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Romo ranks higher than Aikman All-time

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Posted: 6/12/2014 1:36 PM

Romo ranks higher than Aikman All-time 


Per this list.  This should be fun.  

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas...o-rank-all-time
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Posted: 6/12/2014 1:55 PM

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http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas...o-rank-all-time

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Posted: 6/12/2014 2:33 PM

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Well, any list of the all-time greatest QBs in NFL history where Tony Romo sits one spot AHEAD of John Elway is one that I'm gonna take very, very seriously.

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Posted: 6/12/2014 3:00 PM

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This again?

No disrespect to Tony, his story is inspirational, but we are talking about a different era, a different philosophical structure. Troy was just as capable when it came to putting up numbers but he rarely had to, his backfield included the best RB in history.

Troy Aikman played his best I'm the biggest game. His rating improved at every playoff level, his conference championship level was close to 100 and his combined Super Bowl rating was 111.

Aikman's best season was the postseason, that's the way it is with the great ones, he had amazing poise at crunch time.

Don't forget, he suffered his first two years in this division against some really aggressive defenses. Romo didn't take a snap as a QB until his third year, that definitely affected both their ratings

Again, not taking anything away from Romo, he'll get his ring but we are comparing apples to oranges between him and Aikman.

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Posted: 6/12/2014 3:30 PM

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I don't agree with the list.  However, the methodology used to compile this list is pretty interesting and sophisticated.  It's not like some blogger just went with his opinion.  It's just so happens that using this very sophisticated formula that Romo ranks higher than Aikman.

http://www.footballperspective...-i-methodology/
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Posted: 6/12/2014 3:56 PM

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It really isn't that ridiculous.

It's why I hope to God he can get one.

He will jump higher with one win than any player ever had overnight.

He'll go from left off every top 100 QBs all time list to top 20 all time on every one. And probably would deserve to be higher.
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Posted: 6/12/2014 4:12 PM

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Instead of getting your panties in a wad trying to discredit it, why not just take it for what it is---a stat-driven (and stats only) ranking, irrespective of different eras that have to be factored in when doing a TRUE comparison.

In its limited context, there is nothing "false" about this list.
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Posted: 6/12/2014 4:59 PM

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AndrewDiceClay wrote: Well, any list of the all-time greatest QBs in NFL history where Tony Romo sits one spot AHEAD of John Elway is one that I'm gonna take very, very seriously.
pretty good point...
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Posted: 6/12/2014 5:11 PM

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AndrewDiceClay wrote: Well, any list of the all-time greatest QBs in NFL history where Tony Romo sits one spot AHEAD of John Elway is one that I'm gonna take very, very seriously.
Why is that? Is there something not fair about it?


John was drafted in what 1983? He did go to the SUper Bowl...but his first SB win was 1997 (iirc). 14 years later! His vitals for that SB?  Elway completing only 11 of 22 passes, throwing no TDs, but one interception,

John sht the bed a LOT! John is done and Romo stiall has a few years left. This isn't about how well your team does/did or if you won super bowls or not.

Now...I'm not disparaging John or his place in NFL history. If he never won a super bowl at all (Marino?) he was a great QB and good for the NFL. I judge Romo by the same token. Personally...I would indeed rate Elway ahead of ROmo...not by stats but by emotion and nostalgia.
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Posted: 6/12/2014 8:00 PM

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AndrewDiceClay wrote: Well, any list of the all-time greatest QBs in NFL history where Tony Romo sits one spot AHEAD of John Elway is one that I'm gonna take very, very seriously.
Elway suffered from the same criticisms as Romo until he got a running game and a defense. The truth is, Elway was a better player when he was being criticized than he was by the time he had a championship caliber team around him. 

None of these lists are worth taking seriously. They're just blah2blah2blah2
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Posted: 6/12/2014 8:29 PM

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actually you can pretty much separate the times starting in 1978 when they began to truly start to force the DBs to cover instead of mug the WRs. You look at the huge jump in numbers passing starting in 1979 and on and that is when the real modern era of passing began.

The changes in the last 5-7 years have just accelerated it.

It is not a coincidence that Roger set career highs in his last season as a player. And that only he and Otto Graham that played the majority of their careers in the old system were so highly ranked by QB rating. I think Ken Anderson is about the only other pure passing QB that started in the 70's that was ranked near Roger. Ken Anderson is a perfect example of a top QB who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time- in the Central Division of the AFC from the early 70's on. Frankly I think Ken Anderson might be the best example of Tony Romo in that era; never had a real great team and by the time he had a really team he was up against a better team and QB in Joe Montana and the 49rs. That SB was one of the most competitive ones of all time and it was very close.

Any QB that played the majority of his career from the early 80's on should be considered as part of the modern era; no surprise that virtually all the top rated by QB rating QBs of all time played in that era and beyond.

I am old enough to remember watching some of those games (the only time they called the DBs for things were against us in the SB versus the Steelers-no coincidence frankly)

If you remember Lester Hayes and his stickum on his arms just like some WRs- he was hard to catch doing his subtle mugging and shoving and so on.
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Posted: 6/12/2014 9:43 PM

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AndrewDiceClay wrote: Well, any list of the all-time greatest QBs in NFL history where Tony Romo sits one spot AHEAD of John Elway is one that I'm gonna take very, very seriously.
pretty good point...

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Steve Young might disagree but it's a good point.

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Posted: 6/13/2014 12:02 AM

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Roger Staubach led all quarterbacks in rating for 4 seasons, only Steve Young has done this more often.

In 1978 he led all QB's with an 84.9 rating.

Sidenote;

The following year they instituted the "in the grasp" rule for the first time. Prior to that DT's could practically pile drive a QB face first.

How many years has Tony Romo led all QB's in rating?

He has never been higher than 5th in a single season.

Troy Aikman was ranked 2nd once, and 3rd twice for a single season.

Again, apples and oranges.

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Posted: 6/13/2014 12:13 AM

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SteveTheCowboy wrote:
AndrewDiceClay wrote: Well, any list of the all-time greatest QBs in NFL history where Tony Romo sits one spot AHEAD of John Elway is one that I'm gonna take very, very seriously.
Why is that? Is there something not fair about it?


John was drafted in what 1983? He did go to the SUper Bowl...but his first SB win was 1997 (iirc). 14 years later! His vitals for that SB?  Elway completing only 11 of 22 passes, throwing no TDs, but one interception,

John sht the bed a LOT! John is done and Romo stiall has a few years left. This isn't about how well your team does/did or if you won super bowls or not.

Now...I'm not disparaging John or his place in NFL history. If he never won a super bowl at all (Marino?) he was a great QB and good for the NFL. I judge Romo by the same token. Personally...I would indeed rate Elway ahead of ROmo...not by stats but by emotion and nostalgia.
Don't get me wrong...I am no fan of Elway.  But he was dragging some pretty one dimensional teams to the AFCCG or the SB for quite a while before he won the last 2.  He was the sole reason Denver was competitive in those years.

     I am not looking to get in a Tony Romo debate.....but until he makes some runs in the playoffs---period. No defense let him down, no bad call, none of it--until he wins in the post season, he will never be anywhere on a list of all time QB's.  No matter what his stats are.
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Posted: 6/13/2014 12:25 AM

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any list that has steve young ahead of joe montana, is just a stat drie pile of shat
i am suprised jeff goeorge isnt in the list somewhere. or some how team wins validate the ability of the QB, which from what i am hearing on the board is BS
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Posted: 6/13/2014 12:44 AM

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Well it is what it is. Tony will get one or two and then I will wait to see what BS people come up with to disparage the guy. All Tony has done is play his heart out and leave it all out on the field. Roger was what he was, Aikman was what he was. Both played with TEAMS that were superior to their competition. Emmitt was the best in the game, Jimmy was the best in the game, Haley was the Beast of the nfl. Roger had The doomsday defense, Calvin hill Duane thomas and Tony Dorsett. Tony will get players around him lord willing.If this was a competition based on teams I could understand some of the BS trying to bring Tony down but you are what your Stats say you are and stats are a measurement of you as a player.Tony has put up the numbers he has put up. If those numbers land him ahead of elway or anybody else, it is what it is. Why can't people take it for what it is and leave it at That. After all it's just a measurement
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Posted: 6/13/2014 1:27 AM

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Technine wrote: any list that has steve young ahead of joe montana, is just a stat drie pile of shat
i am suprised jeff goeorge isnt in the list somewhere. or some how team wins validate the ability of the QB, which from what i am hearing on the board is BS
I agree Tech that it isn't the whole story.  There are QB's who've been great players but never had the talent around them......or not enough.  Fouts, Tarkenton, Marino and a few more.  All of these guys won lots of play off games though.  Fouts never had a defense....at all.
 
      Some QB's got rings/ playoff runs that a complete team helped them earn it....Dilfer, Flacco, Eli, Brad Johnson, and others.  Then there are the great QB's with great teams.  Aikmen, Young, Montana, Brady.  Then there is pretty good QB / really good team-- Russell Wilson, Terry Bradshaw, Jim Kelly

     Where does Tony fit in up there?  No idea.  He hasn't been in the playoffs enough to tell.  I know, i know--that begs the point.  But is there another QB you can name who is as much of a victim of bad teams as some say Tony Romo is?

      I don't like getting into the stat war because that doesn't tell the whole story either.  I think by stats, Tony is a top 5 all time QB.  I don't care how much you like the guy-- he isn't an all time top 5.  I agree he is underrated, but all time top 5 is not in the conversation.
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Posted: 6/13/2014 6:12 AM

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Super Tony is the man.  Strap yourselves in and get ready for another year of top shelf QB play that ends up falling just short of the playoffs.

If Romo could throw a football like I hit a golf ball we would never lose.

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Posted: 6/13/2014 7:44 AM

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SteveTheCowboy wrote:
AndrewDiceClay wrote: Well, any list of the all-time greatest QBs in NFL history where Tony Romo sits one spot AHEAD of John Elway is one that I'm gonna take very, very seriously.
Why is that? Is there something not fair about it?


John was drafted in what 1983? He did go to the SUper Bowl...but his first SB win was 1997 (iirc). 14 years later! His vitals for that SB?  Elway completing only 11 of 22 passes, throwing no TDs, but one interception,

John sht the bed a LOT! John is done and Romo stiall has a few years left. This isn't about how well your team does/did or if you won super bowls or not.

Now...I'm not disparaging John or his place in NFL history. If he never won a super bowl at all (Marino?) he was a great QB and good for the NFL. I judge Romo by the same token. Personally...I would indeed rate Elway ahead of ROmo...not by stats but by emotion and nostalgia.

Other than the fact that John Elway won FIVE AFC championship games and TWO Super Bowls & was a nine-time Pro Bowler & two-time NFL MVP... while Romo has won ONE playoff game?

C'mon, dude.  I love me my Romo.  Huge fan of the kid.  But to rank him ahead of JOHN F'N ELWAY is insane.

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Posted: 6/13/2014 8:20 AM

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AndrewDiceClay wrote:
SteveTheCowboy wrote:
AndrewDiceClay wrote: Well, any list of the all-time greatest QBs in NFL history where Tony Romo sits one spot AHEAD of John Elway is one that I'm gonna take very, very seriously.
Why is that? Is there something not fair about it?


John was drafted in what 1983? He did go to the SUper Bowl...but his first SB win was 1997 (iirc). 14 years later! His vitals for that SB?  Elway completing only 11 of 22 passes, throwing no TDs, but one interception,

John sht the bed a LOT! John is done and Romo stiall has a few years left. This isn't about how well your team does/did or if you won super bowls or not.

Now...I'm not disparaging John or his place in NFL history. If he never won a super bowl at all (Marino?) he was a great QB and good for the NFL. I judge Romo by the same token. Personally...I would indeed rate Elway ahead of ROmo...not by stats but by emotion and nostalgia.

Other than the fact that John Elway won FIVE AFC championship games and TWO Super Bowls & was a nine-time Pro Bowler & two-time NFL MVP... while Romo has won ONE playoff game?

C'mon, dude.  I love me my Romo.  Huge fan of the kid.  But to rank him ahead of JOHN F'N ELWAY is insane.
I see...so you do rank players by playoffs wins and super bowls. That's it?


That 1st super bowl he "won"? 11 completed passes, no TD's 1 int.

I realize that is just one game...ONLY the Super Bowl. But that is an average (actually pretty far below)  QB "winning" the Super Bowl.
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