l

I still don't understand why Morgan has not taken the field? Does anyone know? I mean he showed some promise in pre-season and it doesn't take a brain surgeon to work out that our safeties are pretty horrible at the moment. Why wouldn't the kid get a shot? Has he pissed off Haley or something?

This Haley and getting pissed off and not starting people is beginning to piss me off!!!! Put your best out there.......and stop putting people in your dog house becuase they pissed you off.........it only hurts the team and has NO motivational value what so ever...............

I am beginning to think the Haley experiment is not going to work...... 

Are you turning this into another LJ thread?  Ironic, no?  I want to play....

moonshot314 wrote: What a joke. Not in the best interest for the Chiefs if LJ breaks the team rushing record? Who cares? If he breaks that stupid record is it going to have some kind of negative effect on the team next year? Noone that lines up on sunday cares about franchise records. In 6 months noone would even notice if he broke the franchise record or not, so who cares?

moonshot314 wrote: What a joke. Not in the best interest for the Chiefs if LJ breaks the team rushing record? Who cares? If he breaks that stupid record is it going to have some kind of negative effect on the team next year? Noone that lines up on sunday cares about franchise records. In 6 months noone would even notice if he broke the franchise record or not, so who cares?

Uh, I think a lot of people would both care AND remember who is the franchise's all-time leading rusher.  Six months from now, a year from now, 5 years from now, 10 years from now.  Simply because you don't feel team history or franchise records hold any importance doesn't mean everyone agrees with you.

What's with your unconditional love and support for Larry Johnson, man?

Seriously...are you his agent?

Larry could walk into the locker room wearing a suit made entirely of baby skins with a swastika tattooed on his forehead, and you'd be saying, "What?!  Why won't you guys get off of LJ's back?  He's still a great running back!"

Honestly, did LJ save your life or something?  Did he pull your unconscious body out of a burning building?  Did he distract a grizzly bear and allow you to escape from it's slobbering jaws?

---Tim

Ok....without using google or kcchiefs.com tell me all the Chiefs franchise record holders.........exactly, that's why no one cares who breaks them or holds them.

Quick, can you name the Chiefs all time leader in tackles?  Forced Fumbles?  Passing yardage in a season?  Passing yardage in a career?  Without looking it up?  Didnt think so, because its inconsequential.  Franchise records are dubious.  They arent going to effect this team in the future.  At least with an NFL record you can claim to have done something noone else has ever done.  Franchise records are like being the 4th runner up in a beauty pageant, noone remembers who you are.

Haha, same post at the exact same time.  You and I are on the same wavelength here.

WVChiefFan wrote:

Ok....without using google or kcchiefs.com tell me all the Chiefs franchise record holders.........exactly, that's why no one cares who breaks them or holds them.

Is there an echo in here?

moonshot314 wrote:

Quick, can you name the Chiefs all time leader in tackles?  Forced Fumbles?  Passing yardage in a season?  Passing yardage in a career?  Without looking it up?  Didnt think so, because its inconsequential.  Franchise records are dubious.  They arent going to effect this team in the future.  At least with an NFL record you can claim to have done something noone else has ever done.  Franchise records are like being the 4th runner up in a beauty pageant, noone remembers who you are.

If they are sooooooo insignificant, why are they tracked?  Some people evidently think team records are kind of neat.  I agree that they don't win/lose you games, but they're nice to know about.  I think this is all about the Chiefs fans wanting to distance themselves from LJ, and not wanting him to represent the Chiefs in any capacity, especially not a career honor like most rushing yards.

Everything is tracked, does that make it significant?  Holds are tracked for relief pitchers in baseball.  Do you think thats a relevant stat  How about a baseball franchise record for being hit by the most pitches in one season?  There are all kinds of things that are tracked which are useless.

So by your argument, is Priest Holmes, whom we havent seen in some time, representing the Chiefs right now from his Texas home because hes the all time leading rusher?

paulydime wrote:

If they are sooooooo insignificant, why are they tracked?  Some people evidently think team records are kind of neat.  I agree that they don't win/lose you games, but they're nice to know about.  I think this is all about the Chiefs fans wanting to distance themselves from LJ, and not wanting him to represent the Chiefs in any capacity, especially not a career honor like most rushing yards.

Comparing the franchise record for "forced fumbles" to the franchise record for all-time rushing yards?  Not quite the same level of significance.  Tackles are also not an officially statistic kept by the NFL.  The franchise leader for passing yards, without looking it up, is either Len Dawson or Trent Green.  Both of whom I'm proud to remember as Chiefs.  If Elvis Grbac was our all-time leader in passing yards, I'd be a little disappointed, which is why I don't want Larry Johnson's name at the top of the Chiefs' record list for rushing yards.

All-time rushing yards are a tad more substantial and notable than forced fumbles.

You guys dance around topics and talk in circles so much it's difficult to even hold a conversation about something.  Bottom line:  you love and adore Larry Johnson, regardless of anything he does or how he behaves.  Nothing is ever his fault, and he is a bright, shining example of what we all should strive to be in life.  You love him.  We get it.

The truth?  Larry Johnson causes problems in the locker room, causes problems for the organization by getting suspended, and causes problems for other citizens in his personal life (arrests, legal troubles, etc.).  He is getting "old" by running back standards, and his production has dropped significantly in the last 3 seasons.  Those are facts, and CANNOT be refuted.

Love him all you want, but that doesn't change the facts.

Seriously, though...did Larry find you unconscious and bleeding in a Siberian wasteland, mend your wounds, and nurse you back to health?  Did Larry give you CPR after your leg cramped up and caused you to nearly drown while swimming off the coast of Cabo San Lucas?

---Tim

So you're comparing baseball's holds records to a football team's career rushing record???  Digging pretty deep there, aren't ya?  Surely you realize that some records carry more noteriety than others.  I'd be willing to bet that every team's career rushing record holder is someone that was/is a good representative of the team, and that the fans liked (excluding recent expansion teams).

Is Priest Holmes still a representative of the Kansas City Chiefs?  Yes, I think he is.  For instance, if Priest Holmes was in the news for some reason (good or bad), he would be noted as former Kansas City Chiefs RB, and not just former NFL RB. 

Right or wrong, LJ replacing Priest is a tough pill to swallow due to the fact that Priest seemed to be the more talented, and much classier person.  The majority of fans feel this way.  You don't, and that's fine.

moonshot314 wrote:

Everything is tracked, does that make it significant?  Holds are tracked for relief pitchers in baseball.  Do you think thats a relevant stat  How about a baseball franchise record for being hit by the most pitches in one season?  There are all kinds of things that are tracked which are useless.

 

So by your argument, is Priest Holmes, whom we havent seen in some time, representing the Chiefs right now from his Texas home because hes the all time leading rusher?

paulydime wrote:

If they are sooooooo insignificant, why are they tracked?  Some people evidently think team records are kind of neat.  I agree that they don't win/lose you games, but they're nice to know about.  I think this is all about the Chiefs fans wanting to distance themselves from LJ, and not wanting him to represent the Chiefs in any capacity, especially not a career honor like most rushing yards.

 

Tim, when I look at you, I feel like I'm looking in a mirror.  And I'm one sexy b!tch so that's saying something....j/k.

I've been stating these exact sentiments to the LJ entourage for a looooong time.  It goes nowhere.  Their final bullet was spouting off YPC, and now they don't even have that.  Now it is everyone else's fault that LJ isn't "great" anymore. 

So while you point out facts, these guys are no longer interested in them.  You can't convince the LJ PPM (Poor Pitiful Me) Club that LJ has been given all the opportunity in the world to make the most of his time in KC, or that he's been a detriment to the team and the city.  Simpy not his fault Tim. 

TimInKC wrote:

 

 

Comparing the franchise record for "forced fumbles" ro the franchise recrod for all-time rushing yards?  Apples and oranges, man.

 

All-time rushing yards are a tad more substantial and notable than forced fumbles.

 

You guys dance around topics and talk in circles so much it's difficult to even hold a conversation about something.  Bottom line:  you love and adore Larry Johnson, regardless of anything he does or how he behaves.  Nothing is ever his fault, and he is a bright, shining example of what we all should strive to be in life.  You love him.  We get it.

 

The truth?  Larry Johnson causes problems in the locker room, causes problems for the organization by getting suspended, and causes problems for other citizens in his personal life (arrests, legal troubles, etc.).  He is getting "old" by running back standards, and his production has dropped significantly in the last 3 seasons.  Those are facts, and CANNOT be refuted.

 

Love him all you want, but that doesn't change the facts.

 

 

---Tim

 

 

 

I would really hope that if you are going to resort to these crap tactics, you would at least make an honest attempt to be original.

Neither me nor WV said a thing about LJ, we said that franchise records are meaningless.  Theres a difference, but you deflect it back to love/hate of LJ.  You are attempting to spin my stance on the relevance of franchise records back to a specific player.

TimInKC wrote:

 

 

Comparing the franchise record for "forced fumbles" to the franchise record for all-time rushing yards?  Not quite the same level of significance.  Tackles are also not an officially statistic kept by the NFL.  The franchise leader for passing yards, without looking it up, is either Len Dawson or Trent Green.  Both of whom I'm proud to remember as Chiefs.  If Elvis Grbac was our all-time leader in passing yards, I'd be a little disappointed, which is why I don't want Larry Johnson's name at the top of the Chiefs' record list for rushing yards.

 

All-time rushing yards are a tad more substantial and notable than forced fumbles.

 

You guys dance around topics and talk in circles so much it's difficult to even hold a conversation about something.  Bottom line:  you love and adore Larry Johnson, regardless of anything he does or how he behaves.  Nothing is ever his fault, and he is a bright, shining example of what we all should strive to be in life.  You love him.  We get it.

 

The truth?  Larry Johnson causes problems in the locker room, causes problems for the organization by getting suspended, and causes problems for other citizens in his personal life (arrests, legal troubles, etc.).  He is getting "old" by running back standards, and his production has dropped significantly in the last 3 seasons.  Those are facts, and CANNOT be refuted.

 

Love him all you want, but that doesn't change the facts.

 

Seriously, though...did Larry find you unconscious and bleeding in a Siberian wasteland, mend your wounds, and nurse you back to health?  Did Larry give you CPR after your leg cramped up and caused you to nearly drown while swimming off the coast of Cabo San Lucas?

 

 

---Tim

 

 

 

moonshot314 wrote:

I would really hope that if you are going to resort to these crap tactics, you would at least make an honest attempt to be original.

 

Neither me nor WV said a thing about LJ, we said that franchise records are meaningless.  Theres a difference, but you deflect it back to love/hate of LJ.  You are attempting to spin my stance on the relevance of franchise records back to a specific player.

TimInKC wrote:

 

 

Comparing the franchise record for "forced fumbles" to the franchise record for all-time rushing yards?  Not quite the same level of significance.  Tackles are also not an officially statistic kept by the NFL.  The franchise leader for passing yards, without looking it up, is either Len Dawson or Trent Green.  Both of whom I'm proud to remember as Chiefs.  If Elvis Grbac was our all-time leader in passing yards, I'd be a little disappointed, which is why I don't want Larry Johnson's name at the top of the Chiefs' record list for rushing yards.

 

All-time rushing yards are a tad more substantial and notable than forced fumbles.

 

You guys dance around topics and talk in circles so much it's difficult to even hold a conversation about something.  Bottom line:  you love and adore Larry Johnson, regardless of anything he does or how he behaves.  Nothing is ever his fault, and he is a bright, shining example of what we all should strive to be in life.  You love him.  We get it.

 

The truth?  Larry Johnson causes problems in the locker room, causes problems for the organization by getting suspended, and causes problems for other citizens in his personal life (arrests, legal troubles, etc.).  He is getting "old" by running back standards, and his production has dropped significantly in the last 3 seasons.  Those are facts, and CANNOT be refuted.

 

Love him all you want, but that doesn't change the facts.

 

Seriously, though...did Larry find you unconscious and bleeding in a Siberian wasteland, mend your wounds, and nurse you back to health?  Did Larry give you CPR after your leg cramped up and caused you to nearly drown while swimming off the coast of Cabo San Lucas?

 

 

---Tim

 

 

 

 

And you're attempting to "spin" it by dancing around the fact that you do nothing but go to every thread and defend Larry Johnson and show nothing but blind support for him.  I know you're not going to sit here now and try to pretend that you haven't been playing "Larry Johnson Advocate" on every message thread for the last week.

Call it "crap tactics", if you want.  I call it being creative and witty.  Can't take it?  Go sit in the corner and pout with LJ.  I'm sure that's what he's doing at the moment.

---Tim

iiiphreak wrote: OOOOooooooh I get it now, they hate LJ because they don't like being called what LJ called them and only way it would really bother them is if they are ......well, I am not gonna finish that sentence because it will only upset them more.

Oddly enough, this was one of your more well though out posts.  Nowhere to go but up, my friend.