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edreed4mvp wrote: Sack wasn't a bad outcome for us.
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Nowayallthesenamesaretaken wrote: I understand the frustration with Cam's play calling. It drives me nuts too. However, don't oversimplify the situation by saying just have Ray Rice run outside like it's that easy. Rice averaged 2 yards a carry last night and contrary to some opinions, he doesn't run wide well. His strength in his running style is his vision and ability to cut at full speed, not his speed which is average for a RB.In retrospect, the call wasn't bad. Throw a sure completion or take a sack and run 40 seconds off the clock. It worked out. Don't forget to factor in the play of the players when eviscerating the coaching staff week in and week out. Believe it or not, that has something to do with the game too.
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FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!!!
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"Got a cover of Sports Illustrated..it says the Titans are the best team in football...maybe they are...but not today" Brian Billick
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21XXXV wrote: Respectfully, No one can defend that horrible play call. Again, I am not complaining about the play outcome of the 3rd and 2. I am stating the fact that if your point is to be careful, you simply take a knee and the result is the same. I can take the heat, but I am not waivering. Our HC and OC are both idiots. And the folks on this board, despite the Win have to come to grips with this snake oil we are being asked to buy!
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21XXXV wrote: How many Super Bowls have we been to under this staff? Close your eyes and what do you see? That's how many..You sound like a PR man for Andy Reid. How many have the Steelers been to under Flip Wilson? The answer is 2 for Flip. Before you start anointing Baghdad Bob, let's wait until he gets there.
Man, the grass is always greener, huh? You realize only 2 teams get to go the the Superbowl each year, only 1 wins? And only 4 teams of 32 make it to conference championships each year?
I'm not saying I dont want to win the big one, but we were right there, it was on LEE EVANS to catch the ball, or Cundiff to make the kick to force OT. Very little of that was on coaching, it was invidual execution.
Both players in question are currently out of the league. I think thats telling.
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DieHardRavensFan17 wrote: We should've tried to get 2 yards with Ray Rice behind Leach. Seems like we always forget we have the best fullback in football in big short yardage situations and we turn to our QB who's shaky at best on the road. That said, I give credit to Flacco there for taking the sack.
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21XXXV wrote: Dave if these observations were a rare occurance that would be one thing, but we have seen this for many years.
Posted: 11/19/2012 11:05 AM
Nowayallthesenamesaretaken wrote: 21XXXV, I'm pretty sure we breath the same oxygen. Is that supposed to make me feel stupid ? It doesn't. I've actually played and coached (graduate assistant)the game at the college level so I have some point of reference here.Though some of you may not like to hear this. They didn't run it because they didn't have the confidence we could get the 2 yards. Based on the way we played the entire game, that is an OUTSTANDING assumption. Secondly, the difference between the sack and taking a knee is HUGE. The play call was not to "give up" on getting a 1st down like taking a knee would have been. The play call was to throw a short pass for a 1st down, HOWEVER if there wasn't an option for a sure completion, do not risk an incompletion to stop the clock, take the sack.Guys, we converted 3 3rd downs all game !!!!!!!!! When you're on the field, you know what you can and can't do by the end of the game. We weren't going to do something that last 3rd down we weren't able to do all day.Though I disagree with it, and I'm not happy with it, Our gameplan last night was similiar to the Texans playoff game last year. We had a back up QB that wasn't going to beat us, so we were going to run an offense that didn't beat itself. It worked.That last 3rd and 2 was extremely conservative, but far from the worst call in the history of football some of you are claiming. The play took 6 seconds and with the 40 second play clock took 46 seconds off the game that only had 1:56 left and they were out of timeouts. I understand the call. That being said, if we don't change our playcalling on the road, we're not going to get where we want to go. I'm not happy with the offensive philosophy on the road.Give me something other than how stupid I am as a counter argument for the 3rd and 2 call though.
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21XXXV wrote: His Pressor is at 4PM
Honestly, the Bagdad Bob moniker non-sense doesn't do your argument any good, it comes off like you're trying to position yourself as the next Mike Preston.People have made the basic strategical arguments of why the call was made. The counter hasn't been dialogue, is the moniker and (funny) pictures like the one above. But its not showing much in the way of dialogue and actual logic.Last night was a game that we shouldn't lose, and we didn't.
the argument seems to be is that it was also a game that shouldn't have been that close, but which one matters more - a W or style points?Patriots won with style points. Also lost Gronkowski for 4-6 weeks.
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RavenLunatic wrote: bad coaching would have been to ask Joe to throw the ball and make sure we convert that 3rd down. Good coaching is asking your qb to look for a 100% pass play and if it's not there to take a sack to keep the clock running. You are a fool to think that TAK there is the correct call. You have no idea if the corner blitzes leaving Torrey wide open for an easy conversion. ...and Jesus H Christ...taking the sack essentially is the same as TAK there.So if you want to criticize the coaching fine...that's your perogative, but IMO they called a safe and effective play. You're coming across as the quintessential Monday morning quarterback.
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Nowayallthesenamesaretaken wrote: Though some of you may not like to hear this. They didn't run it because they didn't have the confidence we could get the 2 yards.
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ravmaniac wrote: Nowayallthesenamesaretaken wrote: Though some of you may not like to hear this. They didn't run it because they didn't have the confidence we could get the 2 yards.If they got the first down or not is not the issue in my mind. When passing theres more things that can go wrong than running. IMO the run was the safest way to accomplish the goal, either get a first down, or if you don't, the clock continues to run.. Harbs comment pretty much verifies that opinion. He said that if a sure recpetion was not there then he was to take the sack. gaining the first down was not the #1 objective running the clock was. The safe way to do that is run the ball.
Posted: 11/19/2012 1:10 PM
rantnrav wrote: Like I said before, dropping back to pass and taking the sack if it wasn't a sure thing took several more seconds off the clock than just running into the line. With such little time left those couple of seconds could have been the difference between lining up for a field goal and having the clock run out.