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A bit worried about Romo. Should Jerry have drafted Manziel?

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Posted: 8/6/2014 3:05 AM

A bit worried about Romo. Should Jerry have drafted Manziel? 


Is Tony Romo's deep ball affected by back surgery?

  • By Mike Coppinger
  • NFL.com
  • Published: Aug. 5, 2014 at 10:27 p.m.
  • Updated: Aug. 5, 2014 at 10:40 p.m.

Following two surgical procedures in as many years, Tony Romo admitted that he'll "never" feel like his old self again.

The Dallas Cowboys signal-caller will sit out Thursday's preseason game as a precaution, but he's been practicing. Jerry Jones swears Romo is already back to 100 percent, but longtime quarterbacks coach Wade Wilson has a different take.

"It's been OK. I think the deeper the ball goes down the field, it's a little bit more inconsistent," Wilson said Tuesday, per the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. "He's thrown all the intermediates -- the fours and the seven routes and the deep outs -- have been fine. It's just the nine routes and the deep posts. Those things have been a little inconsistent. I think that's all due to his back."

A weakened deep ball is bad news for Dallas' group of speedy wideouts, chiefly Dez Bryant. Last season, Romo passed for a career-low 7.2 yards per attempt. After yet another back surgery, it's fair to wonder if those numbers will take another tumble. Romo took Tuesday off, and will have four consecutive days of rest before his next practice as he works his way back from a herniated disk.

"He can get the ball down the field," said Wilson. "That's not an issue. As camp goes on, he'll just get nothing but stronger and more confident in his throws."

"Hopefully with four days of complete rehab, he can come back on Saturday and start to look like his old self completely."

With Brandon Weeden waiting in the wings, Big D had better hope Romo returns to form.

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AKRON, Ohio -- Tiger Woods hurt his back during the final round of the WGC-Bridgestone Invitational on Sunday and withdrew after hitting his tee shot on the ninth hole.

Woods was in visible pain trying to pick up his tee and later at his car in the parking lot, where in brief remarks he said he "jarred it" when he jumped into a fairway bunker on the second hole after hitting a shot from an awkward stance.

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The 14-time major winner was in distress at his car as he attempted to take off his golf shoes and change into tennis shoes. He could barely stand, bracing himself at the back of the vehicle, unable to tie his shoes.

"It happened on the second hole when I hit my second shot, I fell back into the bunker," Woods said. "I just jarred it, and it's been spasming ever since."

The stance outside of the bunker was an awkward one, as he basically swung off his right leg -- the ball too close to the bunker to take a regular stance. He fell back into the steep bunker and then ran to the bottom, and while he didn't show much discomfort at the time, his caddie, Joe LaCava, said Woods was hurting the rest of the way.

"He did a good job of masking it," LaCava said.

Woods hit several poor shots at the fifth, sixth and seventh holes, playing them in 3 over. He parred the 8th, then hit a 315-yard drive at the ninth but could barely bend over to pick up his tee. He then summoned a golf cart and had difficulty sitting in it.

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AP Photo/Mark Duncan Tiger Woods withdrew from the WGC-Bridgestone after his "whole" lower back began hurting.

Woods had surgery on March 31 to alleviate a pinched nerve in his back following just four tournaments in 2014. He withdrew from the Honda Classic during the final round and then played the WGC-Cadillac Championship the next week, shooting a third-round 66 but finding himself in distress during a final-round 78.

According to Woods' agent, Mark Steinberg, Woods is "back in Florida, [for] evaluation and then treatment."

Playing partner Bubba Watson didn't see Woods hit his shot on the second hole but knew something was amiss as he played poorly over the rest of the front nine.

"He hit some shots that we're not used to seeing Tiger hit, even when he's coming back from an injury like this," Watson said. "We don't see shots like that.

"So obviously, something was bothering him, and so you could kind of tell something was going on, and then when he hit the shot [on the ninth hole], hit the draw, he probably wasn't trying to play a draw on 9, and when he came over it like that, his back probably tightened up and caused the draw.

"Again, like I told him when I shook his hand, I said, 'I'm praying for you. Hope everything turns out good. Hope to see you next week.'"

In several interviews since the surgery, Woods said that the pain he felt in his back prior to the surgery left him wondering about his future in golf.

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"I couldn't get out of bed," he said.

That pain went away following the surgery called a microdiscectomy, Woods said, and he had reported no issues with his back until Sunday.

Woods returned earlier than expected in June at the Quicken Loans National at Congressional Country Club, where he missed the cut. After an opening-round 69 at the Open Championship, Woods faltered and finished 69th, his worst 72-hole finish in a major as a pro.

This was his third tournament back on a Firestone Country Club course where he has won eight times. He opened the tournament with a 68 but got progressively worse and was 3-over par for his round when he withdrew Sunday.

"It's just the whole lower back, I don't know what happened," he said.

Woods' status for the PGA Championship this week in Louisville, in which he is scheduled to play, is unclear.

"I don't know," he said. "Just trying to get out of here."

Phil Mickelson, who is scheduled to play with Woods in the first two rounds of the PGA Championship, saw Woods struggling on the ninth hole while he was playing the 11th.

"It didn't look good," Mickelson said. "It looked like he was really in pain. I hope he's OK. I mean, I hope he's able to play next week. I hope it's a muscle and nothing serious because I'm really looking forward to playing with him. We rarely get paired together. If we do, it's been early Saturday.

"So it's nice to be paired together and have a couple of rounds and I hope he's able to play it. As much as I love playing with him, playing against him, trying to beat him, it's we all want him in the field. We all want him back. I just hope he's OK."



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Posted: 8/6/2014 3:11 AM

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I hope this is just a matter of getting more strength and I'm not saying the sky is falling. But I have a bad bad feeling that if Romo takes a good shot or several good shots to that back, then it's trouble again. Without a doubt, Jerry must draft a QB high next season. I'm not saying Dallas should have drafted Johnny Manziel but I can see why Jerry almost did. His value to the team could have been more valuable than Martin. Especially if Romo ends up having problems. And if Romo does have problems and can't play a major part of the season due to injury again, then Dallas is screwed. They are drafting top ten easy.  Maybe top 5.  Manziel may be a bit of a punk and immature but that will eventually subside.    I think the kid will be a pretty good QB in the NFL.

Like I said.  This isn't a "chicken little" thread but I'm just concerned.

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Posted: 8/6/2014 5:14 AM

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I think everyone is concerned. The first time he is sacked we all will be on the end of our couches waiting for him to get up. Because of his injuries, I have no doubt that the run game and screen game will be a huge part of the offense.
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Posted: 8/6/2014 6:56 AM

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1. Worried about Romo? Understandable.
2. Drafted Manziel? Uh, he's far from a sure thing.
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Posted: 8/6/2014 7:08 AM

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If things get real bad....Tim Tebow is standing by.
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Posted: 8/6/2014 7:38 AM

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We'll see.........so far there's quite a bit inconsistency regarding Romo back. First he's 100% and could play a game imed. He's cutting back on the number practice days and concern about his long ball. As mentioned  above, the real test will be how he or his back response after a couple sacks and an entire regular season game.

BTW.......I still would not have drafted Manziel. You guys keep talking about grooming the next QB. Those days are pretty much over. IMO Dallas will draft Romo's replacement the season after he's no longer on this team.

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Posted: 8/6/2014 8:02 AM

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Hawkeye760 wrote:
I still would not have drafted Manziel. You guys keep talking about grooming the next QB. Those days are pretty much over. IMO Dallas will draft Romo's replacement the season after he's no longer on this team.


I agree on Manziel, but you really can't consider Romo's situation as normal for considering when to draft a QB. It's not like we're wondering if Romo is going to retire. Sometimes it's better to be proactive rather than reactive.....

"And on the 9th day, God took all the left over garbage and created the Washington Redskins".....
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Posted: 8/6/2014 8:12 AM

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KSadler1 wrote:
Hawkeye760 wrote:
I still would not have drafted Manziel. You guys keep talking about grooming the next QB. Those days are pretty much over. IMO Dallas will draft Romo's replacement the season after he's no longer on this team.


I agree on Manziel, but you really can't consider Romo's situation as normal for considering when to draft a QB. It's not like we're wondering if Romo is going to retire. Sometimes it's better to be proactive rather than reactive.....
             Oh I agree it would be nice to have Romo's replacement on the team when he retires. But that's the problem because as now we have no ideal many more years he's playing. If you use his contract, we're talking another 3 years and I can't see drafting and letting his replace sit on the bench for amount of time and within two years have to give him his first big contract.
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Posted: 8/6/2014 8:24 AM

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Man stop listening to these hacks and them trying to generate headlines. Wilson said he agrees Romo is 100%, he says Romo he thinks Romo is tentative throwing the ball as in it's mental, not Physical.

Wade Wilson, who has monitored Romo as closely as anybody over the past nine years as the team's quarterbacks coach, agrees with that overall assessment, save for one exception.

Wilson said Romo has had problems throwing the deep ball since coming back to practice following back surgery.

"It’s been OK. I think the deeper the ball goes down the field, it’s a little bit more inconsistent," Wilson said. "He’s thrown all the intermediates --- the fours and the seven routes and the deep outs – have been fine. It’s just the nine routes and the deep posts. Those things have been a little inconsistent. I think that’s all due to his back."

Wilson believes Romo is not cutting it loose completely and is a little tentative when it comes to the deep ball. But Wilson is not overly concerned, partly because the Cowboys don't feature the go-route in the game plan as much anymore.

"With (wide receiver) Dez (Bryant), it’s been throwing more back shoulders," Wilson said. "Teams are playing so high on our receivers that we throw back shoulders than actual take-off nines."

Read more here: www.star-telegram.com/2014/08/...1#storylink=cpy




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I hope this is just a matter of getting more strength and I'm not saying the sky is falling. But I have a bad bad feeling that if Romo takes a good shot or several good shots to that back, then it's trouble again. Without a doubt, Jerry must draft a QB high next season. I'm not saying Dallas should have drafted Johnny Manziel but I can see why Jerry almost did. His value to the team could have been more valuable than Martin. Especially if Romo ends up having problems. And if Romo does have problems and can't play a major part of the season due to injury again, then Dallas is screwed. They are drafting top ten easy.  Maybe top 5.  Manziel may be a bit of a punk and immature but that will eventually subside.    I think the kid will be a pretty good QB in the NFL.

Like I said.  This isn't a "chicken little" thread but I'm just concerned.

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Posted: 8/6/2014 8:26 AM

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OXNARD, Calif. — According to Tony Romo and the Dallas Cowboys front office brass, the veteran is 100 percent recovered from December back surgery.

The Cowboys report no problems with his throwing in practice and say his frequent days off in training camp and the decision to sit out Thursday's preseason opener against the San Diego Chargers have more to do with precaution than concern about his back.

Wade Wilson, who has monitored Romo as closely as anybody over the past nine years as the team's quarterbacks coach, agrees with that overall assessment, save for one exception.

Wilson said Romo has had problems throwing the deep ball since coming back to practice following back surgery.

"It’s been OK. I think the deeper the ball goes down the field, it’s a little bit more inconsistent," Wilson said. "He’s thrown all the intermediates --- the fours and the seven routes and the deep outs – have been fine. It’s just the nine routes and the deep posts. Those things have been a little inconsistent. I think that’s all due to his back."

Wilson believes Romo is not cutting it loose completely and is a little tentative when it comes to the deep ball. But Wilson is not overly concerned, partly because the Cowboys don't feature the go-route in the game plan as much anymore.

"With (wide receiver) Dez (Bryant), it’s been throwing more back shoulders," Wilson said. "Teams are playing so high on our receivers that we throw back shoulders than actual take-off nines."

That certainly was the case last year when Romo had a career-low 7.2 yards per attempt. It was also a season that followed off-season back surgery.

A second one in as many years seemingly would continue the downward trend.

Wilson, however, doesn't believe that will be the case. He says Romo will get better at throwing the deep ball with more rehab and as he gets more comfortable.

"He can get the ball down the field," Wilson said. "That’s not an issue. As camp goes on, he’ll just get nothing but stronger and more confident in his throws."

Wilson believes that could happen at soon as Saturday, considering that Romo took Tuesday off and won't play Thursday. Official team off days on Wednesday and Friday give Romo four consecutive days off before the next practice.

"Hopefully with four days of complete rehab, he can come back on Saturday and start to look like his old self completely," Wilson said.

Read more here: www.star-telegram.com/2014/08/...1#storylink=cpy
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Posted: 8/6/2014 8:29 AM

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Hawkeye760 wrote: We'll see.........so far there's quite a bit inconsistency regarding Romo back. First he's 100% and could play a game imed. He's cutting back on the number practice days and concern about his long ball. As mentioned  above, the real test will be how he or his back response after a couple sacks and an entire regular season game.

BTW.......I still would not have drafted Manziel. You guys keep talking about grooming the next QB. Those days are pretty much over. IMO Dallas will draft Romo's replacement the season after he's no longer on this team.

This is not at a point where Dallas has that luxury though.

I have zero doubt in my mind Romo is gone within three years, maybe even two. 

The other reason it is better to be proactive than reactive is who on earth wants to go into a draft desperate for a QB unless you a choice in the top three picks?

Anyone else want this organization desperate for a QB overdrafting a player not worthy of the pick?

Look at the teams that have been in that position over the years...they reach.  I know I do not want to suffer through a Blaine Gabbert or Christian Ponder because we absolutely had to draft one, that year, because we waited until Romo was gone.

Take one when you have time, not when you are desperate.
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Posted: 8/6/2014 8:42 AM

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So who is this must grab Qb? How do we know Weeden can't be that stop gap guy? How do we know they won't grab one next draft to develop? Any qb we drafted last year would've been ready for a new deal if Romo gives us 3 years, why would we want to be in that kind of bind? Look at Washington, if Rg3 doesn't light it up or show major improvement, do they pay him big money? Or start over?


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Hawkeye760 wrote: We'll see.........so far there's quite a bit inconsistency regarding Romo back. First he's 100% and could play a game imed. He's cutting back on the number practice days and concern about his long ball. As mentioned  above, the real test will be how he or his back response after a couple sacks and an entire regular season game.

BTW.......I still would not have drafted Manziel. You guys keep talking about grooming the next QB. Those days are pretty much over. IMO Dallas will draft Romo's replacement the season after he's no longer on this team.

This is not at a point where Dallas has that luxury though.

I have zero doubt in my mind Romo is gone within three years, maybe even two. 

The other reason it is better to be proactive than reactive is who on earth wants to go into a draft desperate for a QB unless you a choice in the top three picks?

Anyone else want this organization desperate for a QB overdrafting a player not worthy of the pick?

Look at the teams that have been in that position over the years...they reach.  I know I do not want to suffer through a Blaine Gabbert or Christian Ponder because we absolutely had to draft one, that year, because we waited until Romo was gone.

Take one when you have time, not when you are desperate.

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Posted: 8/6/2014 8:45 AM

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dre11 wrote: So who is this must grab Qb? How do we know Weeden can't be that stop gap guy? How do we know they won't grab one next draft to develop? Any qb we drafted last year would've been ready for a new deal if Romo gives us 3 years, why would we want to be in that kind of bind? Look at Washington, if Rg3 doesn't light it up or show major improvement, do they pay him big money? Or start over?


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Hawkeye760 wrote: We'll see.........so far there's quite a bit inconsistency regarding Romo back. First he's 100% and could play a game imed. He's cutting back on the number practice days and concern about his long ball. As mentioned  above, the real test will be how he or his back response after a couple sacks and an entire regular season game.

BTW.......I still would not have drafted Manziel. You guys keep talking about grooming the next QB. Those days are pretty much over. IMO Dallas will draft Romo's replacement the season after he's no longer on this team.

This is not at a point where Dallas has that luxury though.

I have zero doubt in my mind Romo is gone within three years, maybe even two. 

The other reason it is better to be proactive than reactive is who on earth wants to go into a draft desperate for a QB unless you a choice in the top three picks?

Anyone else want this organization desperate for a QB overdrafting a player not worthy of the pick?

Look at the teams that have been in that position over the years...they reach.  I know I do not want to suffer through a Blaine Gabbert or Christian Ponder because we absolutely had to draft one, that year, because we waited until Romo was gone.

Take one when you have time, not when you are desperate.

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Weeden...LOL

The whole point I was making is that no, I don't think Romo gives the Cowboys three more years.

If this past draft was too early, fine.  But it needs to be at the forefront next year at the bare minimum.
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Posted: 8/6/2014 8:51 AM

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boozeman wrote:
Hawkeye760 wrote: We'll see.........so far there's quite a bit inconsistency regarding Romo back. First he's 100% and could play a game imed. He's cutting back on the number practice days and concern about his long ball. As mentioned  above, the real test will be how he or his back response after a couple sacks and an entire regular season game.

BTW.......I still would not have drafted Manziel. You guys keep talking about grooming the next QB. Those days are pretty much over. IMO Dallas will draft Romo's replacement the season after he's no longer on this team.

This is not at a point where Dallas has that luxury though.

I have zero doubt in my mind Romo is gone within three years, maybe even two. 

The other reason it is better to be proactive than reactive is who on earth wants to go into a draft desperate for a QB unless you a choice in the top three picks?

Anyone else want this organization desperate for a QB overdrafting a player not worthy of the pick?

Look at the teams that have been in that position over the years...they reach.  I know I do not want to suffer through a Blaine Gabbert or Christian Ponder because we absolutely had to draft one, that year, because we waited until Romo was gone.

Take one when you have time, not when you are desperate.
This past draft was all crystal ball stuff.  Draft Manziel and Romo goes down, Jerry's a genius.  Draft Manziel and Romo has 3 good years, Jerry's an idiot.  Likewise, draft Martin and Romo goes down, Jerry's an idiot.  Romo plays well 3 years, he's a genius.  I like the Martin gamble, but that is just what it was, a gamble.   Maybe Jerry is more shrewd than we think.  Romo's back survives, the team moves forward.  Romo's back goes out, Dallas is in a position to draft a high round QB next draft.  Win-win.
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Posted: 8/6/2014 8:53 AM

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I wasn't aware Romo HAD a "deep ball".



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Posted: 8/6/2014 8:56 AM

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This is NOT what I was hoping to hear from our QB Coach this morning. All we can do is hope we have the same Romo come September.

"Grand.  There's a word I really hate.  It's a phony.  I could puke every time I hear it."

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dre11 wrote: So who is this must grab Qb? How do we know Weeden can't be that stop gap guy? How do we know they won't grab one next draft to develop? Any qb we drafted last year would've been ready for a new deal if Romo gives us 3 years, why would we want to be in that kind of bind? Look at Washington, if Rg3 doesn't light it up or show major improvement, do they pay him big money? Or start over?


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Hawkeye760 wrote: We'll see.........so far there's quite a bit inconsistency regarding Romo back. First he's 100% and could play a game imed. He's cutting back on the number practice days and concern about his long ball. As mentioned  above, the real test will be how he or his back response after a couple sacks and an entire regular season game.

BTW.......I still would not have drafted Manziel. You guys keep talking about grooming the next QB. Those days are pretty much over. IMO Dallas will draft Romo's replacement the season after he's no longer on this team.

This is not at a point where Dallas has that luxury though.

I have zero doubt in my mind Romo is gone within three years, maybe even two. 

The other reason it is better to be proactive than reactive is who on earth wants to go into a draft desperate for a QB unless you a choice in the top three picks?

Anyone else want this organization desperate for a QB overdrafting a player not worthy of the pick?

Look at the teams that have been in that position over the years...they reach.  I know I do not want to suffer through a Blaine Gabbert or Christian Ponder because we absolutely had to draft one, that year, because we waited until Romo was gone.

Take one when you have time, not when you are desperate.

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             +1 ......I would rather buy time with either my back up or stop gap guy than reach for a QB in the immed draft following Romo's exit. If this mean we win only 2-4 games then so be it. At least we'll be looking at top five, maybe three pick. But the biggest challenge to being proactive and  draft a guy NOW,  is projecting the years Romo will play. That's hard.......especially when you consider the cap hit we'll take if we don;t get least another 2-3 years playing time from him. Hell for that reason alone, I can Jerry trying to win a 75% Romo if he have to before moving on.
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Posted: 8/6/2014 9:02 AM

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So one coach says one slightly critical thing about Romo, and then says he'll be fine soon, and all of a sudden the solution is that we should have drafted the next big bust-in-waiting?  I don't care if we were starting Vinny Testaverde on a motorized scooter.  I STILL wouldn't have drafted Manziel.  A midget with terrible throwing mechanics who likes to run around more than he likes to pass will never be the solution to anything, no matter how highly draftniks rate him.

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MrMiyamoto17 wrote: This is NOT what I was hoping to hear from our QB Coach this morning. All we can do is hope we have the same Romo come September.

             Funny.........where is that gag order when you need it. That all the media outlets are talking about now, which is fine but this a stink ( trouble with his deep ball ) that attach to Romo until he prove otherwise. 

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Exactly, and he even said he thinks he's 100% just a little tentative. That somehow turned into oh my gosh get a Qb in here now.


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So one coach says one slightly critical thing about Romo, and then says he'll be fine soon, and all of a sudden the solution is that we should have drafted the next big bust-in-waiting?  I don't care if we were starting Vinny Testaverde on a motorized scooter.  I STILL wouldn't have drafted Manziel.  A midget with terrible throwing mechanics who likes to run around more than he likes to pass will never be the solution to anything, no matter how highly draftniks rate him.

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