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Defense better without Lardarius Webb

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Posted: 11/29/2012 9:54 PM

Defense better without Lardarius Webb 


Indisputable, right? As joeshmoe points out, you need to consider the whole picture before you assume one player's absence or presence is the cause of changes in a unit's performance. And for all the people so convinced that Ray is a liability please explain why the first game without him (and Webb) was the beatdown it was.

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Posted: 11/29/2012 10:11 PM

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Ray still holds his own in the front seven, Texans.
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Posted: 11/29/2012 10:21 PM

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thanksart wrote:

Indisputable, right? As joeshmoe points out, you need to consider the whole picture before you assume one player's absence or presence is the cause of changes in a unit's performance. And for all the people so convinced that Ray is a liability please explain why the first game without him (and Webb) was the beatdown it was.

While we may be playing better defensively as a unit now compared to when Webby & Ray were healthy, you do indeed have to consider the entire picture.

My biggest issue with Ray is that he is now a situational player that now because of his legacy NOBODY IS BIG ENOUGH TO TREAT HIM AS SUCH! We have no issue with rotating linebackers like Jameel or Ellerbe on or off the field (depending on game situations) but ol' Ray Ray is a "no-no".

Look, Ray can still play football -- even the most anti-Ray folks can see that. The issue is that he has liabilities in his game that the team shouldn't have to play on the field with each-n-every play just because of who Ray has been to this organization.

As for Webb, he was without a doubt the best corner on our roster. The mixing and matching of secondary personnel to make up for his absence has been stellar (big kudos to Corey Graham stepping up). However, lets not mistake that Webby's overall game isn't missed here.

The biggest improvement in our defense (and really the biggest flaw we had in our defense period) has been the sturdiness or lack thereof of the defensive front-7. As we've improved in that area our team is able to play better 'team defense'. The return of Suggs has much to do with stabilizing things, but also guys like Kemo, Cody, Art Jones & DeAngelo Tyson have stepped up their respective games.

What folks have had a hard time comprehending is that the strength of the Ravens' D historically has always been the fact that we were sturdy against the run within our normal front-7. Its our defensive foundation. Thruout the years we've played with some good corners and some not-so-good corners. We've had strong pass-rush potential and sometimes not-so-good pass-rush potential. But the common thread was our stoutness. Simply put, its the foundation of what we do in our alignment (check the Steelers, they've got the same M.O. -- all sorts of different pieces defensively, but always stout in the front-7).

To close this, the writing is on the wall for Ray's return. I would seriously like for the coaches to tell him that he may be a part of the linebacker rotation (meaning, although he may start don't be surprised if there are personnel packages where you're on the sideline). Sadly, I don't think there's a coach big enough in the organization that could say that to him right now even if he felt that way.

Right now we're playing good solid team defense. Hopefully they continue to build off of the success of recent weeks. We'll see how things go.

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Posted: 11/30/2012 12:33 AM

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Are you Ray Lewis's cousin and your ego is hurt or something?
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Posted: 11/30/2012 1:09 AM

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canonian1 wrote: Are you Ray Lewis's cousin and your ego is hurt or something?
He's playing devil's advocate and doing a good job of illustrating that correlation =/= causation.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 4:13 AM

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Do you think the loss of Webb and Ray caused Pees to be a little more creative in his defensive scheming?

 

Do you also add the return of Suggs / Fitness of Ngata to that mix?

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Posted: 11/30/2012 5:47 AM

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MRGRIM wrote:

Do you think the loss of Webb and Ray caused Pees to be a little more creative in his defensive scheming?

 

Do you also add the return of Suggs / Fitness of Ngata to that mix?

Grim, I may be in the minority but I think that Pees was fairly creative even before Webby & Ray went down. The biggest issue was the fact that we really were having trouble matching up along the D-front against opposing teams. When you have that issue, then each called play by the offense can be a run or a pass (which forces you to be a bit more basic than you may like). Pees did show some creativity when opportunities lended themselves to it, but those spots were few and far between.

Now, with our D starting to become more stout, we force opponents into known down-n-distance situations -- which allows Pees to mix-n-match personnel and such...

PLUS you've got personnel in the game currently that for the most part are "team" oriented and don't have an issue coming off the field or being utilized as required. Earlier in the season and also in a few wks having a guy like Ray Lewis at linebacker (who is a situational player who can't cover anyone, yet expects to be on the field every down) on the field can limit some of the things a coach like Pees can call or run sometimes.

Now, to answer your question about Suggs & Ngata, yes indeed they both played major major parts in this.

Since the middle of last season Ngata has had to play an inhumane amount of gamesnaps for a big man like him. The reasoning was that Cody wasn't really good as they envisioned. Ngata again this yr had to play tremendous snaps and he got himself hurt a few wks into the season. With the trio of Kemo, Arthur Jones & Cody struggling mightily alongside of him whenever they played -- along with Kruger struggling to be stout at the edge, Upshaw working himself into shape and up-to-speed as a rook, Ray being a shell of himself (and 15-20lbs lighter) at inside-backer and Suggs still in street clothes -- all of that mixed in the pot equaled up to a porous D-front seven.

As for Suggs, he in my opinion was the main cog that got us started back to respectability in the sturdiness dept. Not only because he's a tremendous all-around player, but because he allowed guys like Upshaw, Kruger and McClellan to sink back into more complimentary roles that fit them better.

Another player that flew under-the-radar but I believe had a solid impact was rookie DeAngelo Tyson. He came in during that Houston gm and has given the team quality no-frill sturdy reps when he played. In fact, he actually played a strong amount of reps in subsequent gms after that Houston gm -- and I believe it challenged all of the other struggling DTs and made them realize if they didn't step up they would be playing less and less. All of a sudden the last couple of wks you see a "new and improved" Kemo, Cody and Arthur Jones...

its kinda amazing what seeing a young rookie doing your job better than you were does to a guy -- it woke them all up, that's for sure.

Now today we seem to have folks who are starting to settle solidly into their respective team-oriented roles (although we're gonna have to find a way to get McPhee back in the mix). We still have to keep an 8th guy like Pollard lingering near the fray quite a bit to be as stout as we'd like all the time (which I wish we were strong enough upfront that we didn't have to), but overall Pollard being near the box is not enough that we can't adjust and play pass coverage if we're fooled expecting the run.

We aren't gonna bring back memories of 2000 or 2006 with this group defensively, but we are getting better and we're using all sorts of personnel packages to vary things up. Credit Pees for that.

Grim, we'll see if things continue trending up my friend.

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Posted: 11/30/2012 6:36 AM

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All very, very good points.  To me, the biggest thing as that Pees took over and then we had a tremendous amount of turnover on the defensive side of the ball.  Defense is more about the team than it is the individual.  Sure, you need some really good players, but even then it takes time for them to gel.  They need to trust the man next to them to be where they are supposed to be.  They need to do, indivudually, what their job is.  Hold up the lineman, fill the gap, force the runner inside, etc.

We will not be as good as last year simply because we don't have the same amount of pro-bowl caliber players playing at their peak.  But, you can definately see them playing better and better each week.  I think by playoff time they will be fairly formidable.  As long as the offense does their part and doesn't go into a shell like we've seen, we have a good chance.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 8:06 AM

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Im not understanding the correlation here. Lewis has slowed down to the tune of INEFFECTIVENESS. I have, as we all should have, seen Lewis whiff at RBs going right up the gut even after filling the gap left for him to move into. We have all seen that he cant get to the outside fast enough on a sweep to even be part of the equation. We have all seen his inability to cover the middle in the passing game, allowing TEs to run amok for huge gains. I love Ray, he has meant alot to this team and to this city, but unfortunately, he is not the player he once was. As general of the once vaunted defense, he was one of the best. He was leader, strategist, and cheerleader. There is no embarrassment here, no disillusions here...he has just met up with Father Time according to the football world.

As far as Webby...there is no doubt he is now one of the best corners in NFL, and he is sorely missed in our secondary. His absence does NOT make this defense better. While he is not at Revis status, he is still a formidable CB who has earned the respect of QBs around the circuit. With Webb in the game, half of the field has been removed allowing help for C. Williams, who struggles without that help.

Two different creatures, two different results. Its a young mans game. Webb is IN, and Lewis is OUT

         

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Posted: 11/30/2012 8:38 AM

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BuckinRavenstown wrote: Im not understanding the correlation here. Lewis has slowed down to the tune of INEFFECTIVENESS. I have, as we all should have, seen Lewis whiff at RBs going right up the gut even after filling the gap left for him to move into. We have all seen that he cant get to the outside fast enough on a sweep to even be part of the equation. We have all seen his inability to cover the middle in the passing game, allowing TEs to run amok for huge gains. I love Ray, he has meant alot to this team and to this city, but unfortunately, he is not the player he once was. As general of the once vaunted defense, he was one of the best. He was leader, strategist, and cheerleader. There is no embarrassment here, no disillusions here...he has just met up with Father Time according to the football world.

As far as Webby...there is no doubt he is now one of the best corners in NFL, and he is sorely missed in our secondary. His absence does NOT make this defense better. While he is not at Revis status, he is still a formidable CB who has earned the respect of QBs around the circuit. With Webb in the game, half of the field has been removed allowing help for C. Williams, who struggles without that help.

Two different creatures, two different results. Its a young mans game. Webb is IN, and Lewis is OUT
Good dialogue - what I hoped to cause by my comment. Of course Webb is a huge loss. This thread obviously is not about him but about number 52. He cannot do the things he did 3 or 4 years ago, let alone 13 or 14 years ago. But he would look better re-inserted into this current defense. CDip points out many of the reasons. Pees deserves a ton of credit as well for plugging guys into roles where their weaknesses are hidden. I wish we had the same results on the offensive side. And as Lardarius pointed out on the radio this week, Pees moving to the booth has greatly improved his vision and coaching decisions.

Ray will almost certainly at some point become a rotational player. Physical ability is a big part of that. Lardarius also pointed out the mental edge Ray brings to the team - not just his attitude and ability to steady the ship, but his ability to dissect plays. That's probably a little harder to quantify of course. That's Harbaugh's job, and it will be interesting to see what happens in two or three weeks. 52 won't be 100% physically - either cardio-wise or strength-wise - so maybe that will be a way for Harbaugh to manage his playing time and see how it works out. Critical thinking says it's too early to bury the old man.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 8:42 AM

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webb, before his injury really became a player who could play multiple positions on the field...we saw in the philly game, he was up at line of scrimmage, forced a fumble...he could cover, play special teams...losing him hurts us BIG TIME against New England should we meet again...he matches up perfectly against Welker and Edelman...

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Posted: 11/30/2012 8:44 AM

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But Art...in what situation(s) would you utilize Ray? And please explain your optioins for me

         

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Posted: 11/30/2012 9:46 AM

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BuckinRavenstown wrote: But Art...in what situation(s) would you utilize Ray? And please explain your optioins for me

Ray is still useful in red zone defense.  He can recognize plays better than anyone, so he can position guys closer to the snap than the coordinator can (headset shuts off at 15 seconds on the play clock).  Reaction time is more important in red zone than pure speed.  His play recognition is still better than anyone, so it compensates for his lack of outright speed.

Past that, it's tough to see him playing 3 downs, let alone a full game.  No one is immune to age.  It's been a fantastic journey watching him play and punish guys who dared enter M&T Bank, but that part of his life is rapidly coming to a close (if it hasn't already).

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Posted: 11/30/2012 9:57 AM

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BuckinRavenstown wrote: Im not understanding the correlation here. Lewis has slowed down to the tune of INEFFECTIVENESS. I have, as we all should have, seen Lewis whiff at RBs going right up the gut even after filling the gap left for him to move into. We have all seen that he cant get to the outside fast enough on a sweep to even be part of the equation. We have all seen his inability to cover the middle in the passing game, allowing TEs to run amok for huge gains. I love Ray, he has meant alot to this team and to this city, but unfortunately, he is not the player he once was. As general of the once vaunted defense, he was one of the best. He was leader, strategist, and cheerleader. There is no embarrassment here, no disillusions here...he has just met up with Father Time according to the football world.
To further play devil's advocate, I've seen every LB on our roster:

1. whiff at the RB
2. show inability to cover the middle in the passing game, especially the TE.


I think if you measure Ray Lewis' play against someone other than Ray Lewis of old, you'll have a much different view.

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Posted: 11/30/2012 10:54 AM

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Finally!!! People with a brain!!! I keep saying the improved dline play is the reason for our defensive improvement. Keeping the opposing oline off of our linebackers and allowing them to move freely to the ball is why lbs look better. The dines improved pass rush is why our pass defense is improving...again thanks dline. Football is a team sport and everyone needs to do their art to be successful.

First part of the year the dline was atrocious. Despite this fact ray was still leading the team in tackles. Yes some of them were further down the field, but that was because the dline wasnt occupying the blockers and allowing him to flow to the ball. Not because ray is bad. Remember people you were all saying the same thing before we drafted haloti ngata to keep people off ray. You have seen a rejuvenated ray lewis in the years following haloti's draft.

Does ray play like he did 8-10 years ago?...no. But he is still better than everyone but Ellerbe on this roster. Anyone who wants to tell me McClain is better than ray Lewis I have a bridge I would like to sell you. Ellerbe is our best lb. he stays on the field. Ray is better than mcclain against the run and no worse than him in pass coverage. McClain is bad against the pass. So why would I sit ray to bring him in.? While I do agree ray could sit on obvious passing downs, who do we put in? Unless it is ayenbadejo who does have more speed to cover, who else can play better? The one dimensional jameel McClain is not that guy.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 10:57 AM

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joeshmoe wrote: Finally!!! People with a brain!!! I keep saying the improved dline play is the reason for our defensive improvement. Keeping the opposing oline off of our linebackers and allowing them to move freely to the ball is why lbs look better. The dines improved pass rush is why our pass defense is improving...again thanks dline. Football is a team sport and everyone needs to do their art to be successful.

First part of the year the dline was atrocious. Despite this fact ray was still leading the team in tackles. Yes some of them were further down the field, but that was because the dline wasnt occupying the blockers and allowing him to flow to the ball. Not because ray is bad. Remember people you were all saying the same thing before we drafted haloti ngata to keep people off ray. You have seen a rejuvenated ray lewis in the years following haloti's draft.

Does ray play like he did 8-10 years ago?...no. But he is still better than everyone but Ellerbe on this roster. Anyone who wants to tell me McClain is better than ray Lewis I have a bridge I would like to sell you. Ellerbe is our best lb. he stays on the field. Ray is better than mcclain against the run and no worse than him in pass coverage. McClain is bad against the pass. So why would I sit ray to bring him in.? While I do agree ray could sit on obvious passing downs, who do we put in? Unless it is ayenbadejo who does have more speed to cover, who else can play better? The one dimensional jameel McClain is not that guy.
Remember when McClain first came on the team...he was an OLB, used to rush the passer, within a year, he was our starting ILB over Ellerbe.

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Posted: 11/30/2012 11:07 AM

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Why was that? Because harbaugh had ellerbe in his famous doghouse. The poor kid intercepts a pass in the preseason, scores a TD, does a dance, and our coach decides to bench him to make an example. Ellerbe has played his way back on to the field. No one will dispute ellerbe is the better player. McClain's lack of speed is another reason he was moved inside.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 11:18 AM

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joeshmoe wrote: Why was that? Because harbaugh had ellerbe in his famous doghouse. The poor kid intercepts a pass in the preseason, scores a TD, does a dance, and our coach decides to bench him to make an example. Ellerbe has played his way back on to the field. No one will dispute ellerbe is the better player. McClain's lack of speed is another reason he was moved inside.
ellerbe is a solid player, and i hope his future is here in baltimore.

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Posted: 11/30/2012 11:45 AM

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dwmohr wrote:
BuckinRavenstown wrote: Im not understanding the correlation here. Lewis has slowed down to the tune of INEFFECTIVENESS. I have, as we all should have, seen Lewis whiff at RBs going right up the gut even after filling the gap left for him to move into. We have all seen that he cant get to the outside fast enough on a sweep to even be part of the equation. We have all seen his inability to cover the middle in the passing game, allowing TEs to run amok for huge gains. I love Ray, he has meant alot to this team and to this city, but unfortunately, he is not the player he once was. As general of the once vaunted defense, he was one of the best. He was leader, strategist, and cheerleader. There is no embarrassment here, no disillusions here...he has just met up with Father Time according to the football world.
To further play devil's advocate, I've seen every LB on our roster:

1. whiff at the RB
2. show inability to cover the middle in the passing game, especially the TE.


I think if you measure Ray Lewis' play against someone other than Ray Lewis of old, you'll have a much different view.

Go Ravens!
DW...I get that, I really do, but Ray NEVER used to whiff. He would punish them relentlessly for even trying to come at him. He just dont/cant do that any longer.
 Im not putting Ray in the old folks retirement home status; just making the point that Ray is NOT Ray any longer. We all watched him bring down Murray (cowboys)with one arm, and I was proud of the "old man". But maybe its time for Mr. Lewis to accept the fact that he needs to let some of the younger guys start getting the experience. His contract still has another year left. Will he insist on being that "every down" LB or will he bow and accept that he's no longer the man he used to be?

He's getting injured more and more lately, he cant hit the gaps with the authority he once did, and he cant cover TEs any longer. His heart is in it, but his body is slowing. I just want him to go out on a high note.

         

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Posted: 11/30/2012 11:53 AM

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BuckinRavenstown wrote:
dwmohr wrote:
BuckinRavenstown wrote: Im not understanding the correlation here. Lewis has slowed down to the tune of INEFFECTIVENESS. I have, as we all should have, seen Lewis whiff at RBs going right up the gut even after filling the gap left for him to move into. We have all seen that he cant get to the outside fast enough on a sweep to even be part of the equation. We have all seen his inability to cover the middle in the passing game, allowing TEs to run amok for huge gains. I love Ray, he has meant alot to this team and to this city, but unfortunately, he is not the player he once was. As general of the once vaunted defense, he was one of the best. He was leader, strategist, and cheerleader. There is no embarrassment here, no disillusions here...he has just met up with Father Time according to the football world.
To further play devil's advocate, I've seen every LB on our roster:

1. whiff at the RB
2. show inability to cover the middle in the passing game, especially the TE.


I think if you measure Ray Lewis' play against someone other than Ray Lewis of old, you'll have a much different view.

Go Ravens!
DW...I get that, I really do, but Ray NEVER used to whiff. He would punish them relentlessly for even trying to come at him. He just dont/cant do that any longer.
 Im not putting Ray in the old folks retirement home status; just making the point that Ray is NOT Ray any longer. We all watched him bring down Murray (cowboys)with one arm, and I was proud of the "old man". But maybe its time for Mr. Lewis to accept the fact that he needs to let some of the younger guys start getting the experience. His contract still has another year left. Will he insist on being that "every down" LB or will he bow and accept that he's no longer the man he used to be?

He's getting injured more and more lately, he cant hit the gaps with the authority he once did, and he cant cover TEs any longer. His heart is in it, but his body is slowing. I just want him to go out on a high note.
I think most of us agree with this, but the fact remains that when Lewis can return and wants to return, he will again be the starter.  The question will be whether or not it will hamper the defense.  What many of us are saying is that we don't think he will hinder it much.  The line play is much better now, which keeps guys off the backers.  And, Lewis should be pretty fresh also.  If he can come back, win a championship and then ride off history, I think everyone would be ecstatic.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 12:27 PM

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You guys are weird!
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Posted: 11/30/2012 12:46 PM

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joeshmoe wrote: Why was that? Because harbaugh had ellerbe in his famous doghouse. The poor kid intercepts a pass in the preseason, scores a TD, does a dance, and our coach decides to bench him to make an example. Ellerbe has played his way back on to the field. No one will dispute ellerbe is the better player. McClain's lack of speed is another reason he was moved inside.
Yup, McClain should have remained an OLB at that point, ESPECIALLY since Mattison and Harbaugh decided to just give the OLB position to Sizzle and JJ with no viable backups in case they get hurt (since they shipped of Barnes).

It wasnt as if he was causing alot of penalties on the field to have the coaches bench him.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 1:32 PM

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rantnrav wrote:

I think most of us agree with this, but the fact remains that when Lewis can return and wants to return, he will again be the starter.  The question will be whether or not it will hamper the defense.  What many of us are saying is that we don't think he will hinder it much.  The line play is much better now, which keeps guys off the backers.  And, Lewis should be pretty fresh also.  If he can come back, win a championship and then ride off history, I think everyone would be ecstatic.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 1:38 PM

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I also agree with this. A fitting ending to the career of the greatest linebacker of all time.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 1:41 PM

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BuckinRavenstown wrote:
rantnrav wrote:

I think most of us agree with this, but the fact remains that when Lewis can return and wants to return, he will again be the starter.  The question will be whether or not it will hamper the defense.  What many of us are saying is that we don't think he will hinder it much.  The line play is much better now, which keeps guys off the backers.  And, Lewis should be pretty fresh also.  If he can come back, win a championship and then ride off history, I think everyone would be ecstatic.
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Now, if they could convince him to take a breather on passing plays...
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Posted: 11/30/2012 1:54 PM

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The stamina you guys have to say the same thing over and over is impressive.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 2:16 PM

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Playing better without Ray? Yes. It's time for everyone to acknoweldge he is in the final stage of his great career. Now without Webb? No way. For my money the difference in the secondary now is the absence of Jimmy Smith. Would love to have Webb back in the mix with the guys that are playing now.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 4:05 PM

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If we could only rotate Ray no one would ever make big plays on 3rd down again! Ever! Wee Hee!
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Posted: 11/30/2012 4:13 PM

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The game is and has always been won and lost in the trenches.  Looking back closely at this years game films will show you that about our defense . As soon as we got inproved defensive trench play, we got better defensive play as a whole.  It is straight line causation.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 9:45 PM

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jonboy79 wrote: The game is and has always been won and lost in the trenches.  Looking back closely at this years game films will show you that about our defense . As soon as we got inproved defensive trench play, we got better defensive play as a whole.  It is straight line causation.

So true jonboy, and it is really that simple. That's where I get frustrated by the FO at times. Put all of the money in both lines and the rest will fall into place. The trenches are where it all happens.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 11:38 PM

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not going to read the whole thread(even spell checker`s not going through this entire screed)...but i hope somebody mentioned the return of suggs...that explains an awful lot(including kruger`s improved play)....suggs is indespensable and we will be a much better defense when webb gets back...he`s our best corner(without question)....the absence of lewis is the least important issue(even though just having him on the field probably has some psychological value).........
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Posted: 12/1/2012 8:11 AM

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Suggs hasn't really done anything statistically but just his presence has helped sure up the run defense. He also still gets double teamed which frees up Kruger and co to rush the passer. He has def made a difference.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 9:19 AM

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I'm hopefull that Ray plays as a situational player when he returns. The coaching staff and Ray should or could us his injury as a reason for him to slip into that role without losing face.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 1:43 PM

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I agree w the intent of this post - for people to stop attributing D improvement to the loss of Ray Lewis. We are NOT playing better on D because of no Webb/Smith/Lewis. We are playing better on D due to other good reasons (e.g., TSizzle)

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Posted: 12/1/2012 1:46 PM

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Exactly
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Posted: 12/3/2012 7:27 AM

Re: Defense better without Lardarius Webb 


Ray and our other ILBs really did a lousy job vs the Steelers in covering the middle of the field pass-wise. Oh, wait, Ray was not playing?????
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