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Posted: 09/30/2012 3:35 PM

Nothing to be embarrassed about Pete! 


Russell Wilson at the helm is not the answer. He certainly looked good in pre season, but this team has the talent to go far except at the QB position. Nothing wrong with admitting Wilson needs some more seasoning and start Flynn to see what he can do. The offense can run the ball but it is way too one dimensional.
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Posted: 09/30/2012 4:33 PM

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exactly, been saying this from the start. It was very easy to see that RW didn't WIN the Qb competition. Hell, i don't think RW could straight up win a competition against T-sack,RW just isn't ready.
ving323 wrote: Russell Wilson at the helm is not the answer. He certainly looked good in pre season, but this team has the talent to go far except at the QB position. Nothing wrong with admitting Wilson needs some more seasoning and start Flynn to see what he can do. The offense can run the ball but it is way too one dimensional.
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Posted: 09/30/2012 4:40 PM

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I was worried about the team going into the season with only 2 starts among its QBs.  After Flynn got dinged in preseason, I was more concerned.

 

For all my liking of the previous QB, 2 starts...combined?

 

Wilson is a great athlete and looks like he'll eventually be impressive...but he got last week's win handed to him (which does happen, even with "real" refs), and it looked like the Rams saw what they needed to game plan for him today.

 

I agree that the skill of the offense might be held back by Wilson...but also, rookies have plenty of teething problems and Pete might just decide to ride them out.  That may be a painful process, maybe not.

 

The thumping of Dallas was great...but there's 2 losses and a fluke away from that.  I'm not being mean, I'm calling it like it's happening.  The kid's in for a rough ride, and whether his height will make it worse is a big question.

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Posted: 09/30/2012 4:43 PM

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who gives a rats ass about number of starts,T-suck had plenty of starts and he still sucks ass.Flynn has been in the league plenty of time,and should have been the starter,simple as that.
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I was worried about the team going into the season with only 2 starts among its QBs.  After Flynn got dinged in preseason, I was more concerned.

 

For all my liking of the previous QB, 2 starts...combined?

 

Wilson is a great athlete and looks like he'll eventually be impressive...but he got last week's win handed to him (which does happen, even with "real" refs), and it looked like the Rams saw what they needed to game plan for him today.

 

I agree that the skill of the offense might be held back by Wilson...but also, rookies have plenty of teething problems and Pete might just decide to ride them out.  That may be a painful process, maybe not.

 

The thumping of Dallas was great...but there's 2 losses and a fluke away from that.  I'm not being mean, I'm calling it like it's happening.  The kid's in for a rough ride, and whether his height will make it worse is a big question.

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Posted: 09/30/2012 7:11 PM

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He's an undersized 3rd round pick. He has a lot of talent but he is simply not ready. This team has far too much talent to "wait" any longer for a playoff run. With the NFL and it's parity the time should always be now. We gave Flynn a big contract, if he isn't any good either than at least we know what we have and we can go back to Wilson but he needs to sit and watch right now.
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Posted: 10/01/2012 12:07 AM

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I'm sure my perspective isn't very popular right now with most people, but here's how I see things:

     Arizona -- Replacement refs missed a lot of calls and made a lot of bad calls, which impacted the flow of the game and also allowed for Arizona to get the TD with Kolb at QB.  Then, even with all the penalties that were called at the end of the game, there were a lot more that were missed, which also directly impacted the result.  Also, Giacamini's personal fouls ruined momentum when we did have it.

     Dallas -- The game kind of speaks for itself.  The replacement refs did a fairly good job, and the defense dominated.  Omiyale did a great job subbing for Okung, and Giacamini avoided the major penalties.

     Green Bay -- Everyone wants to focus on the way it ended, and few want to admit the refs really screwed up a lot in Green Bay's favour throughout the second half until the last drive.  This time, the Seahawks got the win, unlike many times before when the refs have screwed us out of what we should have had.  And, while it may not be popular throughout the rest of the nation, it was the correct end result.

     St. Louis -- There were some pretty bad calls/missed calls that cost us a lot, but the officiating was better than the normal game called by the fake refs.  Giacamini was at it again with the drive-killers as he doesn't know how to not rack up personal fouls.  He needs benched in favour of Omiyale until he can learn to control his actions.

Now, this thread started in reference to Wilson as our quarterback.  He has only thrown four interceptions this year, and three were in today's game.  It's understandable that people want to switch quarterbacks because of this stat, but if you consider why he has the interceptions, it's not really fair to hold them against him.  Baldwin should have had a reception, but he dropped it into the arms of the defensive back, which really has nothing to do with Wilson.  Another was the result of Wilson getting hit as he threw 'cause there wasn't much of a pocket around him.  The last was because of McCoy slipping while the ball was in the air.  Really, how can you hold that against Wilson?

Flynn has a moderate contract.  He's not getting top-dollar, and his contract should not be a consideration when deciding who should play.  If his elbow's really bothering him, it would be best to make sure he's healthy and able to hold up before throwing him into the fire.  Wilson, on the other hand, is a very athletic quarterback without any injuries, and he can at least buy time for Flynn to be ready, if he doesn't show in the next few games that he should remain the starter.

Carolina should be an interesting game.  I guess it depends on which Panthers team shows up and which Seahawks team decides to challenge them.  This game could be a blow-out either way, it could end up as a shoot-out (though I highly doubt that), or it could be a defensive grudge match.  Whatever it is, I hope certain guys on our team have learned a thing or two and that we come out on top.
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Posted: 10/01/2012 4:00 AM

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ohlord  Lmao... So you believe that in 4 games,only the offense has been effected by the refs? lmao.. Not even. The guy is just not even close to being ready to start,looks like a scared kid out there. EVERT SINGLE STAT proves it. Go look at them, Pass % 21,yards 31,Td's tied for 21 with seven others,pass rateing 21,yrds/game 32. I think most like him,but refs didn't cause ****! He's either not a very good qb,or not ready to play yet. Sit him for 4 years and then see how he plays,i'm sure it will be better!! Like flynn would play i'm sure.
TCSeaFan81 wrote: I'm sure my perspective isn't very popular right now with most people, but here's how I see things:

     Arizona -- Replacement refs missed a lot of calls and made a lot of bad calls, which impacted the flow of the game and also allowed for Arizona to get the TD with Kolb at QB.  Then, even with all the penalties that were called at the end of the game, there were a lot more that were missed, which also directly impacted the result.  Also, Giacamini's personal fouls ruined momentum when we did have it.

     Dallas -- The game kind of speaks for itself.  The replacement refs did a fairly good job, and the defense dominated.  Omiyale did a great job subbing for Okung, and Giacamini avoided the major penalties.

     Green Bay -- Everyone wants to focus on the way it ended, and few want to admit the refs really screwed up a lot in Green Bay's favour throughout the second half until the last drive.  This time, the Seahawks got the win, unlike many times before when the refs have screwed us out of what we should have had.  And, while it may not be popular throughout the rest of the nation, it was the correct end result.

     St. Louis -- There were some pretty bad calls/missed calls that cost us a lot, but the officiating was better than the normal game called by the fake refs.  Giacamini was at it again with the drive-killers as he doesn't know how to not rack up personal fouls.  He needs benched in favour of Omiyale until he can learn to control his actions.

Now, this thread started in reference to Wilson as our quarterback.  He has only thrown four interceptions this year, and three were in today's game.  It's understandable that people want to switch quarterbacks because of this stat, but if you consider why he has the interceptions, it's not really fair to hold them against him.  Baldwin should have had a reception, but he dropped it into the arms of the defensive back, which really has nothing to do with Wilson.  Another was the result of Wilson getting hit as he threw 'cause there wasn't much of a pocket around him.  The last was because of McCoy slipping while the ball was in the air.  Really, how can you hold that against Wilson?

Flynn has a moderate contract.  He's not getting top-dollar, and his contract should not be a consideration when deciding who should play.  If his elbow's really bothering him, it would be best to make sure he's healthy and able to hold up before throwing him into the fire.  Wilson, on the other hand, is a very athletic quarterback without any injuries, and he can at least buy time for Flynn to be ready, if he doesn't show in the next few games that he should remain the starter.

Carolina should be an interesting game.  I guess it depends on which Panthers team shows up and which Seahawks team decides to challenge them.  This game could be a blow-out either way, it could end up as a shoot-out (though I highly doubt that), or it could be a defensive grudge match.  Whatever it is, I hope certain guys on our team have learned a thing or two and that we come out on top.
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Posted: 10/01/2012 6:57 AM

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Pete Carroll is solely responsible for this loss.  I think Wilson should have been sat for the second half in lieu of Flynn.  The Rams had enough tape on Wilson to know his tendencies and they did what well coached teams do.  Fisher knows how to get to a rookie QB, and he proved it.

Amendola has been a thorn in the Seahawks side for years, and apparently, we still have no answer for him still.

The Hawks had their opportunities to win this game, but Wilson was under performing in this game due to the pressure the Rams were putting on him.  Our D was giving up too many ten yarders.  They were playing too loose and Bradford was just taking what we were giving them.  Plain and simple.
Wilson's passing lanes were being taken away by the linemen and scrambling wasn't the answer.  The Hawks needed him to stand in the pocket and throw, but his height wouldn't allow him to do that.  Pete should have brought Flynn in at the start of the third quarter to see if the Hawks could begin to play a proper offense to what the Rams were doing.

Flynn could have stood into the pocket and saw over the line to be a different kind of threat for the Rams.  I blame Pete for not using all of the weapons in his arsenal to attempt to win this game.

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Posted: 10/01/2012 7:15 AM

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The Rams executed the formula for beating Seattle with Wilson at Qb.

Take what the Seattle defense will give you on offense and keep scooter in the pocket close to the OL. Make them run the ball slowly.
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Posted: 10/01/2012 9:37 AM

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I think that game plan will be copied a lot, because putting too much height in front of Wilson while keeping containment...well, the kid's in trouble in that case.

Will they get past it?  Dunno...but the Rams may have given Seattle' opponents the blueprint for ruining the rookie's season.  If he can't see and can't get away, that's pretty bad for him.
woofu wrote: The Rams executed the formula for beating Seattle with Wilson at Qb.

Take what the Seattle defense will give you on offense and keep scooter in the pocket close to the OL. Make them run the ball slowly.
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Posted: 10/01/2012 11:27 AM

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I think Wilson is doing fine. None of the three picks yesterday were really his fault.

-Baldwin should have hung onto the ball with a death-grip ala Golden Tate with his game-winning TD catch against the Packers.

-Wilson gets hit from behind on the second pick and the ball flies up in the air. That's as much on the pass protection as anything else.

-McCoy stumbles over his own feet and falls down on the third pick. The ball was right on target and would have been a nice pickup of yardage if McCoy doesn't fall.
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Posted: 10/01/2012 2:47 PM

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I think you can explain away anything if you want to but the bigger picture is outside of those three plays the team was playing from behind and at a grind by design. Pete has said as much himself. Pete also told everyone today that Flynn is not healthy enough to take on the starters role right now, only second team reps and back-up duties.

So there you have it, it is what it is and Pete just put the change at Qb on hold. The NFL will make RW prove he's not to short and Pete is dead set on letting him try.
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Posted: 10/01/2012 5:04 PM

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With all due and genuine respect to Pete...he might call Buffalo and see if they'd like to trade back.  If Flynn's still ailing and Wilson is playing a style of QB that tends to breed injuries...well, I said it was an error back then, and I haven't changed my mind.
woofu wrote: I think you can explain away anything if you want to but the bigger picture is outside of those three plays the team was playing from behind and at a grind by design. Pete has said as much himself. Pete also told everyone today that Flynn is not healthy enough to take on the starters role right now, only second team reps and back-up duties.

So there you have it, it is what it is and Pete just put the change at Qb on hold. The NFL will make RW prove he's not to short and Pete is dead set on letting him try.
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Posted: 10/01/2012 5:28 PM

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Lmfao....ohlord  What an idiot. Pete is i'm sure is glad not to have a pea brained,inaccurate,loser of a qb. God, how stupid can you be??? Your lover isn't even good enough to start for Buffalo.lol
Zanary wrote: With all due and genuine respect to Pete...he might call Buffalo and see if they'd like to trade back.  If Flynn's still ailing and Wilson is playing a style of QB that tends to breed injuries...well, I said it was an error back then, and I haven't changed my mind.
woofu wrote: I think you can explain away anything if you want to but the bigger picture is outside of those three plays the team was playing from behind and at a grind by design. Pete has said as much himself. Pete also told everyone today that Flynn is not healthy enough to take on the starters role right now, only second team reps and back-up duties.

So there you have it, it is what it is and Pete just put the change at Qb on hold. The NFL will make RW prove he's not to short and Pete is dead set on letting him try.
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Posted: 10/01/2012 11:10 PM

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Finally, someone sees the light. PC is completely and solely responsible for this, and the other 2, er loss.... He built this team. He is the one who gave us receivers who cannot catch, lineman that cannot block for the pass, and the QB's that are competing for which one is worse. He is the guy who has this team leading the NFL in penalties and was 2nd in the league last year........ Thank you Pete...
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Posted: 10/02/2012 5:32 AM

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Well if PC doesn't fix this offense problem the next 5 games are more than likely losses.RW is nowhere near good enough to win any of those games,with the possible exception of Minnesota.I don't want to hear the BS that flynn's elbow isn't ready,he played in the last preseason game and looked just fine.
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Posted: 10/02/2012 7:02 PM

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The issue Pete has with Flynn playing isn't Flynn's ability or current health status, but he doesn't know how Flynn's elbow will hold up during a week of starter snaps and then more snaps than he's used to on Sundays.  I have nothing against using both quarterbacks, though, and some trick plays could come with those as well.  Maybe Pete will find a way to work Flynn into the game plan and slowly let him test his elbow more and more as the season progresses.
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Posted: 10/02/2012 8:09 PM

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Russell Wilson's statistics during the team's 2-2 start, while not overly impressive, are comparable to and even better in some categories than those compiled by Matt Hasselbeck, Dave Krieg and Jim Zorn in their first four starts for the Seahawks. And that trio ranks 1-2-3 in just about every meaningful category on the franchise's all-time passing list.

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