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Posted: 11/7/2012 1:25 PM

Obama Term 2 


So now that our loooooong national election is over, what do you think Obama tries to do with his second term?


I think that we will see a more liberal Obama now that he is not burdened with trying to appeal to all these people that he really did not want to.

The fiscal cliff will take every-bodies attention and cooperation right away. But after that...




--I think immigration is going to be at the very top of the list. The GOP can no longer afford to get in the way.

--I am thinking he may pull back the raids by the DOJ on facilities in CA now that CO and WA has basically "legalized it". I think a lot of that was so that he could not be seen as soft on drugs in this election. Could be a huge source for tax money that is now going to gangs in mexico. It needs to be reversed.

--Make a push for better energy and power infrastructure on the east. After Sandy... this needs to get started. Yesterday.

--Will really push for gay marriage now.

--At least 1 perhaps 2 SC justices.



I have a few more that I think are on the top of his list. But then again I did not see the HC bill being pushed as fierce as it was. But I am thinking we will see a bit more of the Obama that the Dems want to see.

Lets go. We have work to do!

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Posted: 11/7/2012 1:52 PM

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As long as he doesn't have to appoint any new SC justices, doesn't affect any firearm importation laws, or try anything with another assault weapons ban, his presidency will mean the same thing to me as Romney being elected.

Hell, if he strikes down 922r, I might give him some slack. So sick and tired of having to put shitty american parts on my assault rifles.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 1:54 PM

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How about forcing Harry Reid to pass a freaking budget?  That would be a marked improvement over Term 1.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 1:59 PM

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HEEEEEEEEAP wrote: How about forcing Harry Reid to pass a freaking budget?  That would be a marked improvement over Term 1.

I think you missed the word balanced in there somewhere...   like a normal person's checkbook.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 2:00 PM

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How about forcing Harry Reid to pass a freaking budget?  That would be a marked improvement over Term 1.

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That would be nice lol
I think the divide in the country is going to be worse then ever, I really hope I'm wrong .

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Posted: 11/7/2012 2:02 PM

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Yeah, because personal checkbooks definitely are comparable to the budget of an entire democracy. When are conservatives going to realize that running a country is nothing like running a business or your own personal finances?

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Posted: 11/7/2012 2:03 PM

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Obviously I want a budget, but when is the last time this country had a balanced budget? Seriously asking here.

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Posted: 11/7/2012 2:04 PM

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JLew295 wrote: Obviously I want a budget, but when is the last time this country had a balanced budget? Seriously asking here.
By law, most states have to balance their budget.  No reason the federal gov't can't do the same thing.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 2:07 PM

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JLew295 wrote: Obviously I want a budget, but when is the last time this country had a balanced budget? Seriously asking here.

I'm guessing back when Clinton was in office? Can't remember if it was done during Bush's tenure.

I smell tacos...

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Posted: 11/7/2012 2:10 PM

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stephenjames1979 wrote:
JLew295 wrote: Obviously I want a budget, but when is the last time this country had a balanced budget? Seriously asking here.

I'm guessing back when Clinton was in office? Can't remember if it was done during Bush's tenure.

nope the Newt Gingrich led Congress was the last to do so to my knowledge.  He was, in fact, my choice for a Republican candidate for that very reason. 

And yes, it's not the same as runnign a household or business, but that doesn't change the fact that a balanced or better budget is a necessity for long-term survival of htis nation.  Deficit spending can be a good thing, at times, for short term need.  Long term, continued deficit spending has gotten us to where we are today.  THis is not a good place to be.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 2:10 PM

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Cliniton had a balance budget and a surplus. It is written in to MD Law for a balanced budget and they do it every year.

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Posted: 11/7/2012 2:11 PM

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stephenjames1979 wrote:
JLew295 wrote: Obviously I want a budget, but when is the last time this country had a balanced budget? Seriously asking here.

I'm guessing back when Clinton was in office? Can't remember if it was done during Bush's tenure.
Funny thing about that...

More recently, the federal budget was balanced in fiscal years 1998, 1999, 2000 and 2001. A Republican-controlled Congress approved the appropriations for each one of those years and Democratic President Bill Clinton signed them. In fiscal years 1994 and 1995, when President Clinton governed with a Democrat-controlled Congress, the federal government ran deficits of $203.2 billion and $163.9 billion respectively.


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Posted: 11/7/2012 2:23 PM

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JLew295 wrote: Yeah, because personal checkbooks definitely are comparable to the budget of an entire democracy. When are conservatives going to realize that running a country is nothing like running a business or your own personal finances?
Bwahahahahah!  Oh this is priceless, unlike Obama's socialist programs.  In your mind debits and credits are "relative"? ... tragic.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 2:40 PM

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There are a lot of things that have to be accounted for when you run a country that aren't like a business.

You can't "fire" people that are struggling to find work, you have to help them out as a country, because it is in everyone's best interests. You have billions of dollars that you have to spend on defense.

I understand that debits and credits are the same no matter what. But to simplify the national budget to the point of money in and money out doesn't make sense to me.

Also, I know states and municipalities have to have balanced budgets, but that's a lot harder to do on a national level.

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Posted: 11/7/2012 2:46 PM

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JLew295 wrote: There are a lot of things that have to be accounted for when you run a country that aren't like a business.

You can't "fire" people that are struggling to find work, you have to help them out as a country, because it is in everyone's best interests. You have billions of dollars that you have to spend on defense.

I understand that debits and credits are the same no matter what. But to simplify the national budget to the point of money in and money out doesn't make sense to me.

Also, I know states and municipalities have to have balanced budgets, but that's a lot harder to do on a national level.
if you fire the people that can't find work, i bet they magically begin to find work...    when their backs are against hte wall they will do what they have to.  Right now they are being supported in their quest for laziness.  Not to mention how many people accept unemployment and then work under the table.  It is a gigantic portion. 

If a state can do it, the Country can, MOST OF THE TIME.  I understand that exceptions are made, particularly in times of war, but the status quo should absolutely be a balanced budget.  Continued deficit spending is a track towards disaster, and there is simply no other way to put it.  That is not an exagerration, it is reality.  It's simple math.  IF CHina stopped lending us money tomorrow, and the ability to print money were removed, half the government would shut down tomorrow.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 3:27 PM

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JLew295 wrote: Yeah, because personal checkbooks definitely are comparable to the budget of an entire democracy. When are conservatives going to realize that running a country is nothing like running a business or your own personal finances?

Oh boy, it's scary that people who think like this are registered to vote.  When was the last time that unemployment was less than 5%.  Just because it hasn't happened recently doesn't mean that it shouldn't happen.

And BTW, when a country runs out of money they print more, ruin the currency and create massive inflation.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 3:39 PM

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jonboy79 wrote:
JLew295 wrote: There are a lot of things that have to be accounted for when you run a country that aren't like a business.

You can't "fire" people that are struggling to find work, you have to help them out as a country, because it is in everyone's best interests. You have billions of dollars that you have to spend on defense.

I understand that debits and credits are the same no matter what. But to simplify the national budget to the point of money in and money out doesn't make sense to me.

Also, I know states and municipalities have to have balanced budgets, but that's a lot harder to do on a national level.
if you fire the people that can't find work, i bet they magically begin to find work...    when their backs are against hte wall they will do what they have to.  Right now they are being supported in their quest for laziness.  Not to mention how many people accept unemployment and then work under the table.  It is a gigantic portion. 

If a state can do it, the Country can, MOST OF THE TIME.  I understand that exceptions are made, particularly in times of war, but the status quo should absolutely be a balanced budget.  Continued deficit spending is a track towards disaster, and there is simply no other way to put it.  That is not an exagerration, it is reality. 

I agree with you here. I WANT a balanced budget. We are coming off of a decade of war, with much of it still on going. I'm not sure how it gets done right now, but I think it is what should be done.

As a bleeding heart liberal, I don't like cutting social programs. biggrin


It's simple math.  IF CHina stopped lending us money tomorrow, and the ability to print money were removed, half the government would shut down tomorrow.

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Posted: 11/7/2012 3:40 PM

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Trackmaster wrote:
JLew295 wrote: Yeah, because personal checkbooks definitely are comparable to the budget of an entire democracy. When are conservatives going to realize that running a country is nothing like running a business or your own personal finances?

Oh boy, it's scary that people who think like this are registered to vote.  When was the last time that unemployment was less than 5%.  Just because it hasn't happened recently doesn't mean that it shouldn't happen.

How do I think? Did I ever say it shouldn't happen? I just said that balancing a national budget is much more difficult than the posters over simplification.

And BTW, when a country runs out of money they print more, ruin the currency and create massive inflation.

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Posted: 11/7/2012 4:01 PM

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Getting kind of off topic here.


--- After thinking about it, I believe Obama may go ahead and do the "pipeline" and perhaps pretty quickly. It's an easy way to reach out to the right in a, basically, symbolic gesture.


--- I also think Ginsberg retires fairly soon...knowing Barry can pick her YOUNG successor.

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Posted: 11/7/2012 4:59 PM

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I'd also like to see Obama do more with climate change.

We were leaders against CFCs and we successfully closed the ozone hole. I think we can do it again with climate change, and create a lot of good jobs in the process.

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