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Posted: 12/3/2012 8:55 AM

So, can we beat the Skins? 


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Posted: 12/3/2012 8:57 AM

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I say no. Based on our away play and the DC running game.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 8:57 AM

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Nope
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Posted: 12/3/2012 9:07 AM

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Well, it was a piss poor scheme vs. Batch. It was just too vanilla against a fossil QB. Where was the blitz packages? Where was any consistant pass rush at all?

With that synopsis, how could we expect the Ravens defense to contain RG3 from running all over the place? Who is gonna cover Santana Moss? Who is gonna step up and stop their rookie RB Morris?

On the other side of the ball, how is this offense gonna get moving? What coloring book is CC gonna use for this one? How many barn doors is JF gonna broadside this game? What quarter is CC gonna remove the running game?

         

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Posted: 12/3/2012 9:16 AM

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nope. RGIII will have a field day...and we all know its loud and tough to play on the road for our offense.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 9:17 AM

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IMO this is one of the situations where a loss like yesterday helps us. The players will be fired up next week, even Flacco, and Cam and Pees will do better. Going in 10-2 I could see us getting upset.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 9:18 AM

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Yeah maybe if they Giants injure a bunch of them tonight & Cam Cameron goes missing
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Posted: 12/3/2012 9:20 AM

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Yes.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 9:30 AM

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thanksart wrote: IMO this is one of the situations where a loss like yesterday helps us. The players will be fired up next week, even Flacco, and Cam and Pees will do better. Going in 10-2 I could see us getting upset.


         

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Posted: 12/3/2012 9:36 AM

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The loss definately helped us. The one thing everybody is forgetting is how awful their D is.  We can't go in and expect to play conservative and let the D win. We need to let Flacco and Rice take chances and win in a shoot out.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 9:45 AM

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We are beyond terrible on the road. Doesn't matter how bad the other teams defense is, we are that much worse on offense. RG3 is going to go nuts on our defense, our offense won't be able to keep up.

If our Special Teams scores or Defense can force turnovers we have a shot...but if this game comes down to quarterback play, we are ******.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:08 AM

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If Rice gets 20 carries or more and over 25 touches, the Ravens will win easily.  The odds makers have it as an even game right now.

http://www.footballlocks.com/nfl_odds.shtml
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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:10 AM

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DieHardRavensFan17 wrote: We are beyond terrible on the road. Doesn't matter how bad the other teams defense is, we are that much worse on offense. RG3 is going to go nuts on our defense, our offense won't be able to keep up.

If our Special Teams scores or Defense can force turnovers we have a shot...but if this game comes down to quarterback play, we are ******.
The Ravens are 4-2 on the road.  If that's "beyond terrible," I'd hate to see what you call the Eagles', Cardinals', Chiefs', Browns' and Jag's away performances!
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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:14 AM

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of course we will win

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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:22 AM

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Well I can't predict the future. I thought we would beat the Steelers, bt I was wrong. I always thought the Skins would be tough, no gimme for sure. Yeah the Ravens can beat the Skins and I hope this game left a really bad taste in their mouth. Bad enough to run the table. And that's the real question, who else can the Ravens beat? I'm not too hopeful about Denver. New York might be hot by the time we see them. Now that Pittsburgh got a win against us Cincinnati will want a piece of us too. I'm not feeling good about the second seed that's for sure, but that's with or without a win.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:22 AM

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RG3's stats are pretty amazing for a rookie or even a veteran QB.  The redskins future looks pretty good going forward.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/st...imeframe=ToDate

Just imagine if he were on a good team.  He's a very, very accurate thrower.  That's the most important stat for a QB, as Ron Jaworski always says.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:24 AM

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bmoreman wrote: Well I can't predict the future. I thought we would beat the Steelers, bt I was wrong. I always thought the Skins would be tough, no gimme for sure. Yeah the Ravens can beat the Skins and I hope this game left a really bad taste in their mouth. Bad enough to run the table. And that's the real question, who else can the Ravens beat? I'm not too hopeful about Denver. New York might be hot by the time we see them. Now that Pittsburgh got a win against us Cincinnati will want a piece of us too. I'm not feeling good about the second seed that's for sure, but that's with or without a win.
kiss that 2nd seed goodbye. we opened the door for the rest of the division, and Denver and New England.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:56 AM

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twazl634 wrote:
bmoreman wrote: Well I can't predict the future. I thought we would beat the Steelers, bt I was wrong. I always thought the Skins would be tough, no gimme for sure. Yeah the Ravens can beat the Skins and I hope this game left a really bad taste in their mouth. Bad enough to run the table. And that's the real question, who else can the Ravens beat? I'm not too hopeful about Denver. New York might be hot by the time we see them. Now that Pittsburgh got a win against us Cincinnati will want a piece of us too. I'm not feeling good about the second seed that's for sure, but that's with or without a win.
kiss that 2nd seed goodbye. we opened the door for the rest of the division, and Denver and New England.

I'm trying to be more optimistic than normal.  The rest of the division is still a pretty far cry off from having a shot at the AFCN crown.  We still have a 2 game lead over by the Steelers and Bengals with 4 games to play.  And they still play each other.  One of them can finish no better than 10-6, the other 11-5.  Pittsburgh has Chargers, @Cowboys, Bengals, and Browns left to play.  If they lose one of those games, they're out of (realistic) division contention.  The Bengals still play Cowboys, @Eagles, @Steelers, and us to close out the season.  They should lose at least two of those games.  We have @Washington, Denver, New York, @Bengals.  We just need 2 wins.  1 win, and a loss by both the Steelers and Bengals (one of which is guaranteed), and we still win the division, getting at least one home game.  We have the same or better division record than either of them.  We have a better conference record than both of them.  A tie with Pittsburgh will go to common opponents.  Their losses at Oakland and Cleveland will really hurt them.  A tie with Cincinatti (if we lose to them) will go to division record, which we already have over them.

We are still very much in control of the bye week (assuming we can get it together for the next 4 games).  If (and that is a mighty collossal IF) we can knock of Denver (I could barely type that one, but that's how the math works), we will hold the head-to-head over both New England and Denver, meaning any tie with them, we win (head to head in a three or more way tie is won by a team who has beaten every other team in the tie, or a team that has lost to everyone else is elminated from the tie breaker).

It's not time to panic.  Yet.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 1:40 PM

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We can beat anybody and can be beaten by anybody. This is the watered down garbage the NFL is becoming.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 1:45 PM

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To answer the OP's question - Yes, we can beat the Skins.  We can also lose to the Skins.  Welcome to the NFL.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 6:03 PM

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Trackmaster wrote: The loss definately helped us. The one thing everybody is forgetting is how awful their D is.  We can't go in and expect to play conservative and let the D win. We need to let Flacco and Rice take chances and win in a shoot out.
That's absolutely what we CAN'T do! This team needs to be MORE conservative on offense, run the ball 35-40x and keep RGIII of the field. The Ravens are not the Patriots, they're not the Texans, and they're not the Broncos. Every time Cam tries to "open things up" and go pass happy against a good team, it blows up in their face. Run the damn ball, wear down the Skins defense, control the clock, keep their explosive offense on the sidelines. It might not be flashy or exciting but that's how the Ravens win
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Posted: 12/3/2012 6:43 PM

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BuckinRavenstown wrote:
thanksart wrote: IMO this is one of the situations where a loss like yesterday helps us. The players will be fired up next week, even Flacco, and Cam and Pees will do better. Going in 10-2 I could see us getting upset.


Considering the fact that we haven't had a losing streak since the previous decade, I think that cartoon is a load of BS.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 7:04 PM

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Personally I feel RG3 is going to go to town on us.. hopefully I'm wrong
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Posted: 12/3/2012 7:09 PM

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DieHardRavensFan17 wrote: We are beyond terrible on the road. Doesn't matter how bad the other teams defense is, we are that much worse on offense. RG3 is going to go nuts on our defense, our offense won't be able to keep up.

If our Special Teams scores or Defense can force turnovers we have a shot...but if this game comes down to quarterback play, we are ******.
Im tired of hearing this myself. Im tired of the bashing of other teams when this team has its own damn issues that it cant solve.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 8:00 PM

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Ravnfan4life wrote:
Trackmaster wrote: The loss definately helped us. The one thing everybody is forgetting is how awful their D is.  We can't go in and expect to play conservative and let the D win. We need to let Flacco and Rice take chances and win in a shoot out.
That's absolutely what we CAN'T do! This team needs to be MORE conservative on offense, run the ball 35-40x and keep RGIII of the field. The Ravens are not the Patriots, they're not the Texans, and they're not the Broncos. Every time Cam tries to "open things up" and go pass happy against a good team, it blows up in their face. Run the damn ball, wear down the Skins defense, control the clock, keep their explosive offense on the sidelines. It might not be flashy or exciting but that's how the Ravens win
But I mean that's what all of the other teams have done. I'm not saying that getting the points and yards on the ground is out of the question, but we're going to have to play to their weaknesses, and keep up with RGIII.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 8:55 PM

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Trackmaster wrote:
Ravnfan4life wrote:
Trackmaster wrote: The loss definately helped us. The one thing everybody is forgetting is how awful their D is.  We can't go in and expect to play conservative and let the D win. We need to let Flacco and Rice take chances and win in a shoot out.
That's absolutely what we CAN'T do! This team needs to be MORE conservative on offense, run the ball 35-40x and keep RGIII of the field. The Ravens are not the Patriots, they're not the Texans, and they're not the Broncos. Every time Cam tries to "open things up" and go pass happy against a good team, it blows up in their face. Run the damn ball, wear down the Skins defense, control the clock, keep their explosive offense on the sidelines. It might not be flashy or exciting but that's how the Ravens win
But I mean that's what all of the other teams have done. I'm not saying that getting the points and yards on the ground is out of the question, but we're going to have to play to their weaknesses, and keep up with RGIII.
The reason why we cant do what other teams have done is because we have a QB that cant be trusted to be consistent game in game out, its just that simple. RR is the focal point in this offense, hes the biggest playmaker and the MOST CONSISTENT. We dont have the QB that can keep up in shootouts "on the road'. This offense is RR's offense, Cam has given Joe ample opportunities to show he can make plays with regularity and it blows up in Cam's face every time he tries to exploit the opposing secondary. Rice is the safest bet.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:39 PM

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Yes.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:17 PM

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Above average Coordinators could use this MNF game as great resource going into next weeks games.

My take, it will take 30 points to win
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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:20 PM

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From what im watching, and the way the defense gives up runs compounded by the injuries we have. I unfortunately think we will loose, hope the offense shows up!
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Posted: 12/4/2012 12:31 AM

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The 'Skins game is the probably the easiest one left in the regular season.  Our other games are the NYGs, the Broncos, and the Bengals at their place.  So we better hope the Ravens can win in DC.  If not, making the playoffs gets to be a lot tougher proposition.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 1:05 AM

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HEEEEEEEEAP wrote: To answer the OP's question - Yes, we can beat the Skins.  We can also lose to the Skins.  Welcome to the NFL.

Bingo.  Losing Suggs again will really hurt.  Next man up.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 8:07 AM

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GTRavens wrote:
BuckinRavenstown wrote:
thanksart wrote: IMO this is one of the situations where a loss like yesterday helps us. The players will be fired up next week, even Flacco, and Cam and Pees will do better. Going in 10-2 I could see us getting upset.




Considering the fact that we haven't had a losing streak since the previous decade, I think that cartoon is a load of BS.
The cartoon was for the post of the players/coaches being ready to play this game. But you think that the players along with the coaching staff will be "fired up" and ready to play this game? Cause its gonna take a much better performance to beat RG3 than they exhibited vs the old man Batch

Ok, I'll bite:

If you're the DC for this game, how do you plan to keep RG3 from killing your secondary who are playing like 12 yo boys in the backyard or the D-line who cant stop the run?
Now, without Suggs, who is gonna set the edge to keep RG3 from running all over the field at will?

If you're the OC, how do you scheme to get the offense to perform better than they have at an away game?

         

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Posted: 12/4/2012 8:45 AM

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BuckinRavenstown wrote:
GTRavens wrote:
BuckinRavenstown wrote:
thanksart wrote: IMO this is one of the situations where a loss like yesterday helps us. The players will be fired up next week, even Flacco, and Cam and Pees will do better. Going in 10-2 I could see us getting upset.




Considering the fact that we haven't had a losing streak since the previous decade, I think that cartoon is a load of BS.
The cartoon was for the post of the players/coaches being ready to play this game. But you think that the players along with the coaching staff will be "fired up" and ready to play this game? Cause its gonna take a much better performance to beat RG3 than they exhibited vs the old man Batch

Ok, I'll bite:

If you're the DC for this game, how do you plan to keep RG3 from killing your secondary who are playing like 12 yo boys in the backyard or the D-line who cant stop the run?
Now, without Suggs, who is gonna set the edge to keep RG3 from running all over the field at will?

If you're the OC, how do you scheme to get the offense to perform better than they have at an away game?
Didn't the Ravens just hold Philip Rivers and company to 13 points in their house, like, 9 days ago???

I said last week that we'd lose at least one more game this year, and when we did, fans would be jumping off of bridges and insisting our season was now doomed.

We were way overdue to play a lousy game at home.  It happens to just about every team, every season, sometimes against teams they should beat handily.  But I think it's a good idea to look back on the weeks before the Pitt game, and note how much better the D was playing.  The Ravens faced a Pitt team that may have been the most desperate we've ever faced.  The Skins, meanwhile, are still learning how to win, as their 6-6 record indicates - and have we lost to Shanahan since the 1990s?!?

It should be a fairly even game, as the oddsmakers say (it's a pick 'em in every book I've seen).  Looking forward to it...
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Posted: 12/4/2012 9:05 AM

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BMann...the freaking Chargers are 4-8 and their only 4 wins are against losing teams. Hell, even the Browns just beat them up. So I cant use that analogy.

I just dont see how the Ravens can pull out another win except maybe the last one vs the Bengals. Maybe I dont give them enough credit, but how are they going to contain RG3?

Which Manning Bro. are they going to beat?

I think the offense can put up enough points to win these games, but its the defense that concerns me vs these 3 QBs

Im not jumping, just realistic. Their best chance to sew up the division was last Sunday and they stunk it up. All they needed to do was win that one game, and than allow the starters to rest and get healthy. Im still disappointed

         

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Posted: 12/4/2012 10:01 AM

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Its the Qb that concerns me vs these QB's, as well as the pass rush. Hope we finally activate Hamilton, cause no way in hell will Kruger do this on his own.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 10:07 AM

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BMann wrote:
BuckinRavenstown wrote:
GTRavens wrote:
BuckinRavenstown wrote:
thanksart wrote: IMO this is one of the situations where a loss like yesterday helps us. The players will be fired up next week, even Flacco, and Cam and Pees will do better. Going in 10-2 I could see us getting upset.




Considering the fact that we haven't had a losing streak since the previous decade, I think that cartoon is a load of BS.
The cartoon was for the post of the players/coaches being ready to play this game. But you think that the players along with the coaching staff will be "fired up" and ready to play this game? Cause its gonna take a much better performance to beat RG3 than they exhibited vs the old man Batch

Ok, I'll bite:

If you're the DC for this game, how do you plan to keep RG3 from killing your secondary who are playing like 12 yo boys in the backyard or the D-line who cant stop the run?
Now, without Suggs, who is gonna set the edge to keep RG3 from running all over the field at will?

If you're the OC, how do you scheme to get the offense to perform better than they have at an away game?
Didn't the Ravens just hold Philip Rivers and company to 13 points in their house, like, 9 days ago???

I said last week that we'd lose at least one more game this year, and when we did, fans would be jumping off of bridges and insisting our season was now doomed.

We were way overdue to play a lousy game at home.  It happens to just about every team, every season, sometimes against teams they should beat handily.  But I think it's a good idea to look back on the weeks before the Pitt game, and note how much better the D was playing.  The Ravens faced a Pitt team that may have been the most desperate we've ever faced.  The Skins, meanwhile, are still learning how to win, as their 6-6 record indicates - and have we lost to Shanahan since the 1990s?!?

It should be a fairly even game, as the oddsmakers say (it's a pick 'em in every book I've seen).  Looking forward to it...
San Diego's offense is no where near as good as Washington's offense.  Fortunately, Washington's defense is no where near as good as San Diego's defense.

Should be a good game.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 10:33 AM

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I'm all for running the ball about 50 times
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Posted: 12/4/2012 10:36 AM

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I think people are just upset that RGIII cant throw a interception off his back foot like Joe can
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Posted: 12/4/2012 10:43 AM

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DiscoJamal wrote: I'm all for running the ball about 50 times

In case you haven't noticed, the Redskins have a pretty good rush defense, but an awful pass defense.  If you want to see a game full of Rice getting stuff behind the LOS, go with Rice, if you want to have a chance Flacco needs to have a big game.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 10:58 AM

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BMann wrote:
 
Didn't the Ravens just hold Philip Rivers and company to 13 points in their house, like, 9 days ago???

I said last week that we'd lose at least one more game this year, and when we did, fans would be jumping off of bridges and insisting our season was now doomed.

We were way overdue to play a lousy game at home.  It happens to just about every team, every season, sometimes against teams they should beat handily.  But I think it's a good idea to look back on the weeks before the Pitt game, and note how much better the D was playing.  The Ravens faced a Pitt team that may have been the most desperate we've ever faced.  The Skins, meanwhile, are still learning how to win, as their 6-6 record indicates - and have we lost to Shanahan since the 1990s?!?

It should be a fairly even game, as the oddsmakers say (it's a pick 'em in every book I've seen).  Looking forward to it...


Pats lost a close game to the FRICKING CARDINALS.   At home, in Foxborough, probably where they are at their optimal production in terms of their cheating, to boot.

Stuff happens.  This fanbase is so spoiled that its about to kill itself being 9-3.  We can lose out, be 9-7, and likely still in the tournament.

I dont want that to happen.  But if we split we're 11-5 and in good position.  Yeah, it'd be nice to win out.  But welcome to reality.

If the Pats can lose to a team like the Cardinals (losers of the last 8 straight games), we can lose to a team like the Eagles (falling apart at the seams) . . . then stuff can happen.

10-6 is a good NFL season - basically in a season that you lose a little more than 1/3 of your games makes a good season.   12-4 is great.  14-2 is AMAZING.  We hope for the best, but don't look a gift horse in the mouth here.

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