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Basement Waterproofing & Foundation Repairs

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Posted: 4/21/2008 10:56 AM

Basement Waterproofing & Foundation Repairs 


This seems to be one of the biggest ripoffs out there.  EVERY company has their own systems with their own pros and cons.  Doing research on the internet just ends up scaring the heck out of me...the horror stories abound.
 
So, has anyone had any GOOD experiences that they are willing to share?  Please understand that what I need is not the standard drains around the inside of the foundation.  I had that done years ago and the floor has been dry since then.  The problem now is that one basement wall is saturated, starting to grow mildew, and is bowing.  I'm probably going to need some structural repairs and both internal and external work.
 
Has anyone used ValueDry?

Oderint dum metuant

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Posted: 4/21/2008 3:32 PM

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It just sounds expensive  Our water issues were due the way they graded the back yard and someone took the diffuser off the rain spout.  Good luck.

"When you go in the lion's den, you don't tippy toe in.You carry a spear, you go in screaming like a banshee, you kick whatever doors in, and say, 'Where's the son of a bitch!'If you go in any other way you're gonna lose.
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Posted: 4/22/2008 10:17 AM

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The only real answer to this is a vapor barrier around the outside of your foundation and a nice thick coat of Dry-Lok (or similar) on the inside. 

The Dry-Lok you  can do yourself, but the foundation work is going to require some expertise...and will be expensive.

As was mentioned the above assume you have grading and drainage issues resolved already...



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Posted: 4/22/2008 10:19 AM

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My brother has worked on his for yrs. Dry locking, hired someone to dig down the outside of the foundation and work on it. Nothing works, it keeps leaking and mildew builds. He told me that he wants to sell. Water is the worst.
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Posted: 4/22/2008 11:21 AM

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Unfortunately, the grading and drainage issues have not been resolved. That is expected to be a part of the work plan.

What I really need now is the name of some REPUTABLE companies to get estimates from, especially companies that can handle the whole job. Every company I look at has so many complaints against it that I cringe just thinking about it and most of them only do one thing (like the interior or exterior work).

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Posted: 4/27/2008 2:27 PM

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You know this is where board members would come in if your problem were on the front page of this forum...however, with these different sections the ones you are trying to reach don't see this.... I would assume that if you knew someone that could run a small back hoe or bobcat they could take away the dirt near your foundation and you could then waterproof the outside and then use drylock on the inside..... basically you could do it yourself if and when you could find someone to do the digging around your foundation.... If your ground is like mine mainly clay and such digging by hand is out of the question...however, If it is soft then digging around it a couple yards at a time and then repairing the wall and waterproofing it on the outside could be done and then move to the next section when completed.......

I feel for you as I know it is extremely difficult to find people that do great work....sometimes it pays to go to a construction site where they are building new homes and talk to some of the workers that do foundations and ask what they would charge to come out to your place and do the same.....

Mainly most of the time the problem is the way the water is running..... If it is running towards your home instead of away that is where your main problem is.... if you could find someone with a front loader to grade the dirt away from your home this would help and probably solve the entire problem.... may even get away without doing any more then that....

Does the surrounding dirt slope awy from your home?.....Is it only one part of your home that has the leaking walls?.....If so, try the sloping away the dirt from your foundation.....

maybe show us a picture of the inside wall and the outside of your home in that area...... perhaps we could then suggest other things to do......

Did you call the Better Business Bureau ...They can give you names of reputable contractors in your area.....

Always start with the cheapest and easiest solution first and go big only if you have to.....

Start by using DryLock on the inside walls first.... If that still doesn't fix the problem...Then try sloping and regrading the outside on that particular wall..... Lastly recoat the outside wall with waterproofing as a last resort if the first 2 do not work..... To me that is basically putting on like a tar type substance on the outside foundation...It may only be needed on one small area where a cynde r block cracked or deteriorated... In that case replace that block first with a new one and then waterproof it....

This is all I got...hope it helps......
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Posted: 4/27/2008 2:33 PM

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Thanks for the advice. The lot does slope toward the house on that side. It needs to be re-graded, but there isn't enough space to do it correctly. I'd have to grade my neighbor's yard. I suspect I need some sort of drain system put in to intercept the water before it gets to the house.

DryLock keeps the water from coming through, but it doesn't solve the issue of too much pressure bowing the wall. The pressure needs to be relieved and the wall needs to be straightened and repaired.

I have an estimator coming tomorrow. This should be "interesting" to say the least.

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Posted: 4/28/2008 10:02 AM

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Please keep us informed about what he states.... I personally would like to know what he says.....

With the regrading and your neighbor.... You probably would have to remove and have dirt hauled away then... Unless you could create a V channel between you and him to carry the water away to a safe place away from both homes....
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Posted: 4/29/2008 8:45 AM

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Have you ever heard of anyone who had Stabl-Wall installed. It's a carbon-fiber product that is bonded to the wall and prevents any more movement. I have searched and searched on the internet and can't find any reviews of it, though I can find thousands of companies using and installing it. I'd like some information on life-span and failure rates, but I can't find any.

In theory, this sounds like a very cost-effective way to solve my primary problem, but I sure would like to know of someone's experience with the product.

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Posted: 4/29/2008 9:37 AM

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FOUND THIS ON BOBVILLA.COM

Hi superfly thanks for the contact, I've experenced the same thing, little if any info on the subject. further research has lead me to a product called fortress, its almost the same concept, carbon fiber with kevlar woven into the patch itself. I had an estimater over and he gave me almost the exact same price as stablwall, but he also gave me a written lifetime guarantee for his product. I'm going to research it more and will keep you posted on my results, please let me know if you find any more info on stablwall. thanks Pk

www.fortressStabilization.com hopefully this will help fill in the gaps (pun intended)with any more questions we both have good luck
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Posted: 4/29/2008 9:40 AM

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ALSO SAW THIS ABOUT STABL-WALL

Its a take off of the reinforcer, carbon steel fiber, yet stable wall is made of cheap mesh.. cheap version and it fails.. so try the reinforcer instest.. I saw photo's of failed stable wall systems
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Posted: 4/29/2008 9:43 AM

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Expert: Bruce E. Johnson
Date: 8/3/2006
Subject: Stablwall

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I have noticed some cracks in my concrete foundation lately, so I called a foundation specialist. He recommended Stablwall. I had never heard of it and after doing some research on it found out plenty of info, but no comparative info, just advertisements for it. Anything practical you could tell me about it would be helpful.
Thanx, Dan

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Hi Dan, I have never used this product but it looks like a rip off to me. Concrete is going to crack. It is the nature of the beast. If the cracking becomes severe and settling is taking place that affects your structure then you need to be concerned. Take a nail and vee out the cracks and rub an elastomeric caulk into them..I hope this information is helpful feel free to write again regarding this or other matters, sincerely bruce e johnson
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Posted: 4/29/2008 9:46 AM

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Expert: Jim Hise
Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Stablwall

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Is stable wall just as good as the other carbon fibers?


Don,
Stabl wall carbon doesn't contain any Kevlar in it's grid, so it's not going to be as strong. Usually you don't see stable wall installed to address wall shearing concerns because it's a shorter panel than the length of the wall. I would say it would be my last choice. It's usually difficult to get any useful engineering data from the representatives in our area. Ask the installers to show you their certification! jim
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Posted: 4/29/2008 10:04 AM

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LASTLY GO TO YOU TUBE...YES, YOU TUBE.... www.youtube.com/
THIS SITE IS NOT ONLY FOR MUSIC VIDEOS AND **** BUT IS VERY VERY HELPFUL ABOUT ALMOST ANYTHING..... TYPE IN FOUNDATION REPAIR..OR FOUNDATION CRACKS, ETC. AND THERE IS A **** LOAD OF STUFF ABOUT IT.....

I WAS RIGHT IN STATING BY THE WAY THAT 90% OF FOUNDATION PROBLEMS ARE DUE TO THE GRADE OF YOUR LAND..... SO WHETHER OR NOT YOU SAYY SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBOR SCREW THEM AND GRADE YOUR LAND AND LET THEM HAVE THE WATER PROBLEM....

LOOK, TELL YOUR DAMN NEIGHBOR WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO....AND THEN STATE HE WILL HAVE A PROBLEM THEN....AND IF HE DOESN'T LIKE IT THEN GO IN HALF WITH YOU AND BOTH WORK TOGETHER TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM.... BUT I STILL THINK YOU CAN DO THIS YOURSELF BY DIGGING AN 24 INCH TRENCH AROUND YOUR FOUNDATION ON ONLY THE WALL THAT IS BOWING...ONCE OPENED UP LOOK AT WHAT THE DAMAGE IS... REPLACE ANY CYNDERBLOCKS THAT ARE CRUMBLED, OR WHATEVER YOUR FOUNDATION IS MADE OF AND THEN WATERPROOF THAT FROM THE OUTSIDE WITH TAR OR WHATEVER IT IS YOU PUT ON THE OUTSIDE FOUNDATION....AND THEN GO DRY-LOCK ON THE INSIDE....

I KNOW ALL THIS BECAUSE I HAD TO DO IT TO MY FOUNDATION AND I HAVEN'T HAD ANYMORE PROBLEMS FOR 18 YEARS NOW.... AND AT FIRST I WAS SCARED TO DEATH TO DO THIS..... BUT ONCE YOU DIG AWAY AT THE FOUNDATION AND TAKE YOUR TIME IT IS NO BIG DEAL......

ALSO, ASK A CONTRACTOR HAT HE WOULD DO .///PRETEND YOU ARE GOING TO HIRE HIM AND ASK WHAT THE PAYMENT WILL COVER IN DETAIL....ONCE HE TELLS YOU EVERYTHING THEN DO IT YOURSELF.... IN OTHER WORDS PICK HIS BRAIN AND USE HIM TO HELP YOU OUT......

HE WILL MORE THEN LIKELY TELL YOU WHAT I HAVE....

GOOD LUCK AND BIRDFAN....YOU OWE ME.......LMAO...

PERHAPS YOU WILL LET ME SCALP TICKETS NOW THAT I HAVE HELPED YOU OUT......LMFAO...
ONLY JOKING.... I GOT OTHER SOURCES TO SELL MY TICKETS.... SO ALL IS GOOD...

I AM TRYING MY BEST TO HELP YOU OUT HERE..... I THINK WHAT I STATED IS THE SOLUTION AND GETTING THAT SIDE OF YOUR HOME REGRADED WILL MORE THEN LIKELY ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEM..... WHETHER THAT INVOLVES HAULING AWAY DIRT BY A DUMP TRUCK OR HAVING TO GET MORE DIRT IN......

I WISH YOU WOULD TAKE A PICTURE OF THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE FROM THE INSIDE AND OUTSIDE...I THINK WE COULD HELP YOU MORE IF WE SAW THE PROBLEM........
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Posted: 4/29/2008 11:34 AM

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Well, the REAL problem is that my house was built by an idiot. My neighbor's property is almost 3 feet higher than mine...no fooling. I wasn't kidding that I'd have to regrade his entire yard. He's a nice guy, but that just isn't going to fly. He's a nut about his grass, his driveway, his shed, etc.

I appreciate all your help, though yelling at me makes me nervous.

I'm going to keep looking at the Stabl-Wall since it's so reasonably priced. I don't have a sheering problem, just bowing. There are already steel beams in place to stop the wall from crashing in, the Stabl-Wall is just supposed to help out in between the beams.

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Posted: 4/29/2008 11:45 AM

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By the way, I followed that fortress link you provided above and kept clinking on more and more links until I got to this site:
 
http://www.basementquestionsandanswers.com/

It actually has some very good information.

Oderint dum metuant

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Posted: 4/29/2008 1:41 PM

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Larry Knight per chance?  They figured out AFTER everyone had decks and fences they graded it wrong, and buy the time it went through the courts, everyone dealt with on their own.  If its a mildewy basement Owens Corning Basement finishing is some really cool stuff   http://franchising.owenscorning.com/bfs/ideas/idea_gallery.aspx
I don't it will help the structure issues.

"When you go in the lion's den, you don't tippy toe in.You carry a spear, you go in screaming like a banshee, you kick whatever doors in, and say, 'Where's the son of a bitch!'If you go in any other way you're gonna lose.
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Posted: 4/29/2008 4:49 PM

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Birdfan
Then what I would do is slope the dirt away from your foundation towards the neighbors 3 foot high wall....and at the base of your slope install a pvc pipe (One of those 4 to 6 inch jobs with the holes in it to catch the water and allow it to flow away from the home.... Screw that neighbor.....he doesn't own the easement between the homes...... and you can do anything you want to as long as it is on your property....

I once took down a whole side of a neighbors tree because it was hanging over my yard..... that was my property regardless of the fact that the tree root and trunk was in his yard....If it encroaches on your property it is yours..... You should have seen his face whgen he saw half the tree gone..... So you can always do that....

I think you will be fine now.... And sorry I left the caps on......lol
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Posted: 4/29/2008 7:57 PM

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I'm looking into landscaping/grading companies now. Unfortunately I'm not physically up to moving the dirt myself. I really don't think there's all that much dirt that needs to be moved to adjust the drainage, so I might just hire the job out and have them resod the yard at the same time.

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Posted: 4/30/2008 7:47 PM

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Sounds like you will have it fixed nicely then.... Good Luck to you.... I know how frustrating it can be trying to find someone to do good work for an honest days wage......
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