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CAMP PERFORMANCES - READ EM AND WEAP MMQs

Posted: 6/12/2014 8:10 AM

CAMP PERFORMANCES - READ EM AND WEAP MMQs 


On Talkin' Cowboys, Spagnola, Broaddus and Cahill hand out OTA awards - DallasCowboys.com
In yesterday's show, the three guys handed out their OTA awards in different categories, which I've roughly summarized in the table below:

AwardSpagnolaBroaddusCahill
Offensive Standout:Dez Bryant. Picked up where he left off last year, looks like he's learned to play the slot. Great get-off.Brandon Weeden. Everything seems to be very positive. There's a comfort-level with Weeden. There's something there with this guy.Brandon Weeden. For a third quarterback, you're simply not going to get the quality of work Weeden delivered out there. Didn't miss a beat.
Defensive StandoutTerrell McClain. Good movement, nice burst, quickness. Signed him on second day of free agency, they had a plan.DeMarcus Lawrence. Has taken every snap with the first team. Sometimes Tyron Smith says "Enough, young man," but he's getting better very day.
Jakar Hamilton. Coaches like the guy a lot.
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Most improvedTerrance Williams. Playing with more confidence.Gavin Escobar. Confidence. Looks physically different, they are doing a lot more with him.- -
Guy to keep an eye on heading into camp/mini-campDeVonte Holloman.Lance Dunbar.Tyler Patmon. Diamond in the rough.
Best rookieZack Martin. Hard to evaluate at this stage, but looks good.DeMarcus Lawrence. Has been winning better than 50/50 against Smith/Parnell.
Anthony Hitchens: When Lee went out, he came in and didn't miss a beat. Never really heard Andy Hitchens being corrected or shouted at by the coaches.
Ben Gardner. Like what he did with his hands
Coach that's going to make a differenceMatt Eberflus. Huge impact if he can find three guys to make a difference.Rod Marinelli. Leon Lett has also done a nice job.Mike Pope. "Yoda-like," he knows it all.
Biggest disappointmentNot having Orton here. Haven't seen Jeremy Mincey do anything.Injuries. Hate that guys are hurt and don't get to practice. Injury has robbed me from evaluating players.- -

We'll take their awards under advisement and consider them not as awards but as preliminary nominations that we'll need to verify. So, do you agree with their choices, or would you pick somebody else?

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Posted: 6/12/2014 8:46 AM

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Based on everything I've read from the OTAs, it certainly looks at this point like Tyler Patmon is in prime position to steal B.W. Webb's roster spot.  Patmon seems to be tearing it up while Webb is continuing to struggle.  I'm also loving the unanimous praise for Terrell McClain.  If we found a player in McClain, it would be a huge lift for our defense.

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Posted: 6/12/2014 9:07 AM

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Nice work on chart.........second time I've heard about T Williams and Escobar looking completely different from last year.  Also I've said once and will say it again.......Orton ass should be 3rd on the depth chart but I have to admit, I was thinking more for punishment but hell, look like Weeden may put him there anyway. I know this, I wouldn't waste ONE snap on him.
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Posted: 6/12/2014 9:18 AM

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I've got to see it in game action from Weeden to ever start believing. In Cleveland, he was awful. Some guys are good players in shorts only.
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Posted: 6/12/2014 9:22 AM

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Hawkeye760 wrote: Nice work on chart.........second time I've heard about T Williams and Escobar looking completely different from last year.  Also I've said once and will say it again.......Orton ass should be 3rd on the depth chart but I have to admit, I was thinking more for punishment but hell, look like Weeden may put him there anyway. I know this, I wouldn't waste ONE snap on him.
honestly, at this point, the best thing that could happen to us is if he just retires and we get the money back
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Posted: 6/12/2014 9:27 AM

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ranch10 wrote: I've got to see it in game action from Weeden to ever start believing. In Cleveland, he was awful. Some guys are good players in shorts only.
             That's fair, coz we've certainly seen that before. But if he show at least half of what they are reporting in live games, we could have at a min, a guy that can buy us some serious transitional time between Romo and the next QB.
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Posted: 6/12/2014 9:38 AM

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Hawkeye760 wrote:
ranch10 wrote: I've got to see it in game action from Weeden to ever start believing. In Cleveland, he was awful. Some guys are good players in shorts only.
             That's fair, coz we've certainly seen that before. But if he show at least half of what they are reporting in live games, we could have at a min, a guy that can buy us some serious transitional time between Romo and the next QB.

[quote]A guy that can buy us some serious transitional time[quote]

Agree Hawk....anything better would be iceing on the cake.

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Posted: 6/12/2014 10:37 AM

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ranch10 wrote: I've got to see it in game action from Weeden to ever start believing. In Cleveland, he was awful. Some guys are good players in shorts only.
Weeden has always been much better operating out of the shotgun than in the pro style.  that was the biggest concern for him coming out of college, but Cleveland drafted him anyway and threw him into the pro style, which he wasn't familiar with.  he had a 92 mph fastball as a pitcher, so he's got the ability to stretch the field if given the time.  his knock has always been that he lacks mobility to avoid the rush.  the shotgun lets him see the defense a bit quicker so that he can have more time to respond to that rush.
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Posted: 6/12/2014 10:47 AM

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ranch10 wrote: I've got to see it in game action from Weeden to ever start believing. In Cleveland, he was awful. Some guys are good players in shorts only.
I think coaches and some media know what they are talking about.

Me being a long time  guitar player, I wouldn't ask you to play a real song- but I would ask you to play a simple scale and I could immediately tell if you were a good musician/guitar player. Not that hard to tell if you know what you are doing or not- even in practice mode of playing a scale.

Agree Sundays can be different, but how about we give him the benefit of the doubt, based on comments by people that know. If it's positive outlook...let's be positive!
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Posted: 6/12/2014 10:53 AM

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so are these like participatory awards for grade schools?
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Posted: 6/12/2014 2:01 PM

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so are these like participatory awards for grade schools?

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No. They're just a couple of guys opinions on who they think have looked good in OTA's. Which is nice info to have for those of us unnamed to attend these workouts.
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Posted: 6/12/2014 3:05 PM

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Love the idea of having a guy like Patmon come on with us.


Glad to see Escobar and Williams continuing to improve.


I hope we never see Weeden but good that he's looking great.


Hamilton needs to produce and be a special teams stud. He can take over for Church in a year or two but we need him to stick on the roster.


Demarcus Lawrence praise makes me happy.


I loved the Ben Gardner pick when it happened. I'm glad he's making me seem smart. excited


I hated the Hitchens pick and am glad it looks like I'm going to have to eat some crow about it.
"I'll kill a snitch. I'm not saying I have...I'm not saying I haven't..."  - Peyton Manning
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Posted: 6/13/2014 12:05 AM

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I always look at OTA's this way.  If they really shine in shorts, it's a good sign. Doesn't mean they can do just as well in the regular season, but it's still a positive sign.  But if they struggle in OTA's like Webb appears to be doing, chances of them doing well later on are pretty dim.  So, unfortunately a bad performance is a better predictor of the future than a good performance.
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Posted: 6/13/2014 7:31 AM

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Army, you and Hawkeye are the MVPs (most valuable posters) of the offseason...

According to Garrett's presser, they install much of their schemes during OTAs.  The performances of guys in shorts may therefore reflect those that are more quickly picking up the scheme rather than any prediction of how they'll perform with pads on.  In that vein, I think it says a lot that reports are Webb is still not looking comfortable.
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Posted: 6/13/2014 8:18 AM

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thanks Tibs
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Posted: 6/13/2014 11:05 AM

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ChoppinBroccoli wrote: Based on everything I've read from the OTAs, it certainly looks at this point like Tyler Patmon is in prime position to steal B.W. Webb's roster spot.  Patmon seems to be tearing it up while Webb is continuing to struggle.  I'm also loving the unanimous praise for Terrell McClain.  If we found a player in McClain, it would be a huge lift for our defense.

Should he need extensive development than expected, would BW Webb be eligible for the practice squad this year ?
Seems like he was active on the roster and played in a few games last year - wouldn't that eliminate the possibility of him getting on there this year ?
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Posted: 6/13/2014 12:14 PM

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quickCC wrote:
ChoppinBroccoli wrote: Based on everything I've read from the OTAs, it certainly looks at this point like Tyler Patmon is in prime position to steal B.W. Webb's roster spot.  Patmon seems to be tearing it up while Webb is continuing to struggle.  I'm also loving the unanimous praise for Terrell McClain.  If we found a player in McClain, it would be a huge lift for our defense.

Should he need extensive development than expected, would BW Webb be eligible for the practice squad this year ?
Seems like he was active on the roster and played in a few games last year - wouldn't that eliminate the possibility of him getting on there this year ?
I was curious about this so I looked it up.  Practice squad rules say that if 1st or 2nd year player has been on the team roster for less than 6 games they are still PS eligible.  If they were on the team roster but were on the 45 man game day roster less than 9 times they are still PS eligible.  A look at Webb's stats on the team web site shows that he was on the team roster for 15 games, but only has recorded stats (tackles, etc.) for 8 games.  I don't know if he was in other games without recording a tackle, but if he was on the 45 man roster only for the 8 games in which he had stats, then he would still be PS eligible.
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Posted: 6/13/2014 1:48 PM

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Ill wait for the pads to come on before I get too wrapped up in how these guys are doing.
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Posted: 6/13/2014 1:49 PM

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SteveTheCowboy wrote:
ranch10 wrote: I've got to see it in game action from Weeden to ever start believing. In Cleveland, he was awful. Some guys are good players in shorts only.
I think coaches and some media know what they are talking about.

Me being a long time  guitar player, I wouldn't ask you to play a real song- but I would ask you to play a simple scale and I could immediately tell if you were a good musician/guitar player. Not that hard to tell if you know what you are doing or not- even in practice mode of playing a scale.

Agree Sundays can be different, but how about we give him the benefit of the doubt, based on comments by people that know. If it's positive outlook...let's be positive!
Sorry man but that analogy is just way too far off.
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Posted: 6/13/2014 2:17 PM

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AZBOYZFAN wrote: Ill wait for the pads to come on before I get too wrapped up in how these guys are doing.
That's all well and good.  I don't think you'll find any fan anywhere who would be willing to declare ANYTHING about their team based solely on some OTA workouts.  But it's nice to hear that guys are looking good and/or improving.

Let's flip that coin over now, though.  If all you were reading was negative report after negative report talking about how none of the guys seemed to be picking up the schemes or making plays, guys were really struggling, all that stuff, how many of the "I'll wait until the pads come on" people would be willing to take the same "wait and see" approach before declaring this season a total failure?  I mean, we've got a contingent of guys on this board who were willing to give up on Anthony Hitchens after watching ONE video of him playing ONE game in college and NOTHING else.  Why are positive reports met with pragmatism (if not outright skepticism) while negative reports are taken at face value and then used to extrapolate doom?

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