats on a daily basis. 

Hate to say it but he's not going to put up 55 points or outplay Tom Brady EVERY GAME but he did both of them this season.

I wouldn't take any other QB in the division.  Not only is he the most consistent but he's also not an injury concern or off field problems.
He was put in the best position of any rookie QB in recent memory. Don't give a **** about putting up 55 points. Don't give a **** about other qbs in the division. THe Steelers showed him absolutely no respect and he did nothing to make them pay. That should tell you what you need to know. He is what he is a painfully average QB.

PS Mark Sanchez has played in 2 AFC Championship Games so it's not like strong QB play is a requirement for making an occasional run.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 12:06 AM

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RavenzNTerps wrote:
BaltimoreReeds wrote: No other QB can claim making the playoffs and winning at least a playoff game for this many consecutive years.  He's on pace to do it again.  People just feel entitled to see video game stats on a daily basis. 

Hate to say it but he's not going to put up 55 points or outplay Tom Brady EVERY GAME but he did both of them this season.

I wouldn't take any other QB in the division.  Not only is he the most consistent but he's also not an injury concern or off field problems.
He was put in the best position of any rookie QB in recent memory. Don't give a **** about putting up 55 points. Don't give a **** about other qbs in the division. THe Steelers showed him absolutely no respect and he did nothing to make them pay. That should tell you what you need to know. He is what he is a painfully average QB.

PS Mark Sanchez has played in 2 AFC Championship Games so it's not like strong QB play is a requirement for making an occasional run.
...and where is Sanchez now?  Where was he last year?  Flukes can happen once or twice.  Not 5 years and growing in the middle of the most challenging season and his best season.

Bad analogy.

Mr. RavenzNTerps, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 6:58 AM

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It's hard to put the blame on any one person when the TEAM has so many issues, coaches included. Flacco to me gets a bit of a hall pass until the line gets fixed, we can't run or pass the ball. Flacco isn't a top 5 QB, but he probably is top ten talent, and you just don't throw that away without trying outher options first, like a new offensive coordinator, so I think Cam needs to go.

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Posted: 12/4/2012 7:44 AM

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Flacco was definately off his game on Sunday.  Usually, if that happens it is an away game.  We are not used to seeing that at home.  But again, it was't just him.  As pointed out, it was the entire team. 

However, those are the times when you need your quarterback to step up and lead the team.  As of yet, I don't see Joe capable of rallying the troops and getting it straightened out when things are going badly.  He just seems to be more of the "just one of the guys" types.  Ideally, you want your quarterback to be the unquestioned leader.  It is obvious he is not.  All you have to do is watch when the offense is introduced.  He is not the first nor the last introduced.  He is just one of the offensive players.

That is what I want him to change.  Take control of the damn team!  Demand perfection in the running routes.  Demand perfection from the line.  Demand perfection from yourself.  And work at it until it is perfect.  That is what the great ones do.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 8:03 AM

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It's December; we have used Ray Rice sparingly (up to this point) can we please start running the ball more (with some authority)?

How I long for our 3 headed running attack of a few years ago.

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Posted: 12/4/2012 8:30 AM

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RavenzNTerps wrote: i'm just in utter disbelief that anyone is currently excusing Flacco's horrendous play yesterday.

What's worse will be the "I TOLD YOU SO" crowd that comes out next week when he plays decently against Washington.

Spoiler alert: he'll probably have a good game against Washington.

RnT...here we are again, which I knew we would be as soon as I saw the title of the thread. I dont find your rantings in any other threads except the ones where it has the words QB or Flacco or Offense in them. Nobody on these boards thinks/believes/fantasizes that Joe Flacco is elite. But we dont need your constant bombardment in every thread pertaining to Joe. So do yourself a favor, just stop.

Flacco's numbers sucked for being at home, but this is the freaking Pittsburgh Steelers who is still rated #1 in both Total Defense/Passing and #5 vs the Run.
Nobody here is excusing JF's performance, since he is an average QB to start, but this game was not lost because of him. Yes, he miscued, but no more than the rest of the team on both sides of the ball. The offense put up an ample amount of points to win this game vs Charlie freaking Batch. The defense has to take some of the blame for allowing the WRs to constantly be wide open, and not tackling worth a damn.

You cant POSSIBLY be so biased vs JF that you actually believe what you say...not this time.

         

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Posted: 12/4/2012 12:37 PM

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No woodley. No Taylor. Defense literally was focused on takin rice out of the game and not giving Flacco any respect. They were proven right.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 12:47 PM

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braven98 wrote: just be glad chuck overthrew a WIDE OPEN target in the endzone, and another receiver drop an easy td,who was alos wide open
Great point. If Sanders scores and Batch is on target, the Steelers blow us away... don't forget about the redzone Ed Reed pick too. That is possibly another 3 points. The game could have been 37-20.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 2:22 PM

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There's lots if ifs every game. If we don't turn it over then we win.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 2:31 PM

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BaltimoreReeds wrote: There's lots if ifs every game. If we don't turn it over then we win.

BINGO!!!!!
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Posted: 12/4/2012 2:51 PM

RE: It wasn't all Flacco's fault 


Turnovers has an effect on the outcome of a game, but to say it is the be all end all, not so much. Pitt turned the ball over 3 times and we turned it over twice. Flacco being stripped was a factor that cost us the game, not the only reason. The fumble by Saunders(?) was a gift, Pitt left 7 points on the field and gave us possession on that play alone.

The Browns are +7 in the turnover ratio, The Colts are -16. Yes these differentials affect each teams record, although from their respective win/loss ratio there is obviously other factors.
 
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Posted: 12/4/2012 3:27 PM

RE: It wasn't all Flacco's fault 



RavenzNTerps wrote: No woodley. No Taylor. Defense literally was focused on takin rice out of the game and not giving Flacco any respect. They were proven right.
You're right...no Woodley, but Worilds had 5(?) sacks before the game even started. He isnt just your average replacement. No Taylor? Has he ever been in any of our ball games? He has 14 ints in 14 years and as far as I can remember, he only has one vs JF. I dont think he's the  game changer you make him out to be.

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Posted: 12/4/2012 3:39 PM

RE: It wasn't all Flacco's fault 



BuckinRavenstown wrote:
RavenzNTerps wrote: No woodley. No Taylor. Defense literally was focused on takin rice out of the game and not giving Flacco any respect. They were proven right.
You're right...no Woodley, but Worilds had 5(?) sacks before the game even started. He isnt just your average replacement. No Taylor? Has he ever been in any of our ball games? He has 14 ints in 14 years and as far as I can remember, he only has one vs JF. I dont think he's the  game changer you make him out to be.

Argument null and void
Ike Taylor isn't a "game changer" per se but he's definitely their best CB and they are not very deep at the position.

More importantly they stacked the line on every down and shadowed Rice in the passing game. Cam's response was to play more Pierce (to get the Steelers to switch out of their Rice-centric defense) and to open up the playcalling on the outside. He effectively called both (including several misdirection plays fake left throw right) to take advantage of a way over-agressive #43. It didn't work because Joe Flacco failed to execute, period. It is what it is. He's an average QB. Against good teams he'll struggle, against bad ones he won't and you'll get exactly what you'd expect out of an average QB. It just means we need to re-assess how we build the team going forward.
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