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Posted: 12/14/2012 2:42 PM

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Wow.. How utterly horrific.

The details are going to be horrible. So far a 20yr old shooter killing kindergartners.

I think this may be one of the most horrific shooting or school shooting or crime of any kind in the country in quite some time.
This monster is almost unthinkable. Shooting 6 yr olds execution style..

What in the world...!?

So so sad... Thoughts go out to all these family's. What a horrible holiday they are about to have.

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Posted: 12/14/2012 2:54 PM

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Hottbirdz wrote:

Wow.. How utterly horrific.

The details are going to be horrible. So far a 20yr old shooter killing kindergartners.

I think this may be one of the most horrific shooting or school shooting or crime of any kind in the country in quite some time.
This monster is almost unthinkable. Shooting 6 yr olds execution style..

What in the world...!?

So so sad... Thoughts go out to all these family's. What a horrible holiday they are about to have.

The shooter was 24-year-old Ryan Lanza, from New Jersey, but I could really give a rat's @ss about this monster's name.

It's impossible to try to even put into words...  It's unfathomable what these families are going through right now.  These are elementary school kids!!!  This truly is the stuff of nightmares.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 3:25 PM

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His mother was a teacher in the school, and one of his victims (killed). What kind of sick F*$^ executes kids?

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Posted: 12/14/2012 3:40 PM

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I don't know, Obama was trying not to cry at his presser and Megyn Kelly had to go off air I am so sick to my stomach , these kids are 3 years older then my grandson. There are not words to describe what happened I hope there is a special place I hell for the shooter.

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Posted: 12/14/2012 3:54 PM

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I don't even know how you fix these things from happening.

Incredibly tragic. I'm usually pretty immune to the horrible things that happen in the world. This one has really disturbed me.

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Posted: 12/14/2012 3:59 PM

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How much lower can this society sink?
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:50 PM

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JLew295 wrote: I don't even know how you fix these things from happening.

Incredibly tragic. I'm usually pretty immune to the horrible things that happen in the world. This one has really disturbed me.
Martin Luther King said it best:

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. 

In alot of ways it makes so much sense. You have to reach kids early, show them love and affection, AND ESPECIALLY for kids that are NOT yours. So often i see grown ass adults turn away kids, young kids with no one loving them, & the kids turn into sick adults. Every single adult that have the mindset "Thats not MY child, they need to be in a shelter or somewhere else" are to blame for alot of the sickos in this world. Its a constant cycle of hate breeding resentment & disdain for life. 

This was a terrorist, although in our society, alot of "terrorists" we think of come from abroad. Not only domestically, but abroad we have to break the cycle of hate. The approach we have now to use a bullet & a needle for every sick individual isnt enough, because 5-10 more will replace them. We need to preach affection, no matter how corny or weak or "non-machismo" it sounds. If there is a kid that looks lonely, even if you dont know them, if they are crying, or look as if their world is crashing, lift them up in some way. You could be turning around a life in the process, to prevent monsters like these from roaming the earth.

Bullets, missiles, bills passed from congress, or any laws will not stop this crazy cycle from occurring. Its going to take a more affectionate society in order for heinous acts like these to cease, domestically and abroad.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 6:18 PM

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Human Beings are the lowest form of life on Earth.

Bible lovers, how does a loving God allow this to happen?

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Posted: 12/14/2012 6:30 PM

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theravenkidd wrote:
JLew295 wrote: I don't even know how you fix these things from happening.

Incredibly tragic. I'm usually pretty immune to the horrible things that happen in the world. This one has really disturbed me.
Martin Luther King said it best:

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. 

In alot of ways it makes so much sense. You have to reach kids early, show them love and affection, AND ESPECIALLY for kids that are NOT yours. So often i see grown ass adults turn away kids, young kids with no one loving them, & the kids turn into sick adults. Every single adult that have the mindset "Thats not MY child, they need to be in a shelter or somewhere else" are to blame for alot of the sickos in this world. Its a constant cycle of hate breeding resentment & disdain for life. 

This was a terrorist, although in our society, alot of "terrorists" we think of come from abroad. Not only domestically, but abroad we have to break the cycle of hate. The approach we have now to use a bullet & a needle for every sick individual isnt enough, because 5-10 more will replace them. We need to preach affection, no matter how corny or weak or "non-machismo" it sounds. If there is a kid that looks lonely, even if you dont know them, if they are crying, or look as if their world is crashing, lift them up in some way. You could be turning around a life in the process, to prevent monsters like these from roaming the earth.

Bullets, missiles, bills passed from congress, or any laws will not stop this crazy cycle from occurring. Its going to take a more affectionate society in order for heinous acts like these to cease, domestically and abroad.
This is true, but in the coming weeks the debate will begin with ways the government can further intrude in our lives as a way of protection, and panic stricken Americans will let them have at it. The gun control debate is already in full effect.

There really isn't much you can do to stop bat-sh*t crazy. If we want to have a way to help protect our children while they are simply trying to learn then I actually do have an idea. I see cops sitting around doing nothing all day long. I've talked to cops that laugh about their "nap" spots, and worse their "hook up" spots. The Royal Farm Store up the street from me always has at least one cop sitting on the parking lot, usually two or three. Since we all know that our law enforcement officers do this sitting around for a good portion of their day, then why not have them sit on school parking lots, or near playgrounds?
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Posted: 12/14/2012 7:08 PM

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ravens1980 wrote: Human Beings are the lowest form of life on Earth.

Bible lovers, how does a loving God allow this to happen?
The one question I cannot past....
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Posted: 12/14/2012 7:30 PM

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How do you stop this from happening in the future? That should be he number 1 question moving forward. For schools, make all schools single entry points with man traps and armed guards between the main entrance and an inner doorway to the rest of the school. All other doors should be made exit only with no method of opening them from the outside and connected to an alarm with multi-factor authentication (badge plus PIN) from teachers or other faculty. That handles the physical security of buildings. Not terribly complex, somewhat costly, but very effective.

As for crazies getting firearms, that is the bigger problem. I have shown before to be a very big defender of the 2nd Amendment. But I have drawn the line at the mentally unstable. So has the federal government. No one seems to have a problem saying the mentally incompetent should not have access to firearms, yet we see cases where they buy them legally, then use them on innocent people. So the question here is how to stop that. I ignore the issues where the firearms are illegally obtained - no law will stop that from happening. As for the mentally unstable trying to legally obtain a firearm, require a recommendation from a psychiatric evaluation. It's a bit extreme, I will admit. But the Constitution does not say anything about obtaining firearms, merely that the right to keep them is guaranteed. You already need to submit to a background check, and that's not going away any time soon. So is a recommendation from a mental health professional (who is not authorized to say why the specific recommendation was given due to protections from HIPAA that would be retained under my scheme) any different? It becomes a more extended background check.

Either that, or as Chris Rock once suggested, make bullets cost $5000 each. Not exactly realistic, but no one is going to come up with $100,000 to shoot up an elementary school.

Not trying to fan any flames here, but trying to offer some realistic solutions to a legitimate problem.

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Posted: 12/14/2012 7:55 PM

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cvilleRaven wrote: How do you stop this from happening in the future? That should be he number 1 question moving forward. For schools, make all schools single entry points with man traps and armed guards between the main entrance and an inner doorway to the rest of the school. All other doors should be made exit only with no method of opening them from the outside and connected to an alarm with multi-factor authentication (badge plus PIN) from teachers or other faculty. That handles the physical security of buildings. Not terribly complex, somewhat costly, but very effective.

As for crazies getting firearms, that is the bigger problem. I have shown before to be a very big defender of the 2nd Amendment. But I have drawn the line at the mentally unstable. So has the federal government. No one seems to have a problem saying the mentally incompetent should not have access to firearms, yet we see cases where they buy them legally, then use them on innocent people. So the question here is how to stop that. I ignore the issues where the firearms are illegally obtained - no law will stop that from happening. As for the mentally unstable trying to legally obtain a firearm, require a recommendation from a psychiatric evaluation. It's a bit extreme, I will admit. But the Constitution does not say anything about obtaining firearms, merely that the right to keep them is guaranteed. You already need to submit to a background check, and that's not going away any time soon. So is a recommendation from a mental health professional (who is not authorized to say why the specific recommendation was given due to protections from HIPAA that would be retained under my scheme) any different? It becomes a more extended background check.

Either that, or as Chris Rock once suggested, make bullets cost $5000 each. Not exactly realistic, but no one is going to come up with $100,000 to shoot up an elementary school.

Not trying to fan any flames here, but trying to offer some realistic solutions to a legitimate problem.
Cville -- I understand what you are saying and what to do, but I have to ask why are you focused on gun tragedies?  Please know that I am not trying to diminish what took place today, but also realize that there are approximately 1,300,000 people killed in auto accidents per year and of those, approximately 30% (390,000) are children.  Where are the calls to outlaw/over regulate/over legislate automobiles?

Perhaps it is too early for this type of counter argument, and I apologize if I offend anyone, but why have we as a society grown numb to the other ways children lose their lives?
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Posted: 12/14/2012 8:24 PM

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cvilleRaven wrote: How do you stop this from happening in the future? That should be he number 1 question moving forward. For schools, make all schools single entry points with man traps and armed guards between the main entrance and an inner doorway to the rest of the school. All other doors should be made exit only with no method of opening them from the outside and connected to an alarm with multi-factor authentication (badge plus PIN) from teachers or other faculty. That handles the physical security of buildings. Not terribly complex, somewhat costly, but very effective.

As for crazies getting firearms, that is the bigger problem. I have shown before to be a very big defender of the 2nd Amendment. But I have drawn the line at the mentally unstable. So has the federal government. No one seems to have a problem saying the mentally incompetent should not have access to firearms, yet we see cases where they buy them legally, then use them on innocent people. So the question here is how to stop that. I ignore the issues where the firearms are illegally obtained - no law will stop that from happening. As for the mentally unstable trying to legally obtain a firearm, require a recommendation from a psychiatric evaluation. It's a bit extreme, I will admit. But the Constitution does not say anything about obtaining firearms, merely that the right to keep them is guaranteed. You already need to submit to a background check, and that's not going away any time soon. So is a recommendation from a mental health professional (who is not authorized to say why the specific recommendation was given due to protections from HIPAA that would be retained under my scheme) any different? It becomes a more extended background check.

Either that, or as Chris Rock once suggested, make bullets cost $5000 each. Not exactly realistic, but no one is going to come up with $100,000 to shoot up an elementary school.

Not trying to fan any flames here, but trying to offer some realistic solutions to a legitimate problem.
Cville -- I understand what you are saying and what to do, but I have to ask why are you focused on gun tragedies?  Please know that I am not trying to diminish what took place today, but also realize that there are approximately 1,300,000 people killed in auto accidents per year and of those, approximately 30% (390,000) are children.  Where are the calls to outlaw/over regulate/over legislate automobiles?

Perhaps it is too early for this type of counter argument, and I apologize if I offend anyone, but why have we as a society grown numb to the other ways children lose their lives?

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You'll notice that I broke the CT incident into two distinct (yet related in this case) problems - school security and keeping firearms out of the hands of mentally unstable people.

As for people being killed in collisions, give specific scenarios and I will answer them with what I feel are viable solutions.

For the 1.3 million people killed in auto collisions, how many of those are the result of DUIs? There needs to be a more strict punishment for DUI - if convicted, this first time, you lose your license. FOREVER. I don't care why you drove drunk. You did it. It's no secret the effects of alcohol and the ability to drive. Knowing that doing it and getting caught will reduce your potential livelihood for the rest of your life might get people to make better decisions before they leave there residence before a night of planned drinking. As for the idiots who make poor decisions later on, we'll, there's no limit to human stupidity.

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Posted: 12/14/2012 9:51 PM

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This nation needs better gun control, not gun prohibition but better gun control.  "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" is laughable in this incident because this kid wouldn't have killed 26 people if he didn't have three automatic weapons in him.  Guns seriously aid in the killing of people.  Why else would we have them?

That being said, better gun control wouldn't prevent senseless killings.  Gun prohibition would eventually have an impact but this would be a serious and unnecessary overreach.   Guns are the problem but talking about them is not the solution here.

Universal healthcare with effective mental health care is important.  Better funded schools is important.  Better funded mental health care connected with better funded schools would have a measureable impact on a lot of societal ills.  Of course, Republicans would never allow the type of spending necessary to heal kids in this manner.  They are too worried about the deficit since we have a democrat as a President.  Maybe if they can win a Presidential election in the near future we can get back to taking care of kids since we won't be all caught up in the fake outrage of fiscal cliffs, debt ceilings and the black dude taking all the stuff.

Which brings me to the discussion this country needs to have since guns are inevitable and spending money on social programs is the equivalent of Kenyan Colonial Communist Marxism.  I don't know the solution to the problem of planned mass shootings but I do believe the answer is held within the fact that 99% of these shootings are executed by the same demographic: The white male.  As long as one of the two major political parties in the country runs 90% of its campaigns on coded references to the white man losing "his country", this demographic and whatever the variables are that lead to its exclusive hold on mass senseless killings will only get worse.  This is the relevant conversation we need to be having.

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Posted: 12/14/2012 10:40 PM

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A lot of the mental health issues happened when the ill were deinstutialized in the 80's and 90's. there is no answer I can think of. God 'lets' bad things happen because of free will-- ill leave the rest for Greg and 12 th.

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Posted: 12/14/2012 11:05 PM

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GalenSevinne wrote:

This nation needs better gun control, not gun prohibition but better gun control.  "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" is laughable in this incident because this kid wouldn't have killed 26 people if he didn't have three automatic weapons in him.  Guns seriously aid in the killing of people.  Why else would we have them?

That being said, better gun control wouldn't prevent senseless killings.  Gun prohibition would eventually have an impact but this would be a serious and unnecessary overreach.   Guns are the problem but talking about them is not the solution here.

Universal healthcare with effective mental health care is important.  Better funded schools is important.  Better funded mental health care connected with better funded schools would have a measureable impact on a lot of societal ills.  Of course, Republicans would never allow the type of spending necessary to heal kids in this manner.  They are too worried about the deficit since we have a democrat as a President.  Maybe if they can win a Presidential election in the near future we can get back to taking care of kids since we won't be all caught up in the fake outrage of fiscal cliffs, debt ceilings and the black dude taking all the stuff.

Which brings me to the discussion this country needs to have since guns are inevitable and spending money on social programs is the equivalent of Kenyan Colonial Communist Marxism.  I don't know the solution to the problem of planned mass shootings but I do believe the answer is held within the fact that 99% of these shootings are executed by the same demographic: The white male.  As long as one of the two major political parties in the country runs 90% of its campaigns on coded references to the white man losing "his country", this demographic and whatever the variables are that lead to its exclusive hold on mass senseless killings will only get worse.  This is the relevant conversation we need to be having.

Are you actually blaming the Republican party for this tragedy.  You have lost all credibility with me.  Damn shame too because while I rarely agreed with you politically, you used to do a pretty solid job articulating your point and I at least respected your opinion.  Time to enact the ignore feature.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 11:39 PM

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GalenSevinne wrote:

This nation needs better gun control, not gun prohibition but better gun control.  "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" is laughable in this incident because this kid wouldn't have killed 26 people if he didn't have three automatic weapons in him.  Guns seriously aid in the killing of people.  Why else would we have them?

That being said, better gun control wouldn't prevent senseless killings.  Gun prohibition would eventually have an impact but this would be a serious and unnecessary overreach.   Guns are the problem but talking about them is not the solution here.

Universal healthcare with effective mental health care is important.  Better funded schools is important.  Better funded mental health care connected with better funded schools would have a measureable impact on a lot of societal ills.  Of course, Republicans would never allow the type of spending necessary to heal kids in this manner.  They are too worried about the deficit since we have a democrat as a President.  Maybe if they can win a Presidential election in the near future we can get back to taking care of kids since we won't be all caught up in the fake outrage of fiscal cliffs, debt ceilings and the black dude taking all the stuff.

Which brings me to the discussion this country needs to have since guns are inevitable and spending money on social programs is the equivalent of Kenyan Colonial Communist Marxism.  I don't know the solution to the problem of planned mass shootings but I do believe the answer is held within the fact that 99% of these shootings are executed by the same demographic: The white male.  As long as one of the two major political parties in the country runs 90% of its campaigns on coded references to the white man losing "his country", this demographic and whatever the variables are that lead to its exclusive hold on mass senseless killings will only get worse.  This is the relevant conversation we need to be having.

You are fvckin' lunatic.  Please STFU.

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Posted: 12/14/2012 11:44 PM

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HEEEEEEEEAP wrote:
GalenSevinne wrote:

This nation needs better gun control, not gun prohibition but better gun control.  "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" is laughable in this incident because this kid wouldn't have killed 26 people if he didn't have three automatic weapons in him.  Guns seriously aid in the killing of people.  Why else would we have them?

That being said, better gun control wouldn't prevent senseless killings.  Gun prohibition would eventually have an impact but this would be a serious and unnecessary overreach.   Guns are the problem but talking about them is not the solution here.

Universal healthcare with effective mental health care is important.  Better funded schools is important.  Better funded mental health care connected with better funded schools would have a measureable impact on a lot of societal ills.  Of course, Republicans would never allow the type of spending necessary to heal kids in this manner.  They are too worried about the deficit since we have a democrat as a President.  Maybe if they can win a Presidential election in the near future we can get back to taking care of kids since we won't be all caught up in the fake outrage of fiscal cliffs, debt ceilings and the black dude taking all the stuff.

Which brings me to the discussion this country needs to have since guns are inevitable and spending money on social programs is the equivalent of Kenyan Colonial Communist Marxism.  I don't know the solution to the problem of planned mass shootings but I do believe the answer is held within the fact that 99% of these shootings are executed by the same demographic: The white male.  As long as one of the two major political parties in the country runs 90% of its campaigns on coded references to the white man losing "his country", this demographic and whatever the variables are that lead to its exclusive hold on mass senseless killings will only get worse.  This is the relevant conversation we need to be having.

Are you actually blaming the Republican party for this tragedy.  You have lost all credibility with me.  Damn shame too because while I rarely agreed with you politically, you used to do a pretty solid job articulating your point and I at least respected your opinion.  Time to enact the ignore feature.
No where in my statement do I blame the Republican party for this killing.  What I said was there is a very specific demographic, the white male, that perpetuates these senseless mass killings.  This can't be denied.  If we want to impact this problem, we need to figure why this is true.  Unfortunately and simultaneously/concurrently, we have a political party that appeals mostly only to white males and embeds most of their articles of appeal with projections of white males losing their dominance.  The fact that white males are the perpetrators of mass killing and in every election cycle, we are saturated with coded references intended to motivate white males to vote for their historic entitlements, is a dangerous combination moving forward. 

Cover your ears and yell "nah nah nah nah" all you want.  After Columbine, many of the conversations in the academic world were about why white males were committing these killings.  Investigations of the killer's profiles, post-incident, almost always uncovered attitudes comprised of anger over some sense of loss or powerlessness.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 12:19 AM

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Bible lovers, how does a loving God allow this to happen?


That question has been asked repeatedly throughout history. In short, God gives all of us free will. Without free will, we cannot love freely and are therefore robots controlled by a master. There are rules of live given by God to his children - of course the ten commandments come to mind. But the Bible has an array of edicts from God on how families should raise their children and how society should be structured. Increasingly these suggestions are thrown aside as too "limiting" or imposing. As out society turns it's back on the God we can expect more of these incidents, not less. Humans are innately given unconditional love from their creator in a way demonstrated on Calvary. To bad many of our children today don't know their innate worth in the eyes of God.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 1:39 AM

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GalenSevinne wrote:

This nation needs better gun control, not gun prohibition but better gun control.  "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" is laughable in this incident because this kid wouldn't have killed 26 people if he didn't have three automatic weapons in him.  Guns seriously aid in the killing of people.  Why else would we have them?

That being said, better gun control wouldn't prevent senseless killings.  Gun prohibition would eventually have an impact but this would be a serious and unnecessary overreach.   Guns are the problem but talking about them is not the solution here.

Universal healthcare with effective mental health care is important.  Better funded schools is important.  Better funded mental health care connected with better funded schools would have a measureable impact on a lot of societal ills.  Of course, Republicans would never allow the type of spending necessary to heal kids in this manner.  They are too worried about the deficit since we have a democrat as a President.  Maybe if they can win a Presidential election in the near future we can get back to taking care of kids since we won't be all caught up in the fake outrage of fiscal cliffs, debt ceilings and the black dude taking all the stuff.

Which brings me to the discussion this country needs to have since guns are inevitable and spending money on social programs is the equivalent of Kenyan Colonial Communist Marxism.  I don't know the solution to the problem of planned mass shootings but I do believe the answer is held within the fact that 99% of these shootings are executed by the same demographic: The white male.  As long as one of the two major political parties in the country runs 90% of its campaigns on coded references to the white man losing "his country", this demographic and whatever the variables are that lead to its exclusive hold on mass senseless killings will only get worse.  This is the relevant conversation we need to be having.

Wow, just wow! Ban me from this board, but **** you!, you pathetic political cheerleader.
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