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What we're counting on to be successful this season

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Posted: 7/19/2014 5:35 PM

What we're counting on to be successful this season 


Eric Fisher being significantly better and not struggling like last year
Jeff Allen being significantly better and not struggling like last year
DAT replacing DMC's elite ST's production
Zach Fulton being good with no experience at all
Travis Kelce and Demetrius Harris being good with no experience.
Sanders Commings being good with no experience.
AJ Jenkins, Junior Hemmingway and the Canadian being playmakers.
Ron Parker, Marcus Cooper and Chris Owens being much better against Rivers/Manning.
Joe Mays not being a below average liability like he has his entire career.
Alex Smith continuing his success with a new young OL and no added known weapons against elite defenses/improved defenses in the division.

Scary isn't it?
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Posted: 7/19/2014 5:59 PM

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Eric Fisher will be fine. If he is healthy more than 11 games than that production will be more than Albert gave last year. If Albert had stayed you would be scared if he could play 16 games for just the second time in his career. If anything the games will be quicker without the play stoppage of Albert being dinged up during play.

DMC was nice but I would not say elite. We have McKnight, Dresser and DAT all in there competing by the way. How many td's did DMC give us last year?

Jeff Allen needs to get better but just like the Wrs I think the second year in Reid's West Coast system will be better. I expect Bowe to improve too along with those mentioned.

Zac Fulton would have been drafted higher if not for a knee injury. He is fine now and it is not even set yet if he is our starter. This guy is a grader though.

Kelce and Harris will take over with Fasano. I like this group because remember Mcgrath had no experience either with Fasano out last year. The ability of Kelce and Harris will be even better and both had the year to learn too.

Commings is depth behind Abdullah. He will be fine and learn plus provide competition to push for playing time. This will be key in bringing him along and hopefully no rushing him in due to injuries.

The cbs, minus Owens did show improvement. Did you see the second game that Cooper played against SD and how he learned and adjusted? Smith will do better too as they all will have a FS they can count on.

Have we ever had a good ilb next to DJ? We will see on Mays but if he can plug the hole and be a thumper then he is doing his job.

AS was brought I because of his intelligence and how he can run this WC system. I believe he will be better because other players will have caught up and learned this complex offense. Not like our OL was sold last year and AS has a lot of mobility too, as shown last year. Healthy line, 2nd year for the WRs, improvement from Bowe and healthy TEs plus Davis helping with RB and I think you will see more from AS.

Finally have we not gone all over this before many times in other threads?
I say we wait and see, heck TC and pre season games have not even started and there is still waiver wire too.


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Eric Fisher being significantly better and not struggling like last year
Jeff Allen being significantly better and not struggling like last year
DAT replacing DMC's elite ST's production
Zach Fulton being good with no experience at all
Travis Kelce and Demetrius Harris being good with no experience.
Sanders Commings being good with no experience.
AJ Jenkins, Junior Hemmingway and the Canadian being playmakers.
Ron Parker, Marcus Cooper and Chris Owens being much better against Rivers/Manning.
Joe Mays not being a below average liability like he has his entire career.
Alex Smith continuing his success with a new young OL and no added known weapons against elite defenses/improved defenses in the division.

Scary isn't it?

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Posted: 7/19/2014 6:12 PM

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"Scary isn't it?"


Not really. 

Eric Fisher being significantly better and not struggling like last year  Eric Fisher will be in his 2nd year with some experience under his belt. He will also be moving back to his natural side. He will also be healthy. 

Jeff Allen being significantly better and not struggling like last year  Jeff Allen will be entering his 2nd year in the same scheme and has really put in some extra work this offseason by visiting Bentley's O-line academy.

DAT replacing DMC's elite ST's production Thomas is like a souped up, faster, better version of McCluster with game-breaking speed. Plus we have Toub.

Zach Fulton being good with no experience at all  Just because he doesn't have NFL experience doesn't mean he won't be good. This is a guy who was pretty good in college and was a long-time starter in the SEC. 

Travis Kelce and Demetrius Harris being good with no experience. Like I said before, just because they don't have experience doesn't mean they won't be good. 

Sanders Commings being good with no experience. Abdullah is the starter but I am pretty certain Commings will do just fine. 

AJ Jenkins, Junior Hemmingway and the Canadian being playmakers. We were averaging 30+ points in the last half of the season and we did it with these same guys minus chip. Reid has made his hay putting great Offenses on the field using average receivers. 

Ron Parker, Marcus Cooper and Chris Owens being much better against Rivers/Manning. Owens wasn't here last year. Cooper and Parker will now have a year of experience in this system and will continue to improve. Cooper is playing in only his 3rd year as a Corner ever. 

Joe Mays not being a below average liability like he has his entire career. Joe Mays is going to act as an enforcer and he is actually a pretty decent player and an upgrade over the guy we had last year. 

Alex Smith continuing his success with a new young OL and no added known weapons against elite defenses/improved defenses in the division. Smith didn't need all these supposed "weapons" that everyone keeps stating we needed so direly since he was averaging around 30+ points a game in the last half. He will also have some new weapons that weren't available last year. Bowe will be improved and he will have players like Kelce, Harris possibly, Dressler, and possibly Wilson. Throw in Thomas and also Jenkins who will get a real opportunity. All that goes without even mentioning Charles and Davis who will also be in the mix. 
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Posted: 7/19/2014 6:23 PM

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TL;DR

KCStud is assuming everything that went right for us last year is a fluke and that none of our players on either side of the ball might improve the second year in the system (or that we might be healthier).
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Posted: 7/19/2014 6:43 PM

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True. He is the Adam Teicher of Warpaint Illustrated and constantly believe any negative slant to the Chiefs there is. Fortunately for us and unfortunately for Stud, Andy Reid's track record suggests that Stud's fears are unwarranted and overblown. 
Adamixoye wrote: TL;DR

KCStud is assuming everything that went right for us last year is a fluke and that none of our players on either side of the ball might improve the second year in the system (or that we might be healthier).
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Posted: 7/19/2014 6:44 PM

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I'm counting on Andy Reid. Barring bad injury to his QB, or when he went Dan Snyder with Old Free Agents, his teams usually win right around 10 games and are in the playoffs. The specifics of how we get there, I'm not worried about. Top Notch Head Coaches usually get their teams to win, and Andy is a top notch Head Coach.
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Posted: 7/19/2014 7:00 PM

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His resume speaks for itself. When Andy Reid is your HC and you have the talent we have, the chances of us making the playoffs are always good.

As far as all the questions, every NFL team has a lot of questions. A team that was 2-14 two years ago is going to have a lot of questions. It's inevitable.

However, I'm not that worried. We should be alright. We still have Alex Smith, Charles, Bowe, Poe, Hali, DJ, Houston, Berry etc.. All of our best players from last year will be back.

There's a lot of teams in the NFL that would kill to have the talent we have. We just need better role players
DaBlueGuy wrote: I'm counting on Andy Reid. Barring bad injury to his QB, or when he went Dan Snyder with Old Free Agents, his teams usually win right around 10 games and are in the playoffs. The specifics of how we get there, I'm not worried about. Top Notch Head Coaches usually get their teams to win, and Andy is a top notch Head Coach.

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Posted: 7/19/2014 7:21 PM

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where the hell did I say that?

It looks to me like you and 75's comments are far overblown

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TL;DR

KCStud is assuming everything that went right for us last year is a fluke and that none of our players on either side of the ball might improve the second year in the system (or that we might be healthier).

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Posted: 7/19/2014 7:59 PM

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Excellent point Niceguy. Here is a list of things we had to count on going into last year:

On Reid to not be washed up.
On Dorsey to actually be good at acquiring personnel
On Smith to be as good or better in Reid's system
On Sutton to be any good as a DC
On Hudson to good as an unknown
On T-Jax and others to be able to transition
On Poe to take the next step in his development
On Schwartz being any good after being picked off the scrap heap
On a bunch of receivers we didn't know to do anything to help Bowe
On an inexperienced McGrath to become a weapon for us after all our TEs went down. 

There's probably more that I missed too but you get the idea. Just because there is "concerns" or things we need to happen to be successful....even if it is a long list....doesn't mean it won't happen and isn't any reason to hit the panic button.
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Posted: 7/19/2014 8:01 PM

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Really? How is my comment "overblown"? You are the one perched over a panic button all "scared". I simply addressed the things you listed.
ThunderChiefs22 wrote:
where the hell did I say that?

It looks to me like you and 75's comments are far overblown

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TL;DR

KCStud is assuming everything that went right for us last year is a fluke and that none of our players on either side of the ball might improve the second year in the system (or that we might be healthier).

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Posted: 7/19/2014 8:36 PM

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The thing that is scary is that a lot of players with absolutely no real game experience at all against tough competition.

And please dear god stop with the Dorsey has proven himself crap. It's been one year and his draft class did next to nothing last season.
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Posted: 7/19/2014 8:40 PM

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True but ThunderChiefs22, you said it yourself, it usually takes years for players to develop into Pro Bowlers.

You have to be patient and think long term with draft picks.

You always respect your opponents but to be scared of them? No way... That's not happening. You do that you lose game even before you take the field.
ThunderChiefs22 wrote: The thing that is scary is that a lot of players with absolutely no real game experience at all against tough competition.

And please dear god stop with the Dorsey has proven himself crap. It's been one year and his draft class did next to nothing last season.

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Posted: 7/19/2014 8:51 PM

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ThunderStud---

You said we're "counting on" all of those things, and that those things are "scary." I would say that a lot of the other things we're "counting on" that you omitted (better health, improvement in year 2 in a system) are plausible or even likely. So no, you didn't say those exact words, but that's the implication.
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Posted: 7/19/2014 9:09 PM

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Who said Dorsey has "proven himself"? And he has done more than just drafting. He has signed Free agents and brought in UDFA's. So far, so good. We'll see about his drafts but they look like they could be good. And I am not sure why you are whining about players with no experience. That is life in the NFL, especially if you are a team that wants to compete for championships and is trying to do it right by building through draft. You remember that phrase, don't you? "Build through the draft"? Because as I recall that is what you were crying for us to do and you said that is how teams do it if they want to win championships. Now we have a guy who is actually doing it and you are crying about it and complaining and saying "it is scary". Good lord...ohlord
ThunderChiefs22 wrote: The thing that is scary is that a lot of players with absolutely no real game experience at all against tough competition.

And please dear god stop with the Dorsey has proven himself crap. It's been one year and his draft class did next to nothing last season.
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Posted: 7/19/2014 9:11 PM

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Adamixoye wrote: TL;DR

KCStud is assuming everything that went right for us last year is a fluke and that none of our players on either side of the ball might improve the second year in the system (or that we might be healthier).
or ever give credit to the coaching staff we have.  This coaching staff is easily a top 5 staff in the NFL.
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Posted: 7/19/2014 9:13 PM

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ThunderChiefs22 wrote: The thing that is scary is that a lot of players with absolutely no real game experience at all against tough competition.

And please dear god stop with the Dorsey has proven himself crap. It's been one year and his draft class did next to nothing last season.
whose draft class from 2013 did anything last year either?  Denver's?  bff!  The Donks have whiffed in the draft for 3 years in a row now minus V. Miller who was a lay up.  Even if they did get a player it sure as hell didn't happen in year 1.
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Posted: 7/19/2014 9:27 PM

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dksww wrote:
Adamixoye wrote: TL;DR

KCStud is assuming everything that went right for us last year is a fluke and that none of our players on either side of the ball might improve the second year in the system (or that we might be healthier).
or ever give credit to the coaching staff we have.  This coaching staff is easily a top 5 staff in the NFL.
Nah...according to some it just isn't possible we have a good thing because we're the Chiefs. Everyone else can be legitimate, just not us.
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Posted: 7/19/2014 9:34 PM

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Building thought the draft is exactly what I want to see, but here's what you don't get. Reid is a good coach and a great player developer, but this is year 1 for a lot of these guys
. You learn by playing the game. You can't expect players to develop a lot in year 1. It's tough.
I think we should temper expectations. Not sure this team will make the playoffs with these changes.

And no we can't count on anything. I want to see guys like Fisher play better without just "counting on it". I hope he does, but nobody knows. He was extremely disappointing for a 1st overall pick last year.

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Who said Dorsey has "proven himself"? And he has done more than just drafting. He has signed Free agents and brought in UDFA's. So far, so good. We'll see about his drafts but they look like they could be good. And I am not sure why you are whining about players with no experience. That is life in the NFL, especially if you are a team that wants to compete for championships and is trying to do it right by building through draft. You remember that phrase, don't you? "Build through the draft"? Because as I recall that is what you were crying for us to do and you said that is how teams do it if they want to win championships. Now we have a guy who is actually doing it and you are crying about it and complaining and saying "it is scary". Good lord...ohlord
ThunderChiefs22 wrote: The thing that is scary is that a lot of players with absolutely no real game experience at all against tough competition.

And please dear god stop with the Dorsey has proven himself crap. It's been one year and his draft class did next to nothing last season.


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Posted: 7/19/2014 9:43 PM

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I don't blame people who feel that way. We've been waiting two ******* decades for playoff success.

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dksww wrote:
Adamixoye wrote: TL;DR

KCStud is assuming everything that went right for us last year is a fluke and that none of our players on either side of the ball might improve the second year in the system (or that we might be healthier).
or ever give credit to the coaching staff we have.  This coaching staff is easily a top 5 staff in the NFL.
Nah...according to some it just isn't possible we have a good thing because we're the Chiefs. Everyone else can be legitimate, just not us.

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Posted: 7/19/2014 9:54 PM

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That is how players learn. They aren't going to learn on the sidelines. Marcus Cooper didn't learn by sitting on the bench. Neither did McGrath. Neither did Davis. Players learn and improve through playing time. Did it scare you when Charles got his first starts? How about Berry? How about Bowe? How about Houston? The point is everyone who has ever played in the NFL has began without any experience. 

NOTHING is guaranteed in the NFL. If you are looking for guarantees then maybe you are watching the wrong sport. It wasn't guaranteed and we could "count on" Poe making his big jump in his second year but he did. We couldn't "count on" Houston making his in year 2 but he did. But just because it isn't guaranteed is no reason to be in panic mode. We paid front office people BIG money to evaluate talent and we paid coaches BIG money to coach that talent up, so how about we let them do it? If we don't trust them to do that then what are they doing here? 

As for making the playoffs, I am VERY confident that we will. Reid has an EXCELLENT track record of making the playoffs and beyond (championship games and a Super Bowl). 
ThunderChiefs22 wrote:
Building thought the draft is exactly what I want to see, but here's what you don't get. Reid is a good coach and a great player developer, but this is year 1 for a lot of these guys
. You learn by playing the game. You can't expect players to develop a lot in year 1. It's tough.
I think we should temper expectations. Not sure this team will make the playoffs with these changes.

And no we can't count on anything. I want to see guys like Fisher play better without just "counting on it". I hope he does, but nobody knows. He was extremely disappointing for a 1st overall pick last year.

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Who said Dorsey has "proven himself"? And he has done more than just drafting. He has signed Free agents and brought in UDFA's. So far, so good. We'll see about his drafts but they look like they could be good. And I am not sure why you are whining about players with no experience. That is life in the NFL, especially if you are a team that wants to compete for championships and is trying to do it right by building through draft. You remember that phrase, don't you? "Build through the draft"? Because as I recall that is what you were crying for us to do and you said that is how teams do it if they want to win championships. Now we have a guy who is actually doing it and you are crying about it and complaining and saying "it is scary". Good lord...ohlord
ThunderChiefs22 wrote: The thing that is scary is that a lot of players with absolutely no real game experience at all against tough competition.

And please dear god stop with the Dorsey has proven himself crap. It's been one year and his draft class did next to nothing last season.


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