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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:35 AM

It's Now or Never for Eric Berry 


TIME TO SHINE

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As OTA workouts continue for the Kansas City Chiefs one player Safety, Eric Berry, understands the pressure to elevate his game to another level in an enormous task. If he can’t get it done this year, the high cost of his salary could make 2014 his last in the heartland.

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Posted: 6/4/2014 5:09 PM

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He often disappears in games? Lmao wow. I stopped reading after that. He is easily top 5 safety in the NFL and arguably the best safety in the NFL. I say arguably because that is where opinions differ from fan to fan. But I doubt there is .5% of fans that would say Berry isn't a top 5 safety. You're not that good in the NFL by disappearing in games.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:18 PM

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Wow!!! are you kidding? did you confuse Eric  with someone else? banghead
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Posted: 6/5/2014 9:31 AM

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Now or never? Yeah he hasn't proven himself at all...  rolleyes

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Posted: 6/5/2014 10:05 PM

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Where was he in the Colts playoff game? Abdullah was the only secondary player who stepped up.  Not saying he's not a top safety but I do think he can be more consistent in crunch time. That's the point I was trying to make. 

ChiefsFan79 wrote: He often disappears in games? Lmao wow. I stopped reading after that. He is easily top 5 safety in the NFL and arguably the best safety in the NFL. I say arguably because that is where opinions differ from fan to fan. But I doubt there is .5% of fans that would say Berry isn't a top 5 safety. You're not that good in the NFL by disappearing in games.
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Posted: 6/5/2014 11:44 PM

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Did ya miss him snot bubbling the RB that caused a fumble? Sure the ball "Lucked" into Luck's lap. Maybe if someone else had "stepped" up and made an "appearance" to recover the ball...Chiefs would have won. So Abdullah wasn't the only secondary player to step up. To add even more to secondary stepping up....the guy that some want to rag on in Flowers also stepped up before the concussion. He had held Hilton in check.

So sure...let's rag on and/or  talk about getting rid of the players that contributed to the Chiefs successful moments. Makes no sense. rolleyes 

Only statements that make any sense is that there was secondary troubles for the Chiefs. They were allowed to walk away as FA's and the other was cut loose already.
 
ChiefsInsider wrote: Where was he in the Colts playoff game? Abdullah was the only secondary player who stepped up.  Not saying he's not a top safety but I do think he can be more consistent in crunch time. That's the point I was trying to make. 

ChiefsFan79 wrote: He often disappears in games? Lmao wow. I stopped reading after that. He is easily top 5 safety in the NFL and arguably the best safety in the NFL. I say arguably because that is where opinions differ from fan to fan. But I doubt there is .5% of fans that would say Berry isn't a top 5 safety. You're not that good in the NFL by disappearing in games.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 9:06 AM

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You do realize that he led in tackles for the game with 9, 7 being solo. The TE also had only 46 yards receiving. He of course is not always on the TE, but still he did contribute when he was covering helping to allow 5 catches for 46 yards. He caused the FF mentioned above. If you are going off sacks, well then you cant just blame him as only 1 sack was done the whole game! If this is your one shining example of not showing up in games at times, it is not a very good one. It is not like he missed tackles leading to big gains etc.

ChiefsInsider wrote: Where was he in the Colts playoff game? Abdullah was the only secondary player who stepped up.  Not saying he's not a top safety but I do think he can be more consistent in crunch time. That's the point I was trying to make. 

ChiefsFan79 wrote: He often disappears in games? Lmao wow. I stopped reading after that. He is easily top 5 safety in the NFL and arguably the best safety in the NFL. I say arguably because that is where opinions differ from fan to fan. But I doubt there is .5% of fans that would say Berry isn't a top 5 safety. You're not that good in the NFL by disappearing in games.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 2:10 PM

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he has to be used at FS.  his contract is way too high for SS
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Posted: 6/6/2014 5:28 PM

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Thank you for responding. That about sums up any argument I would have needed to make. A forced fumble inside the red zone is making plays. Making numerous tackles is making plays. Not giving up big plays is consistently showing up.

kkuenn wrote:

You do realize that he led in tackles for the game with 9, 7 being solo. The TE also had only 46 yards receiving. He of course is not always on the TE, but still he did contribute when he was covering helping to allow 5 catches for 46 yards. He caused the FF mentioned above. If you are going off sacks, well then you cant just blame him as only 1 sack was done the whole game! If this is your one shining example of not showing up in games at times, it is not a very good one. It is not like he missed tackles leading to big gains etc.

ChiefsInsider wrote: Where was he in the Colts playoff game? Abdullah was the only secondary player who stepped up.  Not saying he's not a top safety but I do think he can be more consistent in crunch time. That's the point I was trying to make. 

ChiefsFan79 wrote: He often disappears in games? Lmao wow. I stopped reading after that. He is easily top 5 safety in the NFL and arguably the best safety in the NFL. I say arguably because that is where opinions differ from fan to fan. But I doubt there is .5% of fans that would say Berry isn't a top 5 safety. You're not that good in the NFL by disappearing in games.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 5:41 PM

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No Berry didn't make any plays. None. 


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Posted: 6/7/2014 3:20 PM

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Umm,  looks like a Colt TD to me. . .?  Perhaps if Berry would have stayed home Luck could not have run the ball in!  D. Johnson (56) saw big Hugh Thornton coming and took a dive on the play (ended up on his tail) and Houston (50) was out of area.

Berry has never been very good in coverage.  Yeah, I know, he has had a couple of balls thrown into his chest that he ran back for TDs.  Yeah, I know, he has been selected to the popularity contest known as the "Pro Bowl (as was Matt Cassel).  Ahhh, highlight films. . .everyone has one. 


ChiefsFan79 wrote: No Berry didn't make any plays. None. 


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Posted: 6/7/2014 4:32 PM

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This is one of the most idiotic posts I have seen on this site and smacks of sheer stupidity and an apparently blissful ignorance. The old and tired meme of "Berry is no good in coverage" is sooooo three years ago. It is demonstrably false and is easily debunked when one looks at some All-22 film. Berry is VERY good in coverage. Matt Cassel did go to a Pro Bowl...as in ONE Pro Bowl. What Cassel did NOT do is get selected to THREE Pro-Bowls (every single year he has played a full season...two consecutive Pro-Bowls back-to-back). One time is a fluke. Three times is top level consistency. Oh, did we mention that he was also selected for the All-Pro team which carries a bit more weight than even the Pro-Bowl. 

Perhaps if Berry had "stayed home"....you mean stay with the Corner jamming the WR when he could see that a run was developing. That would be sheer stupidity and had he done that you would have criticized him even more for "not recognizing a run developing". Oh yes, I know the game you haters play all too well. And had Berry "stayed home" you're right...Luck wouldn't have run the ball in. Brown would have. Yeah, DJ saw the play and that big ole lineman came around to block for Brown. There was no one between Brown and that endzone but Berry and you trying to criticize the man for making a great play (which unfortunately had a bad luck bounce) is as outrageous as it gets and clearly shows your obvious unwavering bias. You've never liked the guy since he was first drafted and it is very clear that you will dislike him no matter what he does. Pretty shameful especially for someone who considers themselves a "Chiefs fan". Yeah, we have an All-Pro Safety on our team. How terrible....smfh...
Hidatsa wrote: Umm,  looks like a Colt TD to me. . .?  Perhaps if Berry would have stayed home Luck could not have run the ball in!  D. Johnson (56) saw big Hugh Thornton coming and took a dive on the play (ended up on his tail) and Houston (50) was out of area.

Berry has never been very good in coverage.  Yeah, I know, he has had a couple of balls thrown into his chest that he ran back for TDs.  Yeah, I know, he has been selected to the popularity contest known as the "Pro Bowl (as was Matt Cassel).  Ahhh, highlight films. . .everyone has one. 


ChiefsFan79 wrote: No Berry didn't make any plays. None. 


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Posted: 6/7/2014 6:55 PM

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Umm,  looks like a Colt TD to me. . .?  Perhaps if Berry would have stayed home Luck could not have run the ball in!  D. Johnson (56) saw big Hugh Thornton coming and took a dive on the play (ended up on his tail) and Houston (50) was out of area.

Berry has never been very good in coverage.  Yeah, I know, he has had a couple of balls thrown into his chest that he ran back for TDs.  Yeah, I know, he has been selected to the popularity contest known as the "Pro Bowl (as was Matt Cassel).  Ahhh, highlight films. . .everyone has one. 


ChiefsFan79 wrote: No Berry didn't make any plays. None. 




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This is the most retarded post I have ever seen.
"Without a sign his sword the brave man draws, and asks no omen, but his country's cause."
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Posted: 6/8/2014 8:41 AM

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The play was a cluster for the Chiefs.  It happens.  What is "sheer stupidity" is using this TD video for the Colts as a highlight film to prove some sort of point concerning Berry.  What a joke! 

"All-Pro" team is also another "Miss Congeniality" contest.  What counts is results not accolades. 

You showered praise on Javier Arenas and Dexter McCluster along with Eric Berry.  Well pal, its two down and one to go. 

The Chiefs secondary could not get the job done in the playoffs and Berry, the supposed "safety" is often caught out of position and contributes to the ineptitude of the secondary.  Flowers is catching a lot of the heat right now but he can't cover the entire field himself and gets little help from Berry.

Yeah, Berry has some highlight films but so did Pollard.  Pollard, by the way, also had high "tackles" statistics which typically resulted from QBs challenging his part of the field and yeah, the tackle is made AFTER the catch is completed for yardage.






KCChiefsfan75 wrote: This is one of the most idiotic posts I have seen on this site and smacks of sheer stupidity and an apparently blissful ignorance. The old and tired meme of "Berry is no good in coverage" is sooooo three years ago. It is demonstrably false and is easily debunked when one looks at some All-22 film. Berry is VERY good in coverage. Matt Cassel did go to a Pro Bowl...as in ONE Pro Bowl. What Cassel did NOT do is get selected to THREE Pro-Bowls (every single year he has played a full season...two consecutive Pro-Bowls back-to-back). One time is a fluke. Three times is top level consistency. Oh, did we mention that he was also selected for the All-Pro team which carries a bit more weight than even the Pro-Bowl. 

Perhaps if Berry had "stayed home"....you mean stay with the Corner jamming the WR when he could see that a run was developing. That would be sheer stupidity and had he done that you would have criticized him even more for "not recognizing a run developing". Oh yes, I know the game you haters play all too well. And had Berry "stayed home" you're right...Luck wouldn't have run the ball in. Brown would have. Yeah, DJ saw the play and that big ole lineman came around to block for Brown. There was no one between Brown and that endzone but Berry and you trying to criticize the man for making a great play (which unfortunately had a bad luck bounce) is as outrageous as it gets and clearly shows your obvious unwavering bias. You've never liked the guy since he was first drafted and it is very clear that you will dislike him no matter what he does. Pretty shameful especially for someone who considers themselves a "Chiefs fan". Yeah, we have an All-Pro Safety on our team. How terrible....smfh...
Hidatsa wrote: Umm,  looks like a Colt TD to me. . .?  Perhaps if Berry would have stayed home Luck could not have run the ball in!  D. Johnson (56) saw big Hugh Thornton coming and took a dive on the play (ended up on his tail) and Houston (50) was out of area.

Berry has never been very good in coverage.  Yeah, I know, he has had a couple of balls thrown into his chest that he ran back for TDs.  Yeah, I know, he has been selected to the popularity contest known as the "Pro Bowl (as was Matt Cassel).  Ahhh, highlight films. . .everyone has one. 


ChiefsFan79 wrote: No Berry didn't make any plays. None. 


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Posted: 6/8/2014 8:46 AM

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Umm,  looks like a Colt TD to me. . .?  Perhaps if Berry would have stayed home Luck could not have run the ball in!  D. Johnson (56) saw big Hugh Thornton coming and took a dive on the play (ended up on his tail) and Houston (50) was out of area.

Berry has never been very good in coverage.  Yeah, I know, he has had a couple of balls thrown into his chest that he ran back for TDs.  Yeah, I know, he has been selected to the popularity contest known as the "Pro Bowl (as was Matt Cassel).  Ahhh, highlight films. . .everyone has one. 


ChiefsFan79 wrote: No Berry didn't make any plays. None. 




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This is the most retarded post I have ever seen.
"Retarded"?  That's a little harsh don't you think?  I see there are still a few left on this forum who still can't rationally deal with opposing viewpoints.  Unfortunately, it is those few who have driven away so many other posters from this forum.
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Posted: 6/8/2014 8:52 AM

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Umm, am I mistaken or was the TOPIC of this thread, "It's Now or Never for Eric Berry"?  LOL, the opening paragraph states that it is time for EB to "elevate his game."  This could not be more correct.  EB was a reach when he was drafted and hasn't yet produced the results necessary to warrant his high salary.  Personally, I feel his true talent is on blitzes but he isn't being used in this way often enough.  His cover skills are lacking.

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Posted: 6/8/2014 11:53 AM

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Hidasta, if Berry stayed home....there would have been no fumble. Luck wouldn't have gotten the ball.  Holy cow, I can't believe that even you who is so biased would stoop so low as to try and lay blame at Berry on this play. Berry made a play by forcing a fumble. Geesh, isn't that what we want from our players? Cause turnovers when the Chiefs need a player to step up? But when Berry does it, you want to criticize him for it.  LOL, you are so foolish and I wish the other poster didn't quote your post. I have you on ignore for a reason. 
Hidatsa wrote: Umm,  looks like a Colt TD to me. . .?  Perhaps if Berry would have stayed home Luck could not have run the ball in!  D. Johnson (56) saw big Hugh Thornton coming and took a dive on the play (ended up on his tail) and Houston (50) was out of area.

Berry has never been very good in coverage.  Yeah, I know, he has had a couple of balls thrown into his chest that he ran back for TDs.  Yeah, I know, he has been selected to the popularity contest known as the "Pro Bowl (as was Matt Cassel).  Ahhh, highlight films. . .everyone has one. 


ChiefsFan79 wrote: No Berry didn't make any plays. None. 


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Posted: 6/8/2014 1:13 PM

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You could not have picked a worse example for your "highlight" reel.  A TD for the Colts!  LOL, yeah, that is just great.  If you wanted to show he can hit hard then fine, he hits hard.  So did Pollard.  Even if you wanted to say that he is adequate up in the box then go for it.  Word coming out this year, however, is that the Chiefs want Berry to cover more.  It is there he struggles. 

The Chiefs will move on from Berry likely after this season.  He just isn't making the necessary contribution to warrant his salary.  After all, isn't that the topic of conversation for this thread?  It didn't sound to me like yet another "worship Berry" thread.  Personally, I think he should be traded while he still has some value.  There are some on this forum, however, that have expressed the opinion that he won't even bring much in a trade.

ChiefsFan79 wrote: Hidasta, if Berry stayed home....there would have been no fumble. Luck wouldn't have gotten the ball.  Holy cow, I can't believe that even you who is so biased would stoop so low as to try and lay blame at Berry on this play. Berry made a play by forcing a fumble. Geesh, isn't that what we want from our players? Cause turnovers when the Chiefs need a player to step up? But when Berry does it, you want to criticize him for it.  LOL, you are so foolish and I wish the other poster didn't quote your post. I have you on ignore for a reason. 
Hidatsa wrote: Umm,  looks like a Colt TD to me. . .?  Perhaps if Berry would have stayed home Luck could not have run the ball in!  D. Johnson (56) saw big Hugh Thornton coming and took a dive on the play (ended up on his tail) and Houston (50) was out of area.

Berry has never been very good in coverage.  Yeah, I know, he has had a couple of balls thrown into his chest that he ran back for TDs.  Yeah, I know, he has been selected to the popularity contest known as the "Pro Bowl (as was Matt Cassel).  Ahhh, highlight films. . .everyone has one. 


ChiefsFan79 wrote: No Berry didn't make any plays. None. 


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Posted: 6/8/2014 5:34 PM

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The TD was not Berry's fault. Good lord dude. This GIF illustrated Berry making a play during the playoff game to which the OP stated Berry was no show. This GIF was a perfect example of Berry coming from the outside where his receiver was located to hit the RB and pop the ball out. That's making a play. Berry isn't to blame because the ball bounced off of a player right to Luck. Even though the defense allowed the TD it wasn't the fault of Berry who again made a play. What the hell is so hard to understand about that. You're strong bias against Berry being drafted number 5 overall is clouding the whole point of this topic as it pertains to what I said. As for Berry in coverage he was the top rated strong safety in several categories including coverage. However you're bias clouds your judgement as usual. Quit bringing up his draft status as he has easily lived up to it. As far as rookie pay scales.... All rookies were overpaid in the old CBA. Quit whining about that while you're at it. Last of all Berry isn't getting these accolades because of popularity. He's getting them by unbiased people who have nothing to gain by voting for him unlike you who still feels like your ego can't handle being wrong about the player. I'm done talking to you. I've debated this topic with you since Berry was drafted. You haven't changed your opinion at all, you're not going to change it now. Put me on ignore PLEASE.

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You could not have picked a worse example for your "highlight" reel.  A TD for the Colts!  LOL, yeah, that is just great.  If you wanted to show he can hit hard then fine, he hits hard.  So did Pollard.  Even if you wanted to say that he is adequate up in the box then go for it.  Word coming out this year, however, is that the Chiefs want Berry to cover more.  It is there he struggles. 

The Chiefs will move on from Berry likely after this season.  He just isn't making the necessary contribution to warrant his salary.  After all, isn't that the topic of conversation for this thread?  It didn't sound to me like yet another "worship Berry" thread.  Personally, I think he should be traded while he still has some value.  There are some on this forum, however, that have expressed the opinion that he won't even bring much in a trade.

ChiefsFan79 wrote: Hidasta, if Berry stayed home....there would have been no fumble. Luck wouldn't have gotten the ball.  Holy cow, I can't believe that even you who is so biased would stoop so low as to try and lay blame at Berry on this play. Berry made a play by forcing a fumble. Geesh, isn't that what we want from our players? Cause turnovers when the Chiefs need a player to step up? But when Berry does it, you want to criticize him for it.  LOL, you are so foolish and I wish the other poster didn't quote your post. I have you on ignore for a reason. 
Hidatsa wrote: Umm,  looks like a Colt TD to me. . .?  Perhaps if Berry would have stayed home Luck could not have run the ball in!  D. Johnson (56) saw big Hugh Thornton coming and took a dive on the play (ended up on his tail) and Houston (50) was out of area.

Berry has never been very good in coverage.  Yeah, I know, he has had a couple of balls thrown into his chest that he ran back for TDs.  Yeah, I know, he has been selected to the popularity contest known as the "Pro Bowl (as was Matt Cassel).  Ahhh, highlight films. . .everyone has one. 


ChiefsFan79 wrote: No Berry didn't make any plays. None. 




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Posted: 6/8/2014 5:52 PM

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www.profootballfocus.com/blog/...-top-to-bottom/

Unbiased advanced statistical measurements has Berry as one of the top 101 players in the entire NFL. It has ranked at 37.

37. Eric Berry, S, Kansas City Chiefs (Unranked)

It’s not easy for a safety to go at No. 5 overall and justify the pick, but Berry is a man who has made that happen. His 2013 season wasn’t perfect but it was a highlight reel of what it takes to be a complete safety in the NFL. A rare athlete capable to play linebacker in dime packages, match up man-on-man with tight ends, and perform more traditional safety roles (whether in the box or not). Berry put forth a tremendous season that would earn him the highest grade of any strong safety in the regular season.

Best Performance: Week 12, SD @ KC, +3.6

Key Stat: It’s true that Berry led all defensive backs with 17 combined sacks, hits and hurries.

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