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The Impeachment Delusion

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Posted: 7/11/2014 1:39 PM

The Impeachment Delusion 


A great new article from the conservative Wall Street journal just poured water all over the idea that Sarah Palin and her tea brewing cosplaying followers have been dreaming up... Impeachment.!

Palin demands the ousting of an American president on the constitutional theory that “enough is enough.”

A few of the local delusional posters on here are all for this laughable farce so I figured I would let them know what the few intellectual folks  on the right are actually saying about it.


The Constitution says a President can be impeached for "Treason, Bribery or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." Bill Clinton lied under oath and Richard Nixon obstructed justice. While Mr. Obama's abuses don't rise to that level.

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he Washington Post has also begun to cover the tea party and their increasing delusion. Here is a great quote from today's Post...

The movement has developed a characteristic tone and approach. It is often apocalyptic. The torch of liberty sputters. The country is on the verge of tyranny. Yet, without apparent cognitive dissonance, the movement’s goals are often utopian. The nation’s problems can be solved by passing 10 amendments to the Constitution or by impeaching the president. And those who don’t share a preference for maximal (sometimes delusional) solutions — those who talk of incrementalism or compromise — are granted particular scorn.

The tea party temperament is often accompanied by an easily reducible political theory. “The word ‘education,’ ” McDaniel has argued, “is not in the Constitution. Because the word is not in the Constitution, it’s none of their [the federal government’s] business.” Neither are the phrases “health care,” “retirement assistance,” “disaster relief,” “food safety” or “cancer research.” And there goes much of the modern state.

These habits of mind — desperation, utopianism, purifying zeal and ideological simplicity — have had their uses throughout history. But they can’t be called conservative.

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Posted: 7/11/2014 2:33 PM

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Is George Will not an "intellectual on the right?" Will reminds us that one of Nixon's impeachment articles described the Nixon administration's use of the power of income tax audits in a "discriminatory manner."

So YES, Hottbirdz, IF there is enough evidence of the IRS being directed by the President to use the power of the IRS in a discriminatory manner, it is an impeachable offense. There is historical precedent for it. Only a few people were talking about impeachment in 1972 when the Washington Post first broke the Watergate story, but as more became known, as investigations were ramped up, it became more plausible, and eventually happened.

What did Mr. Obama know and when did he know it?

What are high crimes and misdemeanors? Do you even know? My opinion is it's in the eye of the beholder but generally covers items like misconduct by public official's, abuse of authority, perjury, intimidation, bribery, refusal to obey the law. These are subject to a W I D E range of interpretation.

The crimes are "high" because of the unique power position of the president. He is necessarily given a L O T of latitude. After all, we can't and shouldn't be impeaching presidents on a regular basis.

When you really think about those 2 particular phrases, High crimes being VERY serious, and obvious, and misdemeanors being crimes of LOW seriousness like public intoxication, marijuana possession or disorderly conduct, you could theoretically impeach any president at any time for almost anything. Theoretically.............

Therefore, LITERALLY, the mechanism is in place to remove a president when the American people, through their representatives, say "Enough is Enough." Of course it takes 2/3 of the Senate to achieve a successful impeachment.  The bar is high, as it should be, and requires crossover vote.

BUT, if the Republicans control both chambers, there is a better than average chance they will be ramping up the various investigations. There is a better than average chance of a special prosecutor. As with Nixon, the more that gets investigated, the more chance there is of discovering an impropriety or improprieties serious enough that the American people say "no mas!"

It would not shock me in the slightest if we found out that Obama was abusing power to an unacceptable and even unprecedented level, in fact it would shock me if, upon serious investigation, he wasn't.

It is certainly not an impeachment certainly, or even an impeachment likelihood at this point, but it is FAR FROM a delusion.

It is you who is either uninformed, naïve, or quite possibly............. delusional.
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Posted: 7/11/2014 3:28 PM

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President Andrew Johnson was impeached and came a single vote from being removed from office. Nixon resigned rather than face impeachment, and a likely conviction and removal from office. Bill Clinton was impeached for perjury before a grand jury.

President Obama's high crimes and misdemeanors against the people of America are blinding in comparison to all the three above-mentioned. He should most definitely be impeached, and should most definitely be removed from office. If he is not, then there is no way that any future President should ever face the threat. President Obama, of course, won't be impeached; and the only way another president will be is if s/he has a "R" next to his/her name on the ballot. There were enough Republicans in the 1970s who put country and Constitution above politics and said that enough was enough. Not so today with the hyper-partisan Dems who, like any good tyranny, will not under any circumstances stand for the good of the people and the law over maintaining their fistlock on power.

It's funny how the loons like Hottbirdz who attempt to ridicule Sarah Palin conveniently dismiss the record and the facts - namely that she's called many shots that this administration couldn't see coming until watching the nightly news after they happened. Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Overrunning of our southern border. The collapse of Iraq. The failure of the so-called 'Arab Spring'. The death panels of Obamacare. Fortunately for the administration, incompetence is not impeachable. Abuses of power, failure to uphold the oath of office, and obstruction of justice are though.

Those in the GOP and among independents who recommend against impeachment do so for solely political reasons. Sure, it's not going to win the GOP any political points in a midterm election year - after all, the mainstream media shills are complicit and guilty of aiding and abetting the administration as it has waged its war on Americans.  They will loyally do so again for the good of The Party.  But at the end of the day it needs to come down to the Constitution, the rule of law, the separation of powers, the co-equal branches of government, and applying the checks and balances that our founders so brilliantly put into place to assist in avoiding another tyranny like we now face.

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Posted: 7/11/2014 4:10 PM

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zeusman52 wrote: Is George Will not an "intellectual on the right?" Will reminds us that one of Nixon's impeachment articles described the Nixon administration's use of the power of income tax audits in a "discriminatory manner."

So YES, Hottbirdz, IF there is enough evidence of the IRS being directed by the President to use the power of the IRS in a discriminatory manner, it is an impeachable offense. There is historical precedent for it. Only a few people were talking about impeachment in 1972 when the Washington Post first broke the Watergate story, but as more became known, as investigations were ramped up, it became more plausible, and eventually happened.

What did Mr. Obama know and when did he know it?

What are high crimes and misdemeanors? Do you even know? My opinion is it's in the eye of the beholder but generally covers items like misconduct by public official's, abuse of authority, perjury, intimidation, bribery, refusal to obey the law. These are subject to a W I D E range of interpretation.

The crimes are "high" because of the unique power position of the president. He is necessarily given a L O T of latitude. After all, we can't and shouldn't be impeaching presidents on a regular basis.

When you really think about those 2 particular phrases, High crimes being VERY serious, and obvious, and misdemeanors being crimes of LOW seriousness like public intoxication, marijuana possession or disorderly conduct, you could theoretically impeach any president at any time for almost anything. Theoretically.............

Therefore, LITERALLY, the mechanism is in place to remove a president when the American people, through their representatives, say "Enough is Enough." Of course it takes 2/3 of the Senate to achieve a successful impeachment.  The bar is high, as it should be, and requires crossover vote.

BUT, if the Republicans control both chambers, there is a better than average chance they will be ramping up the various investigations. There is a better than average chance of a special prosecutor. As with Nixon, the more that gets investigated, the more chance there is of discovering an impropriety or improprieties serious enough that the American people say "no mas!"

It would not shock me in the slightest if we found out that Obama was abusing power to an unacceptable and even unprecedented level, in fact it would shock me if, upon serious investigation, he wasn't.

It is certainly not an impeachment certainly, or even an impeachment likelihood at this point, but it is FAR FROM a delusion.

It is you who is either uninformed, naïve, or quite possibly............. delusional.
The big difference between Nixon and Obama is the media. In 1972, the Media hated Nixon and would do anything to dig up dirt. In 2014, the media is just a branch of the DNC. They are not even looking into the matter.

Nixon was impeached for thinking about doing something. Obama is getting a pass for doing it.
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yourdreamwillend wrote:
zeusman52 wrote: Is George Will not an "intellectual on the right?" Will reminds us that one of Nixon's impeachment articles described the Nixon administration's use of the power of income tax audits in a "discriminatory manner."

So YES, Hottbirdz, IF there is enough evidence of the IRS being directed by the President to use the power of the IRS in a discriminatory manner, it is an impeachable offense. There is historical precedent for it. Only a few people were talking about impeachment in 1972 when the Washington Post first broke the Watergate story, but as more became known, as investigations were ramped up, it became more plausible, and eventually happened.

What did Mr. Obama know and when did he know it?

What are high crimes and misdemeanors? Do you even know? My opinion is it's in the eye of the beholder but generally covers items like misconduct by public official's, abuse of authority, perjury, intimidation, bribery, refusal to obey the law. These are subject to a W I D E range of interpretation.

The crimes are "high" because of the unique power position of the president. He is necessarily given a L O T of latitude. After all, we can't and shouldn't be impeaching presidents on a regular basis.

When you really think about those 2 particular phrases, High crimes being VERY serious, and obvious, and misdemeanors being crimes of LOW seriousness like public intoxication, marijuana possession or disorderly conduct, you could theoretically impeach any president at any time for almost anything. Theoretically.............

Therefore, LITERALLY, the mechanism is in place to remove a president when the American people, through their representatives, say "Enough is Enough." Of course it takes 2/3 of the Senate to achieve a successful impeachment.  The bar is high, as it should be, and requires crossover vote.

BUT, if the Republicans control both chambers, there is a better than average chance they will be ramping up the various investigations. There is a better than average chance of a special prosecutor. As with Nixon, the more that gets investigated, the more chance there is of discovering an impropriety or improprieties serious enough that the American people say "no mas!"

It would not shock me in the slightest if we found out that Obama was abusing power to an unacceptable and even unprecedented level, in fact it would shock me if, upon serious investigation, he wasn't.

It is certainly not an impeachment certainly, or even an impeachment likelihood at this point, but it is FAR FROM a delusion.

It is you who is either uninformed, naïve, or quite possibly............. delusional.
The big difference between Nixon and Obama is the media. In 1972, the Media hated Nixon and would do anything to dig up dirt. In 2014, the media is just a branch of the DNC. They are not even looking into the matter.

Nixon was impeached for thinking about doing something. Obama is getting a pass for doing it.
Obama will not be impeached.  That's nonsense.  For one thing, he's too far removed from any decision making for that to actually happen.

Democrats learned you can't block a SCOTUS nominee if all branches of government are controlled by the opposition.   Alito and Roberts were locks.  I think it was one of those things we all learned during the Bush admin contrary to the myth that Biden and Schumer were gonna Bork them all.

Similarly, there is an unwritten truism that you can't impeach a president without the media being 100% on board,  and short of hard evidence of a felony of some sort Obama will NEVER be impeached.  Not going to happen.  If the hinky destruction of the email archives of 7 persons involved in IRS targeting barely moves the media needle to investigate, then nothing will for this admin.

That's fine.  He's doing more damage in office than impeachment could ever do.
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Posted: 7/11/2014 11:06 PM

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They better impeach him soon. The economy has finally dug out of Dubbs mess, Obamacare is a clear success, republicans fell into the same contraception trap a second time, conservative bare chested hero Putin looks like the big loser in Europe, all the Fox scandals are still laughable two years later and so on. The tea patties are running the asylum now.

These poor posters on here after drooling over the Fox scandals are now thinking Obama will be impeached. I think Obama actually likes this stuff.

But hey, Rick "oops" Perry has glasses now so he might be smart enough looking at least and Sarah Palin still gets to call the shots on the right. Now there is party ready for 2016.
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yourdreamwillend wrote:
zeusman52 wrote: Is George Will not an "intellectual on the right?" Will reminds us that one of Nixon's impeachment articles described the Nixon administration's use of the power of income tax audits in a "discriminatory manner."

So YES, Hottbirdz, IF there is enough evidence of the IRS being directed by the President to use the power of the IRS in a discriminatory manner, it is an impeachable offense. There is historical precedent for it. Only a few people were talking about impeachment in 1972 when the Washington Post first broke the Watergate story, but as more became known, as investigations were ramped up, it became more plausible, and eventually happened.

What did Mr. Obama know and when did he know it?

What are high crimes and misdemeanors? Do you even know? My opinion is it's in the eye of the beholder but generally covers items like misconduct by public official's, abuse of authority, perjury, intimidation, bribery, refusal to obey the law. These are subject to a W I D E range of interpretation.

The crimes are "high" because of the unique power position of the president. He is necessarily given a L O T of latitude. After all, we can't and shouldn't be impeaching presidents on a regular basis.

When you really think about those 2 particular phrases, High crimes being VERY serious, and obvious, and misdemeanors being crimes of LOW seriousness like public intoxication, marijuana possession or disorderly conduct, you could theoretically impeach any president at any time for almost anything. Theoretically.............

Therefore, LITERALLY, the mechanism is in place to remove a president when the American people, through their representatives, say "Enough is Enough." Of course it takes 2/3 of the Senate to achieve a successful impeachment.  The bar is high, as it should be, and requires crossover vote.

BUT, if the Republicans control both chambers, there is a better than average chance they will be ramping up the various investigations. There is a better than average chance of a special prosecutor. As with Nixon, the more that gets investigated, the more chance there is of discovering an impropriety or improprieties serious enough that the American people say "no mas!"

It would not shock me in the slightest if we found out that Obama was abusing power to an unacceptable and even unprecedented level, in fact it would shock me if, upon serious investigation, he wasn't.

It is certainly not an impeachment certainly, or even an impeachment likelihood at this point, but it is FAR FROM a delusion.

It is you who is either uninformed, naïve, or quite possibly............. delusional.
The big difference between Nixon and Obama is the media. In 1972, the Media hated Nixon and would do anything to dig up dirt. In 2014, the media is just a branch of the DNC. They are not even looking into the matter.

Nixon was impeached for thinking about doing something. Obama is getting a pass for doing it.
Obama will not be impeached.  That's nonsense.  For one thing, he's too far removed from any decision making for that to actually happen.

Democrats learned you can't block a SCOTUS nominee if all branches of government are controlled by the opposition.   Alito and Roberts were locks.  I think it was one of those things we all learned during the Bush admin contrary to the myth that Biden and Schumer were gonna Bork them all.

Similarly, there is an unwritten truism that you can't impeach a president without the media being 100% on board,  and short of hard evidence of a felony of some sort Obama will NEVER be impeached.  Not going to happen.  If the hinky destruction of the email archives of 7 persons involved in IRS targeting barely moves the media needle to investigate, then nothing will for this admin.

That's fine.  He's doing more damage in office than impeachment could ever do.

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Posted: 7/11/2014 11:28 PM

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Sarah Palin: "The only thing necessary to transform America into something unrecognizable is for good men to do nothing!"

"...Impeachment requires moral courage to advance what is right, and it requires political will. A complacent or disheartened electorate may silently endure these abuses from the administration, the permanent political class is only too happy to maintain the status quo, and the mainstream media is not a fair watchdog. So, the nation’s last line of defense is for We the People to rise up and say, “enough is enough.”…"

"...If not these violations and the president’s promise to continue to “go it alone” in ignoring the separation of powers and rule of law, what will it take for you to take a stand? How bad does it have to get?..."




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Posted: 7/12/2014 9:54 AM

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GalenSevinne wrote:

They better impeach him soon. The economy has finally dug out of Dubbs mess, Obamacare is a clear success, republicans fell into the same contraception trap a second time, conservative bare chested hero Putin looks like the big loser in Europe, all the Fox scandals are still laughable two years later and so on. The tea patties are running the asylum now.

These poor posters on here after drooling over the Fox scandals are now thinking Obama will be impeached. I think Obama actually likes this stuff.

Galen, seriously???

Not a "smidgen of evidence?" Nothing?

No delays, no stonewalling, no destruction of evidence, no obstruction of justice, NOTHING??? You really think there's nothing there?

"We have to be careful what we say in e-mails."

"Are instant messaging conversations searchable? No?  PERFECT!"  No intent to cover up here?

Nothing to see here? Really?

You know, Nixon was a far more successful president than Obama, until Watergate. He actually has REAL successes. History says so.

He ended Vietnam. He opened up relations with China. He initiated détente with the Soviet Union. SALT 1, the ABM Treaty. Even some accomplishments liberals could love, because he won re-election in a landslide. Earth Day, set up the EPA, Clean Air act, OSHA. HMO's

You remember any of the pre-Watergate times?

But, even for him, ENOUGH WAS ENOUGH, and upon further extensive review, he was gone. What we need now and might get after mid terms is, further extensive review. Up until now, they have been able to run the clock. That could change.

Not saying it will happen, but I'm saying it isn't delusional to think that it can happen. Politician's are more corrupt now, and the country is more philosophically divided than ever, so the 2/3's needed would be tough. It would take the threat of Democrat politician's from purple states losing their jobs to make it happen, but it IS possible.  

And because the degree of Obama's corruption, lying, and subversion of the law make Nixon look like a Sunday School student, it should happen.
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Posted: 7/13/2014 1:03 AM

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This woman I bet wants to impeach the 2nd black president:




She said:

"...It’s not right. Now billions of dollars want to be borrowed from the White House to help feed and house them.

What about the kids here? In our neighborhood? In our country? Not just in this neighborhood but in our country.

All these kids? Really? Why can’t they go back?

I’m sorry that their parents are in poor living conditions or surroundings or whatever’s going on out there. I don’t care.

I care about what’s going on right here in my own back yard, my neighborhood.

Am i the only one in this community that’s out here that watches the news this morning. Oh, my god! I feel alone right now this this, and I’m very saddened by it..."


Link: http://therightscoop.com/hous...t-they-go-back/



It's blowing up in their faces!!! And as Mohara said: "...Mr. Special Needs diversity hire is surviving on the good graces of a white guilt-ed ultra PC press corps..." rolling.gif that's some funny shizzle! 

It seems something is getting through!











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Posted: 7/13/2014 8:37 PM

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In a sign of things to come, six Democrats joined every Republican to hold Lois Lerner in contempt. In a second resolution, 26 Democrats joined every Republican in demanding that Eric Holder appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the illegal targeting of conservative groups by the IRS. 

More Democrats in swing districts are going to either agree to take this IRS mess seriously or they will lose their jobs. More investigation necessarily means more discovery, and more discovery is NOT going to be good for Obama.

Let the delusion continue.........
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Posted: 7/13/2014 9:06 PM

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SipNDaWisky wrote: This woman I bet wants to impeach the 2nd black president:




She said:

"...It’s not right. Now billions of dollars want to be borrowed from the White House to help feed and house them.

What about the kids here? In our neighborhood? In our country? Not just in this neighborhood but in our country.

All these kids? Really? Why can’t they go back?

I’m sorry that their parents are in poor living conditions or surroundings or whatever’s going on out there. I don’t care.

I care about what’s going on right here in my own back yard, my neighborhood.

Am i the only one in this community that’s out here that watches the news this morning. Oh, my god! I feel alone right now this this, and I’m very saddened by it..."


Link: http://therightscoop.com/hous...t-they-go-back/



It's blowing up in their faces!!! And as Mohara said: "...Mr. Special Needs diversity hire is surviving on the good graces of a white guilt-ed ultra PC press corps..." rolling.gif that's some funny shizzle! 

It seems something is getting through!











Yanni
its not blowing up in thier faces, This is going exactly as the obama admin wants it to go.

Create a crisis (we already have seen evidence that the obama admin is working with the Mexican gov to expedite these kids coming here in masses.

This ad was placed in Jan. The obama admin knew 6 months ago that they would need additional help to deal with 65000 illegals.

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=f orm&id=c6d7c0050b912fbc917a46d6709d38bd&ta b=core&tabmode=list&=s=opportunity&mod e=form&id=c6d7c0050b912fbc917a46d6709d38bd& ;tab=core&tabmode=list&amp

Now that they have a crisis, they need money. Obama is asking for almost 4 billion. They have known for 6 months that this would happen (since they planned it), but they can not give us a break down of where the 4 billion will be spent???

Now that they have a crisis, and are sending unlimited money to help the illegal children. The minorities in this country will demand more. 

Flipping through cable over the weekend, I saw that nut on HBO. Bill mare. They liberal show with all of the liberal nuts. Well, they had some liberal elected nuts on the show and they are boldy coming out and saying how we need to support the people in this country now. They had some stat that claims the average family of 4 needs 120k a year to survive. They then started talking about how we have enough billioniars in this country to support the poor to get all families up to 120k a year. SO the new lib agenda will be to confiscate income and redistribute. The goal to get all people getting 120k a year. 

Now, we know the libs are not that stupid. They clearly understand that you can not make everyone equally rich, or equally happy. But you can make everyone equally dependent. That is the goal. to get complete control andmake everyone equally dependent on the gov
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Posted: 7/14/2014 12:06 AM

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zeusman52 wrote: In a sign of things to come, six Democrats joined every Republican to hold Lois Lerner in contempt. In a second resolution, 26 Democrats joined every Republican in demanding that Eric Holder appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the illegal targeting of conservative groups by the IRS. 

More Democrats in swing districts are going to either agree to take this IRS mess seriously or they will lose their jobs. More investigation necessarily means more discovery, and more discovery is NOT going to be good for Obama.

Let the delusion continue.........
they are still slo-rolling it.  they are waiting until one of the Obama daughters is old enough to run and then they are going to crank out  "all the evidence". 

You all realize you have been chasing the same story for 2 years now?  5 and a half years now?

Talk about delusions...
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Posted: 7/14/2014 2:27 AM

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It takes at least five years to dig through all of the horse manure the Obama administration has been heaping on the American people via the mainstream media, unfortunately propaganda works, but just like aforementioned manure, empty promises and baseless statements will erode.


"The truth is like a lion, it needs no defense, just let it loose."
 

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Posted: 7/14/2014 7:44 AM

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GalenSevinne wrote:
zeusman52 wrote: In a sign of things to come, six Democrats joined every Republican to hold Lois Lerner in contempt. In a second resolution, 26 Democrats joined every Republican in demanding that Eric Holder appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the illegal targeting of conservative groups by the IRS. 

More Democrats in swing districts are going to either agree to take this IRS mess seriously or they will lose their jobs. More investigation necessarily means more discovery, and more discovery is NOT going to be good for Obama.

Let the delusion continue.........
they are still slo-rolling it.  they are waiting until one of the Obama daughters is old enough to run and then they are going to crank out  "all the evidence". 

You all realize you have been chasing the same story for 2 years now?  5 and a half years now?

Talk about delusions...

I know..........

not a smidgen of evidence. nothing to see here, move along.

When the best you can do is an infantile retort, we know your position is weak. We'll see how this plays out though, it really doesn't matter what we think in here.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 9:59 AM

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Galen, your ignorance of history is simply astonishing. Even with a MSM aggressively pursuing the story, it took over two years for Watergate to reach its appropriate conclusion. Much to your dismay I know, this tsunami of scandal isn't going away. No justice, no peace. Own it, comrade.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 11:30 AM

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Liberal law professor Jonathan Turley says there is a strong case for Boehner's lawsuit. This is not a political stunt, This is one of the available mechanism's, short of impeachment, to try to counter Obama's abuse of power.

"There's no license for "going it alone" in our system, and what he's done is very problematic" says Turley. Continuing,

"He has shifted $454 million from the ACA from appropriated purpose to another purpose. He's told some agencies not to enforce some laws, like immigration laws. He has effectively rewritten laws through active interpretation that I find problematic."

"I happen to agree with the president on many of his priorities and policies, but as I testified in Congress, I think that he has crossed the constitutional line."

So Galen, liberals a whole lot smarter than you believe that Obama has exceeded his authority. I think Boehner is trying to save Obama from himself with this lawsuit. We'll have to wait and see what comes of it all.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 4:22 PM

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yourdreamwillend wrote:
SipNDaWisky wrote: This woman I bet wants to impeach the 2nd black president:




She said:

"...It’s not right. Now billions of dollars want to be borrowed from the White House to help feed and house them.

What about the kids here? In our neighborhood? In our country? Not just in this neighborhood but in our country.

All these kids? Really? Why can’t they go back?

I’m sorry that their parents are in poor living conditions or surroundings or whatever’s going on out there. I don’t care.

I care about what’s going on right here in my own back yard, my neighborhood.

Am i the only one in this community that’s out here that watches the news this morning. Oh, my god! I feel alone right now this this, and I’m very saddened by it..."


Link: http://therightscoop.com/hous...t-they-go-back/



It's blowing up in their faces!!! And as Mohara said: "...Mr. Special Needs diversity hire is surviving on the good graces of a white guilt-ed ultra PC press corps..." rolling.gif that's some funny shizzle! 

It seems something is getting through!











Yanni
its not blowing up in thier faces, This is going exactly as the obama admin wants it to go.


Ok... sure... that's if Obama's intent was to drive Republicans and Demonrats away from the so-called immigration reform "Bill". And create chaos without any benefit legislatively... Don't get me wrong, i believe Obama believes this chaos is an opportunity to ram through his idea of "change". He feels this is an opportunity.  But i don't see how this crisis that he created has helped him or the Demonrat party at all! The fact that these illegal immigrant children are being used to destabilize the country, by moving them (and their diseases) into the interior of the nation and the request for billions, i think is just another tipping point for some. I still have some "hope" that some will see a bit more clearly and see Obama as he truly is...

Honestly, I'm a bit more optimistic than 6 months ago, than 3 months ago, than 2 months ago... I still believe in America, even after losing all "hope" these past 6 years!  


Create a crisis (we already have seen evidence that the obama admin is working with the Mexican gov to expedite these kids coming here in masses.

This ad was placed in Jan. The obama admin knew 6 months ago that they would need additional help to deal with 65000 illegals.

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=f orm&id=c6d7c0050b912fbc917a46d6709d38bd&ta b=core&tabmode=list&=s=opportunity&mod e=form&id=c6d7c0050b912fbc917a46d6709d38bd& ;amp ;tab=core&tabmode=list&amp

Now that they have a crisis, they need money. Obama is asking for almost 4 billion. They have known for 6 months that this would happen (since they planned it), but they can not give us a break down of where the 4 billion will be spent???

Now that they have a crisis, and are sending unlimited money to help the illegal children. The minorities in this country will demand more. 

Flipping through cable over the weekend, I saw that nut on HBO. Bill mare. They liberal show with all of the liberal nuts. Well, they had some liberal elected nuts on the show and they are boldy coming out and saying how we need to support the people in this country now. They had some stat that claims the average family of 4 needs 120k a year to survive. They then started talking about how we have enough billioniars in this country to support the poor to get all families up to 120k a year. SO the new lib agenda will be to confiscate income and redistribute. The goal to get all people getting 120k a year. 

Now, we know the libs are not that stupid.


No! No! they are that stupid!biggrin Haven't you ever heard of Rep. Shelia Jackson Lee:

shiela jackson lee  moron



they're just better at "politics" than the even bigger idiots, the GOP, known as "The Stupid Party".  


They clearly understand that you can not make everyone equally rich, or equally happy. But you can make everyone equally dependent. That is the goal. to get complete control andmake everyone equally dependent on the gov









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Posted: 7/14/2014 7:09 PM

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Holy crap. Did SJL really say that about Mars? I knew that she traded intelligence for extensions, but I didn't think that she went all in.
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Posted: 7/17/2014 10:00 AM

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GalenSevinne wrote:
zeusman52 wrote: In a sign of things to come, six Democrats joined every Republican to hold Lois Lerner in contempt. In a second resolution, 26 Democrats joined every Republican in demanding that Eric Holder appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the illegal targeting of conservative groups by the IRS. 

More Democrats in swing districts are going to either agree to take this IRS mess seriously or they will lose their jobs. More investigation necessarily means more discovery, and more discovery is NOT going to be good for Obama.

Let the delusion continue.........
they are still slo-rolling it.  they are waiting until one of the Obama daughters is old enough to run and then they are going to crank out  "all the evidence". 

You all realize you have been chasing the same story for 2 years now?  5 and a half years now?

Talk about delusions...
Go ahead and bring up the birth certificate, scream Benghazi at the top of your lungs, shout IRS and NSA, the FACT is Obama, according to Jonathan Turley, uber liberal constitutional lawyer, says Obama has crossed the constitutional line with all of this "going it alone."

The problem with Obama is not where he was born, it's where he lives now..................

The Republicans can chose to do nothing about Obama, that's a choice they can make. Since they are gutless, that is probably the choice they will make. But the abuses of power are real enough and numerous enough to impeach him if they so chose.

Obama has made the calculation that they are spineless enough, and his fellow Democrats are partisan enough, that he can do anything he wants. He calculates that 2/3rds of the Senate will never remove him from office. As the investigations ramp up over the summer, we'll see more of what's there. I'm glad they slow walked all of it, this should be an interesting summer / fall political season.

After the mid terms, we'll see how it all plays out............
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Posted: 7/17/2014 2:58 PM

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The Hill has a poll out today that places illegal migration at #1 on the list of people's concerns in America. Interestingly, out of the top 17 responses, most notably missing from the list entirely is global cooling/warming/climate change/climate disruption/whatever they're calling it today. What is also notable is that the immigration issue is now NOT seen as a liability to Republicans. This of course is due to nothing that the Repubs have done - it's due to the complete cluster f*** that the Dems have created on what used to be our southern border.

While November will certainly favor Repubs, it won't be the rout that it should be. The Repubs are about as impotent and limp wristed as the White House when it comes to major issues. We are a nation is crisis - crisis not seen since 1860. The people want leadership that solves the nation's problems, not exacerbates them.

With regards to impeachment, I stand my ground. If some of the offenses this President has done are not impeachable, I'm not sure what is. The conventional wisdom is, "Well, we have the votes to impeach, but not to convict and remove from office - therefore it is not in the best political interest to move forward." This is not about political expediency. This is about the rule of law, the oath of office, upholding and defending the Constitution and the laws of the land. Instead we get, "I have a pen and a phone."

We now have the President ordering a staff member to defy a Congressional subpoena. Big problem. A subpoena is not an invitation to a birthday party - it's a summons, and one does not have the option of declining. What needs to happen here is that this gentleman needs to be put under House arrest and held until he answers the subpoena. Then the President himself needs to be subpoenaed, put under oath, and asked questions regarding why he ordered (either actively or passively) the staff member to defy the subpoena.

Finally, I'm not on board with the "slow-rolling" of the multitude of scandals strategy that some believe is taking place. On the flip side, I believe that the administration will be manufacturing some October surprises of his own. For example, there's little doubt in my mind that our Marine in captivity in Mexico will be coming home to much fanfare and presidential thumping of chest in either September or October. The media will fawn and declare it a "major diplomatic victory." Look also for a show on the border - likely a plane load or two of illegal migrants being sent home. They will have been hand selected and be the worst of the worst that have been rounded up crossing what was once our border with Mexico.
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