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Inside The Ndamakong Suh Cowboys Trade Rumor

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Posted: 8/15/2014 8:55 AM

Inside The Ndamakong Suh Cowboys Trade Rumor 


Inside The Ndamakong Suh Cowboys Trade Rumor


(prem) http://dal.scout.com/story/143...oys-trade-rumor?

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Posted: 8/15/2014 8:55 AM

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that crazy
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Posted: 8/15/2014 8:58 AM

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god he would help this defense so much, on so many levels.
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Posted: 8/15/2014 9:01 AM

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Man I aprrove
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Posted: 8/15/2014 9:15 AM

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There ARE Suh-to-the-Cowboys trade rumors?  I've never heard it discussed except for people spitballing it on this board.  Good player.  Horrible person.  Exorbitant contract that would probably prevent us from re-signing Dez or really doing much of anything in free agency for years to come.  If Jerry were to even entertain this notion, he'd better be convinced he could do it in a way that wouldn't kill our cap for the next decade.

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Posted: 8/15/2014 9:16 AM

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ChoppinBroccoli wrote: There ARE Suh-to-the-Cowboys trade rumors?  I've never heard it discussed except for people spitballing it on this board.  Good player.  Horrible person.  Exorbitant contract that would probably prevent us from re-signing Dez or really doing much of anything in free agency for years to come.  If Jerry were to even entertain this notion, he'd better be convinced he could do it in a way that wouldn't kill our cap for the next decade.
I would not want Suh on my team.  Not quite the team player.
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Posted: 8/15/2014 9:27 AM

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Too much money and drama. Too many needs on this defense.
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Posted: 8/15/2014 9:30 AM

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I didn't read the article, but giving up and assets for a guy that will be a free agent and will require a huge contract is not a good idea.

In the NFL good teams either use cap space on free agents or use low cost draft picks to manage the salary cap.  You can't give up picks AND cap space if you want to be a good team.
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Posted: 8/15/2014 9:34 AM

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LeeBlair14 wrote: that crazy
A post count of 5 by "LeeBlair14".  This smells like a wanna be troll impersonating a legendary one.
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Posted: 8/15/2014 9:47 AM

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ChoppinBroccoli wrote: There ARE Suh-to-the-Cowboys trade rumors?  I've never heard it discussed except for people spitballing it on this board.  Good player.  Horrible person.  Exorbitant contract that would probably prevent us from re-signing Dez or really doing much of anything in free agency for years to come.  If Jerry were to even entertain this notion, he'd better be convinced he could do it in a way that wouldn't kill our cap for the next decade.

i'd have to look at it and explore it - what doesn't work out in one team might go surprisingly well with another.
Some ranchers did not even want DEZ here because of the supposedly " drama"  baggage he came with.
Jerry and Stephen aren't stupid when it comes to managing the cap. They will get the best they can afford without jeopardizing the future. They seem to have done a good job of it thus far. Suh wouldn't be any different.

Some just may not like Suh as a person with a history of being a very vioatile player. But like I said the surrounding of the next team could be completely different, and you don't think someone like Marinelli can't get to Suh ? 

Suh is  young, quick, explosive, has a  ferocious tenacity and extraordinary talent would idea for a weak defense like this - and pair him up with a Melton (should he completely come back to his previous form) in the middle and you're set with 2 young, explosive DTs in your middle for years to come.

The only question and concern I would have is how much would the Lions be asking to give him up in a trade ? How much would YOU be willing to give up for a guy like Suh ?

I haven't read the article and don't know his free agency status for next year. But either way it's gonna to likely take a pretty penny to get Suh a big contract whether trade or free agency, though i'd much rather go pure free agency signing to than double it with high trade picks AND a juicy contract.

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Posted: 8/15/2014 9:51 AM

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Suh and Melton would be lethal on the inside, but so would Hatcher and Melton. It's a nice dream, but do we have the cap space to get and keep Suh long term?

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Posted: 8/15/2014 9:56 AM

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CowboysarebetterthanPC wrote: Suh and Melton would be lethal on the inside, but so would Hatcher and Melton. It's a nice dream, but do we have the cap space to get and keep Suh long term?

DIfference is Suh is younger and a more invested long term than Hatcher.
And like I tend to say every year, the Joneses know the cap and manage to work very well ,so cap issue
would be the least of my concerns in regards to getting Suh on board.
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Posted: 8/15/2014 10:04 AM

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This could be waaay off he's saying here .......... a new contract in 13 million per year range and 2 round pick.

Lions made a mess of Suh contract; immediate trade now best option

The Lions have a big decision on their hands regarding star defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh. Suh carries a $22.4 million salary cap charge in 2014 and his contract will become void in 2015, leaving the Lions with a huge cap hit and little else in return. 

Poor salary cap management and planning by the Lions front office has all but eliminated the possibility of signing Suh to a contract extension that makes sense for the team. The best option at this point is for the Lions to strongly consider trading Suh to the highest bidder before the preseason concludes. 

How the Lions got here

Suh represents one of the last remaining rookie contracts signed under the rules of the 2006 collective bargaining agreement. During the terms of the old CBA, agents and players had a great deal of leeway to ask for major contract concessions from the team. Suh’s contract would run for just five years with an expected value of $60 million and a maximum value of $68 million. A huge chunk of that, $40 million, was virtually guaranteed upon signing.

Because of the salary structures used in these rookie contracts, teams had to avoid modifying the contracts prior to a first extension.

The Lions, however, would proceed to make a disaster out of Suh’s contract, showing almost no thought of long-term planning. Suh’s contract would be reworked for salary cap relief in both 2012 and 2013, pushing salary cap charges further and further into the contract. To make matters worse, Suh’s deal contained a voidable contract year in 2015, which was simply used as a placeholder for salary cap charges. The charges in the voidable year will remain with the Lions whether or not Suh is on the team that season. 

Suh’s original contract would have called for a salary cap charge of $16.147 million in 2014 with just $3.472 million left in charges in the 2015 season. Following all of the restructuring, his cap charge grew to $22.4125 million in 2014 with $9.7375 million in charges still sitting in that voidable contract year. 

These decisions have compromised the Lions’ ability to negotiate a long-term extension with Suh at a reasonable compensation level and contract structure. Normally teams will threaten a player with a franchise tag when negotiating a contract, and under his prior contract structure, that figure would have been $19.226 million. While that number seems incredibly high, it would be less cash than he would receive in a contract extension and both sides would have reason to get a contract done. Now the cost of the franchise tag will be $26.745 million with a salary cap charge of $36.483 million. 

What would Suh cost

The current top of the market contract for a veteran 4-3 defensive tackle is held by Geno Atkinsof the Cincinnati Bengals. Atkins signed an extension in 2013 worth just under $10.7 million a season, well below Suh’s current contract figure. While Atkins does not have the reputation that Suh has for being a dominant force on the football field, in terms of basic production Atkins would be considered slightly superior to Suh. Here is a brief statistical comparison of Suh and Atkins over what would be the two years leading up to a new contract:

Suh’s agents will focus on the $12.2 million-a-year contract signed in 2011 by Ravens tackle/endHaloti Ngata. Ngata’s contributions to the Ravens never showed up on a stat sheet and his contract was largely based upon his perceived talent level and reputation for making those around him better. Considering the salary cap has risen by 11 percent since that time, we can probably assume that Suh would be looking for a contract worth $13.5 million a season.

Ndamukong Suh (AP Photo)

The Atkins and Ngata contracts also differ greatly in the way they were structured, and Suh is in a position to demand the Lions use something closer to the Ngata structure. Ngata received $35 million in prorated bonus money, compared to just $15 million for Atkins. Ngata’s bonuses virtually guarantee the first four years of his contract, while Atkins only has the same protection for two years. The cash flows of the contracts illustrate the massive differences in real commitments the teams made to the players.

Why the Lions should not extend Suh

When Ngata was at his peak, the Ravens were one of the top defensive units in the NFL. The Bengals have been that with Atkins. In Suh’s four years in the NFL, the Lions have ranked on average 21st in points allowed and 17th in sacks. Suh may make a big difference on a team with an already solid defense in place, but on the Lions, he has yet to be a difference-maker in terms of team production and there is little reason to think that will change over the next two years. Teams do not compromise their salary structure for a non-difference making player. 

There is almost no contract structure that the Lions can utilize to create a favorable situation with Suh. Other teams can use a more modern approach of roster bonuses combined with signing bonuses, but the Lions would likely be locked into a contract containing somewhere in the ballpark of a $30 million signing bonus and two other option bonuses. Such a contract would look like this:

 

Detroit won’t get better by locking into Suh at these figures. It should not be an option they even consider.

Trading Suh

Moving on from Suh would be the best move the team could make. They would save $12.675 million in cap room in 2014, money that can be rolled over into future seasons to help them cope with the contracts they signed with Calvin Johnson and Matthew Stafford. They would likely receive at least a second- round draft pick in a trade, a pick that they could use in 2015. 

That is a far better option than the alternative of letting an unhappy Suh play out his contract and sign with a better team in 2015. In this scenario, the Lions would need to rework other players’ contracts to be cap compliant in the 2014 regular season, thus making their future cap prospects worse. At best, they would receive a compensatory pick following the third round of the 2016 draft. 

Unless Suh is the key to a deep playoff run in 2014, keeping him in Detroit this season offers no long-term benefit to the health of the franchise. Its not an easy decision, but it is one the Detroit Lions should make.

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Posted: 8/15/2014 10:06 AM

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No thanks. Just draft Jameis with the 1st overall pick in 2015.
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Posted: 8/15/2014 10:18 AM

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Matt Millen back in Detroit?? Suh for Romo straight up cheers.gif

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Posted: 8/15/2014 10:19 AM

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quickCC wrote:
CowboysarebetterthanPC wrote: Suh and Melton would be lethal on the inside, but so would Hatcher and Melton. It's a nice dream, but do we have the cap space to get and keep Suh long term?

DIfference is Suh is younger and a more invested long term than Hatcher.
And like I tend to say every year, the Joneses know the cap and manage to work very well ,so cap issue
would be the least of my concerns in regards to getting Suh on board.
             If there's any truth to this, I'm guessing Jerry realize this D need leadership. So it we can get him for any pick other a 1st AND sign him to contract that will not threaten our future cap, I'm a 100% in. We need him......
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Posted: 8/15/2014 10:47 AM

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For a second round pick, sign me up. This is going to be one the worst d-lines in Cowboys' history again.
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Posted: 8/15/2014 10:58 AM

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xdallas wrote: I didn't read the article, but giving up and assets for a guy that will be a free agent and will require a huge contract is not a good idea.

In the NFL good teams either use cap space on free agents or use low cost draft picks to manage the salary cap.  You can't give up picks AND cap space if you want to be a good team.
+1 this is nuts.  Plus the guy is a reject.  Have we learned nothing from the Roy Williams debacle?

If Romo could throw a football like I hit a golf ball we would never lose.

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Posted: 8/15/2014 11:57 AM

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I've believed for quite a long time that this defense needs at least one player that comes with a mean streak and some nastiness. Suh draws some boneheaded penalties here and there; but, the guy is a major presence up front. Who on this defense now brings that same kind of attitude? Maybe that same attitude could influence the rest of this team's defense and be a positive. The Cowboys have enough choir boys on their roster. The defense needs a change in identity.
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Posted: 8/15/2014 12:28 PM

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Suh next to Melton gives me morning wood! But then again so does Kate Upton, so......
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