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If Smith Isn't Worried About It Why Are We?

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Posted: 5/27/2014 10:30 PM

If Smith Isn't Worried About It Why Are We? 


IT'S NO BIG DEAL YET

Nick Athan

With OTA workouts beginning in Kansas City on Tuesday, the leader of the Chiefs on the field, Quarterback Alex Smith, isn’t even remotely worried about his contract situation. So why is everyone else making a big deal about it?

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Posted: 5/28/2014 11:44 PM

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please don't cave to alex's demands, if he plays decent that's great, i'd rather roll with Daniel, Murray, Bray instead of losing Houston // Berry // Poe
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Posted: 5/29/2014 2:39 AM

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taubytaub wrote: please don't cave to alex's demands, if he plays decent that's great, i'd rather roll with Daniel, Murray, Bray instead of losing Houston // Berry // Poe
If Smith and Condon ask for too much, they will just tag Smith or let him go after the 2014 season. Smith won't do us much good if Houston, Berry, Poe, Flowers, and others are all gone.  I think the Chiefs might do just fine with Murray at the helm in 2015.  If these players start asking for too much money, it might be best to just let them go like they did with Albert and B.Carr.  Football is a team game, and it's not good to overpay a few players and have a lot of disgruntled players on the team.
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Posted: 5/29/2014 10:37 AM

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Murray is a 5th round pick for a reason. If he was that good, injury or not, someone would have taken him sooner. It is just like Bray too. Stanzi was the last one we took and some of us bought into, myself included, and see where that went with us. Reid is a developer though, but again you cannot just put all the eggs into one basket here and especially without even seeing if he can play in the NFL yet. Remembering too that the cap space goes up next year and that Poe has a couple years left so he should be here. Flowers and Hali are both still on contract and still possible to restructure, trade and then release if necessary. So it is not like we have all of these hitting the FA period at the same time.
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taubytaub wrote: please don't cave to alex's demands, if he plays decent that's great, i'd rather roll with Daniel, Murray, Bray instead of losing Houston // Berry // Poe
If Smith and Condon ask for too much, they will just tag Smith or let him go after the 2014 season. Smith won't do us much good if Houston, Berry, Poe, Flowers, and others are all gone.  I think the Chiefs might do just fine with Murray at the helm in 2015.  If these players start asking for too much money, it might be best to just let them go like they did with Albert and B.Carr.  Football is a team game, and it's not good to overpay a few players and have a lot of disgruntled players on the team.
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Posted: 5/30/2014 2:14 PM

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KC has all the leverage and hopefully Dorsey is smarter than King Carl and won't pay a guy on a small sample size.

I really like A. Smith as the Chiefs' QB and loved what I saw the last half of the year and playoff game, but it's in KC's best interest to let 2014 play out before handing A. Smith a huge deal and possibly handcuffing them later down the road on deals for Houston, Berry and Poe.

If Smith won't sign/extend for around 12-15 million this year, KC can just franchise him in 2015 and take it from there.
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Posted: 5/30/2014 6:58 PM

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dksww wrote: KC has all the leverage and hopefully Dorsey is smarter than King Carl and won't pay a guy on a small sample size.

I really like A. Smith as the Chiefs' QB and loved what I saw the last half of the year and playoff game, but it's in KC's best interest to let 2014 play out before handing A. Smith a huge deal and possibly handcuffing them later down the road on deals for Houston, Berry and Poe.

If Smith won't sign/extend for around 12-15 million this year, KC can just franchise him in 2015 and take it from there.
i agree. but i think 10-12 is more right. i really think we should wait till after next year before we do his deal. we should be focused on signing houston
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Posted: 5/30/2014 7:29 PM

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I hope they don't give into the moment and give him a big contract. He's had one good year with us, does that validate a giant contract? Lets see how he plays this year and go from there, we can always use the tag. Remember he was the num1 overall pick when rookies were still getting mega deals. And wasn't he also the free agent quarterback a couple years ago no one would sign, so he went back to the 49ers.

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Posted: 5/30/2014 8:53 PM

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I dont think Chiefs can get away with paying a QB who had 3,700 yards. 27 TDs, 7 INTs last season that little...15 million would rank him as the 11th highest paid QB and pretty close to what I think he gets....4 years. 60 million with a 28 million guarantee....then again i have no real clue

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dksww wrote: KC has all the leverage and hopefully Dorsey is smarter than King Carl and won't pay a guy on a small sample size.

I really like A. Smith as the Chiefs' QB and loved what I saw the last half of the year and playoff game, but it's in KC's best interest to let 2014 play out before handing A. Smith a huge deal and possibly handcuffing them later down the road on deals for Houston, Berry and Poe.

If Smith won't sign/extend for around 12-15 million this year, KC can just franchise him in 2015 and take it from there.
i agree. but i think 10-12 is more right. i really think we should wait till after next year before we do his deal. we should be focused on signing houston

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Posted: 5/30/2014 9:31 PM

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i think most other teams are overpaying their qb's but i think this is a fair value
are you counting playoff yards also?

3,313 yards. that puts him at 17th
23td that puts him at 15th
7 int's that puts him around 9th
YDS/a 6.52 that puts him 29th
qb rating 89.1 puts him 14th

10-12 million a year is around the 14th highest based on this site. i think his numbers fit in the range of 15th best qb last year. it seems a very fair deal to me
http://overthecap.com/top-play...php?Position=QB
mloe68 wrote:
I dont think Chiefs can get away with paying a QB who had 3,700 yards. 27 TDs, 7 INTs last season that little...15 million would rank him as the 11th highest paid QB and pretty close to what I think he gets....4 years. 60 million with a 28 million guarantee....then again i have no real clue

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dksww wrote: KC has all the leverage and hopefully Dorsey is smarter than King Carl and won't pay a guy on a small sample size.

I really like A. Smith as the Chiefs' QB and loved what I saw the last half of the year and playoff game, but it's in KC's best interest to let 2014 play out before handing A. Smith a huge deal and possibly handcuffing them later down the road on deals for Houston, Berry and Poe.

If Smith won't sign/extend for around 12-15 million this year, KC can just franchise him in 2015 and take it from there.
i agree. but i think 10-12 is more right. i really think we should wait till after next year before we do his deal. we should be focused on signing houston

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Posted: 5/30/2014 10:14 PM

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Yes...should playoff game not count? Fact he was sat for SD game makes it a perfect 16 game sample size to compare with others. Makes no sense to throw out the most important game of the season. As such..

3,700 yards ranks him 15th
27. TDs. ranks him 8th
7. INTs ranks him. 3rd
6.7 YPA ranks him. 26th. (This number would be concerning until you see that he was the absolute best QB in the NFL in this category on third down which speaks volumes about his unique ability to measure risk quickly)
91 QB rating ranks him 11th
475 rushing yards ranks him 7th

I really believe at this point we have found Rich Gannon for the second time. Just no way we can let him get away again. 18 million per is elite money and he is not that. But he is worthy of 15 mil per season...anything less than that would be a huge bargain for us in my opinion.




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i think most other teams are overpaying their qb's but i think this is a fair value
are you counting playoff yards also?

3,313 yards. that puts him at 17th
23td that puts him at 15th
7 int's that puts him around 9th
YDS/a 6.52 that puts him 29th
qb rating 89.1 puts him 14th

10-12 million a year is around the 14th highest based on this site. i think his numbers fit in the range of 15th best qb last year. it seems a very fair deal to me
overthecap.com/top-play...php?Position=QB
mloe68 wrote:
I dont think Chiefs can get away with paying a QB who had 3,700 yards. 27 TDs, 7 INTs last season that little...15 million would rank him as the 11th highest paid QB and pretty close to what I think he gets....4 years. 60 million with a 28 million guarantee....then again i have no real clue

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dksww wrote: KC has all the leverage and hopefully Dorsey is smarter than King Carl and won't pay a guy on a small sample size.

I really like A. Smith as the Chiefs' QB and loved what I saw the last half of the year and playoff game, but it's in KC's best interest to let 2014 play out before handing A. Smith a huge deal and possibly handcuffing them later down the road on deals for Houston, Berry and Poe.

If Smith won't sign/extend for around 12-15 million this year, KC can just franchise him in 2015 and take it from there.
i agree. but i think 10-12 is more right. i really think we should wait till after next year before we do his deal. we should be focused on signing houston

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Posted: 5/30/2014 10:44 PM

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post season have different stats dawg. that why the split them by regular season and postseason stats. not everyone gets to play in the postseason . it is a extra game that voids the whole rankings.
got no clue how you come up with 3rd for int's. are you selectively pruning players? are you removing players who didn't have a set amount of throws? he isn't 3rd . when you added alex smiths extra stats did you add them for all the other players who made the playoffs? you can't just take his numbers in the postseason and add them to the regular season  without doing the same for everyone. as it throws the whole ranking out. we can't use magical math homie. these are not factual stats. player missing a game in the regular season can't just be replaced  with a playoff game this is what his 2013 stats are



but even using the extra game i still think 10-12 is fair money. if he got 12 million that would put him as like the 12 highest paid or something like that. which is more than fair i think

i don't know what alex smith is yet. at the end of the year he was doing well. how much was his weak start because of andy and just being a new system. in a perfect world we would not even be talking to him about a new deal yet. i think we need at least another year on him to see what we really have.  we need to see which alex is going to be showing up. the man we seen at the end of the year or the one we seen at the start
mloe68 wrote: Yes...should playoff game not count? Fact he was sat for SD game makes it a perfect 16 game sample size to compare with others. Makes no sense to throw out the most important game of the season. As such..

3,700 yards ranks him 15th
27. TDs. ranks him 8th
7. INTs ranks him. 3rd
6.7 YPA ranks him. 26th. (This number would be concerning until you see that he was the absolute best QB in the NFL in this category on third down which speaks volumes about his unique ability to measure risk quickly)
91 QB rating ranks him 11th
475 rushing yards ranks him 7th

I really believe at this point we have found Rich Gannon for the second time. Just no way we can let him get away again. 18 million per is elite money and he is not that. But he is worthy of 15 mil per season...anything less than that would be a huge bargain for us in my opinion.




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i think most other teams are overpaying their qb's but i think this is a fair value
are you counting playoff yards also?

3,313 yards. that puts him at 17th
23td that puts him at 15th
7 int's that puts him around 9th
YDS/a 6.52 that puts him 29th
qb rating 89.1 puts him 14th

10-12 million a year is around the 14th highest based on this site. i think his numbers fit in the range of 15th best qb last year. it seems a very fair deal to me
overthecap.com/top-play...php?Position=QB
mloe68 wrote:
I dont think Chiefs can get away with paying a QB who had 3,700 yards. 27 TDs, 7 INTs last season that little...15 million would rank him as the 11th highest paid QB and pretty close to what I think he gets....4 years. 60 million with a 28 million guarantee....then again i have no real clue

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dksww wrote: KC has all the leverage and hopefully Dorsey is smarter than King Carl and won't pay a guy on a small sample size.

I really like A. Smith as the Chiefs' QB and loved what I saw the last half of the year and playoff game, but it's in KC's best interest to let 2014 play out before handing A. Smith a huge deal and possibly handcuffing them later down the road on deals for Houston, Berry and Poe.

If Smith won't sign/extend for around 12-15 million this year, KC can just franchise him in 2015 and take it from there.
i agree. but i think 10-12 is more right. i really think we should wait till after next year before we do his deal. we should be focused on signing houston

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Posted: 5/30/2014 11:04 PM

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..I used the 16 games Alex Smith played and compared it to the 16 games most of the other QBs played. Apples to apples. Somehow because he played his 16th game on a bigger stage it should not count? Those other QBs didnt ride the bench in week 17, so they got stats he did not have an opportunity to get. There is nothing deceptive or tricky about this. His 16 games vs theirs. Im not picking and choosing anything. Real numbers for 16 games.

As for interceptions, I didnt even bother to change that stat...Again its very simple to look up this stat...its called interception percentage and his 1.4 percent ranked third in the NFL. Add the 16th game and its closer to 1.0 percent. He is elite at protecting the ball. You want to talk about fudging the numbers to fit your story. Saying Alex Smith ranks behind 4 players who started nine games or less in interceptions is plain silly. And its why there is a specific stat for interception percentage.


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post season have different stats dawg. that why the split them by regular season and postseason stats. not everyone gets to play in the postseason . it is a extra game that voids the whole rankings.
got no clue how you come up with 3rd for int's. are you selectively pruning players? are you removing players who didn't have a set amount of throws? he isn't 3rd . when you added alex smiths extra stats did you add them for all the other players who made the playoffs? you can't just take his numbers in the postseason and add them to the regular season  without doing the same for everyone. as it throws the whole ranking out. we can't use magical math homie. these are not factual stats. player missing a game in the regular season can't just be replaced  with a playoff game this is what his 2013 stats are



but even using the extra game i still think 10-12 is fair money. if he got 12 million that would put him as like the 12 highest paid or something like that. which is more than fair i think

i don't know what alex smith is yet. at the end of the year he was doing well. how much was his weak start because of andy and just being a new system. in a perfect world we would not even be talking to him about a new deal yet. i think we need at least another year on him to see what we really have.  we need to see which alex is going to be showing up. the man we seen at the end of the year or the one we seen at the start
mloe68 wrote: Yes...should playoff game not count? Fact he was sat for SD game makes it a perfect 16 game sample size to compare with others. Makes no sense to throw out the most important game of the season. As such..

3,700 yards ranks him 15th
27. TDs. ranks him 8th
7. INTs ranks him. 3rd
6.7 YPA ranks him. 26th. (This number would be concerning until you see that he was the absolute best QB in the NFL in this category on third down which speaks volumes about his unique ability to measure risk quickly)
91 QB rating ranks him 11th
475 rushing yards ranks him 7th

I really believe at this point we have found Rich Gannon for the second time. Just no way we can let him get away again. 18 million per is elite money and he is not that. But he is worthy of 15 mil per season...anything less than that would be a huge bargain for us in my opinion.




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--- drunkie wrote:

i think most other teams are overpaying their qb's but i think this is a fair value
are you counting playoff yards also?

3,313 yards. that puts him at 17th
23td that puts him at 15th
7 int's that puts him around 9th
YDS/a 6.52 that puts him 29th
qb rating 89.1 puts him 14th

10-12 million a year is around the 14th highest based on this site. i think his numbers fit in the range of 15th best qb last year. it seems a very fair deal to me
overthecap.com/top-play...php?Position=QB
mloe68 wrote:
I dont think Chiefs can get away with paying a QB who had 3,700 yards. 27 TDs, 7 INTs last season that little...15 million would rank him as the 11th highest paid QB and pretty close to what I think he gets....4 years. 60 million with a 28 million guarantee....then again i have no real clue

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--- drunkie wrote:


dksww wrote: KC has all the leverage and hopefully Dorsey is smarter than King Carl and won't pay a guy on a small sample size.

I really like A. Smith as the Chiefs' QB and loved what I saw the last half of the year and playoff game, but it's in KC's best interest to let 2014 play out before handing A. Smith a huge deal and possibly handcuffing them later down the road on deals for Houston, Berry and Poe.

If Smith won't sign/extend for around 12-15 million this year, KC can just franchise him in 2015 and take it from there.
i agree. but i think 10-12 is more right. i really think we should wait till after next year before we do his deal. we should be focused on signing houston

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Posted: 5/30/2014 11:22 PM

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i posted the stats how they are listed. no changing of them. if  changed how do you expect us to know unless you tell us . this is what his stats could of been. but when you list it as what they are it becomes incorrect 

 so if jc runs for 1800 yards but missed a game. then runs for 300 in the playoffs does his career say he ran for 2100 yards in 2013? it doesn't. they missed a game. that is there season. you can't replace that to make numbers look different than they are. he missed a game. he played 15 and his  numbers for 15 games, are   what they are. the season ends at game 16.  what happens after is a whole sub category . sorry sir, the nfl lists his stats from last year http://www.nfl.com/player/alexsmith/2506340/profile  that is what they are. the nfl doesn't allow for make up games to be thrown in if you missed one. i just stating what it is dawg. i'm not trying to argue with you. you are adding things that are not part of it 
mloe68 wrote: ..I used the 16 games Alex Smith played and compared it to the 16 games most of the other QBs played. Apples to apples. Somehow because he played his 16th game on a bigger stage it should not count? Those other QBs didnt ride the bench in week 17, so they got stats he did not have an opportunity to get. There is nothing deceptive or tricky about this. His 16 games vs theirs. Im not picking and choosing anything. Real numbers for 16 games.

As for interceptions, I didnt even bother to change that stat...Again its very simple to look up this stat...its called interception percentage and his 1.4 percent ranked third in the NFL. Add the 16th game and its closer to 1.0 percent. He is elite at protecting the ball. You want to talk about fudging the numbers to fit your story. Saying Alex Smith ranks behind 4 players who started nine games or less in interceptions is plain silly. And its why there is a specific stat for interception percentage.


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post season have different stats dawg. that why the split them by regular season and postseason stats. not everyone gets to play in the postseason . it is a extra game that voids the whole rankings.
got no clue how you come up with 3rd for int's. are you selectively pruning players? are you removing players who didn't have a set amount of throws? he isn't 3rd . when you added alex smiths extra stats did you add them for all the other players who made the playoffs? you can't just take his numbers in the postseason and add them to the regular season  without doing the same for everyone. as it throws the whole ranking out. we can't use magical math homie. these are not factual stats. player missing a game in the regular season can't just be replaced  with a playoff game this is what his 2013 stats are



but even using the extra game i still think 10-12 is fair money. if he got 12 million that would put him as like the 12 highest paid or something like that. which is more than fair i think

i don't know what alex smith is yet. at the end of the year he was doing well. how much was his weak start because of andy and just being a new system. in a perfect world we would not even be talking to him about a new deal yet. i think we need at least another year on him to see what we really have.  we need to see which alex is going to be showing up. the man we seen at the end of the year or the one we seen at the start
mloe68 wrote: Yes...should playoff game not count? Fact he was sat for SD game makes it a perfect 16 game sample size to compare with others. Makes no sense to throw out the most important game of the season. As such..

3,700 yards ranks him 15th
27. TDs. ranks him 8th
7. INTs ranks him. 3rd
6.7 YPA ranks him. 26th. (This number would be concerning until you see that he was the absolute best QB in the NFL in this category on third down which speaks volumes about his unique ability to measure risk quickly)
91 QB rating ranks him 11th
475 rushing yards ranks him 7th

I really believe at this point we have found Rich Gannon for the second time. Just no way we can let him get away again. 18 million per is elite money and he is not that. But he is worthy of 15 mil per season...anything less than that would be a huge bargain for us in my opinion.




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--- drunkie wrote:

i think most other teams are overpaying their qb's but i think this is a fair value
are you counting playoff yards also?

3,313 yards. that puts him at 17th
23td that puts him at 15th
7 int's that puts him around 9th
YDS/a 6.52 that puts him 29th
qb rating 89.1 puts him 14th

10-12 million a year is around the 14th highest based on this site. i think his numbers fit in the range of 15th best qb last year. it seems a very fair deal to me
overthecap.com/top-play...php?Position=QB
mloe68 wrote:
I dont think Chiefs can get away with paying a QB who had 3,700 yards. 27 TDs, 7 INTs last season that little...15 million would rank him as the 11th highest paid QB and pretty close to what I think he gets....4 years. 60 million with a 28 million guarantee....then again i have no real clue

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dksww wrote: KC has all the leverage and hopefully Dorsey is smarter than King Carl and won't pay a guy on a small sample size.

I really like A. Smith as the Chiefs' QB and loved what I saw the last half of the year and playoff game, but it's in KC's best interest to let 2014 play out before handing A. Smith a huge deal and possibly handcuffing them later down the road on deals for Houston, Berry and Poe.

If Smith won't sign/extend for around 12-15 million this year, KC can just franchise him in 2015 and take it from there.
i agree. but i think 10-12 is more right. i really think we should wait till after next year before we do his deal. we should be focused on signing houston

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Posted: 5/31/2014 12:17 AM

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It doesnt make any difference what "it" says. Im not trying to tell a story and skewing it in my favor, I am simply choosing to compare his 16 games to the other QBs 16 games so that it creates a more valid comparison to see where he really stands in relation to them. 16 games to 16 games.

Its a FAR more accurate comparison than counting the game he missed against him when it was not his fault. You might have a point if he missed a start with an injury because availability is half the battle. But thats not the case at all. So why in the world would you not want the best possible comparison to see what type of QB we really have? Apples to apples...Alex played in 16 games. And I am including stats from ALL 16 games. How is this even remotely deceiving. I mean, what is the big deal here.


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i posted the stats how they are listed. no changing of them. if  changed how do you expect us to know unless you tell us . this is what his stats could of been. but when you list it as what they are it becomes incorrect 

 so if jc runs for 1800 yards but missed a game. then runs for 300 in the playoffs does his career say he ran for 2100 yards in 2013? it doesn't. they missed a game. that is there season. you can't replace that to make numbers look different than they are. he missed a game. he played 15 and his  numbers for 15 games, are   what they are. the season ends at game 16.  what happens after is a whole sub category . sorry sir, the nfl lists his stats from last year www.nfl.com/player/alexsmith/2506340/profile  that is what they are. the nfl doesn't allow for make up games to be thrown in if you missed one. i just stating what it is dawg. i'm not trying to argue with you. you are adding things that are not part of it 
mloe68 wrote: ..I used the 16 games Alex Smith played and compared it to the 16 games most of the other QBs played. Apples to apples. Somehow because he played his 16th game on a bigger stage it should not count? Those other QBs didnt ride the bench in week 17, so they got stats he did not have an opportunity to get. There is nothing deceptive or tricky about this. His 16 games vs theirs. Im not picking and choosing anything. Real numbers for 16 games.

As for interceptions, I didnt even bother to change that stat...Again its very simple to look up this stat...its called interception percentage and his 1.4 percent ranked third in the NFL. Add the 16th game and its closer to 1.0 percent. He is elite at protecting the ball. You want to talk about fudging the numbers to fit your story. Saying Alex Smith ranks behind 4 players who started nine games or less in interceptions is plain silly. And its why there is a specific stat for interception percentage.


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post season have different stats dawg. that why the split them by regular season and postseason stats. not everyone gets to play in the postseason . it is a extra game that voids the whole rankings.
got no clue how you come up with 3rd for int's. are you selectively pruning players? are you removing players who didn't have a set amount of throws? he isn't 3rd . when you added alex smiths extra stats did you add them for all the other players who made the playoffs? you can't just take his numbers in the postseason and add them to the regular season  without doing the same for everyone. as it throws the whole ranking out. we can't use magical math homie. these are not factual stats. player missing a game in the regular season can't just be replaced  with a playoff game this is what his 2013 stats are



but even using the extra game i still think 10-12 is fair money. if he got 12 million that would put him as like the 12 highest paid or something like that. which is more than fair i think

i don't know what alex smith is yet. at the end of the year he was doing well. how much was his weak start because of andy and just being a new system. in a perfect world we would not even be talking to him about a new deal yet. i think we need at least another year on him to see what we really have.  we need to see which alex is going to be showing up. the man we seen at the end of the year or the one we seen at the start
mloe68 wrote: Yes...should playoff game not count? Fact he was sat for SD game makes it a perfect 16 game sample size to compare with others. Makes no sense to throw out the most important game of the season. As such..

3,700 yards ranks him 15th
27. TDs. ranks him 8th
7. INTs ranks him. 3rd
6.7 YPA ranks him. 26th. (This number would be concerning until you see that he was the absolute best QB in the NFL in this category on third down which speaks volumes about his unique ability to measure risk quickly)
91 QB rating ranks him 11th
475 rushing yards ranks him 7th

I really believe at this point we have found Rich Gannon for the second time. Just no way we can let him get away again. 18 million per is elite money and he is not that. But he is worthy of 15 mil per season...anything less than that would be a huge bargain for us in my opinion.




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--- drunkie wrote:

i think most other teams are overpaying their qb's but i think this is a fair value
are you counting playoff yards also?

3,313 yards. that puts him at 17th
23td that puts him at 15th
7 int's that puts him around 9th
YDS/a 6.52 that puts him 29th
qb rating 89.1 puts him 14th

10-12 million a year is around the 14th highest based on this site. i think his numbers fit in the range of 15th best qb last year. it seems a very fair deal to me
overthecap.com/top-play...php?Position=QB
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I dont think Chiefs can get away with paying a QB who had 3,700 yards. 27 TDs, 7 INTs last season that little...15 million would rank him as the 11th highest paid QB and pretty close to what I think he gets....4 years. 60 million with a 28 million guarantee....then again i have no real clue

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dksww wrote: KC has all the leverage and hopefully Dorsey is smarter than King Carl and won't pay a guy on a small sample size.

I really like A. Smith as the Chiefs' QB and loved what I saw the last half of the year and playoff game, but it's in KC's best interest to let 2014 play out before handing A. Smith a huge deal and possibly handcuffing them later down the road on deals for Houston, Berry and Poe.

If Smith won't sign/extend for around 12-15 million this year, KC can just franchise him in 2015 and take it from there.
i agree. but i think 10-12 is more right. i really think we should wait till after next year before we do his deal. we should be focused on signing houston

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Posted: 5/31/2014 1:21 AM

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i'm sorry i disagree sir. i don't think it is apple to apples. i don't recall why alex missed the chargers game. you are not comparing apples to apples. how many players sat out played limited because they had  there playoffs locked up? when you start making exceptions you need to look at all of the teams and do it to all or it isn't accurate. i don't why there is a need to add to his season. you are skewing the numbers for whatever your reason.

when you look it up it shows different numbers than you posted. how is that not deceiving. you didn't state that you added a game. so when i looked it up because the numbers seemed off i find different numbers.  you seem like you expect us to count something just because you want it . when you look him up they list him as the numbers i posted. you don't feel this is fair. thats fine but when you change  things if you don't tell us how are we expected to know? you can count it any way you want. but it unreasonable of you to expect others to understand where you coming from unless you tell us you added numbers else it looks like you looked up the wrong player and posted the wrong stats by mistake or something. i'm sorry but it seems you are the one who thinks it is a big deal. if you look even said even if we use the extra game numbers i still felt my 10-12 reason. i really could careless.  you can count the whole career numbers . if i know thats what you did so i can understand what your saying i don't care at all. i will not agree with it and will not agree with them numbers but could careless if thats how you wanted to view it
mloe68 wrote: It doesnt make any difference what "it" says. Im not trying to tell a story and skewing it in my favor, I am simply choosing to compare his 16 games to the other QBs 16 games so that it creates a more valid comparison to see where he really stands in relation to them. 16 games to 16 games.

Its a FAR more accurate comparison than counting the game he missed against him when it was not his fault. You might have a point if he missed a start with an injury because availability is half the battle. But thats not the case at all. So why in the world would you not want the best possible comparison to see what type of QB we really have? Apples to apples...Alex played in 16 games. And I am including stats from ALL 16 games. How is this even remotely deceiving. I mean, what is the big deal here.


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i posted the stats how they are listed. no changing of them. if  changed how do you expect us to know unless you tell us . this is what his stats could of been. but when you list it as what they are it becomes incorrect 

 so if jc runs for 1800 yards but missed a game. then runs for 300 in the playoffs does his career say he ran for 2100 yards in 2013? it doesn't. they missed a game. that is there season. you can't replace that to make numbers look different than they are. he missed a game. he played 15 and his  numbers for 15 games, are   what they are. the season ends at game 16.  what happens after is a whole sub category . sorry sir, the nfl lists his stats from last year www.nfl.com/player/alexsmith/2506340/profile  that is what they are. the nfl doesn't allow for make up games to be thrown in if you missed one. i just stating what it is dawg. i'm not trying to argue with you. you are adding things that are not part of it 
mloe68 wrote: ..I used the 16 games Alex Smith played and compared it to the 16 games most of the other QBs played. Apples to apples. Somehow because he played his 16th game on a bigger stage it should not count? Those other QBs didnt ride the bench in week 17, so they got stats he did not have an opportunity to get. There is nothing deceptive or tricky about this. His 16 games vs theirs. Im not picking and choosing anything. Real numbers for 16 games.

As for interceptions, I didnt even bother to change that stat...Again its very simple to look up this stat...its called interception percentage and his 1.4 percent ranked third in the NFL. Add the 16th game and its closer to 1.0 percent. He is elite at protecting the ball. You want to talk about fudging the numbers to fit your story. Saying Alex Smith ranks behind 4 players who started nine games or less in interceptions is plain silly. And its why there is a specific stat for interception percentage.


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post season have different stats dawg. that why the split them by regular season and postseason stats. not everyone gets to play in the postseason . it is a extra game that voids the whole rankings.
got no clue how you come up with 3rd for int's. are you selectively pruning players? are you removing players who didn't have a set amount of throws? he isn't 3rd . when you added alex smiths extra stats did you add them for all the other players who made the playoffs? you can't just take his numbers in the postseason and add them to the regular season  without doing the same for everyone. as it throws the whole ranking out. we can't use magical math homie. these are not factual stats. player missing a game in the regular season can't just be replaced  with a playoff game this is what his 2013 stats are



but even using the extra game i still think 10-12 is fair money. if he got 12 million that would put him as like the 12 highest paid or something like that. which is more than fair i think

i don't know what alex smith is yet. at the end of the year he was doing well. how much was his weak start because of andy and just being a new system. in a perfect world we would not even be talking to him about a new deal yet. i think we need at least another year on him to see what we really have.  we need to see which alex is going to be showing up. the man we seen at the end of the year or the one we seen at the start
mloe68 wrote: Yes...should playoff game not count? Fact he was sat for SD game makes it a perfect 16 game sample size to compare with others. Makes no sense to throw out the most important game of the season. As such..

3,700 yards ranks him 15th
27. TDs. ranks him 8th
7. INTs ranks him. 3rd
6.7 YPA ranks him. 26th. (This number would be concerning until you see that he was the absolute best QB in the NFL in this category on third down which speaks volumes about his unique ability to measure risk quickly)
91 QB rating ranks him 11th
475 rushing yards ranks him 7th

I really believe at this point we have found Rich Gannon for the second time. Just no way we can let him get away again. 18 million per is elite money and he is not that. But he is worthy of 15 mil per season...anything less than that would be a huge bargain for us in my opinion.




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i think most other teams are overpaying their qb's but i think this is a fair value
are you counting playoff yards also?

3,313 yards. that puts him at 17th
23td that puts him at 15th
7 int's that puts him around 9th
YDS/a 6.52 that puts him 29th
qb rating 89.1 puts him 14th

10-12 million a year is around the 14th highest based on this site. i think his numbers fit in the range of 15th best qb last year. it seems a very fair deal to me
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mloe68 wrote:
I dont think Chiefs can get away with paying a QB who had 3,700 yards. 27 TDs, 7 INTs last season that little...15 million would rank him as the 11th highest paid QB and pretty close to what I think he gets....4 years. 60 million with a 28 million guarantee....then again i have no real clue

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dksww wrote: KC has all the leverage and hopefully Dorsey is smarter than King Carl and won't pay a guy on a small sample size.

I really like A. Smith as the Chiefs' QB and loved what I saw the last half of the year and playoff game, but it's in KC's best interest to let 2014 play out before handing A. Smith a huge deal and possibly handcuffing them later down the road on deals for Houston, Berry and Poe.

If Smith won't sign/extend for around 12-15 million this year, KC can just franchise him in 2015 and take it from there.
i agree. but i think 10-12 is more right. i really think we should wait till after next year before we do his deal. we should be focused on signing houston

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Posted: 5/31/2014 2:04 AM

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The entire starting offense and defense was given the day off in SD because it was a meaningless game to us And the Chargers were one of the worst defenses in the NFL which meant likely big numbers for Smith (294 yards and 3 TDs in KC). Again. i am simply trying to come up with the best way to compare what Alex Smith did vs other Qbs in the league. The playoff game provided me with the missing piece from the game he was left on the bench. I believe my comparison of stats is simply more realistic than yours because it includes MORE not less information. Its that simple. Your welcome to compare any way you want. Even if it means ranking a guy with 7 interceptions in 16 games behind a guy with 6 interceptions in only 8 games. Or comparing 15 games vs 16. Whatever. Your choice.

In the end I can assure you that the playoff game Alex played will most definitely figure in the contract process. And thats what we are really talking about here isnt it?

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i'm sorry i disagree sir. i don't think it is apple to apples. i don't recall why alex missed the chargers game. you are not comparing apples to apples. how many players sat out played limited because they had  there playoffs locked up? when you start making exceptions you need to look at all of the teams and do it to all or it isn't accurate. i don't why there is a need to add to his season. you are skewing the numbers for whatever your reason.

when you look it up it shows different numbers than you posted. how is that not deceiving. you didn't state that you added a game. so when i looked it up because the numbers seemed off i find different numbers.  you seem like you expect us to count something just because you want it . when you look him up they list him as the numbers i posted. you don't feel this is fair. thats fine but when you change  things if you don't tell us how are we expected to know? you can count it any way you want. but it unreasonable of you to expect others to understand where you coming from unless you tell us you added numbers else it looks like you looked up the wrong player and posted the wrong stats by mistake or something. i'm sorry but it seems you are the one who thinks it is a big deal. if you look even said even if we use the extra game numbers i still felt my 10-12 reason. i really could careless.  you can count the whole career numbers . if i know thats what you did so i can understand what your saying i don't care at all. i will not agree with it and will not agree with them numbers but could careless if thats how you wanted to view it
mloe68 wrote: It doesnt make any difference what "it" says. Im not trying to tell a story and skewing it in my favor, I am simply choosing to compare his 16 games to the other QBs 16 games so that it creates a more valid comparison to see where he really stands in relation to them. 16 games to 16 games.

Its a FAR more accurate comparison than counting the game he missed against him when it was not his fault. You might have a point if he missed a start with an injury because availability is half the battle. But thats not the case at all. So why in the world would you not want the best possible comparison to see what type of QB we really have? Apples to apples...Alex played in 16 games. And I am including stats from ALL 16 games. How is this even remotely deceiving. I mean, what is the big deal here.


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i posted the stats how they are listed. no changing of them. if  changed how do you expect us to know unless you tell us . this is what his stats could of been. but when you list it as what they are it becomes incorrect 

 so if jc runs for 1800 yards but missed a game. then runs for 300 in the playoffs does his career say he ran for 2100 yards in 2013? it doesn't. they missed a game. that is there season. you can't replace that to make numbers look different than they are. he missed a game. he played 15 and his  numbers for 15 games, are   what they are. the season ends at game 16.  what happens after is a whole sub category . sorry sir, the nfl lists his stats from last year www.nfl.com/player/alexsmith/2506340/profile  that is what they are. the nfl doesn't allow for make up games to be thrown in if you missed one. i just stating what it is dawg. i'm not trying to argue with you. you are adding things that are not part of it 
mloe68 wrote: ..I used the 16 games Alex Smith played and compared it to the 16 games most of the other QBs played. Apples to apples. Somehow because he played his 16th game on a bigger stage it should not count? Those other QBs didnt ride the bench in week 17, so they got stats he did not have an opportunity to get. There is nothing deceptive or tricky about this. His 16 games vs theirs. Im not picking and choosing anything. Real numbers for 16 games.

As for interceptions, I didnt even bother to change that stat...Again its very simple to look up this stat...its called interception percentage and his 1.4 percent ranked third in the NFL. Add the 16th game and its closer to 1.0 percent. He is elite at protecting the ball. You want to talk about fudging the numbers to fit your story. Saying Alex Smith ranks behind 4 players who started nine games or less in interceptions is plain silly. And its why there is a specific stat for interception percentage.


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post season have different stats dawg. that why the split them by regular season and postseason stats. not everyone gets to play in the postseason . it is a extra game that voids the whole rankings.
got no clue how you come up with 3rd for int's. are you selectively pruning players? are you removing players who didn't have a set amount of throws? he isn't 3rd . when you added alex smiths extra stats did you add them for all the other players who made the playoffs? you can't just take his numbers in the postseason and add them to the regular season  without doing the same for everyone. as it throws the whole ranking out. we can't use magical math homie. these are not factual stats. player missing a game in the regular season can't just be replaced  with a playoff game this is what his 2013 stats are



but even using the extra game i still think 10-12 is fair money. if he got 12 million that would put him as like the 12 highest paid or something like that. which is more than fair i think

i don't know what alex smith is yet. at the end of the year he was doing well. how much was his weak start because of andy and just being a new system. in a perfect world we would not even be talking to him about a new deal yet. i think we need at least another year on him to see what we really have.  we need to see which alex is going to be showing up. the man we seen at the end of the year or the one we seen at the start
mloe68 wrote: Yes...should playoff game not count? Fact he was sat for SD game makes it a perfect 16 game sample size to compare with others. Makes no sense to throw out the most important game of the season. As such..

3,700 yards ranks him 15th
27. TDs. ranks him 8th
7. INTs ranks him. 3rd
6.7 YPA ranks him. 26th. (This number would be concerning until you see that he was the absolute best QB in the NFL in this category on third down which speaks volumes about his unique ability to measure risk quickly)
91 QB rating ranks him 11th
475 rushing yards ranks him 7th

I really believe at this point we have found Rich Gannon for the second time. Just no way we can let him get away again. 18 million per is elite money and he is not that. But he is worthy of 15 mil per season...anything less than that would be a huge bargain for us in my opinion.




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i think most other teams are overpaying their qb's but i think this is a fair value
are you counting playoff yards also?

3,313 yards. that puts him at 17th
23td that puts him at 15th
7 int's that puts him around 9th
YDS/a 6.52 that puts him 29th
qb rating 89.1 puts him 14th

10-12 million a year is around the 14th highest based on this site. i think his numbers fit in the range of 15th best qb last year. it seems a very fair deal to me
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mloe68 wrote:
I dont think Chiefs can get away with paying a QB who had 3,700 yards. 27 TDs, 7 INTs last season that little...15 million would rank him as the 11th highest paid QB and pretty close to what I think he gets....4 years. 60 million with a 28 million guarantee....then again i have no real clue

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dksww wrote: KC has all the leverage and hopefully Dorsey is smarter than King Carl and won't pay a guy on a small sample size.

I really like A. Smith as the Chiefs' QB and loved what I saw the last half of the year and playoff game, but it's in KC's best interest to let 2014 play out before handing A. Smith a huge deal and possibly handcuffing them later down the road on deals for Houston, Berry and Poe.

If Smith won't sign/extend for around 12-15 million this year, KC can just franchise him in 2015 and take it from there.
i agree. but i think 10-12 is more right. i really think we should wait till after next year before we do his deal. we should be focused on signing houston

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Last edited 5/31/2014 10:12 AM by mloe68

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Posted: 5/31/2014 10:45 AM

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If we are going by averages, like YPA or rating or percentage, sure, 15 games is fine in comparison. But if you are going by totals, why should 15 games be considered the same as 16 unless the game is missed due to injury? It's not like mloe picked a great preseason game, dismissed the vanilla Week 16 Indy game, or prorated the season.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 10:18 AM

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taubytaub wrote: please don't cave to alex's demands, if he plays decent that's great, i'd rather roll with Daniel, Murray, Bray instead of losing Houston // Berry // Poe
Overpaying Smith will probably not lead to losing any of these guys as we'll have some cap relief with Hali, Flowers, DeVito, Sean Smith, Fasano, Bowe over the next couple years. All 3 are top priority guys who happen to be very young pro bowlers, I think Dorsey will not lose any of them. 

Smith's contract will likely dictate our future incoming FAs but I believe Dorsey will not exceed a certain ceiling he already set for him. Reid has a past of grooming QBs as if his starter could leave any day, I don't expect that to change.
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